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[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=599800.msg7685954#msg7685954 date=1297112071]The violent riots that occurred throughout the Western region. I can understand the riots in the North, but in the Western region, they were totally uncalled for.[/quote]Violent Riots in western Region after Akintola and co were killed in 1966?

Bros Sir, Are you a Comedian?

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=599800.msg7685439#msg7685439 date=1297106900]The fact remains that Ahmadu Bello should not have been killed.


What I don't understand is why the West reacted in such a manner. Awolowo was freed so why the wahala? Opportunistic? [/quote]Like Katsumoto asked; What reaction? can you please clarify?

I agree with DK on Texas. I heard salary is probably not too high though, maybe that depends on what profession you are in, right, Oga DK?

And No:8 should seal the deal for any right thinking person in Amerikkuurr;

8. Guns are legal so no one can mess with you.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=597291.msg7684689#msg7684689 date=1297098949]I like the spirit of brotherhood shown here in the last few posts. . . but I'm not sure that they are good arguments for why Nigeria should remain one.

Who specifically is worse off if Nigeria divides? The problem I have with some of you optimists is that of the following three scenarios:

A) Current Nigeria
B) A strongly federalist Nigeria that is well-run
C) Several new states

You are somehow imagining that option B has more than a 5% chance of happening. Yes, B would be the best option, but given that it probably will not happen, why not explore option C, which is nearly as good (and certainly superior to Nigeria right now)?[/quote]A: Absolute nonsense, not working, it's foolish to continue with it, needs remodeling.

B: It can work, but it will take a benevolent, almost dictatorial leadership to jump start it and ensure it's sustained.

C: Do you mean (i)a confederation of nation states? Sovereign states within a Nigerian confederacy, different presidents, bound together by shared history, common but limited constitution/treaty with a few shared institutions I.e(military defense, money and foreign policy)?

OR

(ii) just states within present Nigeria with a common binding constitution, one president, same centrally controlled government like we already have?

I like c(i) it will be Revolutionary, I'll prefer that. It can work if the will is there. But the treaty must protect smaller ethnicities within each larger states e.g Yorubas cannot subjugate Itshekiris within their Sovereign state. Else other states are obligated to defend itshekiris.

^^My Nigerian brotha, n'est-ce pas une honte que nous parlons entre eux en français ?   

I think it's unfortunate we are communicating in French, when Igbo or Yoruba dey there

You must be ready to worship at my Ogun shrine though, at least once a week.

^ well the "sane" ones are currently ruling Nigeria shey?

SEFAGO:
^ Hmm, there is strength in our diversity, and drawing up one monolithic culture or national identity is not even remotely possible except all the igbos and hausas decide to start speaking yoruba and eating pounded yam from my own point of view.

Comprenez-vous?

I think we should keep our culture, keep our identity, keep our traditions, they are unique and beautiful in their own rights.

But we should also de-emphasize cultural and ethnic relations, we should encourage inter ethnic marriage, teaching kids about the cultures of other ethnic groups, and trying to emphasize that an individual should be judged and given positions based on merit and character as opposed to their ethnic affiliations.

Moreover, the Belgian problem- Flemish vs Frenchies is not really a tribal problem. Moreover, i was talking to this Belgian chick a few days ago and she was saying that the younger generation in belgium don't care too much about this crap.

LOl, I just finished reading your posts and we are essentially saying teh same thing. Nevertheless, I am still keeping my post because it took me sometime to write.

But I agree.

LOL, yea the more the merrier, we need to drown the pessimist nay sayers out!

I so agree with your words in bold.

I'm willing to compromise by learning Igbo, and allowing my kids to speak Hausa. If Igbo traders in China can learn Mandarin, I can definitely learn Ibibio.

I think most people think a cultural revolution will divide Nigeria and they see our English and European system as a unifying factor. I ask at what cost though?

We are as suspicious of each other as we were before 1914 and less proud of who we are. I want a change.

cheikh:
kilode?!


@kilode?!

I dont't think  "Pan-Europeanism" as exemplified by the[b] EU[/b] put a stop/ check against extremism or rabid nationalism/tribalism  etc amongst Europeans. It's more like a 'balance of terror' akin to the old 'East/West' era geopolitics. There's a common general awareness of each other's tribal strengths/weaknesses. Economic realities instead of mere tribal sentiments/affiliation have conspired to over-ride or subsume 'primitive'/ primordial  tendencies. 'Education' in the European context can be said to have benefitted the people immensely. Africa or more specifically Nigeria have never had the opportunity or luxury of proper education conducive/appropriate for nation building let alone adequate enough to function amongst comity of nations. The various ethnic nationalities of Nigeria may have 'national' culture but do we really have a 'National' culture/language or vocabulary that is identifiable? I believe it can be constructed if we are really serious about 'nation' building. Presently., it's profitable and less intellectually tasking to continue in our quasi-illiterate ways especially the ruling elite. Our educational system have not been scrutinised/analysed thoroughly. Late Tai Solarin came close to drawing attention to it, but as usual the ruling elite do not want to engage in intellectual discourse let alone [b]action.[/b] The ruling elite do not understand the full concept of Education as a tool for National cohesion etc. If they did, they'll not be proud to allow their children to school in Ghana and other places besides Nigeria.

This is just fresh air bro! and you are not alone too. I've argued this more than once on NL.

Although I usually argue for a broader cultural revolution, I will take a broad culture-based educational revival over the status quo.

Unfortunately, those with the power to change direction are largely in the elite, and it's not in their interest to remove the status quo for now. They and their kids go to school in the West afterall.

I have absolutely NO pity for you. It's girls like you that must have been mouthing the "good guys are boring, I love bad boys" crap that most of your type are guilty of. You dated him for 7 years and yet you claim not to know he had an 'alcohol problem'? Smh.
I wonder why you're complaining. You've got the 'bad boy' you've always wanted - having rejected the 'unadventurous', 'boring', 'nice guys' that must have been on your case years back when you were still single and available. So it is now that you realize that what you need is a nice guy that'll be 'boring' enough to always be at home with you and pay full attention to you? Confused lot.

HAHAHA. . . revenge of the nerds?!

Seriously though, you have a point.

I think he meant sign, not pass.

At a point, The FOI bill was actually passed by the HOA during the PDP-OBJ Administration, Baba Iyabo refused to sign it.

In March 2007, months to the end of his tenure as President, Olusegun Obasanjo refused to sign into law the Freedom of Information (FOI) bill, effectively killing, by an act of deliberate omission,one of the oldest billsof the 4th republic.


The FOI bill had first made its appearance in the National Assembly in October 1999, months after Mr. Obasanjo came to power. It would take five years before the House of Representatives passed it, and another two years before the Senate passed it.

http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Home/5647794-146/the_caged_freedom_bill__.csp

Now, That is one promise I can vote for!


I hope they can pull more opposition parties to their side though. It will be unfortunate if these ACN CPC people can't form a coalition to challenge PDP.

Just give them their MTV and their American Idol and their sleaszy Housewives of Hoville County, and it's all gravy. Fat and happy, y'all!

You betcha!

You forgot apple pie dinners and jacked up mud trucks plastered with faded old glory stickers. . .Hiyaa!

You gotta love ignorant stereotypes

fstranger6:
Seriously?

It must be high end ni o, no?

Yea the accommodation must be, not sure about the ashie though.

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=590933.msg7680763#msg7680763 date=1297050415]10k to do what? You mean private box at the stadium?  I think he was just gonna harass women party hardy at his house.[/quote]$10 for a one couple travel package, hotel and [size=5pt]I heard it comes with a personal "ashie" for the guy[/size]    

Hope springs eternal.  lol

If Barack wins a second term, I'll eat my hat.  Not gonna happen!

fstranger6:
^^

Second term doesnt look quite good for him

Very unfortunate

I agree. I think his chances are slim. A week in politics is like 100 years though, anything can change his prospects [like invading Iran] Americans love warriors!

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=590933.msg7680506#msg7680506 date=1297045128]Are you hanging out with DK?  Oh, never mind.  His invitation said his Superbowl party was gonna be ladies only, except for him. Ugh. [/quote]PACKERS WON XLV 2011!!

I know very little about the game myself, LOL @Oga DK, I'm certain he can afford the $10K ticket for himself. . .Not sure he'll have enough left for his ladies though. .Just saying, ain't hatin 

O'Reilly is a rage-ha-holic.  I used to watch him regularly.  Been a while.  He actually behaved himself with Obama.  He wasn't going to give us the full O'Reilly, since he is interviewing the president, in the White House.  He also desperately wants to regularly get interviews with influentional and truly famous people.  You should have seen him when he got an interview with Rosie O'Donnell a few years ago.  O'Donnel for Pete's sake! 

He can be entertaining though, oftentimes unwittingly.  I once saw a show where he was turning red while yelling at a Newspaper publisher, and immediately turned apologetic when the man asked him, "Why are you yelling"?  He lowers his pitch and says, "Yes, I'm sorry, that was not necessary," and continued right on with the interview a little chastened and more composed. Very interesting guy. 

P.S. Don't know if Obama deserves "a break."  I promise to seriously consider it though.

O'Reilly; I don't take him too seriously, he's a rabble-rouser. He's still better than Limbaugh; I think that one is a talentless racist comedian masquerading as a Political pundit.

Y'all need to give my bro some break, he's kinda slow to act though. I agree. He needs to grow stronger balls, maybe after he wins the second term he will.

^^ I'm struggling to feel the Super Bowl excitement. BEP just rocked Half-time though with all the lights and neon glow, now that was worth it kinda.

BTW, I think O'silly was condescending, they need to give that brotha a break.

fstranger6:
You are very welcome

NL is one big family

We love to ignore our problems and solve someone else's

Any other problem, please feel free to come back and ask for our input.

And may you always have reasons to come back here. Amen!

Warrior! Walahi you go kill pesin for NL one day, LOOOOOOL

duplicate

Folks, Is it also possible that the message carried by Largema was intended for Balewa?

I'm wondering why Sardauna sent this secret "catalyst" message to Ironsi, thereby by-passing Civilian Tafawa Balewa or some other influential Northern military top gun. Was Ironsi that respected and trusted by Sardauna or I'm just misunderstanding history. I've not read Max Siollun's book BTW.

cheikh:
kilode?!


@kilode?!

Pan-Africanism as I understand it cannot solve any of the above bolded^. I don't think Pan-Africanism precludes 'nationalist' or 'ethnic' self determination, given prevailing/unfolding tendencies - e.g. in the Sudan, Congo DRC, Ethiopia, South Africa and Nigeria.etc. Pan-Africanism in my humble opinion is an incomplete/unfinished idealistic concept/idea most good natured Africans will desire for different reasons etc. The reality of our Africa of today is different and perhaps sad.

Seems it's working for them in Europe. I know it's not exactly the same concept, but "Pan-Europeanism" as exemplified by the EU, seem like a check against extreme nationalism or extreme ethnic-ism, despite this Belgium problem.

I do agree with you though that the reality in Africa is different.

The various ethnic groups within African Nations seem more fragmented. Their cultural differences and languages less articulated and more disorganized probably due to the effects of European imperialism and the way they cut African Nations up. It's interesting to see these same tribal issues in Europe. They ain't all that different after all.

It wants a decisive shift of powers to Flanders, and makes little secret of its wish to see Belgium “evaporate” within the EU. Danny Pieters, the N-VA president of the Belgian Senate, says he sees no need for a Flemish army: one day Belgian forces will be part of a European one. For the N-VA, Europe is the acid that will help to dissolve Belgium.

Strangely, perhaps, this same erosion of sovereignty is seen as an antidote to violent nationalism. European integration overcame the historic enmity between France and Germany. Ireland’s entry into the EU helped to end the worst of Northern Ireland’s sectarian war.

Jarus:
I have been an open supporter of Sanusi's policies so far and I have voiced out my opinions here and in other places, including newspaper pages.
On relationship with IMF, IBRD etc, I think he has mellowed down a bit. Having read the articles written by the activist Sanusi in the years 1998-2003 where he always flayed these institutions, I think he has toned down on his criticism. Of course, this is understandable, being the country's economic manager now, it will not speak well of him to openly criticize IMF, IBRD etc. He will need them, even if caution has to be the watchword.

That sounds sensible, show he's not fanatical about his views. As long as he continues to act with integrity, we might just have a longterm gem in that office. I've read a lot of his cultural-ideological treatise, but less of the economic ones.

Na these looter-politicians dey worry me with how they always try to remove decent public servants from their posts i.e Ayo Salami. I'll see how long Sanusi will last without compromising.

Strangely, perhaps, this same erosion of sovereignty is seen as an antidote to violent nationalism.

Maybe that is what we need in Africa. Can Pan-Africanism solve the ethnic, nationalist, sectarian divide we often see here? dunno.

Gbawe:
To be honest , Atiku is the proverbial Pot calling the kettle black but it is saddening how certain indoctrination and inobjective thinking prevents many Nigerians from seeing what is terribly obvious about GEJ from his many unprincipled , indolent and near criminal actions. If he wins , I predict boldly that his government will be the biggest congregation of criminals and looters Nigerians will have ever seen. It will be a free-for-all scramble to loot our coffers with previously unseen brazeness encouraged by Jonathan's weak leadership. We all see the legislative gangsterism OGD is getting away with. 9 lawmakers impeach 15 and till today sycophants continue to go around making untenable excuses for this pathetic situation that should only be seen in Somalia and other failed nations. those who have 'helped' Jonathan gain victory will simply go around behaving as criminally as possible . they know that their behaviour , however objectionable, will go unpunished . Just ask Senator folarin who has now walked away from a murder charge , free to continue his political career , courtesy of GEJ's desperation.

I agree he's a pot calling the kettle black, at the risk of sounding self-righteous I'll also say we have too many "shiny" kettles that ain't doing shittt in Nigeria!!

Yes, we have a ruling class that lacks integrity. I'm not just speaking about politicians. I'm talking intellectuals, religious leaders, Community leaders, Trade union leaders, cultural leaders, business leaders and the whole tribe of elites from all corners of Nigeria. Political expediency and a lazy appeal to base instincts rules in my country and we all encourage it with silence.

I don't know whether Folarin killed that man or not, but reports clearly showed he was murdered right there in public. Where is the outrage?

Jonathan has repeatedly failed to address the massive insecurity in Jos, where is the outrage?

We have reports about massive corruption in the oil sector by the same PDP goons, including damning allegations of bribery and open extortion. where is the outrage?

We have political parties (ruling and opposition ) conducting massive bribe induced primaries, with nepotism elevated to something of a political right. Where is the outrage?

We are a conquered people, culturally, politically, and even mentally. If those who are supposed to be the enlightened and educated class in Nigeria won't say nothing, what do we expect the ignorant masses to do?

Our best and brightest are failing our people, That, to me, is the greatest injustice in Nigeria today.

The struggle against global capital as represented by the unholy trinity of the IMF, the World Bank and multilateral “trade” organizations as well that against  the entrenched domestic class of contractors, commission agents and corrupt public officers were vicious  and thus required extreme measures.

I find Sanusi's thoughts and concerns about the influence of global financial organisation(IMF, World Bank) very interesting.

I will like to know how he relates with those multilateral financial organisations now that he's CBN Governor. He sounded so suspicious and sometimes dismissive when he referred to them in the first article especially.

It's interesting to read a sitting CBN Governor express those views. I wonder how much influence they and their sympathizers within Nigeria have on Sanusi and how much resistance he puts up.

Jarus, any thoughts on Sanusi's Governorship and his relationship with IMF, WB  and co?

Mr. Atiku alleges that the respective state governors were on hand to pressure the delegates into voting for their principal, and some of that, says Mr. Abubakar was even captured on television. And to cap it, he said the president paid money in bribes to each delegate to buy their votes. “President Jonathan doled out seven thousand dollars to each of the delegates, thus using financial inducement to make them vote for him.”

Atiku don vex

Goalllllllllllllllllllll too much liver!!!!!!!!!!!

Torres = No shine

So no honour among thieves again? SMH

Atiku now wanna be snitching? SMH

Wale Fatade

February 6, 2011 07:28AM
   
Former vice president, Atiku Abubakar, has hit hard at President Goodluck Jonathan, describing him as a brazen election rigger and ‘bribe giver’. Mr. Abubakar said the January 13 presidential primary of the Peoples Democratic Party was a sham characterised by deliberate manipulation and underhand tactics. He has therefore asked the Independent National Electoral Commission to cancel the election and reject Mr. Jonathan’s candidature for the forthcoming presidential election.

In an 8-page petition, dated January 27 and addressed to the commission’s chairman, Attahiru Jega, the former vice-president accused the president of colluding with party’s state governors and the other leaders of the PDP to rig the election. He is now asking that the primary be cancelled.

Mr. Abubakar’s accusations are coming to linght barely 24 hours after he caused his campaign organisation to issue a statement expressing his willingness to dialogue with, and possibly reconcile with the president.

But responding to questions from NEXT, the spokesperson to the Atiku campaign, Garba Shehu, said his principal’s conciliatory statement and the petition before INEC were consistent. “Our position is not contradictory. The Northern Political Leaders Forum sponsored Atiku into the election. So the NPLF only responded to the pressure being mounted on Atiku by saying if the president wants a dialogue, he should come to them. It is strictly not an Atiku speech. Our petition before INEC will remain there. We are not withdrawing it.”

What is clear is that with the damaging petition he has filed with the electoral commission, the former vice-president and the president will not be embracing as friends soon. Shortly after the primaries, Mr. Abubakar claimed he was travelling to London to rest after a hectic campaign. But it now appears that the former vice-president spent his days away from public view compiling a massive document filled with accusations of bribery, intimidation, and rigging by Mr. Jonathan, the leadership of the PDP, state governors, and other supporters of the incumbent president during the presidential primary. “The party leadership and the presidency carefully planned and executed the monumental rigging of the presidential primary on January 13, 2011,” Mr. Abubakar said in the petition signed on his behalf by Ben Obi, the Director-General of his campaign organisation. “We call on INEC to jettison the result of the said primary and cancel same as having not been conducted in accordance with the provisions of the extant Electoral Act 2010, PDP Constitution 2009, and the PDP Electoral Guidelines for Primary Elections 2010.”

Tons of accusations

Mr. Abubakar’s petition to INEC, which was exclusively obtained by NEXT, lists series of actions, which he considers fraudulent, adopted by the president and his supporters to clinch victory in the primary. Indeed, the former vice-president alleges that a grand plan had been put in place to ensure Mr. Jonathan’s success by illegal means even before the election began. “The process leading to the conduct of the presidential primary election was programmed to yield a pre-determined outcome. A grand conspiracy against Atiku Abubakar was constructed between the presidency, the party leadership and the bulk of the PDP state governors to produce only one result - the success of Jonathan at the primary election,” the letter states.

Mr. Abubakar complained about almost every aspect of the primary. He faulted the composition of the National Convention and the Presidential Screening Committees, saying it was done in secrecy and had members who are ‘outrightly hostile’ to him. In this category, the former vice-president lists Godswill Akpabio, Adebayo Alao-Akala, Theodore Orji, and Sule Lamido, governors of Akwa Ibom, Oyo, Abia and Jigawa states respectively, as his chief antagonists who were included in these committees.

According to him, these governors are the ‘chief financiers’ of Mr. Jonathan’s campaign in their various states and therefore deeply committed to the president and their inclusion in the committees placed Mr. Atiku at a disadvantage.

Mr. Atiku further alleged that the PDP hid the identities of the committee members from him, an action he says contravenes the party’s guidelines for conducting primary elections. He further said that complaints made to the National Chairman of the PDP went unanswered.

Taking care of the delegates

Mr. Abubakar also provided new details of how the delegates for the primary emerged and how they were allegedly coerced into voting for the president. Not only were the delegates bribed by Mr. Jonathan, says the former vice-president, they were also threatened and carefully monitored to ensure that they cast their votes for the incumbent president. The former vice-president says that he had no knowledge of who the official delegates were up until the voting began and that he was denied access to the delegates and could therefore not sell his candidature to them. The governors were allegedly used for this purpose. “The accreditation of delegates was done in secrecy at state liaison offices in Abuja. In fact, state governors imprisoned delegates against their will at these locations throughout the night before the primary and bussed them to the venue of the convention the following day. It is clear that PDP state governors were under intense pressure from the presidency not to allow Atiku Abubakar to meet the delegates from their states,” the letter says, zeroing in on the governor of Akwa Ibom state.

“He [Godswill Akpabio] blocked all avenues for Akwa Ibom State delegates to meet with our aspirant. He even went as far as threatening any of them who dared to meet with Atuku Abubakar,” Mr. Abubakar says of the state where he got none of the 141 votes.

In the case of the Jigawa and Adamawa states’ delegates, Mr. Atiku alleges that the respective state governors were on hand to pressure the delegates into voting for their principal, and some of that, says Mr. Abubakar was even captured on television. And to cap it, he said the president paid money in bribes to each delegate to buy their votes. “President Jonathan doled out seven thousand dollars to each of the delegates, thus using financial inducement to make them vote for him.”

The spokesman for the PDP, Rufai Alkali, did not respond to messages and phone calls made to him in an effort to get his reaction to the allegations. However, after several phone calls and text messages, Sully Abu, the spokesperson for the president’s campaign, responded to NEXT enquiries thus: ‘‘ What is his evidence. Nigerians have a right to expect him to show more grace in such obvious defeat rather than play the spoiler in the nation’s democratic process.”

On its part, the electoral commission didn’t have much to say about the petition. Kayode Idowu, Chief Press Secretary to the INEC Chairman, said in a telephone interview with NEXT in Abuja that the electoral commission is currently very busy. “Whatever petition the commission receives, it looks into. The petition will be looked into. But for now, we are engrossed with the challenges of completing the voters registration,” he said.


http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/News/Metro/Politics/5673125-146/atiku_abubakar_asks_electoral_commission_to.csp


Is Atiku Playing his last card? I thought they were in negotiations? abi deal fell through ni? 

Interesting videos, You can practically transport the interviewed journalist(Gabriel Fagbore?) to February 2011 and his comments will fit today's realities to the teeth.

I'm curious; why did the narrator specifically refer to the Northern Region as the "Mighty North" ?

And as to Ironsi, that man clearly looked uncomfortable and sounded too careful for a mastermind, dunno

fstranger6:
^^^

Are you really a Sango + Ogun worshipper for real?

Warrior, no, I'm not a worshipper yet, I just believe and respect their place in Yoruba mythology.  



@isalegan, ok I'll take it, but not gonna post the result though. I'm ok with the MPD results I have on here.