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Politics › Re: Great/famous People From Your State! by Kilode1: 7:36pm On Feb 18, 2011
dayokanu:
Dont mind AdeNIKE Ominaju aka Nicki Minaj

We can trade Ganiya Oseni for AdeNIKE Ominaju.

Who else from Oyo State. Biliaminu Agatu aka Bill Gates, Mukaila Jimoh aka Michael Jackson, Wasiu Biobaku aka Warren Buffet
I blame adeNIKE oMINAJu's grandfather for the confusion, but we cannot be deceived, we can see the Oyo endowment she carries around.

You forgot to mention Omowale Malekomi X and MATINmi omoLUDA King (Oba) a.k.a MLK. I heard his grandfather was from the Timi of Ede royal family.
Politics › Re: Great/famous People From Your State! by Kilode1: 6:38pm On Feb 18, 2011
^^Oga DK, can we trade Lady Gaga for Nicki Minaj? I heard she's Igbo from Umuahia or Obosi and her grandfather started Minaj TV. She's endowed.

I propose we give Lady Gaga up and take that fine gal(I heard they want to sell her to Benue people and acquire the Williams sisters from OYO) We must be fast. cheesy

Ultimately I'll defer to your better negotiation skills.
Politics › Re: Southern Sudan Seeks Nigeria’s Support by Kilode1: 6:17pm On Feb 18, 2011
^^ haha I was just encouraging a brotha cool maybe she will tame the warrior cool
Politics › Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by Kilode1: 6:05pm On Feb 18, 2011
[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=607521.msg7755783#msg7755783 date=1298045501]Hey!  Either the original author is smoking the good s#*t or there is something to this.  As they say, there is nothing new under the sun.

Anything is possible, but I never heard this before. 

We must look at it further:
1) We need Katsumoto, Kilode, Aigbofa and any of our Yoruba/Nigeria historians;
2) I will be talking to my Awori mom in a couple of hours; will ask her if she ever heard that the Ijaw/Ijo people settled Eko. 

I don't mind at all.  We are all one.

[img]http://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/image/design/3313014/type/png/width/280/height/280[/img][/quote]No mind that writer, the Ilajes, Mahins and their Ikale cousins trace their origin to Ile-Ife.

I'll let the Ikales, Mahins and co speak to it. I'm certain they will want to say one or two things to this Ijaw brother.

Ilajes, Mahins and the people of Ugbonla and surrounding communities are not Ijaws.

But they are used to these claims though, they've been protecting the O'dua Southern Seaboard for eons. fierce people! If den catch this killayut, e no go funny o grin

Hopefully one of them will log on here.
Politics › Re: Nigerian's Missing Battalion - 5000 Nigerian Soldiers Fought In Angola-1976/77 by Kilode1: 9:35am On Feb 18, 2011
seanet02:
this your signature no go kill person. You must be a home breed YORUBA man. Like that
LOL Yes, Odua Tokan Tokan.

Quote is from one of Olanrewaju Adepoju's Ewi songs.
Politics › Re: Nigerian's Missing Battalion - 5000 Nigerian Soldiers Fought In Angola-1976/77 by Kilode1: 8:33am On Feb 18, 2011
PhysicsRND:
"Murtala Muhammad initiated a comprehensive review of the Third National Development Plan. Singling out inflation as the greatest danger to the economy, he was determined to reduce the money supply that had been swollen by government expenditures on public works. Muhammad also announced that his government would encourage the rapid expansion of the private sector into areas dominated by public corporations. He reappraised foreign policy, stressing a "Nigeria first" orientation in line with OPEC price guidelines that was to the disadvantage of other African countries. Nigeria became "neutral" rather than "nonaligned" in international affairs. The shift in orientation became apparent with respect to Angola. Nigeria had worked with the OAU to bring about a negotiated reconciliation of the warring factions in the former Portuguese colony, but late in 1975 Murtala Muhammad announced Nigeria's support for the Soviet-backed Popular Movement for the Liberation of Angola, citing South Africa's armed intervention on the side of the rival National Union for the Total Independence of Angola (União Nacional para a Independência Total de Angola). The realignment strained relations with the United States, which argued for the withdrawal of Cuban troops and Soviet advisers from Angola. In October the Nigerian Air Force took delivery of Soviet-built aircraft that had been ordered under Gowon."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murtala_Mohammed



Hmmm, doing it in secrecy might have been better, since it was already diplomatically costly to even declare support for a communist supported movement, let alone send troops. Anyway, the civil war was between Angolans, not the supporters of the different sides, so openly sending soldiers would actually have been looked upon unfavorably as being excessive and out of line.
Sometimes I wonder about Murtala's assassination. Maybe it was orchestrated from outside Nigeria by those unsettled by this foreign policies. I'm wary of conspiracy theories, but I always wonder maybe there's more to that assassination than we already know.
Politics › Re: Great/famous People From Your State! by Kilode1: 8:16am On Feb 18, 2011
fstranger3:
Actually, you can have Dele Momodu, we dont want him any longer
fstranger3:
Yorubas, Specifically Osun state, ofcourse.

He was made in the SW, dont let me go further! grin


As a matter of fact, culturally, he is Yoruba cheesy


PS: Why did you skip Sophie Oluwole. I can claim her if you dont want her. She grew up in Ondo state though cool
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL grin grin

So, is this the Ethnic Draft of 2011?

Is Sophie Oluwole from Edo? I will give up OBJ for that Woman.

Carry on with the Ethnic Draft  cheesy
Politics › Re: Southern Sudan Seeks Nigeria’s Support by Kilode1: 6:03am On Feb 18, 2011
I'm not an expert at all, let me offer my opinion based on what I know.

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=606285.msg7752092#msg7752092 date=1297999397]Do you know why Nigeria was so involved in SA?[/quote]I believe we got involved because we wanted to support the black liberation anti-apartheid movement in SA and other African countries. We had a large population, we had a somewhat respectable reputation early on. We had petro dollars rolling in with little ideas on what use it for(my opinion).

It was very reasonable to support ANC since we got our independence from the British on the back of popular self-rule agitation in Nigeria. (no bloody conflict though) But some scholars think Nigeria played both sides in Africa by diplomatically aligning herself with western powers on one hand while supporting liberation and sometimes marxism inspired groups in Africa.

Angola is a good case study for this where we switched support from one group to another during the Angolan crisis.

what was our motive beside the regular "wanting to rid SA of injustice"?
I Think I addressed that in my analysis above. We wanted to forge a united pro Africa front through the OAU and also solidify our position as an emerging African powerhouse. But we never really articulated it well.

Also I think our failure to pursue an economic/political hegemony policy made us look weak and unserious. Our world responds to power. We failed to project power and subsequently lost influence.

what kind of relationship did we have with SA during apartheid era? how did this relationship change post apartheid?
We had a good relationship with the ANC not with the White nationalist ruling party of course, I believe we still have a good relationship with the old elements in the ANC, but not with the general SA population.

The economic crisis we fell into in the 80s changed Nigeria's fortune IMO, many Nigerians migrated to SA and other countries where we quickly acquired an unflattering reputation. Nobody likes desperate immigrants.

We did not reap the benefits of our early investments in an Africa focused foreign policy, we wasted money and political capital. Also, I believe countries value you as much as you value your population. Messing up our own country did not help our cause and image at all cheesy

when you become less lazy. pls do a more comprehensive post  tongue but you don't have to if you don't want to
I'm still lazy  tongue

Also it's now at a stage where you will need professional perspective. I'll recommend Toyin Falola's A History of Nigeria or go on an electronic resource library and do a search for Nigerian foreign policy.
Fashion › Re: Asians With Nappy Hair? by Kilode1: 3:43am On Feb 18, 2011
This thread kinda made my heart glad.

hmm, Maybe be can seize the hegemonic initiative and massively propagate our ideas, taste and worldview one day. . . cool
Politics › Re: Southern Sudan Seeks Nigeria’s Support by Kilode1: 3:30am On Feb 18, 2011
^^ Haba Warrior, o de se suuru, Your brute force toasting na wah shocked cheesy

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=606285.msg7751884#msg7751884 date=1297994272]wow. a post without insults. i'm happy

why was SA at war with Nigeria?

I think our diplomacy is weak. maybe it was stronger in the past.[/quote]let me see if I can do a little summary of what I know and can remember, I'm sure there are better people on here.

We were not "at war" with SA per se, but with the apartheid regime that kept Black South Africans down. You see, Nigeria, although ruled by those we can call despotic leaders, Ironically had a foreign policy in the 60s and 70s that saw her acting in support of several liberation movements across Africa.

The Obasanjo regime supported Mandela's ANC for example, We provided millions of dollars, intelligence, and accommodation for oppressed and exiled Black leaders of the ANC. Mr Thabo Mbeki the former SA President was at a point living in Nigeria during the struggle and fully supported by the Nigerian government. I think we gave out millions in aid to Namibia too and one or two African countries had a Nigerian acting as their Chief Justice at a point. We were very involved.

We had some ok foreign policy ideas early on, but maybe because they were not rooted in strong idealistic foundations, we failed to use our leverage to secure a better, stronger position for ourselves in Africa. We will get there though I believe so.

I'm too lazy to do a more comprehensive post now, but you can actually google a lot of our past Foreign/Africa policy exploits and learn more.

sometimes I wish nairaland had experts. people you can learn from/ look up to.
definitely haven't found any semblance of that here yet
That is a very sad statement. Sorry you feel that way.
Politics › Re: Help bring Digital Libraries to Africa! by Kilode1: 2:22am On Feb 18, 2011
loma:
Thanks a lot for your support.

We dropped to 16th now. I dont know where these other teams keep getting their votes from!
I tell you bro, Naijas are just an unlucky bunch, our yahoo-yahoo no reach India, Chinese or Pakistani own.

Unfortunately for us, we make too much noise about little little things so we get labeled as "masters". The Paki and India people are sure cranking up their yahoo-yahoo e-mail list cheesy

Anyway, I gave 2 votes earlier, Walahi, I go slap the next yahoo-yahoo boy I meet if una no enter top 10  angry cool
Politics › Re: Illiterate Delegates Banned From Voting In Ondo State by Kilode1: 11:34pm On Feb 17, 2011
Tunmi:
Èyín méjèjì mán npa mí lèrín.
It's been a while since I've been up here.
The only thing I would change is that one does not need to be literate in English. That was where my argument went down. I still believe that literacy is a must when holding a position as a member of a political party.
I agree. I'm so glad you understand Yoruba. Yio da fun o!


@Stranger, My job is now done. Alarena mi ti yeba!
Politics › Re: Africa Is Rich Yet Africans Are Poor. A Must Read! by Kilode1: 11:28pm On Feb 17, 2011
One of the prominent Nigerians employed by Pfizer, Mr. Gowon, was apparently so determined to get a favourable settlement for Pfizer that he, against what must have been his better judgement, let his tongue loose.

During one of those meetings where terms of settlement were being negotiated, Mr. Gowon, who was representing Pfizer which earns over $18 billion annually in profit, worked hard to secure a paltry settlement. He is quoted as telling negotiators that the worth of the life of a child born and bred in Kano cannot be compared to that of a child born and bred in the United States. This was apparently in response to entreaties that Pfizer should pay the same rate of compensation it would pay had the trial taken place in the United States.

This comment, NEXT gathered, generated deep anger and criticism among those at the meeting and the former head of state, sensing he had overstepped the mark, quickly apologised and begged that the comment not be repeated outside the meeting room.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-582533.0.html
I'm not sure I will ever forget that comment attributed to Gowon. A former Leader of our people!

America's first president, George Washington can say that about other people, maybe, but I doubt he ever said anything like that about his own people.

The evil Adolf Hitler can say that about others or even act it out. I doubt he will say that about those he saw as his glorified Aryan people.

As a people, we have issues. . . IMO, until we fundamentally deal with those issues we cannot get the Africa we want.
Politics › Re: Illiterate Delegates Banned From Voting In Ondo State by Kilode1: 7:55pm On Feb 17, 2011
^ Ha! o paaro rara, emi ro pe iwo o s'akiyesi tele ni.

Sugbon omo yen fe jo omoluabi sha o, ko rora pelu e, ko ma lo sa fun e.

'Danwo lo bi iya okere! mura ti kia kia


eleyi ta n so Yoruba yii, ko ma lo ro pe illiterate ni wa sha o shocked cheesy
Politics › Re: Jonathan Orders Special Security Training For Crowd Control by Kilode1: 7:46pm On Feb 17, 2011
The minister posited that the unfortunate occurrence “reminded us again that sometimes even at the best moments, the enemy is always lurking around.
Enemies? Winches or wetin? Wetin this minister dey talk?
Politics › Re: Illiterate Delegates Banned From Voting In Ondo State by Kilode1: 7:27pm On Feb 17, 2011
fstranger3:
Have you had a change of mind since our discussion?
Onijongbon parau ni e walahi cheesy
Politics › Re: Help bring Digital Libraries to Africa! by Kilode1: 7:17pm On Feb 17, 2011
If you've ever read a post on NL and wondered; "has this poster ever read a book before in their life?" Vote !

If some NL replies make you appreciate the benefits of proper reading comprehension, Vote!

If you've ever been denied the chance to vote by political thugs in your village, revenge here by voting! (hopefully they will find a book and quit thuggery)

If you think your local Naija politician needs to learn how to reason effectively, vote so we can get books to your village before una produce another Blank!

If you believe knowledge empowers, Vote!


Finally, if you think I need to get a life and quit trolling a decent thread, please vote and help me get smarter, we no get library for my village!
Politics › Re: Senator Smart Adeyemi Opposes Bill Allocating N2.2bn For Former Heads Of State by Kilode1: 9:01am On Feb 17, 2011
six families of deceased leaders and two families of deceased Vice-Presidents.
Wetin be this? angry

So families now inherit the "pension" largess? I thought they stop paying pension to civil servants at their death. Which families? They can't find work ni?
Politics › Re: ACN-Ribadu/Ngige, How Feasible? by Kilode1: 8:46am On Feb 17, 2011
[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=604661.msg7746072#msg7746072 date=1297926445]^-- Lol, right in the middle of reading it. Was just about to post the following image, Table 1:

http://i51.tinypic.com/ie0ccj.png

Breaks down the results of the various surveys over time.

Prof Sam Aluko seems to have more faith in the 1950-1953 total pop #s than the 1963 #s.

One of these other guys made a case for the 1950-1953 result undercounting, or something, though (will dig up the criticism in a bit.)

Thing is, if you use the 1963 # of 55.66 million and the 2006 # of ~140 million, you get an annual growth rate of 2.168%. Which seems extremely low for a 3rd world country like Nigeria over that period of time. 2.5% minimum is the smallest I'd guess over that time period. So Aluko's case for the 1963 #s being grossly inflated seems solid (unless we either believe that Nigeria's pop was more than 140 million as of 2006, or the country had a very small growth rate. I don't believe either of these things personally.)

On the other hand, if you use the 1950-1953 # of 30.42 million, and assume 30.42 mil in 1963, then you get a growth rate of 2.92%. Which seems pretty reasonable overall for Nigeria.

This is actually getting sort of fun, lol.[/quote]Ok so we already know the British don't know how to count and they passed the disease to us. cheesy

I can see how the North can have those huge numbers due to the different ethnic groups classified as a monolithic north. I'm not sure I buy the current state by state break down though.

How come western region showed such a huge percentage gain in '63?

Was it a jump in birth rate? or the numbers were earlier understated due to cultural push-backs(folks avoiding headcount for superstitious reasons)

Same can be said for the east, though not as huge as the West in % increase between 1953-1963,

Ok, It's getting sort of fun for you? LOL you are a real nerd bro!

Hopefully I can join the fun back when I wake up.
Politics › Re: ACN-Ribadu/Ngige, How Feasible? by Kilode1: 7:37am On Feb 17, 2011
^^ You should read this;
How Many Nigerians? An Analysis of Nigeria's Census Problems, 1901-63, Author: S. A. Aluko Source: The Journal of Modern African Studies, Vol. 3, No. 3 (Oct., 1965), pp. 371-392

He actually made the assertion at a point that our whole population estimate in Nigeria is totally wrong and maybe we are not anywhere as populated as we claim.

I don't think we know how many we are at all, it got interesting when he basically rubbished the population census done by the British as early as the 1800s, the 1920s through to the late 50s LOL.


The  Government  Statistician  commented  that  there  was  good
reason to  suppose the  census figures to  be  'slightly  defective in  the
Northern Provinces and much in  defect in  the  Southern Provinces'.
He estimated that the figures were probably understated by about five
per cent in  the Northern Provinces, ten per cent in Lagos and in  the
Abeokuta, Benin,  Cameroons, Ijebu,  Ogoja,  Ondo,  Oyo,  and Warri
Provinces of Southern Nigeria,  and  fifteen to  twenty per cent in  the
Onitsha, Owerri, and Calabar Provinces of Eastern Nigeria.

The population of the Southern Provinces was given as 8,37I,000  in
I92I  and only 8,493,000  in  1931,  while that of the Northern Provinces
increased from 9,998,ooo  in  I92I  to  II,435,000  in  I93I;  this tends to
confirm the impression that the 1931 census gave a gross under-estimate
for  Southern Nigeria.

It  seems  obvious  that  all  population  figures
between  I900  and  I93I  were largely inaccurate and may  have  been
consistently under-estimated. It is remarkable, however, that so much
population data should be  available at  all during the period,
in view of the administrative difficulties, the lack of money, and the scarcity of
qualified personnel.

Owing  to  the war,  there was no  further census enumeration until
that of I950-3,  which was conducted at different times throughout the
country. The census of Lagos was conducted in I950-I,  that of Northern
Nigeria between May and July  i952,  Western and Midwestern Nigeria
in  December  1952  and January  I953,  and Eastern Nigeria in  May,
June,  and August 1953
Maybe our population is exactly as it's claimed, maybe not. You can read more in the article. Nigeria is confusing. . .
Politics › Re: ACN-Ribadu/Ngige, How Feasible? by Kilode1: 5:53am On Feb 17, 2011
[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=604661.msg7745561#msg7745561 date=1297911713]^-- Cool! Yeah I'm still in the office so have JSTOR access.

I'll download and read that one, as well as any others you might suggest.

I came across this one: http://afraf.oxfordjournals.org/content/87/349/553.full.pdf[/quote]Yea, I saw that article too,

This one on Kano is very interesting; Kano: A Sudanese Metropolis, Derwent Whittlesey; Geographical Review, Vol. 27, No. 2 (Apr., 1937), pp. 177-19
It listed the Kano City population(I'm thinking metro) as 89,000+ in 1932, That was large if you consider that period.


This other work:The Growth of Residential Districts in Ibadan : Akin Mabogunje: Geographical Review, Vol. 52, No. 1 (Jan., 1962), pp. 56-77
recorded the population of Ibadan as 387,000+ in 1931 shocked

Now, keep in mind, Prof. Akin Mabogunje is Yoruba while the other Geographer was British. Don't know if that means anything considering Mabogunje's respectable professional pedigree, but I may be biased though undecided

Also, I'm not sure exactly if I should interpret Ibadan as meaning the metropolis or not, I know the Kano estimate of 1932 was for the main walled city as explained by the British guy

Interesting stuff. eku_bear, now,  can you do that your math Magic and crunch the estimate for us? grin cheesy
(a 3% population growth seems conservative to me though)


@stranger, I enjoyed that Fela video, I tell ya, Nigeria is owned by some people, we just need to beg them to make their shares public, we sef wan buy grin
Politics › Re: ACN-Ribadu/Ngige, How Feasible? by Kilode1: 3:55am On Feb 17, 2011
[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=604661.msg7745302#msg7745302 date=1297904604]Hrm. Will dig into this data a bit more later tonight.

Does anyone have previous census data broken down by zone or region? Or what is a good place to find this sort of data?[/quote]Try this title: Military Rule and Population Issues in Nigeria, Author: Aderanti Adepoju Source: African Affairs, Vol. 80, No. 318 (Jan., 1981), pp. 29-47


We've had Several academic research works done on the obvious population falsification that's been going on in Nigeria since the early 60s

You can use Jstor if you have the access. I'm not sure if I can post the particular article due to copyright issues, and NL spambot, But I got this info from the journal.

STATES   '63 in Mil     '73 in Mil          %change

North East         7,793         15,380             6"8

Kano                  5,775         10,900             6"4

North West        5,734         8,500               3"9

North Central     4,098         6,790               5 1

Benue Plateau   4,009         5,170               2.5

Kwara                2,399         4,640               6.6

West                  9,488         8,920            -0.62

Lagos                1,444          2,470              5.4

Mid-West           2,536          3,240              2.5

East Central      7,228           8,060             1.1

South East       3,526           3,460              -0.51

Rivers               1,545           2,230               3.7

Source: Extracted from the Daily Times, Friday 10 May, 1974 p. 1. (via  African Affairs article above)


As you can see from the table, The SW, SE and most of the non core North regions decreased dramatically(to say the least) from 1963 to 1973. those regions recorded negative percentages LOL. It's like people moved out of the SE and SW shocked

Mind boggling really! The discrepancies were protested by leaders in the south according to the 1981 article, but it stood, and it was encouraged by our military rulers after that.



Read the journal and search for others works too.

IMO, Nigeria is probably the only geographical area on earth where human population decreases as you get closer to the sea.

Now, I do not have conclusive evidence, but my take is that we have a huge population robbery going on in Nigeria. probably for sinister political power reasons since the late 50's to early 60's.

My country is an interesting case-study really.
Politics › Re: Y by Kilode1: 2:03am On Feb 17, 2011
You see, I started posting this satellite picture first on nigeria villagesquare, before moving to nairaland. Nuhu ribadu  uses villagesquare. He saw the pictures. The reason I stop using NVS is that I think the owner has relationship who are northerners and he block information.
Becomrich, are you also the poster called "forshow3" on NVS?

na wa o.
Politics › Re: Only 7 More Days! Nigerian's Race To The North Pole - Feb 15th by Kilode1: 8:48pm On Feb 16, 2011
Dang! I should have added 3 more votes sad

I blame me and those "please help us marry in the snow by force" Oyinbo couple on that site. Cheesy, mushy mushy oyinbo undecided cheesy

Sorry jare. better luck next year.
Politics › Re: Africa Is Rich Yet Africans Are Poor. A Must Read! by Kilode1: 4:39am On Feb 16, 2011
^Ase! Ok, Since you don't drink palmy, I will pour it as libation to my ancestors cheesy

We will get there bro, thanks.
Politics › Re: Africa Is Rich Yet Africans Are Poor. A Must Read! by Kilode1: 3:52am On Feb 16, 2011
cheikh:
ola olabiy

@ola olabiy

Pls because of time and space I can't go  into details.
Do you sincerely think the Chinese, Brazillians, Indians and even Cubans are on the same level with us in terms of 'cultural/historical'  experience/back up which informs, guides and anchors a fully 'developed' human being. How do you negotiate in the market place of ideas such as western education, economy/economics etc The values/culture and history that everything is anchored on negates or does not acknowledge any impute from your kind(race/African). In short you are already in double jeopardy/bind and deficit psychically that is not to say that you'll not be able  excel in your line of study as most of us usually do. It's different from Chinese, Brazillian(white), Indian or Cuban of Fidel Castro's background or East Europeans/ Russian. Fundamentally, they all have a full history and Culture on which to draw from which anchors their world view wherever they may find themselves. We do not have such luxury whatsoever hence I said that we are like 'lost and 'confused' children in the refugee camps(world). Any wonder our so called ruling class are looters and still bank and invest in 'enemy' banks etc? The education did not go through them because it's of no 'meaning' to their existence other than mere certificate for 'meal ticket' in our various 'countries'. There's Education and there's education wink
We may have been attending/studying in their so called hallowed institutions in the west for decades, as you correctly stated in your quote above.^^, that in itself explains some of our 'lost' and 'confused' state of being.
How can you begin to study in some strange land, language and culture etc if you had no foundation in terms full counterbalancing value system anchoring your good or bad 'judgement', 'choices' or whatever ideas or 'education' you may be bombarded with. The Indians, Chinese, Russians, Cubans(white), Brazilians(white) and other Asians have the cultural Base and Superstructure as an adjunct to whatever so called 'foreign' education some of them may get from the West. In fact besides the Asians, every other person of European descent can be described as 'Western' in values and culture. There's nothing that separates the Russian and the American Anglo-saxon culturally and values. They share the same European Patrimony and world view. I do not think any serious minded African/ Nigerian after the over fifty years of 'in-dependence' , blames or points at the imaginary 'other' or 'foreigners' or 'enemies' etc. The solution and Choice is ours to make whether we like it or not or continue in our usual sad and bumbling ways sad
I owe you a gourd of palm wine.
Politics › Re: A Country With No Justice - Read This Man's Tale by Kilode1: 2:19am On Feb 16, 2011
Politics › Re: Africa Is Rich Yet Africans Are Poor. A Must Read! by Kilode1: 1:51am On Feb 16, 2011
ola olabiy:
^^ I said we have to stop blaming Westerners, apartheid, colonization, etc.

The West, or any country/bloc for that matter, will always protect their interest. They do this all over the world. It is normal.
But, you don't have to always allow them at the detriment of your own economy and generations unborn.
You are right. Unfortunately, we will continue to allow them, because our world is based on their system. Our beliefs and contemporary religions and education is at their behest. The prevailing philosophies running our world are according to their  interpretation. We are consumers of culture, we stopped being creative contributors a long time ago. That is my take.

We need to have more than a mental connection to the solutions, we need our emotions, our culture to connect with it, IMO, we lack that, we are going through an alien route to understand our issues, until we bring our minds back home and connect our abhorrence for inequality and corruption to our culture emotionally, we will continue to walk in the dark, that is a summary of my thoughts.

These things are a bit too deep, a little too difficult to flesh out within the constraints of NL, like cheik explained, we have deep serious issues. Things may not change until we address them.

Edit: 2nd paragraph clarification
Politics › Re: Africa Is Rich Yet Africans Are Poor. A Must Read! by Kilode1: 1:18am On Feb 16, 2011
@cheik: You are my e-kin! may you continue to increase in knowledge.

I have one or two essay-like posts on NL that mirrors yours almost word for word.

Olabiy, bro I Dont Blame westerners, not at all! I don't do that blame westerners thing. My post is about us and how we value and see ourselves and what we can do to change.

I don't do blame the west games, I've had people say the same "we have to stop blaming westerners" after reading some of my posts, I Like westerners, they are doing it right!

I think you need to read  my comment on a similar issue(link below) I agree Nigeria is not Angola but the similarities calls for the same kind of reflection as explained by cheik, that is my point really. I'm not blaming whitie, they are pursuing their right to survive.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=590472.msg7583517#msg7583517

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Politics › Re: Africa Is Rich Yet Africans Are Poor. A Must Read! by Kilode1: 1:06am On Feb 16, 2011
^^ sir, there is very little difference between most African leaders and those foreign exploiters.

They were born, raised, schooled, cultured, to disrespect most things authentically African, name it: our religion, culture, language, philosophy, color. They don't see any of those as valuable. That is the core issue.

They don't value their own people, they look down on us as much as the white man does. I repeat;  You can't invest in or empower what you don't believe in. Except you are a drooling fo.ol.
Politics › Re: Africa Is Rich Yet Africans Are Poor. A Must Read! by Kilode1: 12:40am On Feb 16, 2011
ola olabiy:
You are right but time is running out. There is capital flight in Africa and the situation is getting worse.
It is sad!
Yeah, time ran out long ago though.

We should be in damage control restoration mode right now. But we are still confused.

On capital flight, people don't put their money in what they don't believe in, they don't believe what they can't understand. Oyinbo can't keep their capital with us. I can't blame them. They understand power games, they need to empower their own so out goes the capital they milk from us.
Politics › Re: Africa Is Rich Yet Africans Are Poor. A Must Read! by Kilode1: 12:20am On Feb 16, 2011
^^ I won't care if he stays Marxist, as long as he can empower his own people. Any ideology that keeps your own people weak is a fail in my eyes, there are enough people on earth to exploit, but keep your own people empowered.

Africans need their own manifest destiny philosophy.

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