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On October 30, 2008, the United Nations condemned the stoning to death of Aisha Duhulowa, a 13-year-old girl who had been gang- violated and then sentenced to death by a Sharia court for fornication (Zina). She was screaming and begging for mercy, but when some family
members attempted to intervene, shots were fired by the Islamic militia and a baby was killed.
This is just one of many cases. Other cases requires the victim must mary the raper or remain in
prison.

In sharia law,
(a) The accused makes
confession, or

(b) There are at least four Muslim adult male witnesses."[11]

(C) "Punishment will take place when Zina or violation have been proved by witness."[12]

(D) Sharia Law rejects the witness of women in Hudood cases.[13]

(E) "The evidence of women is originally inadmissible on account of their weakness of understanding, want of memory and incapacity of governing."

Even DNA is not accepted in Sharia court. In other words, the r.apist only has to deny the act and go free.

Sweetnecta:
^^ Joseph was worshiped by his father since prostrating of face is an act of worship; the Onishongo of Yoruba land does this to his/her shango.

So Jesus was worshiped with people less credible than those who worshiped Joseph. If this proves Jesus to be God then Joseph was a greater God. Those who worshiped Jesus as you said were people of little faith, just like the Yoruba shango Worshipers.

Your annalyzation is very poor. Try and improve.
In the whole Bible,no Prophet of God was ever worshiped except God,and Jesus in the new tastaments. So deal with it.

Where do we find Allah sanctioning the killing of those who did not attend Jumu'a, and Ellah of Jesus or Yahweh of Moses did not do the same to those who did not pray on Sabbath day?

Its in your unauthentic Hadiths. Infact, Mohammad did it himself. I wrote Allah cos they go hand in hand.

Why are you trying to use the Bible as a cover? Just quit it.

Nigerian youth bleep young nigerian woman. I am certain all of them are christians.

An Igbo adage says,"Ahia onye ma anya ya ka o na-azu."
You seems to know much about that,and yeah. expecially in your area,maybe you are their watch Dog.

Please,Stop posting those rants and making christians or Bible victims ,its emberassing you.

What punishment or honoring befits them since they did evil? It takes two to tango and se.x is a form of tango. If the woman says no so much so that she yelled, her action says that she was not a willing party. Should she be punished? Lets look at what the Quran says instead of what the ignorant muslims did to punish her over her ordeal. Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek them from your property, desiring chastity, "not fornication". So with those among them whom you have enjoyed, give them their required due, but if you agree mutually after the requirement (has been determined), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise. The punishment is similar to your claiming that Jesus is more than what he is because Jesus will reject this and throw it back at you. The whole christendom is in Injustice like the muslims who performed injustice.

Cant you conclude your rantings without including Jesus or Bible to it?

Your post doesnt defend anything,expecially a violated girl. Your koranic verse means nothing.

Tell me what your Sharia law says to prove a violated girl or woman innocent.
I have provided it,and it is widely practiced in Islam, and you are here beating about the bush.

Sweetnecta:
@Judek2; « #63 on: Today at 03:00:08 AM »And when the christians can't escape it, they fondly remember that Jesus was a person, so much a person that even he was filled with holy spirit [sorry; ghost], the same full of the holy ghost that John as a fetus in his mother's womb was full of. Does it not make John also God if this was a sign of God in the life of Jesus?

Sometimes I wonder if you think before posting. Who gives the holy Spirit?
Did John promise anybody of the Holyspirit? Remember his words,I baptise you with water,but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, he shall baptize you with Holy Ghost,and with fire
Only God can give the holy spirit,and John recognised that.

I and my wife are one. But certainly I am not a woman and she aint to man. I know it. She knows it. It is a fallacy to believe that there is no boss in that relationship. Is Jesus the boss of Jehovah or is it Jehovah Who Lords over Jesus?

I never knew Mohammadians recognise oneness in marriage
You should have said,"I and my Wives are one"
Anyway, dont bring marriage into it cos it doesnt fit in the spiritual aspect of it.

You could fool yourself, but not me. Satan asked Jesus to act so that it can be proven that Jesus will be protected by God. Jesus answered, saying in effect that if he were to do as satan asked, he Jesus will be tempting God. Thats what that verse is saying because you did not have the gut and conviction to present it as a proof that jesus is anything more than a human prophet, if he was more than human prophet, the lagosshia challenge would have been answered by now.

I'm happy you grabbed that one realy fast.
My motive of that verse is to show you who is being tempted,in link with the Son of God,and how he dealt with it.
Jesus had no intension of tempting God.

[/quote]Dont be blind to see, JESUS = GOD = HOLY SPIRIT.This is from the 10 commandment you darn cross worshiper. whats silly about reality of your religious life?

The ten Commandments which says One God. So tell me how you will differenciate the Spirit of God mentioned in Genesis from God?

You know more about paganism than anyone. So I will ignore the bold.

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if this is so that is the benefit of Another Comforter and even less Acts of apostles, the epistles, revelations, Paul?

So you have no answer?

Your question is silly,so dont expect any answer for it.

Prove the bold? Did Jesus say "I finished what you sent me" at the dinner table?

hallucinations has filled your head. Just prove it yourself if you are truthful.

Nothing called Mohammadians you head screwed on wrongly person.

I address you as a Mohammadian. And so I does to every muslim. So dont try to correct me.

Did Elijah come after Elijah? Lets have Jesus and the greatest prophet of the children of Israel, John argue it out. Who is correct between the two?

Jesus and John are arguing who was Elijah in their time.

I knew you're gonna spit that out. . It was a Prophesy,and it was fulfiled.So I required you in your own thought to give me the name of the person talked about.If you do sincerely,I will explain it to you.

I guess you read minds.WHat was Jesus thinking about when he said John was Elijah and John disagreed? Who was right? By the way Paul was not Jesus so I dont know what you are talking about hatred of jesus will automatically lead to hating Paul.

That is why I said that Prophesies are foolproof. the foolish Jews were still waiting for Elijah maybe to come from the dead.
Jesus explained the prophesy to them,that Elijah has come and they killed him. John himself knew that he was not Elijah.
ELIJAH mentioned simply means spiritual connections,he was going to come in the spirit of Elijah the prophet to them, not in the person of Elijah. You and those Jews are just the same.

Paul never met Jesus, while peter was the Rock of jesus. Yet it was Paul that controlled the movement of Peter and the rest of those who followed Jesus for 3 years. How does that make sense to you?

Just as Paul was the heir persecutor of early Christians,but God made him the heir apostle of the Gospel. With the zeal he used to persecute,the same zeal he used for preaching.
He neve knew Jesus,nor the Gospel.Yet he wrote so much about him. Thats the work of God.

What Jesus didnt eat now Peter and Paul are eating.
[quote]And how did you know what he ate,and what he didnt?
Its obvious,Peters revelation changed that.

[quote]And the Another Comforter shall hear and speak. How is a non speaking ghost the another comforter?

You are indeed very hallucinative.
Are you trying to make him suit your own comforter?

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ShiaMuslim:
1.) sensational story meant to attract pity
2.) should we also blame the Prophet (sa) for not knowing the exact day the month of Ramadan begins every year? we know we should starts fasting when we see the crescent commencing the new month and stop when its appears signalling the last month.so based on the lunar calendar and calculations,we could as well say it is confusing and the Prophet (sa) did not teach us when the month begins.that is not only absurd it is stu.pid.
3.) not everything that appears in the hadiths is authentic as only the Quran is 100% authentic.
4.) the Quran was revealed within the last 10 nights of the month of Ramadan.so if the Prophet (sa) gives us dates by which we should expect the signs of Allah,then everything rests with Allah's will.dates are given when Muslims should make recommeded acts of worship and when to expect the night of qadr.these are nights blessed.of significance are the 21st,23rd and 27th.the last 10 nights hold alot of blessings in observing them.


finally,i am calling on the muslims in the Islam section to limit the spamming of the board by the non-muslims.they have obviously given up in the religion section because of the battle of posts and words that raged there.now,they have a new tactic.they are throwing the ball into our court and not posting the trash in their section to avoid the endless battles and debates which only expose christianity.

In other words, the Hadiths is not authentic.

Whenever I see those fake teeth of @Lagoshia,I feel faked to use it, and I feel closing and wraping it is better.

Eben 2:
The fact that Jesus could save someone (a terrible sinner) like me is more than enough prove that he lives. the fact that i can call upon Him when in sickness and He heals me is more than enough. I dont need a story, i know He lives. In fact, He lives in me!

You have said it all.

One does not need a proof to believe that Jesus is alive. He lives indeed,
Any story to prove to anybody,to me is irrelivant and unneeded, one believes with his heart, and confesses with his tongue.

Proberbly Tbaba is argueing that Jesus is dead in opposite to the topic.

This girl is realy funny,

Firstly,your poorly presented question is not even worthy of response.

Ruqaya:
Answer pls. Whose word is it? Mattew? sam? john?

I just managed to respond,

Silly and dumb question.

Do they write about themselves to prove their words or about someone to prove his words?

and you gave me this

Ruqaya:
@jude, it's surely a dumb nd silly post 2 a dumb nd silly person.
Help ooooo, i only asked a question nd u're raving nd ranting nonsense, a human should pls answer my question.

My response to your question,if you can answer has answered your poor question.

This is nothing I will waste my precious time on.

proo212:
For the sake of argument lest you think I am convinced by your rebuttal, if these is so much uncertainty, (which is true, which is not true)(what do sunnis believe, what do shias believe) how does a muslim grow in the faith? The only way i can think of is to listen to the Imams and scholars and not read the hadiths since they are "authentic but not reliable" (can you see how that sounds?).

You know what happens when you base your faith in the hands of mullah and imams? Whatever the imams say you do. Go and kill, no problem. Jihad is needed no problem, America is the enemy of Islam (protest on the streets, they have drawn a cartoon about our prophet, protest on the streets. Women should not buy cucumber or banana because they might think bad things

There is no consistency in quran. The first time I heard about hadith is when i came to this forum and i was told you need it to interpret the quran. Now I hear they are authentic but not reliable,

What to do?

I wonder o.

The President Did
Not Eaten Since Morning -
Patience Jonathan

Alchohol at work.

Ruqaya:
Answer pls. Whose word is it? Mattew? sam? john?

Silly and dumb question.

Do they write about themselves to prove their words or about someone to prove his words?

labi90:
Im just new in this fora. i have no excuse than to contibute the discussion here. Can anyone tell me where its stated in the bible that Jesus is on the right side of God, who saw him and how did God look because whoever saw Jesus on the right side of God will eventually saw God because for the person to identify the left or right og God. With my knowledge, no human being has ever seen God. Pls can frosbel provide the answer.

The Prophets saw him,when the are in spirit,and thus prophesies.
This is what David said:

[Psalm 110:1 Of David. A psalm.]

The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your
feet."

Psalm 110:
The Lord hath sworn and shall not repent,Thou art a priest for ever,after the order of Melchizedek.
5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of wrath

The whole chapter is dedicated to Jesus.

LagosShia:
is that how bitter you are and how much the truth hurts? sorry!

at least whether i'd be with who i believe in,in paradise or hell,i am happy at my fate.at least he will not deny me.i know what i believe is what he taught and both of us are in the same boat.

My Jesus promised me Heaven.

Jhn 14:2[b]There are many rooms in my Father's house. If there were not, I wouldnt have told you so. And I am going thence to prepare a place for you?
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.[/b]

Your Prophet even though he is has no authority but subject to hell, assured you of hell,and you cant escape it

but as for you,the man you have made into a "god" and have being worshipping said he will deny you and your likes.

Matthew 7:22
"Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'

Gal. 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Like a certain man who was called Bar-Jesus whom Peter rebuked, and those that calls his name just in mouth,but their hearts is far from him. They use the evil spirit to perform,but uses Jesus name as a cover.
So, use your tongue to count your teeth

ivoice247:
i didn't misplace david with joseph.

Your involvement of Joseph on that verse has twerted its original motive as no how was Joseph been addressed in that verse.

If you believe the bk of ACT "according to the flesh"; - this means joseph (descendant of David) impregnated virgin Mary to give rise to  jesus(as) which clearly contradicts the bk of matthew that states jesus(as) had already been raised by the holy spirit before the coming together of joseph and virgin Mary

You clearly misinterpreted the word "RAISED", The holy Spirit did not raise Jesus. The verse says [Matt 1:18 cut], , before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost

A simpe NIV or NLF translation wouldnt have confused you so much.
[Act 2:30] Therefore being a Prophet and knowing that God had promised him on oath that he would set one of his descendants on his throne.

The KJV realy cracked your brain,Ofcorse it would cos its of ancient and old English,so some difficult words.

[Acts 2:30]
(A)Therefore being a Prophet -David was a prophet or a Seer,he prophesies/sees the future.

(B)and knowing that God has sworn with an oath to him.- see [Ps.132:11 cut] The Lord hath sworn in truth unto David

(C) That of the [fruit] of his [loins],-see [Ps 132:11 cut], Of the fruit of thy body

FRUIT here simply means an issue,or a child,or son
LOINS simply implies to Descendants.

Therefore- 'that of one of his descendants.'

(d) according to the flesh -
The apostle Paul, moreover, in the epistle to the Galatians manifestly says: God sent his son, made of a woman.

And again in that to the Romans he says: Concerning his son, who was made of the seed of David according to the flesh, who was predestinated as the son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord.

JESUS ACCORDING TO THE FLESH IS FROM MARY, AND THE SON OF GOD BY THE VIRGIN BIRTH.

(E) He will raise up Christ to sit on his throne-
'raise' here simply means to ressurect, and not to give birth as you interpreted it.

Jesus ressurected and so he sits on his heavenly throne forever,fullfuling David's prophesy.
My God said to my LORD,sit thou upon thy throne and I shall make thy enemies thy footstool.

As for who asked me to show him the throne of Jesus,.
Jesus said,My throne is not of this world he will leave the world and sit on his throne in Heaven forever.
Thy throne O God,shall be a skepter for righteousness for ever and ever

NOTE:some random quotes.

So in compiling my explanations from A - D, I say,

David was a seer,and knowing that God had sworn in truth to him.
That of one of his descendants,from Mary,Will he ressurect to sit on his throne.

Sweetnecta:
What does this act do to the act of adultery, except to say there is no punishment for it? Is that not destroying the laws and the prophets?

Adultery is sin,and punnishable by law, but, Jesus has no business with the peoples law. If any had stoned her,Jesus wont react, but he let their conscience judge them.
If the woman do it again,Jesus may not be there to save her,but certainly not maybe a second time, so the law can take corse.
Now,Jesus has succeeded in this two things,
1) the adultrer need to repent,so as not to face the law.
2) Punnishments by the law,but not so severe because the law makers also are sinners,but may not caught or use their affluence to cover it up. He only gave them an insight to be humane in their laws.

What if it was a rape?

Look at what Muhammad [as] did in the same situation: 4 witnesses who actually saw the private parts/organs in contact and they have to swear 3 times each that they were telling the truth. then swear 1 time each that if they lie against the accused, the anger of God be upon them. then the accused will be the last and most important witness on earth for or against him or herself; the accused will swear 3 times that he/she did not commit the illegal sex that the witnesses did not see what they said that they saw. then he/she will swear 1 time that if he/she lied about what he/she was accused of the wrath of God is upon him/her. If the accused does this, he/she is free to go unpunished leaving the Decision to God. The people who accused him/her are to left in the state of humiliation as if they were liars and no one will accept their evidence, ever. you see how comprehensive is the action of the another comforter; cautioning everyone from accusing anyone and at the same time creating an avenue of mercy because people will fear accusing others because the accuser may be humiliated even if its true as long as the accused can swear against him/herself. all of these allows justice to be done, still where a person who is not married get whipped while the married get stoned.

Save your long sermon,I dont need it.
I know much about rape in sharia law.

On October 30, 2008, the United Nations condemned the stoning to death of Aisha Duhulowa, a 13-year-old girl who had been gang- raped and then sentenced to death by a Sharia court for fornication (Zina). She was screaming and begging for mercy, but when some family members attempted to intervene, shots were fired by the Islamic militia and a baby was killed.
This is just one of many cases.
Other cases requires the victim must mary the raper or remain in prison.

In sharia law,
(a) The accused makes confession, or
(b) There are at least four Muslim adult male witnesses."[11]
(C) "Punishment will take place when Zina or rape have been proved by witness."[12]
(D) Sharia Law rejects
the witness of women in Hudood cases.[13]
(E) "The evidence of women is originally inadmissible on account of their weakness of understanding, want of memory and incapacity of governing."

A Witness is one who saw the crime and so testifies it is true,
The victim has to provide four male witnesses,who will be revealed to her in order to prove that she was raped.

Insanity of sharia law, in order words,the raper only has to deny the act and go free.

How did Jesus become lord here when you cant even tell us where in the Bible he says I am your Lord or your God, instead he said "Oh Israel, your Lord and my Lord is but One God"?

speaking and repeating oneself to a deaf man makes one a mad man. My previous post will help you

Surah Jumu'a; God says to Muhammad [as] tell the people to hurry up to the Friday Prayer and after it go back to their lives and continue to live it. This is the best of improvement.

He also sanctioned killing of those that didnt go for prayers.

If Jesus warned people not to abolish the laws and the prophets, what do you think is the state of the bible reader person who abolish what Jesus said not to abolish? What is the level of honesty of the person who says Jesus was under the laws and the prophets especially the 10 Commandments of Moses, since Jesus did not change a single one of the 10, never claimed he was God or made a graven image, etc, or even ate pork?

In the history of all the Biblical Prophets, nobody was worshiped by the people except Jesus.
If he was just a Prophet, he would have condemned all those that worships him,and by so. But he was clear. Even the Angels of God worships him,in Davids prophesy.

Sweetnecta:
@Judek2: How did he fulfill and set fully the first commandment that God is 1, unseen when you christians take Jesus, a physically seen man as God, even Trinity; Jesus, Ghost and Yahweh?

THE HOLY SPIRIT

Luke 4:1[b]And Jesus being full of the HOLY GHOST returned from Jordan,and was let by THE SPIRIT into the wilderness[/b]
see Gen 1:2. and THE SPIRIT of God moved upon the face of the waters

2)JESUS IS GOD

John 10:30 I and MY FATHER are ONE

3)JESUS CALLS HIMSELF GOD.
LUKE 14:12 And Jesus answering said, Thou shalt not tempt THE LORD THY GOD

Dont be blind to see, JESUS = GOD = HOLY SPIRIT.

Didnt Jesus say,God is SPIRIT

So tell me how you will work the no graven image to agree with the cross?

I will IGNORE silly questions.

if this is so that is the benefit of Another Comforter and even less Acts of apostles, the epistles, revelations, Paul?

He said I finished all that you send me to do at the dinner table, long before the alleged cross. It is finished on the cross is irrelevant to what God sent him to do, there for.

Although you claim that you dont drink alchohol,the bolded seems to be written under the influence of alchohol.

please keep in mind that Isiah never mentioned the word "Jesus", hence the read into it what you are reading into it is your own making and there is no evidence.

Mohammadians know nothing about Prophesy. X
But to educate you a little,can you tell me who this verse was prophesying about

MALACHI:4:5
Behold, I will send you Elijah,the Prophet before the comming of the dreadful day of the LORD

If you can answer this,I shall then answer your question.

Show me the name Jesus here or do you think this does not better fit the another comforter who is the one that completed everything? Lets think about it.

answer the above question , then we shall think about it.
You dont need a long comment, but just a name.

But Paul abolished it? What do you thin about that now that you can eat pork?

Why mentioning Paul? Mohammad would have included him as one of his prophets,if not for his hatred for Jesus Christ.

Actually,Paul didnt abolish it,he simply upheld Gods message to Peter.
Acts 10:12-15
12)Wherein there were all manner of four-footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things,and fowls of the air.
13) and there came a voice to him, Rise Peter,kill and eat
14) but Peter said, Not so Lord; For I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15) And the Voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou Common.

And no evidence that Isiah was talking about Jesus here. Check it out. I want his name in black and white.

Poor Mohammadian, Prophesies does not require names or points and says, that is him. It is based on attributes and what people see and talk him that makes them a clear evidence of the prophecy.
A Prophesy cannot say, "I prophesy that a man called Jesus will be born by a Woman called Mary and his father will be Joseph,who will be a carpenter,"
By so, it is not a Prophesy,
Prophesy is based on Foolproof. The fools will see it manifest,yet doubt,
but the humble will see,and believe fully in his heart that it is true.

But you said Jesus didnt have any sin, why didnt he cast the lone stone to demonstrate this?

Again,alchohol at work here.
1) he was not under the law,
2)How came to save sinners and not to condemn them.
3) by being sinless,he sets an example for sinners.
Any odd action would have disqualified him of being the "savior" or "Mesaiah"

You and Lagoshia just thinks like what Mohammad called women.
You know it dont you?

LagosShia:
this is the time of MUHAMMAD (sa),the Comforter who shall abide with us forever according to Jesus (as) .

You once claimed that "the Spirit of truth was Mohammad" then due so much pressure (by me,and co ) that mohammad was neither a spirit,nor did he abide forever because he has died,
you claimed it is "the Koran." and now,it is Mohammad again.
you are such an entertainer

the Quran which contains prophecies,miracles,news of the unseen past and future and knowledge is the living proof that breaths.

What and what? Past,unseen and future.
Dont give that "Sea of Fire o"

all the past ones are buried in their graves with their prophecies.[/b]may God's peace and blessings be upon them.

This your prayer sef,what peace and blessings again are you asking God for saints?
Anyway, Amen.

but their prophesies were fulfilled,
they were not burried with them, cos it prove it to be just a vain speech,or ranting.

[/quote][quote author=LagosShia link=topic=852856.msg10030042#msg10030042 date=1327333200][b]Jesus:

“He shall speak to people while still in the cradle, and in manhood, and he shall be from the righteous.” (Quran 3:46)

“I am indeed a servant of God. He has given me the Book and made me a Prophet, and He has made me blessed wherever I may be. And He has enjoined upon me prayers, and to pay the alms, as long as I live and (He has made me) kind to my mother, and He has not made me insolent, unblessed. And may Peace be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and on the Day I shall be raised to life.” (Quran 19:30-33)

I once thought that it was Jesus speaking from Mary's womb, I later understood that the voice was actually from under the PALM TREE. This verse still dey crack my Jaw .
You can prove me wrong on where the voice was from,and my "PALM TREE" quote

2) Did Jesus die?
according to your Koran and many comments, he was taken by Allah alive,while they were plotting to kill him.
So the prophesy is false.

Now,this is a typical copy from the Bible , the day I die and the day I shall be raised to life meaning his death and ressurection which Mohammad always objected.

“I create for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird with God’s permission.”[/b] (Quran 3:49)

Jesus made the birds. . May God be praised.

It is known that God created all things, this verse tells us that God created Birds through Jesus,and indeed by Jesus breath, Which proves him as a living creator. Amen.

“I also heal the blind and the leper.” (Quran 3:49)

Cool. .Thats my Lord speaking.

“…and I bring to life the dead, by the permission of God.” (Quran 3:49)

Glory be to God, Halleiuyah. JESUS works with God. Yes indeed,he gives life to the dead

“I inform you too of what things you eat, and what you store up in your houses. Surely in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.” (Quran 3:49)

But when, where?
That, he did not do,

The only Prophet in the Koran is Mohammad. .
Without the Bible,he wont even know who Ishmeal was.

They should watch untill Jihadists spread Jihad on their streets in full strenght. They may think that they reasons as they do.

Anyway, their problem, their aproach.

tbaba1234:
Well, Jesus is part of Islam, so it is understandable that muslims talk about him.

Jesus, David, Abraham, Moses etc were never muslims. Infact,nothing like Islam existed during their time.
Mohammad made it up to lure the Jews,but forgeting that he was a cheap pork from the desert of Arabia.

LagosShia:
wel done brother Sweetnecta.

they will keep crying until Jesus disown them and then their eye will clear.

Since Mohammad and Allah has condemned you to hell, you are pursuing your shadow.
Since he didnt even know where he would go,its obvious he is in deep and calling you to join him.

On the other hand, a rapist has simply to deny the crime and go scott free.

Sweetnecta:
@Adesammie; You may need to describe the "Way" and contrast it with "the worships of the christians, today" to see if they are in agreement.

if Jesus was not a singing, clapping, dancing, etc worshiper, then his "way" is different from the "way" of the christians.

Then compare the way of jesus in worship of his Lord God Who is One to Islam. Are they different when Jesus was a standing prostrating face, bowing man. The muslim salat entails all of that.

This is what Jesus is telling those that worships a black stone in mekka and faces towords a direction of mekka while worshiping. Or hiting their forehead constantly on the floor.

The hour cometh when ye shall neither in this mountain,nor yet at Jerusalem worship the father.for Ye worship what ye know not.
but the hour cometh,and its now,when true worshipers shall worship the father in truth and in spirit,

Sweetnecta:
@Joagbaje: Tell me which part of this verse fits Jesus more than any other person?


Isaiah 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, every one of the prophets was born from the point of this statement onward. John was born so was Jesus.

unto us a son is given:and the government shall be upon his shoulder Solomon fits this description more than Jesus.:

and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The woman solomon preserved her son's life will thing about solomon this way What is funny here is that you see human as wonderful and counselor here, but you don't see human as the another comforter, a counselor with voice so that he can speak words from God to affect the hearts.

The mighty God,The everlasting Father, she and many will think solomon is this person

The Prince of Peace. John fits this more than Jesus.

This is what Mohammadian Education,and Koran as the guide can do to people.
It strips them off their sences.

This post is very sick and proves more of a deranged poster .
Some people are realy terrible.

ivoice247:
Yes, i too agree that the law of moses(as) is divine and an inspiration of GOD. I also agree that moses did not write the 10 commandments.

Better.
Atleast you may now understand why the law was made in the first place.

I disagree with you on the above.  Jesus(as) was also under the law of prophet moses and not just under the commandments, as the verses i quoted below will prove. According to the book of Mathew 5;17-18 (New Living Translation Bible)

"Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God's law will disappear until its purpose is achieved.

I am not come to "destroy", but to "fulfil". By "the law" is meant the moral law, as appears from the
whole discourse following: this he came not to "destroy", or loose men's obligations to, as a rule of walk and conversation, but "to fulfil" it; which he did
doctrinally, by setting it forth fully, and giving the true sense
and meaning of it; and practically, by yielding perfect obedience to all its commands,
whereby he became "the end", the fulfilling end of it.
He said,"It is finished" on the cross,thereby fullfiling all that the Prophets wrote about him,and making a good impact of the law to the heart of the believers.

Lets see what Isaiah said about Jesus and the law.

[Isa 42:21] The LORD is well-pleased for his righteousness' sake, he will magnify the law, and make it honorable.

He wont destroy or abolish it,but make it honorable. And fullfiling it in the heart of those that accepted it.

How did he go about it?

I just have to paste on two occations.
[john 8:7] So when they continued asking him,he lifted up himself,and said unto them,he that is without sin among you, let him cast a stone at her.

according to the law,an adultress should be stoned.so here, we can observe that,
1)He didnt abolish the Law,
2)he didnt subject to the law,
3)he moderated the it,and made it good and not strict.
thus he has fullfiled it for those that accepted it.

[LUKE 13:14] And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because that Jesus has healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, There are six days in which men ought to work: in them therefore come and be healed,and not on the sabbath day.
And the Lord said,thou Hypocrite, doth not each one of you on sabbath loose his ox or his Bottom from the stall, and lead him away to watering?


According to the law,no work is to be done on the Sabbath day.

We can also see here that:
1) He didnt destroy/abolish the law
2) he didnt subject to the law.
3) he has moderated it and fullfiled it in the hearts of those that accepted it.

Jesus never subjected and practised the Mosaic laws,he used it to teach them and prepare them to accept the law of the heart, which is mainly in work with our conscience, And ministered by the holy Spirit to judge between good and bad.

Dear Judek2, any counter-response you make should pls be backed up with evidences from the bible. thanks

I think my posts has not been outside biblical evidences.

dear judek2, please stop deviating from the discussion and lets back our answers with evidence from the bible OR
quran. ok

We havnt come to the Koran yet, so evidence from the Bible.

The discussion here according to your previous posts is whether the law of moses was man-made
or from GOD? According to the bible, the law of moses (which includes law pertaining to politics, social & civil) was from GOD, as also the 10 commandments was from GOD too. And my proof is from the book of Malachi Ch 4 v4;- Remember the law of Moses My servant, even the statutes and ordinances which I [God] commanded him in Horeb for all Israel.

That verse is specifically speaking of the 10 commandments in mounth Sinai,or Horeb.

The Law of Moses is divine,afterall, its through Gods wisdom that he wrote it. But there is one thing,
The law of Moses,and the law of God which is the ten commandments.
Moses did not write the ten commandments,it was fully the hand of God,but he wrote the Law as a constitution to guide the people, if they fail the Commandments.

Jesus wasnt under the law of Moses,because, though it was divine knowledge, its just like a constitution,to be compared to a states law. But he was always under the Law of God,which is the ten commandments,thats why Christians no longer follow the Mosaic law,but Gods law(10 commandments).

This is what Jesus said about the Law of Moses. :
"It was in consideration of your stubborn hearts," said Jesus, "that Moses enacted this law for you;

The law of God is in our hearts,and we dont follow any written law for God,our concience,strong faith,and the Holy spirit is our law.

I also want to touch that verse you presented for knowledge and Prophesy sake.
Malachi was the last of the old Prophets, he made prophesy for a new covenant and in vs 4, urged them to keep the commandments of God,and prophesied about John the baptist and Jesus Christ in vs 5 and 6 of that chapter,which ended the old prophesies.

Typical! copy and paste article just like most christians do all over the internet. Because you don't understand your bible, you quickly copy and paste any explanation you see on the internet to buttress a point regardless of whether the article makes sense or not, that's why you cannot backup your responses with any biblical verses to. But i'll help you with that now:-   

Your idea of my copy and paste based on baseless point is laughable.
Knowledge is based on written facts,accesed and presented. Maybe you copy and paste just for refutal sake,but I dont. I try and make it more understandable for myself.

Firstly, there's no where in the entire bible that states Heli as the mother nor father of Mary. The writer of this copy and paste article is just making an assumption.   

Post a verse from the bible to prove me wrong

The Bible has done more than enough on this aspect. It has provided both the geneology of Joseph and Mary,and only your type will call it a contradiction.

Saint Matthew,was a Jew so addressed his Gospel to the Jews, who followed the Law of Moses (Mosaic Law). The Jews traces geneology according to Males. So in Matthew's account, he traces it from Abraham up to MATTHAN, Jacob and Joseph.

Saint Luke has quite a different account of the genealogy of Jesus Christ. He was a Gentile,so he wrote his Gospel to address the Gentiles who were not under the Mosaic Law, and for the most part were unfamiliar with it.
He traced it from Joseph, Heli, MATTHAT down to Adam.

NOTE:The Greek word used for " as was supposed, or, as was thought" in Lukes account is "Nomizo", which means:
1. To hold by custom or usage.
2. To follow by custom or usage.
3. It is the custom.
4. It is the received usage.
5. To deem, to think, to suppose.

Thus the insertion of as was supposed means a diversion. Thereby tracing Jesus geneology through Mary.

So in order to trace the bloodline of Jesus through Heli, we would first have to go
through Mary, His mother. This shows that Heli would be the
blood father of Mary, and the father in law of Joseph. Even though the name of Mary is not listed, in order to comply with
Jewish custom, it is certainly implied.

Matthew 1:15, shows that Matthan is the father of Jacob, and Luke 3:23-24, show that Matthat was the father of Heli.
It is not known if MATTHAN and MATTHAT are the same person.
Thereby,making Heli and Jacob half brothers.

Secondly, the "comparison table" this writer is talking about can be found in the bk of Luke & Mark showing the Descendants of David. Therefore, if the writer claims that Heli is Mary's Father then what you're saying is that Mary is a descendant of David 

As a matter of fact,they both are descendants of David. And if you read my post above,you will see that Heli(Mary's father) and Jacob (Joseph's father) are half brothers.
This is in accordance of Moses law in Numbers.36:6-12
see vs 8 And every daughter that posseseth an inheritance in any tribe of the Children of Isreal,shall be wife unto one of the family of the tribe of her father. That the children of Isreal may enjoy every man the inheritance of his fathers .
Just read from vs 5-12.

If so, give me quotes from the bible to buttress your point

This site will help you incase you dont want to read my post. It explains it better for you.
http://www.Home.inreach.com/bstanley/bkaqua.jpg

Enters thread, sees @Lagoshia,

*storms out to avoid insults*

tbaba1234:
The Islam section is also filled with all sorts of posts that are of absolutely no benefit from non-muslims.

Talk to @Lagoshia who posts about ten irrelivant topics in less than one hour. And spamming the forum with numerous vague topics.

East:
- Prayers can be repeated, i mean a single phrase can be prayed until you recieve an answer e.g Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane prayed the same
prayer through out the midnight: Luke 22:4-42. Also read about the prophets, apostles and christian you will realise that there are particular times that
they prayed especially in the midnight hour.

This is the sentiment of a Mohammedan, liking to repetition of prayers; they often use such words as the following:
O God, O God, O God, O God! -
O Lord, O Lord, O Lord, O Lord!

O living, O immortal, O living, O immortal,
O living, O immortal, O living, O immortal!

O Creator of the heavens and the earth!

O thou who art endowed with majesty and authority! O wonderful, etc.

This is Vain and needless. It an even result of mockery.

quote from [Heaut. ver. 880. ]
"Pray thee, wife, cease from Stunning the gods with thanksgivings, because thy child is in safety; unless thou judgest of them from thyself, that they cannot Understand a thing, unless they are told of it a Hundred Times."

Prayer requires more of the heart than of the tongue. The eloquence of prayer consists in the fervency of desire, and the simplicity of faith. The abundance of fine thoughts, studied and vehement motions, and the order and politeness of the expressions, are things which compose a mere human harangue, not an humble and Christian prayer.
Our trust and confidence ought to proceed from that which God is able to do in us, and not from that which we can say to him.
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.


[1 KINGS 18:26] And they took bullock which was given them, and they dressed it,and called on the name of Baal from morning even till noon saying, O Baal,hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered, And they leaped upon the altar which was made


[ACTS 19:34]
But when they recognized that Alexander was a Jew, everyone started to shout in unison, "Artemis of the Ephesians is great!" They kept doing this for about two hours.

Long prayers are not condemned, but vain, needless, and superstitious ones. Cos its practiced to pagans who worship deaf and dead gods and not the living God.

LagosShia:
how old was your mother?

[s]i'm sure she wouldn't know when she was scattered to pieces.she may need to ask your priest.ask your father too to inquire from the priest when his behind was scattered.your lack of manners for your elders is a reflection of her state.

as for your above hallucination,Lady Aisha could have being older than 18.

this brings the below thread into mind:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-846958.0.html#msg9975134[/s]

As fake as the poster.