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dolphinheart:
The New Catholic Encyclopedia states:
“The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.

In The Encyclopedia Americana we read:
“Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—
(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L
.
According to the Nouveau Dictionnaire
Universel, “The Platonic trinity, itself merely
a rearrangement of older trinities dating back
to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational
philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—(Paris,
1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p.
1467.

John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—(New York, 1965), p. 899.

Even though, as Trinitarians acknowledge, neither the word “Trinity” nor a statement of the Trinitarian dogma is found in the Bible, are the concepts that are embodied in that dogma found
there?
Karl Rahner, S.J., admits: “Θεός [God] is still never used of the Spirit,” and: “ὁ θεός [literally, the God] is never used in the New Testament to speak of the πνεῦμα ἅγιον [holy spirit].”—
(Baltimore, Md.; 1961), translated from
German, Vol. I, pp. 138, 143.

1 John 5:7, 8:
KJ reads: “For there are three that bear
record in heaven, the Father, the Word,
and the Holy Ghost: and these three
are one. And there are three that bear
witness in earth, the spirit, and the
water, and the blood: and these three
agree in one.” (Dy also includes this
Trinitarian passage.) However, some translations does not include the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy
Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth.” (RS, NE, TEV, JB, NAB also leave out the Trinitarian passage.)
Regarding this Trinitarian passage, textual critic F. H. A. Scrivener wrote:
“We need not hesitate to declare our conviction that the disputed words were not written by St. John: that they were originally brought into. Latin copies in Africa from the margin, where they had been placed as a pious and orthodox
gloss on ver. 1Jo 5:8: that from the Latin they crept into two or three late Greek codices, and thence into the printed Greek text, a place to which they had no rightful claim.”—A Plain
Introduction to the Criticism of the New
Testament (Cambridge, 1883, third
ed.), p. 654.

Jesus said: “For the sake of your tradition, you have made void the word of God. You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: ‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’” ( Matt. 15:6-9


Regarding the Trinity, the Athanasian Creed (in English) says that its members are “incomprehensible.” Teachers of the doctrine
often state that it is a “mystery.” Obviously such a Trinitarian God is not the one that Jesus had in mind when he said: “We worship what we know.” ( John 4:22, RS) Do you really know the God you worship?

CANTICLES:
Moses the meekest man on earth is really God. God said so ( Exodus 7:1)

The vital point is: Whom did the Bible refer to as " THE ONLY TRUE GOD" ??

Syncan:
Hahahaha, see story. You said it was changed in the 4th century CE abi? Yet Tertullian (160-225) quoted it in (adv. Praxeam 25), abeg check that period, did it look like 4th century? What about St. Cyprain of Africa(?-258), he was already using it to preach as noted in (Jubaianum, Ep, 73). Keep peddling unfounded stories. Do you even know where the first set of books were canonized? In Africa!

So oga Fresky, African Fathers and writers from the earliest date in favor of the genuineness of verse 7 is of the utmost importance, as it proves that these words were found in the early African Latin Version of the Vulgate, in existence before the days of Tertullian, who quotes from it. Now, this early African Latin Version represents a Greek manuscript, from which the version was made, of an earlier date than any Greek manuscript of the Scripture now extant. Those who were present and decided what is scripture and what is not in the fourth century, all were quoting it as part of scripture without objection, Augustine, Jerome, Bonaventure, Cyril etc.

Now you come in the later part of the teen century to dispute them from recopied works. It's like copying from the person who copied from the person that copied from who copied from the one that copied from the teacher, and you use it as a yardstick...smh. Imagine thomas Howe (2008), talking of erasmus under pressure in 1522, mtchew.


Just imagine your pick and join analogy of the spirit,water and blood. Look at the struggle to make a sense of how they relate, appearing at different times, when everything was laid bare on the cross, no wonder St. Peter said in 2Pet3:15 "....in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction". No wonder indeed.

1John 5:7 : there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. And these three are one.

Jesus the son of God is really God. God said so. Heb 1:8

sonmvayina:
what did he send out the 90 or 92 disciples out to do? if the purpose was for him to die and saved us, what do you think those disciples told people they were preaching to before he died and did that message change after he died?

RikoduoSennin:
So much Ado Nothing!

Q: Is Jesus really God?

A: YES! (John 20:28)

Q: Which kind of God is he?

A: A Mighty God. (Isaiah 9:6)

Q: Is Jesus the same as the Almighty God?

A: No, There is only "one" Almighty God- Jehovah. Almighty is a position that one one person/entity can hold. Besides Even though Jesus is a God he still has a God over him (John 20:17), so he can't be called Almighty.

Case closed!

focus7:
Op in my opinion, the way I see the situation will go is that this heartless government will make the poor masses to bear the brunt. They may come down hard on the people with all sort of unbearable levies just to satisfy their greed.

Abajosax007:
CHRIST's purpose for coming to this world is to set us free from the shackles of RELIGION, turn us from darkness, remove the veil covering our eyes and most especially helping us to see that God is a caring,loving and great father, and to show us how much He loved us,and above all to make us experience heaven-God's presence while we are still in our mortal bodies.John 1:12.. I've i answered your question?

Billyonaire:
Jesus was murdered because of Roman politics. It was treasonable felony purnishable by death to declare yourself a King of Jews when there was a sitting king.

Hiswordxray:
Please explain how these verses support your prophecies.

Gen 9:11 "Thus I establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth.”

2Pet 3:7,10,12 & 13 "But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men... But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up... looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells."