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[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=590933.msg7675079#msg7675079 date=1296952914]hahaha. How can you worship Sango and Ogun at the same time?  Don't you have to pick one?  Trying to do ojojoro around here.  I suppose you think you're a WARRIOR Soul; guess again.  You're a pussycat and everyone knows it - even an inanimate computer quiz.  hahahaha.[/quote]That computer quiz is confused Jo. I think I have MPD though. Maybe that's why.

naijababe:
^ May Sango + Ogun give you the courage to accept what you can't change 

Ase! {Grudgingly}

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=590933.msg7674489#msg7674489 date=1296943735]Why'd you do it more than once?  Which one did you do first?  I am going to have to disqualify your result.

P.S. I also agree you are a PEACEMAKER SOUL no matter how tough you think you are.[/quote]Peacemaker was the first. I'm still protesting the result. They are confusing the gentility of a tiger with peacemaking

Bakare is an interesting candidate. He's got balls too!

Where is Aare Becomrich? He's been vouching for Salami's integrity all week. As always, I salute you Bashorun Musiwa!  

. Tansley said the Attorney General has put Waziri on a very short leash and that he has "no doubt" that Aondoakaa is protecting the governors and other key officials from prosecution. [/b]He also noted that Aondoakaa is very close to Ibori, who is generally acknowledged as one of President Yar A'dua's closest advisors. Tansley assessed that [b]Waziri would prosecute small cases, but will not pursue any cases that are not in the government's interest.

Tell us something we don't know.

Meanwhile, come April 2011, millions of my people will go out to vote for the same crop of leaders who clearly lack the will to radically fix Nigeria.

We are not tired yet. When we get tired of these laggards we will act.

You Are a Visionary Soul
You are a curious person, always in a state of awareness.
Connected to all things spiritual, you are very in touch with your soul.
You are wise and bright: able to reason and be reasonable.
Occasionally, you get quite depressed and have dark feelings.

You have great vision and can be very insightful.
In fact, you are often profound in a way that surprises yourself.
Visionary souls like you can be the best type of friend.
You are intuitive, understanding, sympathetic, and a good healer.

Souls you are most compatible with: Old Soul and Peacemaker Soul 


What kind of methodology are they using, they gave a confirmed Sango + Ogun believer this?!!:

Kilode?!, You Are a Peacemaker Soul

You strive to please others and will compromise anyway you can.
War or conflict bothers you, and you will do anything to keep the peace.
You are a good mediator and a true negotiator.
Sometimes you do too much, trying so hard to make people happy.

While you keep the peace, you tend to be secretly judgmental.
You lose respect for people who don't like to both give and take.
On the flip side, you've got a great sense of humor and wit.
You're always diplomatic and able to give good advice.

Souls you are most compatible with: Warrior Soul, Hunter Soul and Visionary Soul 

Yea I did it 3 times and I got peacemaker twice.

^ Right, they may not be super-intelligent, but na hard thankless job most times.

As to your geniocracy Idea; You are one incurable social optimist walahi

hopefully you will not give us geniuses with over inflated egos. . . Kasala go burst for your decision table

I think as foolhardy as they are, moorons are more malleable than st-pid geniuses



Give me a smart eediot over a st-pid genius any day. — Samuel Goldwyn <<<< funny smart guy

Beaf:
You simply do not know what an ideology is. What you describe is called, [b]anywhere bele face [/b]politics.

HAHAH 

Beaf go kill pesin o!, I've not heard that phrase in a while

tensor777:
That is a dangerously deluded argument and an example of how the pro-faggott lobby are challenging the moral fibre and fabric of society. These lawyers and politicians and social commentators are first of all human beings and so are bound to insert or be influenced by their own biases when formulating their public policy presciptions.
Any reason at all why these far out liberals in their ivory towers should be trusted apart from their sophistry??
See how some misguided posters here keep on banging on about ephemeral issues as upholding adult consent and minorty rights without looking at the bigger picture of societal costs and benefits.

I'm not sure you read my posts at all.

Are philosophers, social policy experts, lawyers ALL LIBERALS?

What about their conservatives counterparts? or those who strongly hold an opposite view but still need to negotiate policy direction with the other side without blowing their society to smithereens.

It's cool to blow hot air online. When you have to sit across the table with those who disagree with you (and are as powerful and influential as you are) Then you will appreciate the difficult work of social give and take.

Sagamite:
Hold on to your appreciation.

Most times they do not apply the "best pratice" of the thinking of their field, they compromise it with personal bias, seeking for political benefits and/or pragmatism because the populace is full of mooorons that will not comprehend logic/complexities and might react disorderly to optimal application if brainwashed/misled or the public policy setters themselves are not the brightest to give such responsibilities.

Yes, they don't always apply best practice, but best practice ain't all that easy to arrive at on a social issue too, or any issue sef. na hard work.

. . .and of course both sides will bring personal bias to the policy formulation table, We all start from personal bias don't we?

But to solve a social problem, we can't possibly disembowel all the Moorons from the other side who can't see things from our perspective. 

Sagamite, you of all people should know mooorons don't die easily, very hard to kill mofos  

So I appreciate those who come up with policies that can bridge the thinking, moral and idea gap in society without leaving us all at the mercy of an all out knive fight.

OAM4J:
Very, Very difficult and complex. That is why I think it is better for people who share the same belief/morality and other things to stay together.

Ok. Very well then. I'll have to start giving more appreciation to those who dedicate their lives to formulating coherent public policies for us.

The philosophers, social scientists, social policy experts and sometimes lawyers who come up with largely acceptable rules and strategies to order our societies are heroes IMO.

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=593966.msg7670410#msg7670410 date=1296891173]condemning murder is also subjective and about morality.
i'm glad you do not support oppression and harassment.[/quote]Exactly, that is the risk you take everyday you act as an human being, even your natural and moral right to breathe can be challenged.

IMO, The difficult job comes when we need to balance one party's moral right vs another and still maintain some sanity in the polity.

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=593966.msg7670204#msg7670204 date=1296887452]you only condemn murder.
jail terms, harassment, excessive discrimination, systematic oppression etc are ok by you?[/quote]Within the context of the original argument on this thread, I'll prefer to limit myself to condemning murder, I'm not invested in the argument about gay or no gay for now.

I'm more interested in methods and tactics. It's easy to argue about morality (subjective and objective) till we get blue in the face, all based on our beliefs about right or wrong. The difficult job IMO comes when we need to formulate coherent public policies that will work for both sides on a social level.

I'm interested in how we can do that.

I do not support oppression and harassment BTW.

@bullying story

Isale, I'm reading that bullying story and wondering how come we don't bully foreign students in Nigeria?

I remember had a few Indians at my local Nigerian Secondary school and they were treated like kings( Indians o!) I'm sure the practice of sucking-up to foreigners( especially those with lighter skin tones) is very common in Nigeria.

So are we that nice or dangerously color-stuck?

I ask because I'm not sure we won't bully ghanaians like that, not sure

Do you think this bullying of foreign students(sometimes done by black students) in America has something to do with racism and self-hate?

The oppressed looking for someone apparently lower than herself to oppress?

I know whites do it too #justsaying

OAM4J:
Dominant Minority shouldn't exist in true democracy IMO. Every member of a community/group should have equal say/vote on every matter. While minority have their say, majority wins. Except democracy is no longer the rule of numerical majority.

I understand you in principle, but unfortunately, numerical majority don't always prevail in a democracy. And it doesn't always equate to fairness.

We often think of democracy as a purely fair system but It's not perfect. Early thought leaders of America's current system grappled with the same issue: How do we practice democracy without promoting tyranny of the majority or the minority? Political scientists are still grappling with it.

Allowing the wishes of the largest Numerical group don't always mean we are fair or democratic. It's not always about numbers, else, right, wrong and justice will be at the perpetual mercy of political mob rule.(unfortunately it sometimes is)

Plurality is another concept that comes to mind in explaining this, where the side with the largest number(not necessarily overall, but in comparison to all other splintered groups) wins the vote even if their wishes represents say just 40% of the population.

If you can shed more light on how to best protect the rights of minorities in a democracy without leaving them at the mercy of the majority. I will be glad to read your thoughts. I'm really interested in what others think about this.


Disclaimer: I'm not arguing for or against any side in the gay debate, except to condemn murder.

OAM4J:
Though I am not a political scientist, I understand clearly that there are check and balances in democracy, but ultimately the majority in a community will eventually have their way, even if it means changing their constitution.


Minority rights will not come at the expense of majority rights.

What about Dominant minorities?

IMO, it depends on how you define majority, the views and beliefs of a numerical minority can dominate policy. It may not be fair, but shyyte happens.

It's fairly common in history and politics, i.e the white minority of South Africa dominated the country and their world view was the accepted standard for centuries(still is for the most part) even though they constitute a tiny numerical fraction of the population.

Same for the dominance of European world view and ideas across our world. So, it depends on how you define majority, at least from a socio-political standpoint.

"lurking" mode

^^ so true

^ that could also be the reason.

^^ hopefully the sensible ones will get both the subtle and obvious messages in your wise post. Well done bro.

My people will get there socially and culturally, I believe so, we just need to keep working hard at it.

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=590933.msg7657860#msg7657860 date=1296716684]First thing I notice: She writes, "please," in Yoruba as, "jor."  I never ever ever never never never ever, even though I've seen a lot of NLers write it that way.  I will write "jo" or most likely "joo."  I do not understsand where the "r" comes from?  Are we egun from Benin?  [/quote]I'm glad you noticed that "jo" vs "jor" business on NL. Observant! +1.

If I had any doubts about your Ijinle Yoruba abilities, it's hereby removed.

Although I kinda suspect folks got that spelling from Nigerian pidgin English or from my Mid-west people, I've always wondered about it's popular usage on NL.

Yea, Sure will.

^ Do you think he's right?

China has some new promos running on CNN and co that suggests to me that they want more foreign investments in the country, maybe to buy up their over-built real estate assets. . . I dunno really

If that is the case, maybe he has a point? maybe they(china) are already jittery themselves.

But with 1Billion potential consumers( dunno how many can really afford to consume anything for now though) they should be able to get enough Chinese consumers to buy up those assets, or maybe that's just one of the "china myth" he kept referring to.

Interesting stuff. . .

Sule Lamido is the man! Infact! Sule Lamido for President!!

I hope he will send his curse-bursting brigade to the fire and brimstone church beside my window, those people can curse fire?!!!

They name and curse enemies all night!

Funny people, lunatic leaders. . .

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=590933.msg7643686#msg7643686 date=1296533060]Someone you know.

As long as you believe that I was put up to it.  I would never, and I mean, ne-va, be so forward as to ask you any personal questions. 

About me speaking and writing Yoruba, I direct you to these:[/quote]Haha Ok I saw the Ijinle you wrote. Very good stuff, I'm not sure I can compete with that, that was like a whole album there lol. Very nice.

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=590933.msg7643604#msg7643604 date=1296531121]I remember you telling me that before. 

::yelling to lurking secret admirer::  Did you hear that?  He's an INTERNET WARRIOR!  Anything else?

Yeah, was gonna kill thread but that's in the past.  It is my prerogative to change my mind. 

Feel free to derail thread.  Actually, it is not possible.  I made it clear, we can discuss anything here.

What's on your mind?  Something you wanna ask me?  Like who is this made-up "secret admirer"?[/quote]Spill with caution. . . You know it's kinda funny, I want to know but I'm like -how fair is it that you want someone to reveal stuff but you are not ready to do the same- well I guess life ain't fair. So spill it. I would have said YIM but that too is a no no for me. Dang!! my CIA code is killing me.


LOL@ ::yelling to lurking secret admirer::

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=590933.msg7643571#msg7643571 date=1296530321]I was talked out of it.

Anyway, I am to ask you, what it is that you do? 

P.S.  I forgot to say "please" and "thank you."[/quote]I mean't "kill" the thread oh ok, no derail then, I will answer; I'm an internet warrior 

Seriously though, I'm tempted, but I really can't say online, as you very well know, too many creepy people on the "interwebs"  BUT If I was on some Mark Zuckerberg kinda gig. eff online! I will definitely be boasting right now lol

Edited

@Isale, wetin you wan know o? I thought you wanted to killed this thread.

^^ lol ok

This is so sad, a woman with her baby? just too sad

I'm sure a bank worker who laboured to save for months or years to buy a used vehicle probably lost it too.

There are no winners here, except the looters who refused to adequately train the Nigerian police, build good roads and ensure adequate safety and justice for my people.

fstranger1:
^^^^

Wow enough respect for you

I never could read Ijinle Yoruba

I always find it difficult to read, and always felt, and still feel inferior to those who can read it fluently

Enough respect for you.


PS: You've now displaced SEFAGO on the list of my most respected Nl'ers . Screw SEFAGO, and his over inflated Mensa brain, hail the New King, Oga Kilode?


Seriously, I am impressed!

I doubt if Eku_Bear would be able to read the real thing

The book is actually on the list of 100 best African Books. Really proud of Fagunwa

There is a scary similarity between Faguna's books and Tutuola's Palmwine Drinkard. Me thinks Tutuola plagiarized Fagunwa, No?

Warrior don start again, I sure can't compete, or isn't SEFAGO the MENSA guy? those are Einstein people o

Seriously though,  I assumed -from your NL persona- that you'd be able to read Yoruba easily.

I was just fortunate to have lived a small but crucial part of my formative years among folks who were proud of Yoruba culture, language and even religion. Some of them will wake up from ibi agba n re to deal me a good slap if I can't read Yoruba.

BTW, most of my classmates didn't read those books either, it wasn't cool to them and religion -especially Pentecostalism- didn't help either. At least you were lucky you saw it in school, my school didn't think D.O Fagunwa was important at all, I was lucky I met some Ijinle relatives alive.

On Tutuola, I've heard people express the same sentiments, It's possible, but it could also be because they both grew up in the same Yoruba folktale tradition. I've read critics ascribe Fagunwa's amazing storytelling abilities and his mixture of magic realism and folktales to his contact with the Bible. I say he got it from the Irunmoles  

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=592779.msg7642660#msg7642660 date=1296513261] to Oga Kilode.

Yoruba is easy to read as long as the vowels are accented.  And a book would be.  

I read a Fagunwa book when I was real little - 10ish.  Don't remember the title.  'Twas the one where the protagonist was in a forest and saw a woman(?) with a long silver or golden tongue.  Somethng like that.  Not sure I actualy finished it cos my sis had serious designs on it.  I need to find it for purchase.  Would enjoy reading it in record time and rubbing it (someone)'s face.[/quote]I too think Yoruba is very easy to read.

I must confess, I can't remember most of the characters in the book, but there were several male and female characters described with enchanting details by Fagunwa. One of them was Aramada Okunrin with his ability to adapt to changing weather, Olohun Iyo with the magical voice, and of course Kako Oni Kumo ekun. Next time I visit Ibadan, I will not leave that city until I get new copies of the books. I need to re-read them all.

Isale, so you can read Yoruba too?

BTW, there's this writer; Nnedi Okoroafor, she won the Soyinka Prize a few years ago I think. I've not read her works but I understand she writes great magic realism novels anchored on Igbo folk tales or so. I need to get one her books.

fstranger1:
Did you finish the book?

I assume you read the Yoruba version?

We were made to read it in secondary and oh boy, I couldn't finish. I got scared mid way, couldnt differentiate between real and fantasy. And, because my Yoruba reading skill wasnt that good, I stopped midway.

I heard Soyinka murdered the phuucing book, true?

Yes the Yoruba version! it was scary at first, but I became Akara Ogun (the main protagonist) and I lost all fear. 


I finished the book, read it like 3 times. Apart from Igbo Olodumare, I also read;

Ireke Onibudo

Irinkerindo ninu Igbo Elegbeje

Adiitu Olodumare

It started as a challenge at home, it ended with me developing a deep appreciation for Yoruba language, culture and mythology.

My uncles were releasing the book to me with embellishments One told me the Irinkerindo was just fresh off the press, baiting me for days and I wasn't wise enough to note publishing dates and all that stuff when i finally got it 


*smiling with nostalgia*


Those books are all masterpieces in their own rights. But Ogboju ode was the best IMO

@eku_bear, and in answer to Fstranger's question; The Yoruba version is waaaay better, leave Soyinka's translation for those who can't read Yoruba.

I couldn't read past a few pages of  A Thousand Demons, Soyinka tried, but there's nothing like the real McCoy.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=592779.msg7642164#msg7642164 date=1296506794]fstranger (or anyone else), have you read Forest of a Thousand Demons?

Thinking about buying it from amazon.[/quote]Buy it!

I think you will appreciate it better if you read the real thing; Ogboju Ode Ninu Igbo Irunmole (D.O Fagunwa 1949)

Forest of a thousand demons is a translation of Fagunwa's work by Soyinka.

Ogboju Ode was probably the first Yoruba novel I read, one of the greatest work of literary imagination ever created by man. Ever!  IMO

D.O Fagunwa, Yorubas and essentially Nigerians(got to share  ) were doing mind blowing epic trilogies before J. R. R Tolkien.