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dayokanu:I blame adeNIKE oMINAJu's grandfather for the confusion, but we cannot be deceived, we can see the Oyo endowment she carries around. You forgot to mention Omowale Malekomi X and MATINmi omoLUDA King (Oba) a.k.a MLK. I heard his grandfather was from the Timi of Ede royal family. |
^^Oga DK, can we trade Lady Gaga for Nicki Minaj? I heard she's Igbo from Umuahia or Obosi and her grandfather started Minaj TV. She's endowed. I propose we give Lady Gaga up and take that fine gal(I heard they want to sell her to Benue people and acquire the Williams sisters from OYO) We must be fast. ![]() Ultimately I'll defer to your better negotiation skills. |
^^ haha I was just encouraging a brotha maybe she will tame the warrior ![]() |
[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=607521.msg7755783#msg7755783 date=1298045501]Hey! Either the original author is smoking the good s#*t or there is something to this. As they say, there is nothing new under the sun. Anything is possible, but I never heard this before. We must look at it further: 1) We need Katsumoto, Kilode, Aigbofa and any of our Yoruba/Nigeria historians; 2) I will be talking to my Awori mom in a couple of hours; will ask her if she ever heard that the Ijaw/Ijo people settled Eko. I don't mind at all. We are all one. [img]http://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/image/design/3313014/type/png/width/280/height/280[/img][/quote]No mind that writer, the Ilajes, Mahins and their Ikale cousins trace their origin to Ile-Ife. I'll let the Ikales, Mahins and co speak to it. I'm certain they will want to say one or two things to this Ijaw brother. Ilajes, Mahins and the people of Ugbonla and surrounding communities are not Ijaws. But they are used to these claims though, they've been protecting the O'dua Southern Seaboard for eons. fierce people! If den catch this killayut, e no go funny o ![]() Hopefully one of them will log on here. |
seanet02:LOL Yes, Odua Tokan Tokan. Quote is from one of Olanrewaju Adepoju's Ewi songs. |
PhysicsRND:Sometimes I wonder about Murtala's assassination. Maybe it was orchestrated from outside Nigeria by those unsettled by this foreign policies. I'm wary of conspiracy theories, but I always wonder maybe there's more to that assassination than we already know. |
fstranger3: fstranger3:LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL ![]() So, is this the Ethnic Draft of 2011? Is Sophie Oluwole from Edo? I will give up OBJ for that Woman. Carry on with the Ethnic Draft ![]() |
I'm not an expert at all, let me offer my opinion based on what I know. [quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=606285.msg7752092#msg7752092 date=1297999397]Do you know why Nigeria was so involved in SA?[/quote]I believe we got involved because we wanted to support the black liberation anti-apartheid movement in SA and other African countries. We had a large population, we had a somewhat respectable reputation early on. We had petro dollars rolling in with little ideas on what use it for(my opinion). It was very reasonable to support ANC since we got our independence from the British on the back of popular self-rule agitation in Nigeria. (no bloody conflict though) But some scholars think Nigeria played both sides in Africa by diplomatically aligning herself with western powers on one hand while supporting liberation and sometimes marxism inspired groups in Africa. Angola is a good case study for this where we switched support from one group to another during the Angolan crisis. what was our motive beside the regular "wanting to rid SA of injustice"?I Think I addressed that in my analysis above. We wanted to forge a united pro Africa front through the OAU and also solidify our position as an emerging African powerhouse. But we never really articulated it well. Also I think our failure to pursue an economic/political hegemony policy made us look weak and unserious. Our world responds to power. We failed to project power and subsequently lost influence. what kind of relationship did we have with SA during apartheid era? how did this relationship change post apartheid?We had a good relationship with the ANC not with the White nationalist ruling party of course, I believe we still have a good relationship with the old elements in the ANC, but not with the general SA population. The economic crisis we fell into in the 80s changed Nigeria's fortune IMO, many Nigerians migrated to SA and other countries where we quickly acquired an unflattering reputation. Nobody likes desperate immigrants. We did not reap the benefits of our early investments in an Africa focused foreign policy, we wasted money and political capital. Also, I believe countries value you as much as you value your population. Messing up our own country did not help our cause and image at all ![]() when you become less lazy. pls do a more comprehensive postI'm still lazy ![]() Also it's now at a stage where you will need professional perspective. I'll recommend Toyin Falola's A History of Nigeria or go on an electronic resource library and do a search for Nigerian foreign policy. |
This thread kinda made my heart glad. hmm, Maybe be can seize the hegemonic initiative and massively propagate our ideas, taste and worldview one day. . . ![]() |
^^ Haba Warrior, o de se suuru, Your brute force toasting na wah ![]() [quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=606285.msg7751884#msg7751884 date=1297994272]wow. a post without insults. i'm happy why was SA at war with Nigeria? I think our diplomacy is weak. maybe it was stronger in the past.[/quote]let me see if I can do a little summary of what I know and can remember, I'm sure there are better people on here. We were not "at war" with SA per se, but with the apartheid regime that kept Black South Africans down. You see, Nigeria, although ruled by those we can call despotic leaders, Ironically had a foreign policy in the 60s and 70s that saw her acting in support of several liberation movements across Africa. The Obasanjo regime supported Mandela's ANC for example, We provided millions of dollars, intelligence, and accommodation for oppressed and exiled Black leaders of the ANC. Mr Thabo Mbeki the former SA President was at a point living in Nigeria during the struggle and fully supported by the Nigerian government. I think we gave out millions in aid to Namibia too and one or two African countries had a Nigerian acting as their Chief Justice at a point. We were very involved. We had some ok foreign policy ideas early on, but maybe because they were not rooted in strong idealistic foundations, we failed to use our leverage to secure a better, stronger position for ourselves in Africa. We will get there though I believe so. I'm too lazy to do a more comprehensive post now, but you can actually google a lot of our past Foreign/Africa policy exploits and learn more. sometimes I wish nairaland had experts. people you can learn from/ look up to.That is a very sad statement. Sorry you feel that way. |
loma:I tell you bro, Naijas are just an unlucky bunch, our yahoo-yahoo no reach India, Chinese or Pakistani own. Unfortunately for us, we make too much noise about little little things so we get labeled as "masters". The Paki and India people are sure cranking up their yahoo-yahoo e-mail list ![]() Anyway, I gave 2 votes earlier, Walahi, I go slap the next yahoo-yahoo boy I meet if una no enter top 10 ![]() |
Tunmi:I agree. I'm so glad you understand Yoruba. Yio da fun o! @Stranger, My job is now done. Alarena mi ti yeba! |
One of the prominent Nigerians employed by Pfizer, Mr. Gowon, was apparently so determined to get a favourable settlement for Pfizer that he, against what must have been his better judgement, let his tongue loose.I'm not sure I will ever forget that comment attributed to Gowon. A former Leader of our people! America's first president, George Washington can say that about other people, maybe, but I doubt he ever said anything like that about his own people. The evil Adolf Hitler can say that about others or even act it out. I doubt he will say that about those he saw as his glorified Aryan people. As a people, we have issues. . . IMO, until we fundamentally deal with those issues we cannot get the Africa we want. |
^ Ha! o paaro rara, emi ro pe iwo o s'akiyesi tele ni. Sugbon omo yen fe jo omoluabi sha o, ko rora pelu e, ko ma lo sa fun e. 'Danwo lo bi iya okere! mura ti kia kia eleyi ta n so Yoruba yii, ko ma lo ro pe illiterate ni wa sha o ![]() |
The minister posited that the unfortunate occurrence “reminded us again that sometimes even at the best moments, the enemy is always lurking around.Enemies? Winches or wetin? Wetin this minister dey talk? |
fstranger3:Onijongbon parau ni e walahi ![]() |
If you've ever read a post on NL and wondered; "has this poster ever read a book before in their life?" Vote ! If some NL replies make you appreciate the benefits of proper reading comprehension, Vote! If you've ever been denied the chance to vote by political thugs in your village, revenge here by voting! (hopefully they will find a book and quit thuggery) If you think your local Naija politician needs to learn how to reason effectively, vote so we can get books to your village before una produce another Blank! If you believe knowledge empowers, Vote! Finally, if you think I need to get a life and quit trolling a decent thread, please vote and help me get smarter, we no get library for my village! |
six families of deceased leaders and two families of deceased Vice-Presidents.Wetin be this? So families now inherit the "pension" largess? I thought they stop paying pension to civil servants at their death. Which families? They can't find work ni? |
[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=604661.msg7746072#msg7746072 date=1297926445]^-- Lol, right in the middle of reading it. Was just about to post the following image, Table 1: http://i51.tinypic.com/ie0ccj.png Breaks down the results of the various surveys over time. Prof Sam Aluko seems to have more faith in the 1950-1953 total pop #s than the 1963 #s. One of these other guys made a case for the 1950-1953 result undercounting, or something, though (will dig up the criticism in a bit.) Thing is, if you use the 1963 # of 55.66 million and the 2006 # of ~140 million, you get an annual growth rate of 2.168%. Which seems extremely low for a 3rd world country like Nigeria over that period of time. 2.5% minimum is the smallest I'd guess over that time period. So Aluko's case for the 1963 #s being grossly inflated seems solid (unless we either believe that Nigeria's pop was more than 140 million as of 2006, or the country had a very small growth rate. I don't believe either of these things personally.) On the other hand, if you use the 1950-1953 # of 30.42 million, and assume 30.42 mil in 1963, then you get a growth rate of 2.92%. Which seems pretty reasonable overall for Nigeria. This is actually getting sort of fun, lol.[/quote]Ok so we already know the British don't know how to count and they passed the disease to us. ![]() I can see how the North can have those huge numbers due to the different ethnic groups classified as a monolithic north. I'm not sure I buy the current state by state break down though. How come western region showed such a huge percentage gain in '63? Was it a jump in birth rate? or the numbers were earlier understated due to cultural push-backs(folks avoiding headcount for superstitious reasons) Same can be said for the east, though not as huge as the West in % increase between 1953-1963, Ok, It's getting sort of fun for you? LOL you are a real nerd bro! Hopefully I can join the fun back when I wake up. |
^^ You should read this; How Many Nigerians? An Analysis of Nigeria's Census Problems, 1901-63, Author: S. A. Aluko Source: The Journal of Modern African Studies, Vol. 3, No. 3 (Oct., 1965), pp. 371-392 He actually made the assertion at a point that our whole population estimate in Nigeria is totally wrong and maybe we are not anywhere as populated as we claim. I don't think we know how many we are at all, it got interesting when he basically rubbished the population census done by the British as early as the 1800s, the 1920s through to the late 50s LOL. The Government Statistician commented that there was goodMaybe our population is exactly as it's claimed, maybe not. You can read more in the article. Nigeria is confusing. . . |
[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=604661.msg7745561#msg7745561 date=1297911713]^-- Cool! Yeah I'm still in the office so have JSTOR access. I'll download and read that one, as well as any others you might suggest. I came across this one: http://afraf.oxfordjournals.org/content/87/349/553.full.pdf[/quote]Yea, I saw that article too, This one on Kano is very interesting; Kano: A Sudanese Metropolis, Derwent Whittlesey; Geographical Review, Vol. 27, No. 2 (Apr., 1937), pp. 177-19 It listed the Kano City population(I'm thinking metro) as 89,000+ in 1932, That was large if you consider that period. This other work:The Growth of Residential Districts in Ibadan : Akin Mabogunje: Geographical Review, Vol. 52, No. 1 (Jan., 1962), pp. 56-77 recorded the population of Ibadan as 387,000+ in 1931 Now, keep in mind, Prof. Akin Mabogunje is Yoruba while the other Geographer was British. Don't know if that means anything considering Mabogunje's respectable professional pedigree, but I may be biased though ![]() Also, I'm not sure exactly if I should interpret Ibadan as meaning the metropolis or not, I know the Kano estimate of 1932 was for the main walled city as explained by the British guy Interesting stuff. eku_bear, now, can you do that your math Magic and crunch the estimate for us? ![]() (a 3% population growth seems conservative to me though) @stranger, I enjoyed that Fela video, I tell ya, Nigeria is owned by some people, we just need to beg them to make their shares public, we sef wan buy ![]() |
[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=604661.msg7745302#msg7745302 date=1297904604]Hrm. Will dig into this data a bit more later tonight. Does anyone have previous census data broken down by zone or region? Or what is a good place to find this sort of data?[/quote]Try this title: Military Rule and Population Issues in Nigeria, Author: Aderanti Adepoju Source: African Affairs, Vol. 80, No. 318 (Jan., 1981), pp. 29-47 We've had Several academic research works done on the obvious population falsification that's been going on in Nigeria since the early 60s You can use Jstor if you have the access. I'm not sure if I can post the particular article due to copyright issues, and NL spambot, But I got this info from the journal. STATES '63 in Mil '73 in Mil %change North East 7,793 15,380 6"8 Kano 5,775 10,900 6"4 North West 5,734 8,500 3"9 North Central 4,098 6,790 5 1 Benue Plateau 4,009 5,170 2.5 Kwara 2,399 4,640 6.6 West 9,488 8,920 -0.62 Lagos 1,444 2,470 5.4 Mid-West 2,536 3,240 2.5 East Central 7,228 8,060 1.1 South East 3,526 3,460 -0.51 Rivers 1,545 2,230 3.7 Source: Extracted from the Daily Times, Friday 10 May, 1974 p. 1. (via African Affairs article above) As you can see from the table, The SW, SE and most of the non core North regions decreased dramatically(to say the least) from 1963 to 1973. those regions recorded negative percentages LOL. It's like people moved out of the SE and SW Mind boggling really! The discrepancies were protested by leaders in the south according to the 1981 article, but it stood, and it was encouraged by our military rulers after that. Read the journal and search for others works too. IMO, Nigeria is probably the only geographical area on earth where human population decreases as you get closer to the sea. Now, I do not have conclusive evidence, but my take is that we have a huge population robbery going on in Nigeria. probably for sinister political power reasons since the late 50's to early 60's. My country is an interesting case-study really. |
You see, I started posting this satellite picture first on nigeria villagesquare, before moving to nairaland. Nuhu ribadu uses villagesquare. He saw the pictures. The reason I stop using NVS is that I think the owner has relationship who are northerners and he block information.Becomrich, are you also the poster called "forshow3" on NVS? na wa o. |
Dang! I should have added 3 more votes ![]() I blame me and those "please help us marry in the snow by force" Oyinbo couple on that site. Cheesy, mushy mushy oyinbo ![]() Sorry jare. better luck next year. |
^Ase! Ok, Since you don't drink palmy, I will pour it as libation to my ancestors ![]() We will get there bro, thanks. |
cheikh:I owe you a gourd of palm wine. |
ola olabiy:You are right. Unfortunately, we will continue to allow them, because our world is based on their system. Our beliefs and contemporary religions and education is at their behest. The prevailing philosophies running our world are according to their interpretation. We are consumers of culture, we stopped being creative contributors a long time ago. That is my take. We need to have more than a mental connection to the solutions, we need our emotions, our culture to connect with it, IMO, we lack that, we are going through an alien route to understand our issues, until we bring our minds back home and connect our abhorrence for inequality and corruption to our culture emotionally, we will continue to walk in the dark, that is a summary of my thoughts. These things are a bit too deep, a little too difficult to flesh out within the constraints of NL, like cheik explained, we have deep serious issues. Things may not change until we address them. Edit: 2nd paragraph clarification |
@cheik: You are my e-kin! may you continue to increase in knowledge. I have one or two essay-like posts on NL that mirrors yours almost word for word. Olabiy, bro I Dont Blame westerners, not at all! I don't do that blame westerners thing. My post is about us and how we value and see ourselves and what we can do to change. I don't do blame the west games, I've had people say the same "we have to stop blaming westerners" after reading some of my posts, I Like westerners, they are doing it right! I think you need to read my comment on a similar issue(link below) I agree Nigeria is not Angola but the similarities calls for the same kind of reflection as explained by cheik, that is my point really. I'm not blaming whitie, they are pursuing their right to survive. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=590472.msg7583517#msg7583517 Edit with link. |
^^ sir, there is very little difference between most African leaders and those foreign exploiters. They were born, raised, schooled, cultured, to disrespect most things authentically African, name it: our religion, culture, language, philosophy, color. They don't see any of those as valuable. That is the core issue. They don't value their own people, they look down on us as much as the white man does. I repeat; You can't invest in or empower what you don't believe in. Except you are a drooling fo.ol. |
ola olabiy:Yeah, time ran out long ago though. We should be in damage control restoration mode right now. But we are still confused. On capital flight, people don't put their money in what they don't believe in, they don't believe what they can't understand. Oyinbo can't keep their capital with us. I can't blame them. They understand power games, they need to empower their own so out goes the capital they milk from us. |
^^ I won't care if he stays Marxist, as long as he can empower his own people. Any ideology that keeps your own people weak is a fail in my eyes, there are enough people on earth to exploit, but keep your own people empowered. Africans need their own manifest destiny philosophy. |
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maybe she will tame the warrior 
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