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BetaThings: Tolerance Indeed
2 wrongs don't make a right
Easy to preach
No matter how the enemies of Islam pretend, we would prevail
Alhmadu li Llah for His guidance and our proper adab

lol.

BetaThings: So you tell one of two opposing parties to be tolerant
He tells you the other party has been victimising him
You retort that two wrongs (what is the retaliatory wrong of the one that complains again BTW) don;t make a right
But you say nothing to the one who is accused of victimisation
If that is not double standard, I wonder what else is

That is the reason why no Christian society or group have been able to practice that myth of turning the other cheek. It is impracticable
If I am wrong cite one example of a Christian society or group that does not have an army or refrains from responding to an attack
What you recommend is unjust and impracticable.
Tell the offender the truth because you have claimed repeatedly that you will not hide the truth

Please. Muslims believe in justice - you should attend a mosque sermon one of these days and learn that



1. I have never pretended to be other than a muslim. Nothing more to reveal. If you disagree, I await the denouement
2. YOU actually should stop playing the role of a trojan horse
3. There is freedom of belief and DISBELIEF in Nigeria

Resolve these contradictions

i see, you cant fill an already filled cup. all i could do is lol.

BetaThings: You know about Tafseer, don't you?
Please these are elementary things that anyone should know.

BTW. The question is what is the status of the Prophet with a Muslim and the status of a Muslim's parents with him?

"Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things. (Quran, 33:40)

Herbiorlah: Hmmmm, @ poster, what u should know is dat there is difference between Islamic name and Arab name. I dont see anything wrong in one bearing an Islamic name and even use it as his/her 1st name as dat will serve as ur first identity as a muslim and not your deeds! and Allah knows best.

@ the bolded untrue. there is no such thing as islamic name. its just an arabic name.

kingoflag: And when you hear the name Frank, Wlison, Thomas or Robert you think hes from where exactly?

Still think Nigerians are losing their identities to Europeans too?

do you need weed to digest and understand my position?
smh

BetaThings: Muslim should tolerate Christians.
But Christians can continue to besmirch the name of Islam with painstakingly-fabricated stories of monumental atrocities
It does not bother you one bit

two wrongs can never make a right.
now you are revealing yourself

tbaba1234: @op I don't know if your problem is naivety or just a lack of knowledge.

Anyway, i wish you the best. I hope this is just a bad phase.

smh

goldylock: I love this thread! Its a real eye opener. Maybe I should bookmark it. For reference in future.

why?

BigBro: @Poster, The first verse in the Holy Qur'an demands us to seek knowledge. I want to believe you lack Islamic knowledge and that is the basis behind your mode of thinking. The Holy prophet was Arab, Holy Qur'an was revealed in Arabic and while praying all recitations are done in Arabic. Therefore, eventhough as a Muslim one must bear Arabic name but there is beauty in it. In Islam an Arab is not better than you and I before Allah except he is the most righteous. However, Arabic must be cherished by all Muslims. My brother in Islam, go and seek knowledge!!!

and what makes you think i am not a seeker?
your reasoning is clouded

BetaThings: Your Christian admirers listen to you more than they do us. Alhamdu li Llah, the ruse might jut work
So what is your advice to them?
Or are they perfect?

When people watching football match in Congo are burnt to death in a tanker explosion close to them, must they claim it is the deed of Nigerian muslims against Christians
Why is a magical v trick presented as sharia punishment on a toddler?
Oh, the imaginary Egyptian woman hacked to death by her husband for reading the Bible. When will Christians repent and retract it?

how does your ranting correlate with my post?
smh. you cant take away my deen.

BetaThings: So now use the Qur'an to explain his (PBUH) status. Anyone can quote Qur'an. Google is very friendly

hehehehehehehehehehehe. so you want to fault the quran now?
prophet Muhammad is not my/your father. i believe you are not Anabi Isa.you must have a father

BetaThings: I see. You support CAN getting angry. I do too. And they are now saying next time El Rufai safety will not be guaranteed. You don't censure them for that possible recourse to violence

are you insinuating el-rufai would err the second time?

BetaThings: Whether true or not, EVERY muslim MUST get angry at insults to the Prophet (PBUH)
Of course non-muslims don't know why

of course,but it is mandatory to control your temper.

BetaThings: I am yet to see any normal human being who does not get angry when his parents are abused.
So what is the status of the Prophet (PBUH) vis-a-vis our parents?

"Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things. (Quran, 33:40)

BetaThings: I stand by it nevertheless
At least see how you stoutly defend your friends in the hatred against Islam.

Convinced muslim, defender of non-muslims!!!!!
I don't despise you, but I find your antics distasteful

you are pathetic. *spits*

Ayomivic: There was a man who was very rich, he built a magnificent manson and had twins son named Atee and Chris. When his sons were still baby, he left them in care of their mother and went away. But he used to send them letters and gifts.In the letter, he always tells them the kind of attitude he wants for his sons. when these children was eighteen years old their mother died .It left for them to decide how to leave their lives.They continued struggling without parent and they survived.They built their own house and had companies, in fact they lack nothing.

One day,early in the morning a young man came to knock on their door.When they opened the door they found they found the stranger standing by the door.They asked him to come in and sit dawn.They asked the young man how they can help him and the man says

"it was your father that sent me to you. Your father said a great disaster is coming on this town, a day of destruction and he want both of you and your love ones to be ready to flee this town before that day to another town. Your father had built another magnificent manson that is more beautiful than this for you to stay when you come.The young man then handed to them the map lead to that town for them to study.Before he left he added " i am a traveller after today you may not see me again but i will surely come back before that disaster to take you to that town just prepare. make sure you do what was in the letters he had sent to you and this map that i gave to you because your father may disown you if you don't live to his expectation."

the young man had stood up to take his leave when they asked him

" Did you say you saw our father?"

"Yes ! I saw him, i knew him very well. He was the one that send me to you" After his words, the young man left.

They were so astonised to the young man words. It was Atee that first found his words. He says.

" what a foolish words is this ? How can someone who we have never set eye on claimed to be our father? A man who does not know how we struggled to survive.Over my dead body would i accept him as my father,he should go to hell. I can take care of my self , i have been doing that for long time. Beside how can someone who did not live in this town know what will befall this town? He think he can delude us. Even if what he said is true i will rather died in that disaster for him to be my saviour.How can i leave everything i have suffered to achive, all the enjoyment of this town and flee to boring town.How rich is he that made him says we should tell our love one?He even threaten to disown us if we don't live to his expectation, to err with him and the young man he sent. For me i have no father and i don't want to have one"

After Atee had finished his worlds.Chris says " I hope you say these out of annoyance. Truely we have never set eyes on our father sin birth but one thing that was cleared was that, we did not make ourself and we did not build this magnificient manson we are living in and nobody have ever come to claimed the ownership of this manson. Our mother also told us we have father unless you don't believe her. For me i will listen to what the young man says and i will be in preparation for his second coming. I will read over and over the letter our father sent to us and i will study the map given to us by the young man. If he comes fine if he did not come my life still goes on.But iam surely believe that what the young man says is true. I will like to meet my father. I don't want to die and i belive that my father is extremely rich. If not how can he affords this magnificient manson we are living in ?On why our father did not come to see us since our birth, i am not in position to answer that question and nobody is in position to do that except our father. If i see him, if i can speak to him i will ask all quetion that was bothering me and in the case of that town being boring, how do you know that a town you have not been to will be boring ?Even if it is boring as you think you and me can make lovable if we are there since we will be able to ask our father what we want and how we feel. I want you to know that a dead man can not speak and the prisoner is not a free man.

That is where the story ends.
Now my questions are.

Without bias which of these two men Idea will you agree with if you are in their shoes and why ?

The story above is in parable what does these infer ? Who is the father,mother ,magnificient manson, Atee and Chris? who is that young man?Where is the town the father wants them to flee to? Etc.

the bolded got me confused.

BetaThings: These are quotes from the Bible. Show me where the Qur'an has plagiarised the Bible
The Bible has finished Christianity

Exodus 31 : 17
It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed

Qur'an 50: 38
And We did certainly create the heavens and earth and what is between them in six days, and there touched Us no weariness

Genesis 32:28
“Your name will no longer be Jacob,” the man told him. “From now on you will be called Israel,* because you have fought with God and with men and have won.”

Quran 85 : 13 - 16
Indeed, it is He who originates [creation] and repeats.
And He is the Forgiving, the Affectionate
Honorable Owner of the Throne
Doer of what He intends

well said

aribisala0: So how does that deal with what I said ? surely in some recess in your mind maybe.
I do not get your point AT ALL and fail to see the link

now lets do this slowly. you said

aribisala0: Many muslims try to extend the term BELIEVER to mean ONLY muslims.

Then extend this argument to mean Abraham must have been a muslim.The difficulty for them is [b]Abraham died before Muhammad so if Abraham was a muslim that means it is possible to be a muslim without even knowing about Muhammad

now this is where i come in. i am trying to let you understand that, to be a muslim,you must believe in the oneness of ALLAH, which Abraham did.so he was a muslim even without knowing prophet Muhammad (saw)

maclatunji: Case closed. No need to look any further.

aribisala0: Your post has nothing to do with my post.It is irrelevant totally.Please read carefully what I said . The question is not whether submission to Allah is a pillar of Islam but can one submit and be something else that is not a muslim Like a Jew or Sabaen or Even Abraham .

The prophet kept company of men who were Jews did he not?

you said this

aribisala: Many muslims try to extend the term BELIEVER to mean ONLY muslims.

Then extend this argument to mean Abraham must have been a muslim.The difficulty for them is Abraham died before Muhammad so if Abraham was a muslim that means it is possible to be a muslim without even knowing about Muhammad

and i said

justaqad: that is another dogma. this is the correct testimony as sanctioned by ALLAH

Verse 3:18 states the First Pillar of Islam (Submission):

"God bears witness that there is no other god besides Him, and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge."

شَهِدَ اللّهُ أَنَّهُ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ وَالْمَلاَئِكَةُ وَأُوْلُواْ الْعِلْمِ قَآئِمَاً بِالْقِسْطِ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ

BetaThings: So you are happy to declare that if Christians insult the Prophet, women will become widows. When you are given evidence to the contrary, you go into denial

the best approach is to let them know where and how they are erring.prophet Muhammad was taunted more, yet he refrained from violence.unlike some muslims today who would go on killing spree when islam is insulted.that was not the approach of the holy prophet.

BetaThings: On page 12 of this thread is the declaration by @alomoh that somebody wrote a book to insult the Prophet (PBUH) and Allah
That is a book enthusiastically recommended by Christians to themselves

why should it hurt you when its all lies. years ago americans were told lies about islam,as time unfolds they found out the truth.approach them polite despite the mockery.

BetaThings: You kept quiet about it. Muslims should just accept your statement in the face of evidence to the contrary

ALLAH knows best

BetaThings: Your [b]hatred for Islam should not stop you, out of self respect, from admitting the truth[/b]

i laugh at the bolded. because it is a blatant lie. ALLAH knows best

BetaThings: Like the dua in Tabarani


"Oh Allah, I seek refuge in you from ...............
my neighbour.....
such that if he sees something good, he buries it,
and if he sees something bad he spreads it"

AMEEN.

aribisala0: You are contradicting yourselves
So you do NOT have to even KNOW about the prophet Mohammed to be a muslim ?

this is the correct shahadah. prophet Muhammad (saw) was not he first muslim

Verse 3:18 states the First Pillar of Islam (Submission):

"God bears witness that there is no other god besides Him, and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge."

شَهِدَ اللّهُ أَنَّهُ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ وَالْمَلاَئِكَةُ وَأُوْلُواْ الْعِلْمِ قَآئِمَاً بِالْقِسْطِ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ

aribisala0: Many muslims try to extend the term BELIEVER to mean ONLY muslims.

Then extend this argument to mean Abraham must have been a muslim.The difficulty for them is Abraham died before Muhammad so if Abraham was a muslim that means it is possible to be a muslim without even knowing about Muhammad

that is another dogma. this is the correct testimony as sanctioned by ALLAH

Verse 3:18 states the First Pillar of Islam (Submission):

"God bears witness that there is no other god besides Him, and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge."

شَهِدَ اللّهُ أَنَّهُ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ وَالْمَلاَئِكَةُ وَأُوْلُواْ الْعِلْمِ قَآئِمَاً بِالْقِسْطِ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ

hadbak: may Allah reward u wit good. This is d angle I have been wanting him to look at. May Allah let him c it bfor its late

you are only looking without seeing.

murtalaa: If you think you will get a pat from these bigots on NL you are sadly mistaken. You will never get anything short of ridicule. let me tell you why you should be proud of your Arabic name: 1. Our beloved prophet was an Arab

i am oruba.no amount of arabic will make me arab.

hadbak: 2. Qur'an was revealed in Arabic

i did not say otherwise

hadbak: 3. Arabic would be the language of the hereafter.If you don't find these reasons enough to be proud of your Arabic name then you have no besiness identifying yourself as muslim. When people mistake you for hausa, does that implies that you are loosing your identity to Arab? when have Hausas become Arabs?

stop painting ALLAh arab. can you back up your claim with the quran?

i wonder the way most muslims reason. wel the reason is not far fetched. ........

isleman: I want to congratulate the poster for the wisdom and knowledge and for reaching the stage of self discovery. A stage of self discovery is a stage in life when you discover who you are, what you are and your purpose in life. it is a stage when you can clearly define right from wrong, good from bad without fair or prejudice in order to feed you own common sense and be true to yourself. unfortunately, this stage has nothing to do with age. i don't know your age but i congratulate you again for reaching that stage in life.

many don't reach that stage at all and they die as fools. i congratulate you again from being able to separate facts from fiction.

to buttress your point. i have an English name too which makes people not know who i am or where am from. Africans are usually identified by their names, language and culture. if your name doesn't quickly identify you. its a problem. you wouldn't know how it feels if you bare a native name.

Same for Christians too. their is nothing like christian name or biblical name. all names in the bible are either Hebrew or Jewish. It is pointless naming your child an Hebrew name when you can name them the interpreted version in your native language. For example, ISSAC is a Hebrew name while it means 'promise child'. Why name a child Issac when you can simply name them promise or promise child in your native language which is the actual meaning?

This is where African are losing it. if we can open up our minds and eyes and remove the sentiments and hypocrisy. Africans will move forward. they've played with our minds enough, lets rediscover ourselves.

well said

maclatunji: It is his personal choice to support or not to support the Super Eagles for whatever reason. The person with a problem is you who does not respect that choice and seeks to lampoon and ridicule it via this thread.

Get busy with something positive and stop going round the website looking for trouble.

true its his choice to support whichever team he deems fit.but citing religious reasons to support Mali and not his homeland reeks of deceit.
are there no muslims in Super Eagles camp?

BlackBaron: True to an extent, same way I've never really heard an indigenous hausa name.

dont make the same mistake with your kids

aribisala0: So how did Abraham and Jesus "surrender" when they did not know Mohammed??
How could Abraham have been a muslim

Abraham and Jesus submitted to the will of ALLAH.thats the prime for being a muslim.

khairate: wow, congratulations, clap for urself. Av noticed wen ds OP sees comments of ds sort, he is so quick to ignore, and attack any muslim who is against his own ' ideology on reforming the religion Allah s.w.t. Has perfected'. And as for you who posted ds here, which bible do u concor with?? That of the roman catholic or the protestant bible that is seven books less? The old or new?? Which one. Like i always say, Islam and xtianity are two parallel lines. Islam is not a religion you jus innovate new doctrines. For example, majority of u 'christlike' pple celebrate dec. 25th as ur God's bday. Hw many times was it mentioned in d scriptures dt he hosted parties nd danced on dec. 25th to celebrate his birth?? Who brought up ds ideology? Ds sunday dancin and clappin, who started it? Was it jesus?? Well i knw now dt dis arguements are coming up, someone will quickly translate a yoruba version of the bible and include this points to validate them. Smh

i understand your point.. i am not trying to perfect islam.culture of arabic naming is not islamic.you are guilty of what you are accusing me.
and but stop your assumptions.

maclatunji: I laugh in Chinese. You are veeeeeery sincere Muslim I see.

you are an intolerant muslim. no need ranting

zayhal: Justaqad
You're just one funny internet character. Who or what is bullying you by arabic culture? What exactly are you afraid of?

arabic infiltration it has done so much damage already

zayhal: And what truth are you speaking? That you don't want arabic names? I just see you as itching for an argument especially to gain cheap popularity on here. Even if your arguments about the name thing is justified. Shouldn't you be happy to bear arabic names simply because arabic is the language of the qur'an and/or because you simply want to associate yourself with the noble Prophet Muhammad?

being a muslim is what makes me happy not bearing arabic names. ia m proud of my race.

zayhal: Another cheap score is saying you do not despise non-muslims. Who's asking you to despise non-muslims? I have non-muslims as close and distant relatives, friends, colleagues, neighbours. I have very wonderful ones among them and the word 'despise' never comes to mind when dealing with them. We relate well as long as each party respects himself and does not cross the line. But I will not watch them or keep quiet when they blaspheme Islam.

stop lying through your teeth. most muslims despise no-muslims.
you dont need lectures on this

ATTENTION MALI !!!

Any attempt, attempted attempt, group of attempts,
variable attempt, fixed attempt, debit or credit
attempts to stop us from winning;
1. We would withdraw our troops from Mali.
2. You would pay us the 7 billion our govt spent on
your war.
3. We would encourage the tuareg rebels to return.
The ball is in your court, pass it to Emenike when d
time koms.
Una hear me so
A word is enough for d wise...

Heheheheheehehehehehehee...... God don catch
una today!!!

no man can ever claim monopoly of Knowledge,knowledge is like the sand,dispersed all over. most muslims brand me hypocrite,ignorant, simply because i speak the truth. well, i not be distracted by them.there are certain issues common sense would solve. i am not a muslim because i am born into a muslim family, i made researches and i am convinced Islam is the right religion.unlike default abubakar,hassan,tajudeen kinda muslim,that are muslims because their parents are muslims.most of them no nothing about islam.not even azan. so i am not a default muslim.
i will also like to correct the impression that when you hear the name Abubakar automatically he is muslim.it is a norm we no-arabs have accepted.amongst arabs there is no such thing as muslim names.Would a muslim say ALLAH is a muslim/islamic name?
i only pray you see the truth,stick to your root.

most muslims label me a hypocrite because i speak the truth,because i refused to be bullied by arabic culture. i want to categorically clear all doubts
I AM A MUSLIM,and if you think otherwise,well its your business not mine.
btw i give credit when its due. and i dont despise non-muslims,if i do i am being a bad muslim.