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Sweetnecta:
@Judek2: Let me thank Allah for the opportunity that He has offered both of us in this dialogue. I appreciate you now for your intention to at least read about Muhammad [as]. I will do my best, InshaAllah and I do not claim that I know all, because his life was so complex that Alla used him to overcome all miracles before.

Nice, 
And I advice you to read also about Jesus Christ,without rebelous mind and learn more from his actions and teachings.

For example, he traveled the length of earth to heavens and beyond and return while his sleeping place was still warm from the heat of his body. That will be just few minutes in our time, but when you consider 1 day being 50,000 with Allah, you will see that it is possible, when God Wills to make this possible.

The days and years of Allah had been a big problem to Muslims.
It seems No one is sure,even the Koran.

A day with Allah equals a thousand years of our years. The fifty thousand years mentioned in the other verse is the length of the day of judgment.

http://www.sites.google.com/site/muslimanswers/Home/contradictions/how-long-is-allahs-day

After all, we muslims say Adam and Eve descended from heaven and met up on earth on Mount Arafat in Makka, and you can see that the first House built for worship of God is in Makka [The Kabba of Masjid Haraam].

Only the Koran can prove that.

And you and I agree that Jesus was lifted up by his Lord God to heavens.

His resurrection for my atonement is the only thing that had formed my faith.
We have parted ways since you believe he was lifted up bodily.

Without writing too long, let me use Moses and Jesus to elaborate the value of Muhammad [as] to prove my point above. In your Bible, we read that Yahweh [God] was so furious or unhappy with Moses that God attempted to kill Moses, even though as God had sent him out to deliver message. Note that Moses had not even finished delivering the message of God, then. You will wonder how God of the Bible be waylaying Moses if both are in-sync in purpose and intent?

God was angry with Moses,but not Furious. If God was furious, he would have struck Moses to death immediately without even considering hiding his grave because it may result to some pilgrimage by the Isrealites.

When it comes to Jesus, we notice that at Gethsemane, he prayed all night, prostrating his face, crying, weeping, begging God. EVen all of these, from your Bible God Almighty the Lord of Jesus delivered him to the hands of their mutual enemies to be killed.

Jesus had a human nature. He felt pain, emotions and feared death just as human beings. But, that was his main purpose on earth. His death wasnt by chance,it was his destiny.
Dont make it sound like God was so heartless that he gave his Son to be killed.
And besides,the holy Spirit strenghtened him,and he became strong again.
Jesus was willing, and for that purpose, he was subjective.

You will see that the Bible said that Jesus was killed by his enemies, and not his friends that killed him. Unless the enemies of Jesus that killed him are not friends of the Lord God WHo sent Jesus to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, they must also be enemies of God.

here is a prophesy of David about Jesus.
“Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me,” Psalm 41:9.

Jesus was betrayed by a friend, Judas,.but he was not forgiven because he hung himself.
Jesus forgave those that killed him. So they were not enemies of God. They were not held accountable for their sin.
God cant have an enemy.yes' because he is greater than man,and no one can stand him.

In the case of Muhammad [as], there was no time that God was displeased with him. Let me refer you to Quran to find that out. God declares that 'you have a noble example in this messenger'. This statement alone trumps all what said about all other previous messengers and prophets [as]. Go to your Bible and show me any of them that God did not stop. EVen Abraham, your Bible says that God told him that his desire is different from the desire of God, on his beloved Ishmael.

Why would you be so biased?
Firstly, the Koran says tham the Satan put his words in Mohammads mouth. If he was noble,why cant he differenciate between the voice of an Angel and Satan?

Secondly, the Koran told Mohammad to ask for forgiveness of sins he has done,and which he will still do.
If god was still pleased with his sins, then that god is not righteous.

So if Mohammad had sinned,and god was still pleased with his sins,then you can judge your god.

The bible says that God is too Holy to behold iniquity.

Sweetnecta:
The message is lost on Davidylan. Davidylan did not think deeper with wisdom that Germany is the land of Martin Luther, the father of protestant brand of Christianity.
This is similar to Arabadan ni waju ile Sodeke.


@Judek2; We are told to be moderate and never extreme in our life and definitely never be extreme in religion. Those who are extreme are the ones who are the deviants.

If Mohammad and his successors werent extreme, there would be nothing like Islam today.

But how can you be moderate?

I wait till my turn to die. I will not hasten death for me or for anyone else.

LagosShia:
firstly i dont care what boko haram means.

secondly,when they were explaining in a report why they oppose western education they cited "evolution" and immorality.

They are confused just as you are. The same Mohammadians.

1) Their name is no western education
2) the are revanging the death of their leader.
3) they want to Islamatise Nigeria.
4) they want Sharia law in all the northern states
5) they want Jonathan to repent and convert to Islam.
6) They want Igbos to leave North.

Jesus said, "By their fruits you shall know the false prophets"

you have lied again here.you raised the issue of "palm tree" before and i was the one who corrected you that palm trees dont grow in the middle east.i also told you that the Quran states she delivered under a date palm and not palm tree.

is repeating lies your missionary tactic on nairaland.me i nor dey forget O!!!

Sahih International:
And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree. She said, "Oh, I wish I had died before this and was in oblivion, forgotten."

Pickthall:
And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm-tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died ere this and had become a thing of
naught, forgotten!

Yusuf Ali:
And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree: She cried (in her anguish): "Ah! would that I had
died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!"

Shakir:
And the throes (of childbirth) compelled her to betake herself to the trunk of a palm tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died before this, and had been a thing quite forgotten!

Muhammad Sarwar:
When she started to experience (the pain of) of childbirth labor, by the trunk of a palm tree in sadness she said, "Would that I had died long before and passed into oblivion."

Arberry: And the birthpangs surprised her by the trunk of the palm-tree. She said, 'Would I had died ere this, and become a thing forgotten!'

Now, let me insert @Lagoshias quote.

Lagoshia
And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a date-palm. She said: "Would that I had died before this, and had been forgotten and out of sight!"

[quote author=emöfine link=topic=858960.msg10086447#msg10086447 date=1327994562]Malaysia and Turkey? [/quote]Maybe yes, maybe No ,may be moderate.

2/10 isnt a pass mark

He has no business with Terrorism, if they hear his voice, they can repent but if they dont want to, they can ignore.

But he will keep on strenghtening his followers with words of salvation,peace and love.

He forsaw it and knew its war coming,so he made us prepare for it.
john 16:2 For you will be expelled from the synagogues, and the time is coming when those who kill you will think they are doing a holy service for God.

Isaiah 66:5 Hear the word of the LORD, you who tremble at his word: "Your brothers who hate you, and exclude you because of my name, have said, 'Let the LORD be glorified, that we may see your joy!' Yet they will be put to shame.

LagosShia:
^^^^

firsly i need a christian who knows to tell us.very simple and straightforward.

now,the biafran soldier tht was killed wherever,he did not "die for the sins of americans" for an american to know where the place his "saviour" was killed is.

christians say Jesus (as) was killed for their sins to be washed away.and you dont even know where he was allegedly killed?

anyways,it is not really an issue of whether you know or you dont know.it is very simple here:if you know tell us.if you dont,it ok.

Just shut it and keep mute.

Your question has been answered. You are just beating about the bush.

LagosShia:
where did you see women?

Do those figures in the pic. with head ties look like men?

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LagosShia:
why are you quoting jewish text and interpreting them to mean Jesus (as)? mind you you are doing the same on jewish text as you would freak out when muslims open your eyes to direct you on prophesies in the bible on Muhammad (sa).

The Jewish text of the Old tastaments formed the base for fulfillments in the new tastaments. The old tastaments contains many prophesies of an expected saviour which were fulfilled fully in the new tastaments. Some Jews believed,while some didnt believe so stop this act of Jewish texp copying. The Old tastament is also profitable to Christians.

Jacob too is described in the bible as God's "begotten son"."son of God" is figurative in jewish beliefs and tradition.even in the new testament we are told:

"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God".(Roman 8:14)

see more:

"Can God Have A Son?"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-811919.0.html

Why must you lie to prove your claim?

The word "Begotten" in Greek means "monogenes" which its primary
definitions as "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship."
This is the meaning
attached to its use in Hebrews 11:17 when the writer refers to Isaac as Abraham's "only begotten son." Abraham had more than one son, but Isaac was the only son he had by Sarah and the only son of the covenant.

wrong translation.the word translated as "virgin" is "alma".that word means a "young lady".

In Jewish times, the term Virgin is not widely used.
Any lady reffered to as alma is supposed to be single and still untouched. If any YOUNG LADY had been found pregnant, she would squarely face the Law.
So when attributing the word to Mary, it simply means that she is not yet married and pure, so in English, she is a virgin.

do you know you and i are also the "word of God" turned into flesh?

Lie,and a blantant lie.
We are the products of the Word,not the word its self. Through the word, we were made.
Small time,you will claim that we are the breath of God too.

those verse are all ironically found in the old testament and jews dont believe in Jesus (as) at all.

Funny. Were they found in the old tastaments as just a random ranting by deranged men or a prophesy by Prophets which are meant to be fulfilled?

Christianity is not Judaism. Many Jews are Christians,because the believed the prophesies has been fulfilled. The appostles and many early Christians were Jews,but they dont practise judaism.

i really see no meaning or case in putting them forth.Muslims dont deny Jesus (as) was a prophet.

You deny the Prophesies of him,and denies his divinity. Surely, you have denied the Jesus that existed thousand years in record and accepted Isa which did not exist but was conjoured by a man for some foolish reason.

as for the verse you put forth,are you saying God Almighty eats food? i thought in the bible we are told God is not man?

Lagoshia, pleas stop derailing the discussion. If you are knowledgable enough, please provide me with the person refered to in those verses I provided. If you fail,then you have to keep mute if I provide you with mine.

Those verses are clearly talking about somebody. Its clearly Prophesies by renowned old Prophets,and any religious man must look forward to its fulfillments.
I simply want you to prove to me THE PERSON WHETHER RECORDED IN HISTORY,OR ANY RELIGIOUS BOOKS,OR ANY NOTED TEXT. Who those verses is talking about.

diluminati:
There is no need for Faith, but if you have faith good for you. If it works for you, good for you.
But Reason supersedes Faith. Reason keeps you sane, Reason makes you free and Reason unlocks you from the chains of bondage and mind control.

Faith is the pillar that supports belief.
Without faith, you cant believe in something. And because you have a strong faith,that makes you believe.

In our spiritual life, faith plays a greater role. Reason has no stand,base or justification.
Faith supersedes everything because Faith is the reason why you believe in something.

Your essence of Reason could be voted,if outside spiritual growth. And man desides to live randomly just like lesser Animals.

plaetton:
And lest i forget, in a multicultral and multi-religious society, professing ones's faith is usually the cornerstone     for much hatred, bigotry, divisiveness and conflict. History attests to that, and Nigeria is a modern day example.

"Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven."
Matthew 10:32-33

The ealy Christians and appostles were Percecuted because of their faith. If they hadnt professed,they would have lived normally like other citizens,and enjoy the rights of a citizen. But they strived irrespective of their tribulations.
They denied even themselves for their faith.

"Whoever desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.
35) For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel’s will save it.

36) For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?

37 Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?

38 For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels."
[Mark 8:34-38]

LagosShia:
whenever christians see the truth they turn to arguing on mysterious grounds,spirit and ghost [/b]and oh they even claim to "speak in tongues" what they themselves will not understand.that speaking in tongues na craze be that seriouslay.please,i want to believe what i can understand and not what others deceive or tell me about spiritual infatuations.was Jesus (as) not sent to teach you?why are you still confused?

The issue of the Holy Spirit,which you find laughable is quite hillarious on your side.
Jesus said, [John 4:23]
Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

[b]God is a Spirit,and should be worshiped im Spirit and truth.

The Holy Spirit is a gift from God to the Believers,he is invisible, he cant be seen.
Its just like the wind,which cant be seen,but can be felt.

God does not think like humans do,his ways is spiritual.And for us to understand him,we need the Holy Spirit. It is the mark of God speaking in us.
The Holy Spirit does not dwell in the heart of the arrogant and unrepentant man because he is Holy,but if a man opens his heart to understand God, he comes in and stays and teaches. And he calls every man,but some rejects,and if he rejects,and dies in sin, he has indeed sinned against the holy spirit,and forgiveness cant be unto death. This makes it clearer on the unforgivable sin.

and worse of all,these people claiming spirit,fire and ghost are the worse hypocrites of our time.they claiming all these mysterious things should be angels walking the earth.but we still see that their spirit or ghost is so uneffective as they do very sinful and shameful acts.we have seen so called "born again" and even pastors commit shameful unspirited acts like sleeping with son's wife and ra.ping their daughters.

Do not judge,so thou shalt not be judged. Do not condemn,so thou shalt not be condemned

if the holy spirit has a gun,it will surely shoot every christian that lies about it to claim it falsely.

The Holy Spirit does not kill, any body claiming him falsely is doing it on his own.
BY THEIR FRUITS,YOU SHALL KNOW THEM.

plaetton:
It has been my understanding that faith rooted in understanding does not need to be proffessed. It does not need any sort of external validity.
Knowledge based faith is usually  humble, quite and even slient. That is where it draws its strenght.

The need for professing ones faith is mainly centered on its spiritual impact on the person.
A strong faith does not need to be silent,yes humbleness and gentleness is needed. But it wont be silent.
Out Of The Abundance of The Heart Speakest The Mouth.
A silent Faith doesnt make much impression.
Professing of faith needs sincerety and truth, and attracts a deep question to the person "Do you realy beleive with all your heart in what you are professing?" The answer then lyes within you.

The heart of man is tricky and devious. Professed faith is usaully a cover for either  ignorance, fear and confusion or impurities of the heart and mind.   or a combination of all.
Professed faith, in my observation ,is a lack of the very faith being proffessed. For example, if you build a temple of god in your heart, you do not need to jump from one church to another seeking god, blessings and miracles. If every christian builds a temple of christ in their hearts, their would be no need for 20,000 churches in the city of lagos alone.
People have to profess their faith outweardly because they are deeply afraid to look inwardlly at their hearts. 
Proffessed faith is inversely proportional to knowledge -based faith.

That depends on the person professing it.
I think professing of faith attributes to declearation of faith.
An unprofessed faith could be biased.
Faith decleared openly is undoubtably a sure faith,that is meant to tell people what you believe,and in turn attracts questions,making you a teacher which can make a great impact on the audience and thus strenghtening your faith.

Abundance of proffesed faith is therefore an accurate baromer of spiritual degeneration and confusion.

Let me tell you one reason why faith should be professed.

Either professed individually or together, it is just a good way to learn theology. Our professions usually state the fundamentals of Christian belief in very frank, straight- orward way that is easy to understand and easy to learn. This is beneficial training for everyone, whether you are a non-Christian trying to learn more about the faith or whether you are believing and following Jesus.
We all need to be shaped in our theology, and professing our faith together is one means of accomplishing that goal.

Ruqaya:
I got my answer.
The bible(at-taorah) contains d word of ALLAH given 2 prophet isa(jesus) to guide and assist him in delivering his mssg 2 d israelite, but has now undergone alteration.
Therefore, it's no more GOD's word but mans.
Thanks 2 all dat contributed positively and negatively.

You should first of all go and search for the validation of your koran. How Mohammad praglarised many ancient fake and fairly tales to make the Koran. And also how he copied and summarised Biblical stories of the Bible's old tastaments and twisted some to suit his fore father Ismael.

You find out how Uthman Dan Fodio burned so many verses of the Koran and established his own as the best,then you can get back and claim rational.

A simple explanation, the Old tastaments existed during the time of Jesus, the new tastamemts were written by four different writers who were inspired to write about the life of,and ministries of Jesus.
Its not like a vague and deluded claim of a Book falling from the sky,or was it dictated by Gabriel to Mohammad,who in turn dictated them to the writers.
Only an ignorant god can provide an ignorant book like Koran,which goes against everything an enlightened person ever believed. I will call it a 7st century fallacy.

Ruqaya:
@jude, maybe english language was not included in my sec sch time table, at least physics was there and newton's third law of motion states that"for every action, there must always be an equal or opposite reaction". U reacted in d opposite manner by saying ma question is dumb n u expected me to pat u on d head?

Did you study the Physics in Arabic?

Anyway,your question is quite dumb. And your reaction proves its dumbness.
Wont it be better if you had reacted positively.

Just a simple answer will give you the answer to your question,a negative answer will get me explain,and a positive answer will satisfy your doubts.

where is ur SOCRATIC METHOD?

I will accept you studied Physics in Arabic, so I apologise

LagosShia:
which women are you talking about?

the picture in the OP is not of women.hope your eye sight is okay.

The women,I'm more concerned about.
They look so finished like one bearing the boarding of a third or fourth wife of an Islamic morole,under severe beating.

Thats if I believe they are Igbos still, they may not have gotten much chance though.

LagosShia:
I beg i dont need all the useless rantings in this thread.

just tell me where is the place located.

Judek did not give an exact location.

Come on Lagoshia, go get a ticket for two, get enough cash.
I dont even know the land Jerusalem,you do cos its among your holiest cities.
We can go together at your lead,its quite simple. With the map and the Local name, surely the townspeople will direct us to the "exact location". It will be quite a tour. I want to go to Jerusalem too

Your question is just like an American man asking another American man the "exact location" of (Ogburuafor). A local name for the place where a Biafran souldier was killed,even when provided with the map of Nigeria with a point to the East. Is it not left for the American man to follow the lead and comfirm?

Sweetnecta:
@Judek2:^^First his life before Islam. He is head and shoulders above all. In Islam he bettered himself. He shines as a star even now. No one who have walked this earth equals his dedication to God and or his commitment to the ultimate success of mankind.

And how can you prove that? His so-called success of mankind is only affirmed by Muslims.
And why are you so deluded to claim that, when his actions towards his odds during his time was so unspeakable.
He was a nobody before he met Khadija, so,the woman actually made him achieve anything he achieved.

His life in Islam; his obedience to God.
His kindness to all. His resolve as he walked the path laid out to him by his Lord.
He encouraged all to be on that path and not deviate from it. Indeed he was a means of mercy and forgiveness for all.

If you know what is forgiveness and mercy, you will agree with me that Mohammad was just opposite. He ordered the execution of many people. Any one who mockes him never goes free and got hatered for the Jews and Christians.So,they are all marks of his mercies and forgiveness.

He broke the ethnic and other artificial barriers to reach God; what he left is what God commanded; Piety and God consciousness.

By spreading his religion with sword and pretence was Gods commandment? I once read a comment by a Muslim boasting that a non-muslim wont enter heaven cos if, Mohammad wouldnt have fought so much to extablish Islam.
So tell me,what did Mohammad say about Jews and Christians?

He was a medium between harshness and meekness. There was nothing fake about him and reaching goal of success with God by those who follow Muhammad [as] is not a fairy tale.

It seems you dont know what is harsness?
Irrespective of his actions, his order has twerted any believe in meekness,Let them find harshness in you.
Give me a verse that says "no compulsion in religion" and I will provide you with verses that twarted it,even outside self defense.

We do not have just an eye for an eye or just give them your other cheek. We have through Muhammad [as a balance between; if you want to retaliate, it should be equal not greater. if you wish to forgive, do it for the pleasure of God instead of being a mumu by offering the other eye so that you become a totally blind man.

The issue of turning the other cheek is in a simple sense. Do not retaliate,thereby paying evil with evil.
This is to show how peaceful Jesus was to ensure peace even when you are offended.
When Jesus and the appostles were persecuted,they never retaliated.

By paying hatered with hatered,where is the forgiveness and love?

It his lifestyle in love that i am trying to copy with my spouse. I do my own cooking. I cook for her. i never asked her what she does with her money. I do not allow her to contribute anything except her love from the heart for the sake of God.

I appreciate that.
But you are not realy imitating him.
Infact,you are obeying words in the Bible."So aught men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself
Actually he ordered you to beat your wives. You may argue that its disobedent ones,but no matter whats the case,its not love.

Muhammad [as] in death is alike in the hearts of believers; there is no fighting that has no rule of engagement.

His death sounds rather shameful.

Maybe you need to tell me what aspect of his life that you wish to talk about and i will devote my time telling it to you.

All aspects of his life. Preach to me how through Mohammads actions,i'm sure to live a righeous life and assured of Heaven.
Can someone who strictly followed Mohammad's life and actions make Heaven? You have just suceeded in giving so many comments which did not prove anything.
You simply made so many claims without any fact.

proo212:
Bashy Demy

I will say it again, the children of Israel were already looking forward to the coming of the "Messiah" and this is evident in the same verses of John 1:19-to the end you often quote to deny the deity of Jesus Christ. When the Messiah came, the works He did was evident for people to begin to ask who He was. HE DID NOT NEED TO MAKE PEOPLE BELIEVE HE WAS A PROPHET. It was evident in His works. This was the reason they asked the questions in the quote above. If you did not read it, I posted it again for you.

Fulfilling the prophesy of Isaiah.
[Isaiah 42:2] He will not shout, nor raise his voice, nor cause it to be heard in the street.
Isaiah 42:3 A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out. In faithfulness he will bring forth justice;

frosbel:
He will soon start banging on his blackberry out of anger

LagosShia:
i thought he butchered them? or he no longer did?

the truth (Muhammad s.a.) is indeed a puzzle to the disbelievers.we dont know whic of thier false claims to listen to anymore!!!
believe me i dont even know what you are saying.have you started "speaking in tongues" on nairaland to confuse and deceive people?
they finally were called "christians" and not "jews".
vaticinium ex eventu
another redherring already discussed:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-835683.64.html#msg9928944

and do you know that your god (not any man or prophet) rode a cherub and also had smoke coming from his nostrils:

2 SAMUEL 22:11
And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind.
https://www.wallpaperez.net/wallpaper/movie/m/Harry-Potter-the-Order-Phoenix-flying-on-broom-456.jpg


2 SAMUEL 22:9
There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.

https://twistedsifter.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/fire-eater-spitting-fire-out-of-mouth.jpgits not like he did and i dont believe.the fact is he didn't.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-735489.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-739850.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-851721.64.html#msg10045668

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-844081.0.html

Prophesy fulfilled

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=858960.msg10085969#msg10085969 date=1327987396]@OP what your point here, who was the cause of there problem in those countries you mention up there? Those countries have been in happiness for zillion years till most of those western countries you mention turn them to there, Well you forget to mention some countries like,

UAE
MALAYSIA
SAUDI ARABIA
TURKEY
KUWAIT
QATAR
OMAN
IRAN
to mention few[/quote]These countries you listed diffines terror not sadness.

@OP,You forgot to mention Muslims in the South-East . They are realy enjoying freedom and happiness.

DO YOU BELIEVE?

In one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth of all that is seen and unseen?

DO YOU BELIEVE?
In one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father. Through Him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation, He came down from heaven; by the power of the Holy Spirit He was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man.

For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate; He suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day He rose in fulfillment of the Scriptures;

He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.

Do You believe?

In the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son He is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets of Old and bears witness of the Father and Son.

MODERATORS SHOULD DELETE THIS THREAD, IT APPEARED DOUBLE.

If any Muslim can tell me who this old prophesies were talking about,then they can prove that Jesus is not God. Or maybe say that Christians has fabricated and corrupted the old tastaments, Or that the Prophets were under dellusion.

[psalm 2:7,12] I will declare a decree: the LORD said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

12) Kiss the Son, lest he be angry,and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little.Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

[Isaiah 7:14]Therefore the Lord shall give you a sign;Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son,and shall call his name IMMANUEL.


IMMANUEL means GOD WITH US.
And vs 15,speaks for those who accuse that God cannot eat. .[15] Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil and choose the good.
Because he was born "According to the flesh",to dwell with his people on earth. He must exhibit some human nature.
Remember,God is Spirit,but the Gospel told us that "THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH,AND DWELTH AMONG US". So anybody who argues that Jesus as God wont exhibit human nature is just being foolish.

[Isaiah 40:3] The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the wilderness a highway for our GOD.

[Psalm 110:1] The LORD said to my Lord, sit thou at my right hand untill I make thy enemies thy footstool.
(4) The LORD at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

[psalm 45:6,7] Thy Throne O God, is forever and ever: the skepter of thy kingdom is a right scepter.
(7) Thou lovest righteousness,and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God hath hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Those that keeps silent are those who are afraid to die, or are not capable of fighting.
Or maybe educated to know that the promise of virgins (even a virgin) in a heaven is a blatant lie and mare stu.pidity,that only a foolish man will believe and risk his life for

But they cant be called true Muslims

LagosShia:
you are an unrepetant liar who is so blind and arrogant to accuse me of lying against the bible of all books,when the internal evidence in the bible is so overwhelming to make even a fool realize that the book is not consistency and truthful.

matthew 7:5
first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Do you know the meaning of boko Haram? Guess you do. It means Western Education is prohibited.
Why? Because western education, science and co. exposes the fallacies in the Koran. It makes the koran sound so foolish and emberrasing to an educated man. Maybe they want to continue with the uncivilised 7th century age when Mohammad was so illiterate that he spews nonsence and filled the koran.

@Sweetnecta, that is your cover story? Enough sahd. Do you know that many educated scholers has tried so much to cover that s.hit,but what is written,is written. This is 21st century and not an ancient age.
It sounds so embarrasing isnt it? Well its not only to you,but to other so called Islamic scholers. Its even so embarrasing to read that Mary gave birth beside a PALM TREE,without knowing that palm trees does not grow in the Middle East,even if, not in existence during the time of Jesus. Lagoshia full of hallucinations said its actually a PALM DATE or DATE PALM or whatever. Isnt that so embarassing?
Trying to cover some nonsence only makes it appear more and more silly and embarrasing. So quit the ranting.

DELUDED HUMAN BEING.

Why cant you get a life and stop spamming religion section.

1 timothy 4;3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

You can believe whatever you wish. The Bible does not claim to have fell from the sky as the Koran claims.
God uses men to manifest himself. So dont get excited because the Bible is inspired by God to be written by men and they wrote many old stories aimed at educate people. Those stories are not meant to be practiced literaly but to teach moral lessons and other aspects.

So, if they werent inspired,the stories means nothing.

I'm not interested in all your distorted posts. ,I'm only interested on the topic. And this

Muhammad [as]. And he is the one am trying to emulate.

So,as a Muslim preaching to a non muslim, tell me aspects of his life which one should emulate,in order to live a righeous life, and proberbly the ones I should neglet

Kay 17:
Both the bible and the quran are both is masterpieces of lies, outdated morality and primitive lifestyle. LagosShia whenever you attack the bible, don't you see the same flaws you find in bible in yours?

The idea that a book is the only source of revelation from god is absurd. And you can't guarantee the authenticity of the books

  makes sense to me.

Bitterness makes a man ugly.
Evil makes a man terrible.
Illusions of Lagoshia could be attributed to Falseness.

LagosShia:
my dear friend,whether they were changed or not is not the issue here.the issue is christians believe those laws are found in the bible which to them is the "inspired word of God".therefore regardless whether your god changes his mind or not,those laws are from him and the religion will be held accountable for them.

NO!! Say the Jews. Even the Jews who keeps the old law wont spew like that man.

Now lets see the Prophesy Of ISAIAH.


(4) He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

6) I the LORD have called thee in righeousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people,for a light of the Gentiles.

(9) Behold,the former things are come to pass,and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

(21) The lord is well-pleased for his righeousness' sake; he will magnify the law ,and make it honorable.