₦airaland Forum

purple3091:
the merry go round as you call it,started when you quoted the other quote of mine(the first you quoted) and gave contradicting opinions of what is african and not,my point on point 3 in the intial quote you quoted was that when some one says they follow african tradition,they should do so fully,without cherry picking yet still say " i am an african tradition follower" while ...1) having an english,arabic,or whatever un-african name...2)following un-african religion..3)using un-african objects...3)dressed in clothes not africa...4)etc.for me i never say am a traditional african following because i know its logically untrue,am modern. also before i answer any of your questions in this post,answer the 2 ones i asked first

I have already tackled your question in my previous post. You need to define what is Un-african? I keep hearing seeing un-african this and un-african that. I don't know how using my cellphone and driving my car is Un-African. These are products that improve the life of an average human! So please Define Un-African.

First before we go on this merry-go round, I want you to define (in your terms not dictionary) what you understand as Un-African, so I will understand your angle of argument better.

purple3091:
ok,am quoting you back to correct your errors! It is contradiction to choose which parts of african tradition to follow/which suit you and say you are traditionally african while still using un-african objects,

You missed the whole point of my premise, which is Traditions sometimes have to evolve/adapt and discard useless practice to remain relevant.

Female Genital Mutilation is a harmful tradition previously/still practiced and does not suit modern world and the victim. Would you call this a contradiction or cherrypicking if I insisted as an authority in your family to mutilate the female genitals of all your girls all in the name of tradition and irrespective of whether you uphold the tradition or not?

purple3091:
for you to follow,and discard the ones you think are bad(englich/arabic names,abrahamic religions etc) <<<all these examples are clearly un african yet you think some are 'good' and others 'bad' ,i'll give you an example to prove my point,if someone uses your sense of reasoning but vice versa(as in says that cellphoes,modern clothes etc are unafrican/'bad'(as in he wants a 'normadic' type of lifestyle) but that arabic,english names,abrahamic religions are 'good'/unafrican) yet says he is traditional following african,would you agree/disagree with him?...cos if your method of reasoning is used it means he is still tradition following..just saying..

There's a lot of mumbled words in your post making it difficult to squeeze a meaning out of it. I'd assume you are in a hurry typing and probably preparing for church or something. Anyway, back to the above:

As usual, you still miss the premise of my point, if someone chooses to do away with cellphones and cars and prefers the nomadic lifestyle, let's use a fulani for example, it does not in any way erode any of his tradition. He still remains a 100% fulani who enjoys his nunu. If he decides to use cellphones speak to his family members in other parts of Nigeria, practice modern day ranching and use cars to transport his cows to Lagos to make profit has any of this stopped him from being fulani?

But when the fulani man makes a rule to henceforth call himself Akinyode Akinjide and other members of his family a full yoruba name, prevent his kids from learning the fulani language and other related cultural activities that erode his identity. You know what that means for his people in the next 200 years.

murmee:
You need to know that Muslims mosques disturb the peace and quiet of people even more. What do you call that calling to prayer early in the morning with Loud speakers on roof tops? and it happens EVERYDAY! Christians don't do Vigil everyday.

Christians also wake people up every morning with their megaphones preaching! Remember this story below, here's an excerpt from the Vanguard.

Her husband, Olawale Elisha, who is also a pastor at RCCG, told journalists that his wife had gone out to preach in the neighbourhood at about 5am and never returned home. “ My wife always goes out early in the morning for ‘Morning Cry. ’ There was a particular day she went out and she told me that there is a mosque at the back where they commented about what she said. So I just cautioned her. “This morning (Saturday), she went around 5am and I was still in bed because we did vigil which she participated in for a while because of the ‘Morning Cry’ she planned to undertake.

Read more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/07/abuja-evangelist-murdered-preaching/

It is not a muslim vs christian debate. That Muslims disturb with loudspeakers does not make it right for the Christians either! Both parties are masters in the business of disturbing at night and are equally wrong!

I only came to confirm if a blog link is attached to the OP. Voila, it's right there! Bloggers be squeezing out what ever juice is left of the MMM traffic!

purple3091:
POINT 1:as one poster rightfully said this is simply about men being insecure [that just as he approaches other women his woman can be approached same] and jealousy[that a woman can easily get more intimacy partners than men]...therefore men created all sorts of myths about what would happen if she cheats among other terrible things created/done by men....POINT 2:i am idoma,did the kola tradition thing,do cheat on my husband and have for years,so nothing happens ,has happenned or will happen to me because like many african myths&traditions created by men,its a lie created to induce fear in woman!!!POINT 3: on the african tradition thing,if you are one of those believing in african traditions then please follow african tradition and discard all things un-african(like phones,modern clothes,internet,electricity,cars,books etc) or else you are a hypocrite and contradicting!do you agree?...the point about point 3 is if you claim to follow african tradition(s) then follow it all,dont pick & choose which parts to follow and which not to follow...

I am not quoting you based on your alleged unfaithfulness or otherwise, it's actually none of my business! I am quoting to correct your error of hasty generalisation or misleading opinion. Phones,modern clothes,internet,electricity,cars,books are not unafrican. I disagree completely. What is unafrican are objects/activities that encourage the dying out of previously held good African tradition and culture. The adoption of English/Arabic full names, the practice of Abrahamic religions, banning of the kids from learning or speaking the native tongue at home e.t.c are all actions that are Un-African.

There's nothing wrong in adopting other people's good inventions like Phones, internet, electricity, cars or books, Western cultures also adopt other peoples inventions, so long it does not erode your tradition. I do not see how using the internet or driving a car erode's ones tradition or make it less the tradition. Modern clothes that cover the body well can be also be adopted or modified. There are not harmful. The Japanese take their cultural practice serious but still wear modern day suits in the office. It does not reduce their tradition one bit. A Nigerian female banker will go to work in her suit but turn up at an owambe party on saturday in Ankara or Adire aso-ebi with her friends to celebrate. Traditional culture and practices are meant to evolve while discard the bad/unfriendly practices.

johnydon22:
Religious pilgrimage subsidy

The country subsidized dollars for pilgrims heading for the hajj at an unprecedented huge bite on the country’s coffers.
Religious pilgrimage just like tourism can be satisfying, beautiful and enlightening in many ways but just like tourism is a personal matter and not a matter deserving national importance at least not to the extent of being in our financial burden.

This is a country where there is hardly enough dollars for the business enterprise, the government is unforgiving to the business world in terms of forex policies not to talk of subsidizing dollar at an affordable rate to ease the pain of Nigerian business which as we know can directly or indirectly affect generally the Nigerian economy, but no we would rather import spirituality and in so doing keep enriching another nation.

This is the part that irks me the most. I work in the aviation sector and every year, most especially towards the later part of a year, I get to see huge number of pilgrims being airlifted to either Jerusalem or Mecca. Each state brings its sponsored pilgrims in buses for like a day or two through out this duration. These are the people the country subsidizes dollars for, to go and spend in hotels, restaurants and see Abrahamic religious places and past events. Their host countries smile to the bank (Saudi most especially)and economy boosted with the influx of dollars brought in and spent by these pilgrims daily while Nigeria is left with worthless religious memorabilia brought in by Pilgrims with the subsidized dollars like vials of Jerusalem sand that Jesus supposedly walked on. I am not an economist,so pardon my ignorance, of what use is a few grains of Jerusalem sand to Nigeria?

mazimee:
I don't know why Atheists find fun in picking on Christians more than they pick on their Muslims counter part for some obvious reasons we are all aware of. They don't believe in God fine, but they just won't stop going offensive on Christians with everything in their possession.

He's not an atheist, he is a hard-core traditionalist. Go back and read the write-up. And you got 75 likes for this, meaning 75 people who never READ the subject and must accuse the atheist. They must be really saying something that is causing doubt for you and getting into your skin for you to label this guy as one, when the OP clearly says HARDCORE TRADITIONALIST.
Christians also go on the offensive, infact theirs is a daily occurence and much physically worse, from intruding and burning other people's shrine who are minding their business to disturbing the sleep and peace of residents with loud speakers in the name of vigil at 2a.m.

NubiLove:
Even if he is an aethist.... he doesn't need to do this, it looks something only a m0ron would do.

He's not an atheist, he is a traditionalist. Go back and read the write-up.

Come on go and cover up with some good clothes

In other news, the Israeli government is smiling to the bank with the foreign dollars the Ekiti pilgrims have brought into their country in the name of tourism, thereby strengthening the Israeli economy. Score line: Israel 3 - Nigeria 0 .

hahn:
With the price of rice now, most people will eat yam for Christmas

Abakaliki (local) rice to the rescue, plastic rice is not a bad idea though!

Omooba77:
God will have mercy on Nigeria; aviation industry is about to collapse totally. How many people will be able to afford 70k for a trip, less patronage and you can imagine multiplier effects.

My brother, one would assume so but the multitude of passengers I saw at abuja airport departure lounge yesterday while waiting for my flight to Yola says otherwise. Some people even chose to stay in special vip lounge with free wifi like 9tysix. E be like recession no dey affect some Nigerians dem just dey talk am for mouth.

Oga better focus on NFF paying your salary forget jersey colour for now!

If my office make the mistake of transferring me to Lagos even at triple the posting allowance (which is a hefty sum), I will just go and beg my oga, lie down and roll on the floor to leave me in my present location. No kidding. I love my sanity. #Team.Abuja.Everyday

one4GOD:
I have lived my whole life in lagos though I am from the East but I can tell you, lagos is the only state that is working in Nigeria as we speak now. I just came back from a trip to Benin and imo state last week to see my peeps and all of those states have nothing to offer.

Madam, have you been to Calabar? Abuja? I can not come and be living in a place where I have to leave the house at 4:30 a.m just to get to work on time and still get home 10:30 p.m/11p.m. !

Evergreen4:
Na wa Oo, price of everything is hiking.

Price of data to be hiked


Price of passport to be hiked


Price of kerosene hiked


Price of petrol hiked


Babu and his family's lifestyle hiked

Meanwhile FG civil servants had various degrees of deduction from their November salaries! How that will that help combat with all these hike FG is dashing the citizens sef!

kindredspirit:
If this MMM thing is about GH and PH, as explained, dosent it mean that some Nigerians "lost" N18.765billion to other Nigerians? After all, these monies were being re-circulated amongst Nigerians, a re-distribution essentially. Thus, the said N18.765billion is in the hands of other Nigerians, for now.

Let them even tell us how they arrived at N18.765 billion.
1. Did Mavrodi himself give them(OP/blogger) the data showing how much he made from people's frozen mavro?
2. Was any survey conducted on participants who had their mavros frozen indicating the amount contributed?
3. Where are the results of the survey?

We would like some answers Olajide Fashikun, Collins Ajibola, Oluwole Francis and Sandra Onyekwere of gongnews!

I am interested in the Op or the blogger's source of stats/proofs/evidence that made him arrive at the conclusion that people lost over N18.675 billion naira. I am disappointed in the moderator that pushed such false info without verification to the frontpage!

These days if you want free traffic to your blog or 5 minutes fame, just add MMM as keyword and it will come pouring in.

Wow, I did it and saw the ghost of one of the greatest Badoos ever liveth in Nigeria. Sir Abacha!

Omudia11:
The problem is you don't know your problem. Go and read your first reply to me. It was very rude and you accuse me of calling you names? Do you know what uncouth means sir?

Again. You insult Christianity and Christians in general and if that's not rude, then I don't know what is.

Here is my first reply to you:

kevoh:
So why is the OP and many others on religion section in this habit? He got some likes too for his insults, which is proof that there are people who support him too. I will repeat what I said below:
[quote author=kevoh post=51903873]Keep it up OP, at this rate you will draw a lot of christians losing their faith back to christianity.

[/quote]Where is the insult in the quote above? The above was even a sarcastic advice to the OP that he is even leading more christians to atheism with his insults. I think you should take your advice below seeing that you just want to comment for comment's sake.

Omudia11:
The problem is you don't know your problem

I don't believe in all these how would you answer bla bla bla question in a job interview sesson. Who will get the job would still get the job! Infact, you can answer this particular question in a wrong manner and still get the job so long you can defend your reasons!

Omudia11:
You are uncouth and the same as the op you so crucify. Take care.

Lol... This is funny I have not even insulted any one in this thread or act ill-mannered and he/she is already calling me names. Christians sha!

Omudia11:
Bridle your toungue. No aspect of chriatianity encourages cursing. Say what you know.

So why is the OP and many others on religion section in this habit? He got some likes too for his insults, which is proof that there are people who support him too. I will repeat what I said below:

kevoh:
Keep it up OP, at this rate you will draw a lot of christians losing their faith back to christianity.

OneTruePrince:
How many of us here even watch DSTV? Apart from their sport and lets say news channels the rest can go to hell .
So nairaland be a good dear.

A lot of people watch Dstv despite its exorbitant price. There are other Channels that appeal to people that's why Dstv still had a strong customer base even when HiTV took over airing of Premiership.

It's sad! You have 14 posts since you joined NL, with about five or six of them already hidden. Your first post on Religion section and you are already insulting everyone! Pretty much explains what mordern christianity is all about! Keep it up OP, at this rate you will draw a lot of christians losing their faith back to christianity.

When skeptics were saying that he probably fell in there, Nairaland team of theists who do not like to use brain to question, analyze and test had to forcefully attribute it to spiritual.

Thank you channels TV.

Christian and their victim complex. Those words are still being used on TBN,EWTN and other DSTv christian religious channels. The censor is only on Africa Movie channel and the likes, not only christians watch these movie channels, some people of other faith might complain and its only fair and smart for DsTV not to lose its customers by staying neutral.

If you want to hear god and jesus go to christian channels if you would like to see christian films on DsTV you can pressurize DsTV to make one, the way they made igbo channel from pressure.

QuietHammer:
Sorry. I erroneously thought you said America has been to the moon after that

Alright bro

QuietHammer:
Man has been to the moon more than once? Please enlighten us

I do not understand your argument. Please expatiate! Has Man has not landed on the moon after the whole Neil armstrong saga?

Not a crime If the patients wants to be preached to. All hospitals in the UK have spiritual councillors, pastors and chapels to pray with 24/7 access. They can also request a priest/Rev/pastor at all times. That wasn't her role, not unless the patient requested it directly from her. Trust me, the disiplinary method within our NHS is long. She would have been called for 3 supervisions, verbal warnings, written warnings. This most likely would have been going on for a long time despite being warned. She probably got sacked due to several complaints from patients who didn't want to be prayed for or weren't interested. She had a professional and a clinical responsibility to her patients. It's heart breaking because I see a lot of African Christian nurses doing this. We can't impose our faith on people no matter how much we feel they need it. Oh dear.. Oh dear!

Good riddance! African Christians always putting their religion in your face at every opportunity but when they come up against a critic, they will be telling you to respect their religion. Once again, good riddance abeg!

Hoax or not! Man has been able to make it to the moon after that! That's a great achievement for man!