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urchcoded:
if hell exists, it had to be created by someone. Logic 101. And hell being a fire which Bible talked about lake of fire and brimstone couldn't have lit itself. Anyway since you want to beat around the bush with logic you should talk about the flood too and how it was not God's creation but the absence or rejection of boat by the way, where angels created with free will?

"if hell exists, it had to be created by someone. Logic 101"
Sure!

Guns exist today..
Did God create guns? No. They are man-made.

Nuclear bombs too. Man, not God, created them, from natural God-made raw materials.

What's the point?
There is God's creation, there is man's creativity (for good or bad) which God permits.

There's a clear line.

There are over a million things on earth today which God did not create, but man did.

So sad man has badly damaged a lot of things, and God will respect man's choice.

Like you mentioned flooding, flooding is a condition, not a natural situation. It's a product of human activities. When you dam the rivers, block natural paths of drainage, you get flood.

God did not create sin, but He created man to have choices
God did not create death
God did not create wickedness, but he created the human heart (who can choose wickedness)

Apple created your phone and the OS, but you choose what apps to install on it, and may install malicious apps that will crash your phone. Apple didn't crash your phone, your careless choice of apps did

urchcoded:
i appreciate you tried to bring on logic but I hope you've seen that your logic is flawed. Ok sir, I'm calm now.

It's not flawed.

There is nowhere in the bible where hell was mentioned as a creation of God.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and hell was not mentioned. All that God created, behold they were good.
There was no hell in the beginning.

Hell, just like sin, emerged as a product of a choice, just as Satan.
Hell is place for the spiritually dead. A man becomes spiritually dead when he rejects life.
God didn't create death too. To be dead is to be without life. Why is a man without life? If he rejects life, the consequence is death, and at the end of time, he will be gathered where dead people are -- hell

urchcoded:
when you try to bring in logic into religion, you sound really deluded and brainwashed. Is it not better you stick to your popular mantra and say its a mystery than this rubbish. Hell is not God's creation but heaven is? Satan is not God's creation but Lucifer is even tho he knew that Lucifer would rebel against him and become the devil that would torment the whole world he claims to love, he still went ahead and created him him. What was he thinking? The same god that said he created the good and the evil, you suddenly want to paint him as a loving being and shield him from taking responsibility of his creation forgetting that he drowned an entire race because they attempted to exercise the freewill he told them they have, surely the flood was not God's creation rather it was the absence of a boat. That's how ridiculous you sound. It seems your god has anger issues and needs a therapist. Religion has evolved into a lot of delusions and I'm sorry you are a victim of very strong new testament indoctrination.

Mr Man or Madam,
If you want us to be of a help to each other, you need to calm down.
You are criticising God you don't understand on the basis of logic, yet you're saying it's better I don't bring in logic.

God is logical. He created the brain and knowing God isn't antithetical to logical reasoning, only those who don't opine so

urchcoded:
Righteousness come and tell us how this fire is a small thing compared to the one your father will burn us in for simply not being convinced of his existence. Come and preach your good news that says God loves you, love him back or burn forever. Mount the pulpit, take over.

Lol.. No. Don't get it twisted

Hell isn't God's creation. Hell is a choice. Hell isn't God's creation just as Satan isn't. Hell is death, and death is absence of life.
God's choice is life, but if you refuse life, you have automatically chosen death where hell is the ultimate. That explains it

andyanders:
Supported. They should be paid same amount as their male counterpart. The same 11 against 11. Same size of field they play on. Same 90 mins duration.

Yes, even inter-university games too
Plus secondary school as long as they're representing the state or nation should earn same with Lionel Messi and cr7

Xisnin:
You are confusing business with government.

You can decide to pay your employees a million to one ratio for whatever reason.

This decision isn't about women football.
They didn't mandate private club owners to follow suit.
In fact, no country has such laws.

It is a about a government paying its employees the same rate regardless of gender.
If you don't like, you would have to change the government to change the law.
Goodluck in your quest.

Calm down and see his point.

It's government, not business. Yes.

But does that mean government should be putting #1m to venture that only brings #1k all because it's not business?


BTW, most times it's allowances, not salaries. I don't think I've heard where Government employed footballers to play for the country

robosky02:
How many Laurens has the men brought to Nigeria



Compared to what the girls are doing in the continent

What is the financial worth of the "laurens" they got compared to men

Mr Governor, wake up and develop your state

Word!

JAMO84:
This is another episode of Sahara reporters/PDP "Fake News Collaboration."

No where in the video the man said or even insinuate they would use thugs to rig, no where.

No where he said it. Correct
But that he didn't "insinuate", that isn't correct.

You heard him mention some names. Those are names of popular thugs in ondo state. Those present and Anyone familiar with ondo politics know he's unambiguously talking about violence.
They even owned up to the destruction of billboards of the opposition party. That's enough Basis for prosecution

I can see people saying as long as he can take care of them, it's OK.

No, that's wrong.

If he can take care of them, can the nation take care of them?

Y'all forget that we all compete for the same scarce resources on planet earth?

By the way, the modern Industry world doesn't require much people anymore in order to achieve Great economic output like before..

Driverless cars are here. There will be no more jobs for human drivers soon. Many industrial processes are becoming more autonomous and will only require very few (if at all) staff.

We need to wake up!

Soon, people will set up multi-million dollar company and will have no human staff apart from the owners.

People thinking dangote refinery will solve all employment problems of Nigeria. Sorry!
Modern refineries don't need as much human workers as some decades ago.

Breeding without caution is a crime against humanity, not just the headache of the immediate parents.

Fuckingmallam45:
So none of them pick Muslim as a running mate?
All is not well, kudos to His Excellency Olusegun Abdulrahman Mimiko, the only Governor that set aside Mediocrity, Bigotry and Tribalism during his tenure.

Sorry!
Ondo doesn't play that kinda politics.
It's inconsequential the religion of whom you pick as your candidate

wink2015:
Akeredolu chances of winning the upcoming governorship election is slightly in doubt.

That pdp 's JEGEDE will give him a sleepless night.

But let see if he can still win the heart of Ondo state electorate.

Jegede is a wrong person to make Aketi lose sleep..
He only got the votes he got in the last poll due to Mimikos incumbency.

Aderewah:
Hm. That guy that posts religious things gets hundreds of likes. People that like his posts will be pissed if it was a Muslim spamming all threads like that. I'm a Christian. But mods should ban that guy

Does what he does really meet the definition of "spamming"?

FlackoJodye:
the top african players are not whaaalol u obviously dont know football guy,salah mane and auba?mahrez are nowheree u dnt watch football pls stick to bball.did mane not reach d top 3 for ballon d or last yr..hahaha stick to baasketball etewu

He reached. I know.
After how many years?

Just stick to the context of the discussion, which is the fact that things are less competitive in Africa compared to most other European countries

Cmanforall:
Saka will surely come to super eagles if invited. That'll give him chance to be consistent in international football. He can ask Nedu Onuoha.
And looking at it, Iwobi will soon go to extinction in super eagles team. He wouldn't have been in any international football games if he had gone with England.
Nigerian Super Eagles gives people abroad opportunities to shine in the continent and make waves for themselves.
Ex. Ighalo's selling point that aided his landing to Manchester United was the Golden booth he won during the African cup

Thank you for letting them know this.
I hear people advising him against joining Nigeria. What they don't know is the Nigerian team still has a lot of mediocres compared to the English squad, and that helps them shine

For example, the current African best players are nowhere near top 3 in the world. Imagine someone like de Sterling playing for Nigeria, he will be winning African best players cheaply

It's strange some people think taking oaths with ogun, sango or amadioha is incorruptibly the best.
I'm sorry for you. This is naija
As long as it's man who's the priest, he can be bribed to tell the gods to look the other way, and the charm will work only on the innocent poor man who can't settle the native doctor

Jakemedg:
Wonderful but what if Akeredolu secures his second term defeating Jegede at the polls?

He's going to win. Even the guy you quoted already knows, that's why he's only wishing pdp wins

Chai
This is how Aketi is going to win his second term.
Congrats to him in addy
It's double loss for Agboola

merieam16:
did he say anytin lik prosecution, i dont kno hw people interprets comments only with der fingers

The guy is shifting the blame on "the spiritual". Did you read his comment at all

Standing5:
Nonsense! Are kings really special after death or immortal?. In first Samuel 28. Saul too consulted the witch to call Prophet Samuels's spirit, so does that make the person whose spirit is being summoned immortal? No and Nonsense.


Let them summon all the dead northern emir's spirits and ask for where oil is to save us expensive exploration cost. Same thing also for minerals.

Nonsense.

People keep quoting Saul to support this witchcraft. That it's mentioned in Bible only means it happens. That doesn't explain if it's real or not

Congrats to them
Endorse NOI too abeg

Righteousness89:
Tolu death is More of a Spiritual hit!

The person that hit her is just unfortunate!

So we should go prosecute the spirits?

ernieboy:
and I suppose u got all these from Western controlled media and?

Just like you got this idea that the media is controlled by the west from the anti-west folks.
No info is neutral my brother. You're always a product of influence

ernieboy:
or Western countries are trying to discredit Russian achievements through propaganda.

They aren't.
Russia is only "rushing"
They haven't even concluded phase one of the trials.
Phase 3 takes at least 2years.
Let's not always think anything the west say is out of paranoia

I thought Russia claimed to come up with a vaccine some days ago.. Their propaganda is now visible to the blind

mmsen:
It's incoherent to anybody who thinks rationally.

Full of inconsistencies and lies.

It's like saying to someone speaking Chinese that he's speaking rubbish. It's only rubbish to a foreigner, it's making sense to its target audience who understands the language.

If you're ready to learn the Bible, just be submissive to discipleship of Jesus

Nairalandmonika:
Use to be but not anymore

Great.
I know you "left" for wrong reasons, and I'm sure it's based on some misconceptions about God. What I don't know is if I can be of help

mmsen:
The bible as a collective is completely incoherent.

To you it is incoherent.. Just say you don't understand, seek knowledge

Nairalandmonika:
If u read the Bible objectively without any emotion, u would be surprised how crappy the Bible really is.

Full of many contradictions n wrong information.

Lest I assume I'm talking to the wrong audience, may I ask,
Are you a Christian sir/ma

olayiwola4u:
Do you know Abraham lied, God defended him; Moses married from the wrong place, and God defended him. But when Ananias and Saphira lied, Holy Spirit killed them instantly.

The question is... Are you as close to God as John the Baptist, Elijah and Abraham was? If you are not and you are going against the word of God, you are playing with Hell fire.

Any man who is born again is already closer to God than them. As close as your heart is to you is how God is. God indwells the believer.
So I guess case closed

The Bible passages quoted seem incoherent (sorry I mean no harm) .

The first quote obviously refer to the religious leader, and more specifically the prophets. Knowing the christocentricity of Bible theology, the leader is ultimately Christ. You don't have to agree, but I think it's referring to blasphemy, not some casual expression of disapproval of a king.

Because if we go by your explanation, then John the baptist insulted Herod; Elijah insulted Ahab; the prophets who voiced their concerns with the bad kings "insulted" the king.

IPeter refers to speaking evil of people in revenge, not kings/rulers. If you read patiently, you'll see it's about how Christians in persecution need to bless and not curse their persecutors