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chatinent:
You must think KJV was written by an angel in heaven. Those scholars copied from the original manuscripts too as did JW writers.

The problem here is that, every other translation is in agreement. No translation changes the meaning of the text by inserting words to suit their teaching except the jw translation. This is blasphemy. This is adding to the word of God.
Yet to deceive people , they will be quick to tell you they accept the KJV.

chatinent:
So tell me about your one and true Church.

The thing is we don't believe in a one true church. We believe in one living word of God and one body of christ. This is why I can leave a church if the pastor becomes fake.

Your salvation is not tied to any church but accepting the wholesome sacrifice on the cross.
He said it was finished. The sacrifice was sufficient and the only thing needed.

Gathering of the brethren is profitable. But as long as the gathering is in line with the scripture.
Let no man deceive you, you can read the Bible and understand it for yourself.

xandy84:
Jehovah witness save my life. Growing up in Bariga in late 90's with all the craziness then, I don't think I would have made it out of the hell hole cos most of my friends did not made it alive, and those we made it, did not even finish secondary school not to talk of going to University. Their emphasis on reading turns me from E students to straight A student and I broke the Curse in my street the to be the first to attend Unilag.
I am no longer a witness but most of their teaching is still with me.

I concur . Exposing you to those literatures early in life would certainly help your brain power. Just like exposing a child to reading the Bible at an early age would help the brain power as well.

joyandfaith:
I have done that several times. others are what if God does not exist? what if Bible is not inspired by God?

You may have asked all the other questions. But I doubt you have ask the question "is Jehovah witness a false religion"
And you should'nt do this jw.org.
Be open to truth and see independent thoughts on this

Just in case anybody wonders why jw would go to any length to deny that Jesus resurrected in body,

The Bible teaches that Jesus is the first born.

And he is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation (Colossians 1:15).

But jw laying claim to Jesus been the first created supports their teaching with this verse and would go to any length to defend this.
But here is what the Bible says:


will also appoint him my firstborn, the most exalted of the kings of the earth (Psalm 89:27).
Was David the first born or the first king? No. But in order of preeminence, God sees David as first king amongst kings



And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth (Revelation 1:5).

But Revelation tells us what "Jesus as the first born means"

Investnow2017:
Are you aware that Abraham entertained angels in his day? He even cooked for them and they ate food. Are angels not spirit creatures? They are. But when they put on human body they act as humans. Read please Genesis chapters 18 and 19.
Apostle Peter said categorically that Jesus Christ was resurrected as a spirit person. Read please 1st Peter chapter 3:18. That Bible portion says that Christ was killed as a flesh but was resurrected as a spirit. That was why he could manifest or materialize and dematerialize. Spirits materialize when they take on human form, but can dematerialize to assume their spirit form. In this way, after his resurrection Jesus could enter into a room with all doors closed, as he did severally after his resurrection. So Jesus put on his human life as a pierced person to convince Thomas. If it was his real human body, there is no way the injury would have healed in just three days. Could it?
Why was the body not found when his disciples got to the tomb? The Bible had already prophesied that that Jesus perfect body will not get rotten - because it was a perfect body. Read Psalm 16:10. Not even one of his bones was broken when he was executed. All that to fulfill that prophecy.
Yes, there is a spirit body and there is a human body often referred to as flesh. Since our human eyes are limited, it cannot see a spirit body, hence spirits will have to materialize so that we can see them, as often did the angels of God in ancient time.
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Truth is you can argue all day or you can open up to the truth.

I'll point you to verses that undisputably point to Jesus rising in flesh.



And He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Touch Me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet (Luke 24:38-40).


Understand that he said, "for a spirit does not have flesh or bones"

That verse would have been enough to quench this conversation but no, you will try and come up with anything to support your believe.


So the Jews said to Him, “What sign do You show us for doing these things?” Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” But He was speaking about the temple of His body. (John 2:18-21)

Noticed he said, destroy this temple. And I'll raise it up again in three days. Temple here meaning the physical body of Christ.



And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, He said to them, ’Have you anything here to eat?’ They gave Him a piece of broiled fish, and He took it and ate before them” (Luke 24:41-43)

He ate to prove to them that he was with them physically and of course spiritually

Jesus went to extra length to prove this point. Because he knew people would come someday to try and prove that the resurrection was only spiritual.

Again, he said, "touch me and see. For spirits do not have flesh and bone"
Unless if Jesus was deceiving the apostles by making them believe he resurrected physically when it was spiritual.

One thing you cannot argue with here is that Jesus was making effort to prove to the apostles that he resurrected physically.

The burden of false interpretation is on you and your organization

Narijoel:
Can't refute any claims you say? What a shame, a young JW kid will convienently do that.
From experience, discussions like this on faceless forums achieve little or no result. Kindly find a JW in your area who would not only refute yours false claims to your face but will help you grasp the real truth that you have refused to see. Nobody will force you to this, it is yours to choose.
Shalom

So you can regurgitate some of the rebuttals you have been taught?
Start by doing a little detective work on jw by asking a little question: "what if Jehovah witness is a false religion?"

Pretend to investigate this question as a detective and see what you fine.

If you haven't questioned a believe from the other end, then you're just been brainwashed

Investnow2017:
So you are saying Jesus resurrected in human body, and so it was in that body that he went back to heaven. Which Bible did you read that? Let us address your point one after the other.
Where in the Bible that Jesus resurrected as a human? I am concerned because this knowledge will tell whether or not you truly know Jesus Christ or not. It is not simply by claiming I know Jesus.
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Very simple. He asked Thomas to feel his body( the bones and flesh) as ghosts or spirits don't have bones and flesh.
He dipped his fingers where the nails have pierced his flesh, then he exclaimed my lord and my God.

Again, when the eye witnesses went to the tomb, the body was not there. The body was resurrected.

Question is, if Jesus didn't resurrect in his body, why was the pierced skin still there?

KingRabota:
Hmm one in the body of Christ ?

JW no gree that wan 0

I there mind ,they are the only good people , while everyone else is evil. They believe that they are the only people who understand what God is telling us in the Bible. Meanwhile every time they they try to interpret biblical prophecy they ALWAYS get it wrong. (Aand please don't bring 1914 or 1975 near this place)

If you want to know why it's membership seems so committed, it's because of something I call voluntary brainwash. Their "Society " has made them believe that everything they do in the the name of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is directly from God. ( Grade 1 brainwashing)

Let me pause.

Oh and when you wanna mention me for nonsense keep in mind that I was a member who found out the who real JW are

so I use God beg unu please don't get me started



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God bless you. Perhaps you should consider sharing your story , how you found the light of truth, so other may be touch.
Some of these members are deep in this brain washing and they can't even questions their beliefs

wisewordd:
Isn't that stupid?

It is not stupid. The founder is achieving his aim. The real stupid, is people who swallow everything their church or organization teaches.

Narijoel:
Gibberish

Gibberish you say, but can you refute any of the claim. Open your eyes and see the light of truth. Jesus is the light. Jw org cannot redeem you only the ultimate sacrifice of his death and resurrection can.

Ask yourself, why can't you read your Bible without your literatures.

If you seek truth, God is abundant in mercy. Go on your knees, ask him to reveal the truth to you. Read the king James Bible without the guidance of awake; you will find the truth.

wisewordd:
Why don't you guys marry outside your church but your members have sexual intercourse with non members.

Why don't you guys accept other churches books and listen to their preaching but you go around knocking on people's doors.

Why don't you guys enter other churches if invited to weddings or anniversaries, which I know you do celebrate.

Why?

Because it's a cult. They the to shield their members from the light of truth. Even the apostle adviced that all messages should be screened and verified. But jw members dear not question their organization position. They are not even allowed to read other literatures.

[quote author= post=90151363]We are all ONE in the Body of Christ.

End of Story.

JESUS IS THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY AND FOREVER


YES!
Very Good ones at that.[/quote]Not so true. Witness deny the body resurrection of Jesus Christ. This is an important part of the hope we have as Christians. Christ defeated death in that he resurrected in body not spirit. Denying that is denying the ultimate sacrifice.

Witness deny the deity of Christ regardless of the hundreds of verses that supports this in both the new and old testament. To support their claim they wrote their own version of the Bible , adjusting key terms to suit their teaching. These is blasphemy.

Witness believe Jesus is already here with us for his second coming. They hold onto this teaching because their leaders have predicted severally the coming of Christ even giving a fixed date. Since they cannot change their position, they then came up with a smart cover-up that Christ is already here with us as for his second coming, only it hasn't been revealed
But this is contrary to the Bible that says: the son on man shall descend in clouds of glory and all shall see him

Witness believe Jesus is arch angel Michael. No where in the Bible is this teaching found. But witness strongly hold onto this.

Witness believe in salvation by work. And they have to as a matter of requirement meet a certain hour of witnessing to merit paradise. When they go out to witness, they do this to meet the mandatory hours.

This is contrary to Bible position to teaches that the sacrifice of Jesus is sufficient for our salvation. He paid the ultimate sacrifice.

I can go on forever as to why jw is a false ministry. It's a cult. They disown their children, if you turn an apostate.

Contrary to what they have you think they believe in the Bible, they don't believe you as an individual can read the Bible and understand it, you need the guidance of the watchtower and awake publications. That is where the real brain washing takes place

Squillaci:
Lol. Soon intellectual disability will deemed inappropriate, as was once idiot, imbec1le, slowpoke etc.

#fact

ethicallyright:
Does Nairaland silence opinions when their mods ban defaulters or they just correct those who don't know the etiquette of Public interaction?

The question is what right have you got to tell someone not to voice her opinion simply because you disagreed with her over Donald Trump. That says a lot about you.
People like you think they are EthicallyRight , so anybody with different opinion must be evil. That's why we cannot have a healthy conversation without spitting venoms

ethicallyright:
I guess the left is going to ban Twitter, Google and Facebook? Crawl back to your hole, sheep.

Twitter has become a tool for silencing opposing voices. People have been speaking out about Twitter silencing them when they disagree with their position.

Now they have done that to the president and perhaps someone would remind them nobody elected them the police of the world.

ethicallyright:
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You bloody liar and hypocrite. You have no morality to call the name of almighty God.

You are advising a woman whose husband obviously care but you support openly Do.nald TR.ump who cheated with an IndecentStar while his wife was nursing his little baby.

If you want to preach leave politics. I was disappointed that you preach Christ and still say that it's right for a President to order for his people to be shot at sight.
Stop spamming Nairaland please. Stick to politics!

EthicallyRight, you think you have the right to tell people what to say and what to think. Because she supported Donald Trump in another thread and you didn't like, you followed her all the way down here to shut her down. This is the exact attitude of the left, they shut you down or cancel you if they disagree with you.
They, left, have no idea the meaning of freedom of expression and you should be ashamed of yourself

mrvitalis:
Is this north hypocrisy , u condemned sokoto killing till now haven't said a word in southern kaduna killing

U won't see the idi0t Antony sani coming to condemn killing of his people , this is why I don't take northern minority serious

Forget all this their killing and crying for help , if Fulani give them small post they would turn n kill u southern Christian

My igbo bothers should let all man suffer their suffer

Don't be silly. Make your comment and dont drag the Igbo tribe in your bigotry. Some of you lack any shred of sense.

AmazingMOG:
for this word of yours if you don't meet your end before this year ends know am not a man of God. Your passing will be miserable and in agony.

Your only way out is giving your life to Christ

If I be a man of God!

I'm sorry but God doesn't threaten you so you could convert. And your words hold no waters in the matters of who lives and who doesn't. If he, a mere mortal jokes about God, you can only pray he sees the light someday. Hardline atheist have said worse and God arrested them and used them as vessel.
Pls no prayers of you will die before the year ends, thats unchristian

This just about proves one thing: so-called researchers are still not sure dinosaurs cannibalized themselves. When you see reports like: " cannibalism is definitely on the table", you should know nothing is definite about the report.

Everyday your hear: science thinks, new discovery thinks, science knows, and all the bla bla bla... A group of people roll out unproven theories and sugar coat it as "science thinks"
Science doesn't think. Science is evidential unlike these crap reporting we see in modern so-called researchers. And worse, they keep changing the post with every real science discovery that punches holes on their fables ...

BabaOwen:
Chai!! If only the clueless GEJ had work on ways to restructure this country, free oil money would have stop flowing to northern Nigeria.

As for me, GEJ should have made restructuring Nigeria a do or die affair.

The bastard failed in everything that matters. The only thing that baffles me is why people still see him as a hero. GEJ failed woefully.

Positivechick:
thanks a lot , sometimes I was just hopeful, he is waiting for a big job. He isn’t even too serious about job searching ,it’s so passive to him , I don’t care if he’s a teacher , or a sales boy or a filling station attendant , just get busy. He said he can’t do it.

My dear you should care o. The guy has a big heart to reject modern slavery in the form of teaching. Its better you sleep at home than teach in a useless private school where you get paid 40k and bellow.

Someday and somehow he is going to find something and trust me you and your other colleagues would still be slaving in private schools unless if the guy in question is lazy and lacks initiative.

Just to advise any graduate, don't ever take the private school teaching job after graduation. Just keep looking you shall find

At the age of 22, you have started using man power. Is something wrong with you? And how would even know you need manpower? Have you been having regular sex before? Because if you don't, then I dont understand how you would shop for manpower just to have sex

Again, why report yourself to your parents? I think your parents have too much control on you and that is not very healthy for you. At this age, you have to learn to be independent. People your age have their own family. If you have to always run to Mummy to report yourself, you will find it difficult raising a healthy family.

A man has to be a man. I'm sure your dad wouldnt be very comfortable with your docile attitude. He just might not tell u. Get some toughness now that you're in the university; you'll need plenty of it in life

legionISproteus:
No one is gonna save your butt. Y'all thought the Holocaust was bad? Wait till China become's top world power

My point exactly.

codemaniacs:
they share technology and knowledge with the Chinese, Indians, Japanese, Koreans e.t.c. they do not share with these things with black people.

get all the higher education you want, as long as someone from your race does not own the companies you will never get those jobs, they will always pick asians and indians over black people not because of lack of higher education, they have to make sure there are more non-melanin people with jobs than black people .

And you think white man cares about your race if your knowledge would help his business' profitability. Even as we speak, a lot of Nigerians are trailblazing in the same USA. Just like Obama, a fvckn black man was handed the number one seat. If he was thinking like you guys and didn't collaborate with the white, he would never win the election.

Just like Bob Marley, Kanye, and lil Wayne said, free your mind from mental slavery. Nobody gives a fvck about you. People only care what you bring to the table.

dsobey:
Sense and nonsense in one post.

Which part is the nonsense if I may ask?

JOHNSONSOLAFUNMI:
Bleep the Media how they pit the 2 races together every time, how do you want the woman to describe him, btw Biden said if a black doesn’t vote for him in November, then he’s not black enough... tell me any media house that reported that

Again Bleep the media, New York is a Democrat state with a lot of black so don’t bring trump here

If you think the media are not bias, is the black man the only race in America? so why pit us against the white every time, there are Asians and Latino, why always black

Check US athletes, musicians and religious institutions, black dominated it, Asians were cramped up during world war 2, you won’t hear Asians talk bout it but when it comes to black, the media will exaggerate it, media should stop the bias

PS... if you regard TSR as your new source then fvck off, that page screams of racism


Off topic


To control a place you have to hold the majority, but how do you hold the majority when blacks Aborts their pregnancy more than every tribe combined, the media won’t talk about this, how do you control a place when blacks prefer to be given welfare than being employed, how do you control a place when blacks holds the majority in jails? How do you control a place when blacks will rather drip than give out scholarships, But the media won’t report bout this, you know how many blacks that are being killed by fellow blacks in Chicago daily

God bless you abundantly. You shall never lack in wisdom. This is the point we have been making for ages now: stop piting the black against the white. We cannot grow as a race by fighting against the best(economically) and that explains why Chinese, Indians, Japanese, Koreans...never fight get in the racism talk instead they build healthy collaborations. They take advantage of the whites by positioning as friends and partners not enemies.

The liberal media would forever want the black man to remain stupid, that way they can control him. No way the black can win with a mind full of hate. Get over it.

If someone calls you monkey, call him something worse or move on. Nobody gives a fvck how you feel. If you are going to continue to feel sorry for yourself, you will never grow.

The issues that need addressing is why the unprecedented rise in abortion in the black community; why the ever increasing crime rate, street murders and rampant dropping out of high school;

why the black kid never has a dad because the media teaches that single mothers are the new heroes - fvckn up with your mind.

If the black decides to remain as the scum of the earth by refusing to pursue higher education and values enmass like every other successful nation is doing , don't blame anyone when they call you scum and God help the black race when China becomes the world power.

This is why strong will is necessary for credible leadership. Instead of going back n forth with the useless governors, sign the bill and everybody takes a chill.

This is a good move and pdp should know better not to criticize a bill as popular as this.
Next, we need financial autonomy for INEC

This is really worrisome to say the least. A situation where someone knock on your door and asks you to surrender whatever you in a broad daylight is disturbing . Looks like jungle where the strongest feed on on the weak.

The only way out is to allow the locals access to ammunition. The govt has failed miserably in its duty to secure lives and properties, so the people must arm themselves which ever way the see fit

The food thing should be the opposite. Like, try to finish the food they serve. Because for me, that's a big problem. Once food isn't good, I find it extremely difficult eating it. But if the food is good, I'll est it and praise the cook. And trust me, the women love it when I eat their food like it's the source of life, with shower of praise.

Rahyberg:
When a lady goes into [/b]GHOST MODE on his boyfriend that is the preamble of Break-up Scheme. [b]

Enter Ghost mode while I go into Airplane mode.

Trust is a very delicate entity to have. Almost 99% of Humans has trust issue.

Sometimes when I ask my girlfriend what time she goes offline and she told me after 10pm, I always develop increase in heart beat. Thank God I have once read all her chat from A-Z. Even had to go to the archived chats(Thabk God she doesn't archived anyone). I didn't see anything suspicious.
That gal loyal die, but Trust no one syndrome which has been programmed in me has make me go on rampage.

But no manual for a relationship sha.

Hard truth at bolded. Learnt that the hard way. She went ghost mode and I was playing catch-up, poor me. When she broke the news, my heart skipped, cause it was barely a month since we exchanged Valentine's vows... :
Heart break is fun Sha in hindsight

Nice move. The only way out is to let the people defend themselves by arms acquisition. If you're well equipped and hear bandits are coming, you'd just take cover on a rock and wait for them. Not running around aimlessly.

It's about time law abiding citizens are allowed to acquire arms since govt has failed woefully in matters of security