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i have seen,heard christians claiming about the incomparable earth shaking power connected to the name Jesus.but what i have never seen is the name in action.christians die from gun attack after chanting jesus,blood of jesus holy ghost fire.christians are afflicted by diobolical means.even pagans pronounce the name jesus,yet nothing happens.i believe Mcdaddy's 2nd son's name is (jesus)yet he doesn't believe he ever existed.the name had no hold over him.i am further perplexed by this verse below
phillipians 2:10: that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
every year pastors(tithe frauds) organised crusades,delivering the same people from satanic attack and breaking convenant with the devil.
Them (tithe frauds) getting richer the delivered getting poorer.
Or is phillipians just another editorial process to make the name (jesus)seem fabulous?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I think we are descending into the realm of mockery. Please let us not do that. I will answer your questions but first let me ask.

1.Do you really believe that God can do all things?
2.Do you believe that God is full of Holiness and detests evil?[/quote]abeg make we no dwell on that,i need clarification on this


allow him first to decide whether it was his selfless God that
himself came down to die,but later woke up as if nothing
happened. or is it this "selfless" and "loving" God that sent his weeping and
pleading "son" to come and die on earth or else He will not forgive
man his sins nor the sin that someone else (Adam) committed and
he held all mankind responsible for it while He sits there watching. he needs to first tell us who came down to die:the "son" or the
"father".

Ihedinobi: LagosShia,

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God
v. 14 - And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us

John 10:30 - I and my Father are one
v. 33 - The Jews answered him...for a good work we stone thee not...because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Hebrews 1:8 - But unto the Son he (God) saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever...
v. 10 - And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth...

Revelation 19:11 - And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge (this describes the Jesus of the Bible) and make war....(v. 13) and his name is called the Word of God.

I'm not gonna go on, buddy. Suffice to say that the Bible does more than enough to say that Jesus Christ was God in human flesh.

justaqad, contradictory? Dude, whacha talkin? Do you know the Bible at all? The divinity of Jesus Christ is utterly without question in the Bible. If you do not see that, it's no surprise. The Bible isn't open to all interpretations. Only one is correct and it is the interpretation given by its Author, God Himself. Only such as have His Spirit within them know the Bible's total unity. You who do not have this Spirit will only see contradiction and puzzles when you look.

LagosShia, before you start in on the contradiction of the Bible because I've shown you places in it that fully agree that Jesus Christ is God and appear to contradict the other passages you threw up, look at my response to justaqad.

to answer john 1:1,answer this little question..
www.nairaland.com/982691/window-heaven...even-atheist-sure-heaven.
Then we will talk about divinity of jesus.u see why bible is a hoax,u all claim its on the holy spirit that inteprets it when its been challenged.u go tell me whether the verses i'll quote will be from the quran or dictionary.

LagosShia: is he self-sufficient?

hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehh.
My mind no even go there.which one are we to believe.a loving god that left his throne in heaven and commited suicide on earth.or an incapable selfish god, rather than selflessly atone for the sins of his so loved creatures sent his only begotten son to die?isn't that cowardice and selfishisness?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]God is all-powerful, all-knowing, ever-present, all-sufficient, full of love.




Inconvenience is not weakness, it is just inconvenience.
To save us from sin God gave His Son. God took the form of a man and sacrificed His life for me and you.
Do you know the most profound thing about that sacrifice?
A God who is infinitely holy bore the stench and filth of the sins of His creation.
He allowed Himself to be humiliated for our sake.
His precious blood was shed for us so that we will have His righteousness.
God loves us so much that He has borne the punishment for our sin. He has taken away our guilt.
The gift He has given us is the greatest gift ever.

We can now be sure of Heaven. Not by slaving away to meet His demands but by relating with Him as to a Father who loves us so much that He can give up Godship for our sakes.[/quote]did u type 'ALL Sufficient' or are my eyes deceiving me?
Mr,u just shot yourself by yourself,hehehehehehehehe
if jesus is all sufficient then he is incapable of selfless love.
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
hypocri.........

The same bible contradicted the dogma of cruci-fiction.
Heheheheheheheheheheh

LagosShia: he is plainly saying God he believes in is not self-sufficient.and for God to love selflessly,He must feel the cost of loving and not be "self-sufficient".i have being trying to explain to him that God is infinitely merciful.and therefore mercy superceded love.

i wouldn't blame him that much,cos his god is not almighty.what do u expect,when his god regreted after creating man.hehehehehehe.so much for being almighty.i guess his god was part human and part god when he harboured the thoughts of creating man.hehehehe

[quote author=Mr_Anony]You are missing the point. Allah can be be immensely merciful, loving, compassionate, kind e.t.c. towards you but He can never inconvenience himself for you....and that is what love really is.

A mutual feeling of give and take is more or less a business contract.
A one sided benevolence is alms giving.
It is when someone can do something for you even though it costs him much. that you know that the person loves you.
Allah is incapable of this love.[/quote]so ur jesus that is capable of this selfless love waited thousands of years before commiting suicide.or was he scared of the egyptian whips?hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.
What will happen to those before him?since he claims no one cometh to the father except through him?
Heheheheheheheheheheheheh

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Really?[/quote]the divinity of jesus is contradictory in the bible.
The bible is my sledge hammer.
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehe

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Good, it is exactly those basic concepts that I am indeed questioning. How can a self-sufficient one not be selfish? How can he do anything outside himself? How can he love selflessly?
I am not arguing that he does not need to, I am arguing that he is incapable of selfless love.

Btw, I apologise for saying "your Allah"[/quote]so your saying your jesus is NOT Self sufficient and therefore love selflessly?
What are the attributes of GOD?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I still don't think we are talking about the same Jesus sorry. The Jesus I know is God in the flesh. If your Jesus was not God but a man, then sorry about that.


I was only telling you how the bible defines Christians but since you seem to have to know who is more christian than others then perhaps you should send your CV to God so that he can appoint you as minister in charge of christianity evaluation.[/quote]which God are you talking about?jesus clearly stated he aint God,why are u ascribing attributes that is not of jesus to jesus?reason why christianity is a sham,the very basis of christianity is contradictory.
Smh

proo212: Justaqad, how about the hadiths now? are those out of context too?

diversionary tactics,like i told you Quran is the revealed book and guidance of all believers.
Prove to me from the quran where freedom is religion is negleted

2good: Really funny. There is no need for further discussion. You selectively pick verses that suit you intentions and called mine out of context and hypocritical. That is the problem with religion. People feel they have understanding while others don't have understanding and everybody get their inspiration from thesame book.

i quoted the whole verse.
Hehehehehehehehehe,no proof abi now ur running away.hehehehehehehe

2good: You asked me for proof of one of my earlier quote and I gave you. Again I will ask you thesame question and just want an honest answer of yes or no from you.
Is this verse from the Quran?

Quran-4:89— “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades (change to other religions), seize them and kill them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-”

you quoted the verse out of context to suit your hypocritical interest.
Read the whole verse.the quran wont bite i promise.
Quran is the revealed book and guidance for all beleivers,not hadith,

2good: Tell me if this text from the Quran is wrong.

Quran-4:89— “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades (change to other religions), seize them and kill them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-”

Islam does not allow killing any innocent person regardless of his or her religion. The life of all human beings is sacrosanct according to the teachings of the Qur’an and the guidance of our blessed Prophet Muhammad -peace be upon him and upon all the Prophets and Messengers of Allah. The Qur’an says about the prohibition of murder, “…Take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus does He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.” (al-An’am 6:151) and Allah says in the Qur’an, “Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, We have given his heir authority (to demand Qisas or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the law)” (al-Isra’ 17:33). According to the Qur’an, killing any person without a just cause is as big a sin as killing the whole humanity and saving the life of one person is as good deed as saving the whole humanity. (See al- Ma’idah 5:32) However,the Qur’an says, “kill them wherever you find them…” as it is mentioned Surah al-Nisa’ 4:89. The answer is simple and that is, you should read these verses in their textual and historical context. You should read the whole verse and it is better that you read few verses before and few after. Read the full text and see what is said: “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): so take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (from what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks. Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (Of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (guarantees of) peace, then Allah hath opened no way for you (to war against them). Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that
of their people: every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto; if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them; in their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them. (Al-Nisa’ 4:89-91) Now tell me honestly, do these verses give a free permission to kill any one any where? These verses were revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad at the time when Muslims were attacked by the non- Muslims of Makkah on a regular basis. They were frightening the Muslim community of Madinah. One may say using the contemporary jargon that there were constant terrorist attacks on Madinah and in this situation Muslims were given permission to fight back the “terrorist”. These verses are not a permission for “terrorism” but they are a warning against the “terrorists.” But even in these warnings you can see how much restraint and care is emphasized. It is important that we study the religious texts in their proper context. When these texts are not read in their proper textual and historical contexts they are manipulated and distorted. It is true that some Muslims manipulate these verses for their own goals

2good: No I am not right to some degree but absolutely right. The people that practice these acts, take their inspiration from texts in the Quran. Maybe the educated Muslims are practicing a dilute form of Islam which is not what the prophet Mohammed left after he died.

prove ur point from the quran.

2good: Its not just a story but a very clear illustration of what the religion teaches. It is punishable by death to renounce Islam in several Islamic countries

ur right to some degree,but it is never sanctioned in the quran.
Islam is a religion of conviction

i believe the questions has been answered?
The God of the old testament is same as Allah,shikena.but the god of the new testament that sacrified himself on the cross of cavalry is a deity.he is nothing compared to Allah,yahweh,jehovah

it is clearly stated in tne quran,no compulsion in islam.
Any muslim forcing islam on anybody probably has not come across Surat Kafirun.
The authorities in Saudi Arabia might not allow churches in saudi,but it is a direct violation of freedom of religion as stipulated in the quran.

ambrosini593: TB Joshua`s Ministry has debunked the rumours that said the prophet prophesied death on 2go users. They say TB joshua never made any statement of such. The statement reads: SOCIAL NETWORK PROPHECY RUMOUR: Emmanuel! Our attention has been drawn to a rumour currently circulating around the internet concerning a prophecy supposedly given by prophet TB Joshua about a calamity that would befall users of social network on Wednesday 18th, July 2012. Read more at. www.amebortalk.com/members-gossip/naija-gossip/1803-tb-joshuas-church-denies-2go-prohecy-rumours

why didn't he deny the fake prophecy on the 16th when the rumour was all over bbm.why today?cos there was no recorded casualty abi?
Smh for most nigerians.

safarigirl: Yes dear...u can cal or send an e-mail 4 confirmation

is that ur twitter handle?

is this for real??

looking for a simple, understanding girl.
Chikena..

hehehehehehehehehehe
mr.Anony u argue blindly,
fairy tale book(bible)
heheheheheheheheh

MacDaddy01: I Peter 5:8 “8BE SOBER, BE VIGILANT; BECAUSE YOUR ADVERSARY THE DEVIL, AS A ROARING LION, WALKETH ABOUT, SEEKING WHOM HE MAY DEVOUR:”


You better forget God, Satan is epic according to the bible. Roaring lion....boss

na wa for u oooo..u cant even prove satan is more powerful..
God is superior..

MacDaddy01: Are you sure that you arent high from laughing gas? Its not accepted that a muslim is not in control of his thinking faculties

hehehehehehehehhehehehehehe.
Keep deluding urself.
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe, i laugh at you

MacDaddy01: You are free to go to that website. I want to engage with Nigerian muslims.

I have already engaged with muslims from different parts of the world in UK. However, to have a discussion in some parts of Nigeria while being critical or asking tough questions on islam is a death sentence

hehehehehehehehehehehehe
delusion

Delafruita: a cure would soon be found for your ailment.dont despair

hehehehehehehehehehe.
Lmaout hahahahahahahah

Observer2: by Godprophet:Prophecies For Nigeria By Prophet Olaye George
11:15pm On Apr 20
Dear Beloved
I COME TO YOU IN THE NAME OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS
CHRIST OF NAZARETH
WORLD PROPHECIES AND NIGERIA PROPHECIES
A GREAT POST begins with Jesus. Lord I am so grateful and thankful for
being here today. I can feel your loving kindness on this forum
Thank you GOD for my Salvation
Thank you GOD for my online brethrens
Thank you GOD for making me be on this wonderful forum
Thank you GOD for what you are about to do on this forum through me
Thank you GOD for your love
May your name be magnified and be exalted forever in Jesus Mighty
Name
Prophecies are priceless only to those that know it value. Jesus said " Do
not give anything holy to the dogs, nor throw pearls in front of swine
lest they trample them with their feet and turn on you and tear you
apart. ”
For this reason God withdrew the simplicity of Prophecies from the
foolish " You have hidden these things from the wise and the
circumspect, that is from the mighty and the rulers, and you have
purified those things for the small and the poor " and through the will of
the Almighty God, supernatural insights are revealed, the power to
perceive what is distant and thereby to foretell things to come accurately
We humans, cannot through our five senses know anything of divine
nature that is hidden
The word of the LORD came unto me, saying, son of man, set thy face
toward the West because now is the hour and time for prophecies.
Prophesy: saying
Thus saith the LORD GOD; before the end of this millennium and in its
final stages, the idea of a New World Order will hold the millennium
under sway. Some countries will be in the grip of revolution for several
years against a New World Order which will arise from sovereign world
super power countries. Sanctions will be impose on these countries
imposing the New World Order says the saith the LORD GOD
And in the democratic era, with the grace of Almighty God and before
completing this millennium, the new world order shall be established on
earth. One Government, One Currency, One Major Language and the
one Language for the World shall be English Language saith the LORD
GOD
Soon, the nations of the earth shall be stable and firm for several period
of time, but only if the world will remain unchanged forever saith the
LORD GOD
Because of the intercessions of the saints, my mercy shall be poured
forth again only for a certain period of time and the Lord shall say:
Therefore I shall crush, destroy and show no mercy; and many other
circumstances shall result from natural disasters saith the LORD GOD
The new ruling party in Nigeria will trouble its people. At this time, the
northerners, the easterners, the westerners and the southerners in
Nigeria shall be troubled like a troubled sea and there shall arise waters
from distant lands to quench the burning flames in Nigeria saith the
LORD GOD
Thus saith the LORD GOD; there shall be a president in Nigeria who will
outlive shortly and rule strangely. The name of this president shall be
forgotten in due time saith the LORD GOD
Nigeria shall go into war, a war within and a war outside and after this
war, there shall be GREAT CALMNESS in the country and out of this
GREAT CALMNESS, a great leader shall arise from the plain lands saith
the LORD GOD
Thus saith the LORD GOD; The Eye of the eagle will be forsaken and the
wings of the eagle shall fall on it feet saith the LORD GOD
Thus saith the LORD GOD; there shall be adding of new constitutions in
Nigeria, subtracting of old constitutions and the constitutions amended
shall suit the high class only saith the LORD GOD
Thus saith the LORD GOD; Nigeria shall soon become one of the world
unsettled countries and after which she shall be restored fully to her
glorious position in the world and all African Countries shall look unto her
sovereignty saith the LORD GOD
Thus saith the LORD GOD; from the plain lands shall come a great leader
that will lead Nigerians to a greater height saith the LORD GOD
3 Days Prayers and Fasting for all Nigerian Federal Executives and Law
Makers because the hot water of hostility is coming upon them saith the
LORD GOD
Thus saith the LORD GOD; a betrayal scandal shall arise within the
Nigeria Presidential cabinet committee and this scandal shall spread like
wildfire saith the LORD GOD
Thus saith the LORD GOD; A Nigerian freedom fighter shall be falsely
accused and shall be discharged freely from this false accusation saith
the LORD GOD
Thus saith the LORD GOD; there shall be renovations in Benin City
Cemeteries, renovations and reformations in Nigerian Justice System and
this reformations shall put smiles on the faces of Nigerians saith the
LORD GOD
Thus saith the LORD GOD; the lost treasures of Nigeria shall be
discovered and restored saith the LORD GOD
Thus saith the LORD GOD; A big fish shall be cast out of the deep sea
and shall be cast out upon on a foreign shore dead by a great wave. A
Popular Nigerian shall die on a foreign soil saith the LORD GOD
Thus saith the LORD GOD; there shall be an airplane crash and warnings
shall come too late saith the LORD GOD
Thus saith the LORD GOD; Attacks on Nigerians shall last several years
beyond this present administration saith the LORD GOD
They that have ear let them hear what the spirit of the Lord is saying
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Delafruita: In 628 AD, a delegation from St. Catherine’s
Monastery came to Prophet Muhammed and
requested his protection. He responded by
granting them a charter of rights, which I
reproduce below in its entirety. St. Catherine’s
Monastery is located at the foot of Mt. Sinai and is
the world’s oldest monastery. It possess a huge
collection of Christian manuscripts, second only to
the Vatican, and is a world heritage site. It also
boasts the oldest collection of Christian icons. It is
a treasure house of Christian history that has
remained safe for 1400 years under Muslim
protection.
The Promise to St. Catherine:
"This is a message from Muhammad ibn
Abdullah, as a covenant to those who
adopt Christianity, near and far, we are
with them.
Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my
followers defend them, because Christians
are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out
against anything that displeases them.
No compulsion is to be on them. Neither
are their judges to be removed from their
jobs nor their monks from their
monasteries. No one is to destroy a house
of their religion, to damage it, or to carry
anything from it to the Muslims' houses.
Should anyone take any of these, he would
spoil God's covenant and disobey His
Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have
my secure charter against all that they
hate.
No one is to force them to travel or to
oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to
fight for them. If a female Christian is
married to a Muslim, it is not to take place
without her approval. She is not to be
prevented from visiting her church to pray.
Their churches are to be respected. They
are neither to be prevented from repairing
them nor the sacredness of their
covenants.
No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey
the covenant till the Last Day (end of the
world)."
Boko Haram take note!

i am a muslim but i deman sorce of this awe inspiring message.
Truly touching.

halalMACburger: Then what is the point of Haram food in the first place? A muslim living in my village in Nigeria would eat haraam food till he dies. Edible worm, Bush meat (big rat), non-halal beef etc. (unless he wants to eat fish everyday and die of mercury poisoning). This same story applies to thousands of towns and cities that have few or no muslims. Either you travel miles for halal food or you eat haraam. What then is the use for haraam in the first place?


What about jobs? A man struggling with feeding family and debt in a recession will turn down jobs offer from alochol selling companies or investment companies? Nuslims should not work in western Banks such as HSBC and Barclays because they are deeply involved ininterest (Riba)?

ur questions has been answered.hehehehehehehehe.
De dont need to travel thousands of miles to eat halal food.
Hehehehehehehehe

mart2k: a general overseer of one of the pentecostal churches has said that by 9pm today,the almighty God will pass through the earth.he however warns that people should be careful not to move anyhow during that hour.he urged people to remain indoor to pray and ask God what they want Him do for them.please,brethren take it serious.God Bless Us.Amen

wetin him wan come do? Abi earth na shortcut to Mars?hehehehehehehehehe
God ko Devil ni.brainwashed dude.

Delafruita: there's no disputing the fact that nigerians love,cherish,adore God.the christians however,are in a class of their own.its no secret that most christians resign themselves to faith and believe "all things work together to them that love god and are called according to its purpose".they also believe "in everything,give thanks unto the lord".this attitude accounts for why christians believe they have no business in politics and believe their "pastors" dont need to criticize the leaders.even the ones that choose to be active like tunde bakare meet condemnation from christians.

for the purpose of this thread,i'd list a few popular "testimonies" by christians in church.
1. "brethren praiseeeeeeeeeeee the lord.after 3 years of fasting and prayer,i have finally gotten admission to univesity/polytechnic/college of education/technical school etc".the pastor then comes up and screams loudly "brethren praise ye the lord.the lord is good.brethren every enemy sitting on your admisiion,they shall die for your sake".congregation will scream amen.

the pastor,testifier and congregation out of their ignorance dont realise the fact that there are no invisible enemies "sitting" on any admission.if nigeria were in a better state,with good educational system in which every eligible candidates gains an admission into their preferred departmennt,would there be a need to go into marathon prayer and fasting talkless of testifying?
if our governemt was functional and the economy in good state which could enable the testifier afford a private university,would he/she be testifying for gaining admission into zoology despite applying for medicine?

these christians need to be told that their ridiculous stance of "we are not of this world" is grossly annoying.they need to speak out and expect same from their pastors.a pastor that doesnt speak out against government injustice doesnt want the progress of his "sheep" and any christian who remains in such a church is an ignoramus

well said,though i wouldn't blame them much when most of their life is dependent on miracle.