superhumanist:



Please, if you want to behave like an ignorant troll, kindly do not quote me.

Almost all the numerous rebuttals to Platinga's argument point out those 2 pitfalls


Kindly do some research before you show your lacking capacity

You are not an intelligent person or someone I hold in high esteem , so I really shouldn't bother myself about what you think .

superhumanist:

2. Those with true beliefs (with regards to their immediate environment ) have a better chance of surviving than those with false beliefs. The caveat here is that not all beliefs affect survival.

How do you know which belief is true or false and how does either increase your chances of survival ?

superhumanist:



I can bet my life on two things. The first is that you do not understand the meaning of the quote and secondly, Alvin Platinga, despite his intelligence, did not even really think out his conclusion in the quote.


Alvin Platinga seems not to understand some pitfalls to his arguments

1. Beliefs are not an inherited trait. One cannot necessarily tie the process of evolution to beliefs. It is more sensible to compare evolution/naturalism with instincts (and not beliefs).

2. Those with true beliefs (with regards to their immediate environment ) have a better chance of surviving than those with false beliefs. The caveat here is that not all beliefs affect survival.

This does not contravene the rationale behind Platinga's quote . You are just talking about something different but not entirely . You are the one who does not understand the quote or its rationale . And you created a strawman which is fallacious .

urahara:


Go and read the imbecilic statements you posted after that re-read it again, then go and sleep.

This should be your forte .

urahara:



Its not your fault.

I expected much from you .now look at the vomit u posted up there.

You are a complete joke .

urahara:



Considering the fact that theism can also include irreligious belief in god .

I'm not really fixated on theism but on religion in particular.

Again , this is why I strongly believe most atheists are not smart . From the discussion above on naturalism , since natural selection is only interested in our survival and religion which was supposedly created by man aids our survival , why stand against this belief . From a naturalist position , you shouldn't care less if it is true since our cognitive faculties are wired for survival not attainment of truth , you should be concerned if it aids our survival and not if the belief is true or false .

And since it has proven to have aided and has continued to aid our survival , why stand against it as a naturalist ?

urahara:



Have u noticed that the dude is getting more desperate these days .

You have been desperate since you joined this forum . How many coverts or followers have you gotten since you started preaching atheism ?NONE

State your time and date and let me end your Nairaland-atheism career .

Fear Fear

urahara:


Why are u so fixated on atheism ?

Ur own is that as long as someone believes in a god even if its the wrong god , then its all good , even though they will go to hell

I can ask a related question to every atheist on this forum including you . Why are you fixated on theism ?

butterflyl1on:


Quoting Alvin Platinga

"naturalism cannot even be rationally affirmed. For if naturalism was true, the probability that our cognitive faculties would be reliable is pretty low. For those faculties have been shaped by a process of natural selection which does not select for truth but merely for survival. There are many ways in which an organism could survive without its beliefs’ being true. Hence, if naturalism were true, we could not have any confidence that our beliefs are true, including the belief in naturalism itself! Thus, naturalism seems to have a built-in defeater that renders it incapable of being rationally affirmed."

Well said !

Oga Platinga for me for has to be the smartest philosopher of this era . He clearly showed the holes in naturalism and how the position falls of its own weight .

Many naturalists like plaetton are ignorant of this and purporting the position as truth whereas naturalism if it were true requires total skepticism of everything and this includes naturalism itself . The bullsheet defeats itself beautifully .

urahara:

Have you concluded on the date and time you should pick for your mortification or should I do that for you ?

plaetton:

No time for you, my young Padawan.

If Frosbel can evolve from homo-religilous to homo sapien sapien right before our eyes here in Nairaland, then there is abundant hope for you my young Padawan.

The force , the atheist within you will balance itself in due time.

I can be an atheist and still affirm the existence of a creator or universal mind interpentrating our material universe . There is nothing extraordinary or logical about being an atheist it just rejects deification . Why wouldn't I remain a theist and enjoy the rationality of being one

And plaetton , have you gone through Platinga's arguments against naturalism ? Its a profound one . Hopefully you have the brains to understand how self-defeating and useless naturalism which you religiously subscribe to is .

Philosophical positions like materialism and naturalism which some atheists take are dying a slow and painful death Ouch !

plaetton:


Lol.
He is a slow learner.

This guy went to school in place where they had over 90 Christian denominations in one campus.

Can you really blame the poor lad?
His brain is messed up BIGLY.

I challenged him to a debate debunk those arguments himself and of course he chickened out with useless cavils . Isn't obvious who the empty vessel is ?

You can take his place though if you wish . State your date and time

superhumanist:



About which one? The lie that Dawkins is a christian or the misspelling of "secular"?

Read the post again and find out for yourself

nNEOo:



And if the devil repents?........never played with that idea b4?

Its utterly gratuitous to entertain such an idea if it's invalid . If it's a possibility sure , if it's not why bother ?

Have you played with the idea of God becoming evil even though He is the epitome of moral goodness? Or played with the idea that He can create a square-circle even though it's a logical impossibility?

nNEOo:
Good morning guys ,

Straight to the question , it may sound naive, absurd , stupid or even malicious but the truth is I've once or twice contemplated on how this world be when and if THE DEVIL FINALLY REPENTS
And there is no one else whispering these evil things in our minds.

So I asked what will become of religion as we know it , will it still exist ?

Is it existent as the result of the devil not giving his life back to Christ (Luke 4:12)

Cc lalasticlala
Cc mynd44
Cc billyonaire
Cc nNEOo

God through his foreknowledge already knows that the devil would never repent as shown in the bible . So your question is invalid .

It's like asking what would become of us if God dies when immutability is one His attributes . Such will never happen.

superhumanist:

Secular*

Thank you . Not sure what I was thinking

Seun:

Evolution is an example of an extra-ordinary story that I believe because the evidence is very strong.


The Ancient Astronaut theory for the existence of religion isn’t supported by any evidence really. The existence of religion is adequately explained by the human tendency to make up stories to explain things. Even in this modern scientific era, we have witnessed the creation of new religions like Mormonism and Scientology, and numerous cults, by liars and gullible people. Those two ingredients are sufficient.

I don't think you understand what religion is . There is theism , atheism, agnosticism and religion . Atheism is not the opposite of religion neither is theism religion . There are purely atheistic religions like LaVeyan Satanism, Raelism etc and there are theistic religions like Christianity etc . There are non-theistic religions like Buddhism , Confucianism

Anyone can be religious ; atheists, theists, agnostics ; anyone can be irreligious; atheists, theists, agnostics .

Because there are new religions in this era does not automatically invalidate theism or validate atheism. You need serious education on these concepts sir.

Seun:

Evolution is an example of an extra-ordinary story that I believe because the evidence is very strong.


The Ancient Astronaut theory for the existence of religion isn’t supported by any evidence really. The existence of religion is adequately explained by the human tendency to make up stories to explain things. Even in this modern scientific era, we have witnessed the creation of new religions like Mormonism and Scientology, and numerous cults, by liars and gullible people. Those two ingredients are sufficient.

You are a funny guy . So all things came into being through chance and accident without an agent have been supported by which evidence?

Sanchez01:

Aren't they dumb naturally? I mean who would go ahead to call Christianity a joke while they believe the world and its form came to be after some big bang theory if not atheists?

They are very ignorant though . And are filled with misconceptions .

The Big Bang theory was developed by a Belgian priest George Lemaitre . But the problem with most atheists is that they mistake the procedure for the agent . We as logical theists say the Big Bang is the procedure employed by the agent , the shallow atheists believe the Big Bang is the agent .

Here is a fun quote from him that might interest you :

"Should a priest reject relativity because it contains no authoritative exposition on the doctrine of the Trinity? Once you realize that the Bible does not purport to be a textbook of science, the old controversy between religion and science vanishes . . . The doctrine of the Trinity is much more abstruse than anything in relativity or quantum mechanics; but, being necessary for salvation, the doctrine is stated in the Bible. If the theory of relativity had also been necessary for salvation, it would have been revealed to Saint Paul or to Moses."

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Happy Sunday

Happy Sunday

jonbellion:
She's very stupid
Dumb people imposing their dumb religion on others
He already had a religion let him be what was the need of converting him

With this logic we can call atheists dumb for trying to force and impose their atheism on people like their blood-thirsty communists mentors did because theists already have a position on the deification of an entity .

Nice

There are new stories on the internet that Richard Dawkins is now a secular Christian .

Happy Sunday everyone . Glory ! Glory !

True

for idiots who claim the church is not winning souls

Christians should heed to this request or order and have the monetary gains from doing so . Why ? Because that's Cesare Borgia's picture not Jesus . And secondly , Jesus is concerned about your life being a facsimile of his and not some picture on the wall .

dayo2me:
how is that possible?

150 hours dance, she didn't sleep ni or take a rest cos i don't understand the dancing game?

She rests for some time before continuing.

Covenant University graduate Odumewu Debbie Sunmisola , a 22-year-old dancer has finally broken the Guinness World Record for the longest dance marathon . The graduate of policy and strategic studies started the attempt to break the world record of 123 hours and 15 minutes achieved by Kalamandalam Hemaletha at the Kerala Sangeetha Nadaka Academy in Thrissur, Kerala, India from 20 to 26 September 2010 on Saturday November 17 ,2017 . And it has been announced that she has surpassed the feat achieved by the Indian and is still going right now to complete a 150-hour dance marathon .

Let's celebrate her Nigeria !

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The 'Manya' crooner took to his Twitter page few minutes ago to accounce the name of his son - Zion Ayo-Balogun .