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Odkosh:What about those who ran without fighting? Do you want to be them too? |
Nice one IPOB. To think that a highly discredited party like APC wants to show their face in Anambra is despicable. I urge my fellow Ndi Anambra to embarass this party of Lucifer himself called APC by not coming out to join them in their show of shame. |
laudate:Stop twisting what I said. I didnt say Mr Apkan was irrelevant, I said what he said in his book about the unarmed civilians is irrelevant.What knd of Army shoots unarmed people? There is no Army in the world trained or authorised to kill unarmed people, they are trained to kill armed combatant enemies. The rules of engagement prevent the Army from shooting unarmed people. So it doesnt matter if it was Mickey Mouse or Ojukwu who sent the unarmed civilians against the Nigerian Army. If the unarmed civilians were killed, it is murder. In civilised countries, any member of the armed forces who shoots or kills an unarmed person without good reason will face a tribunal and if found guilty, will face anything from a death sentence to years of jail time or dismissal. So Akpan actually destroyed the reputation of the Nigerian Army, exposing them as terrorists from 50 years ago. Funny thing is that the Nigerian Army is still denying killing unarmed civilians to this day. I think the Nigerian Army should hold a press conference and let the world know that they support the killing of unarmed civilians, that way, the international community, IPOB and other civil liberty organisation can know what they are up against |
laudate:Nigerians are funny people. It is only a Nigerian that will see red and call it orange. There is a binding agreement that was signed sealed. You have not yet called out Gowon for not living up to his end of the deal, you are calling out Ojukwu for not accepting a reduced version of the deal? I laugh in Igbo So if you sign a contract with a contractor to build you a house, the contractor later comes back to tell you that he can only build 80% of the house despite a signed agreement being in place, what happens? You will accept a house built 80%? Well thats what you expected Ojukwu to do I wonder what you would have said if it was Ojukwu who said he could only implement 80% of his end of the Aburi deal? You would have been shouting and blaming Ojukwu for causing war by going back on a signed deal. The simple truth of the matter is that the North wanted political and economic control of Nigeria and they were not about to let Aburi or anything stop them from from implementing 'divide and rule' that would give them what they want. The only thing the North never counted on was that Igbos were not going to take it laying down. |
laudate:Dont change what I said. I said that the Nigerian Army "should" never shoot unarmed people. It is irrelevant what My NU Akpan said in his book about Ojukwu sendig unarmed people to face the Nigerian Army. Lets take the worst case scenario. Lets assume that indeed Ojukwu did send unarmed civilians to face the Nigerian Army. Did anyone tell you it is the job of the Army to shoot unarmed people? There is no National Army or Soldier that is mandated to shoot unarmed people, infact, they are not even allowed to shoot unarmed enemy soldiers. This is what separates the Army and a terrorist organisation. Terrorist organisations dont care who the kill, the Army should care. So if indeed what Mr Apkan said is true, it only goes to show that the Nigerian Army commited murder and that the Biafrans were right to defend themselves from such an uncivilised Army. It also goes to show the Nigerian Army and its long history of killing unarmed people, something they are not allowed to do. |
laudate:In Madiebos book, he debunks all that. But lets assume it did happen. The Nigerian Army should never shoot unarmed people. Anyone telling you that Soldiers are allowed to shoot unarmed people isnt telling you the truth. It is actually murder. To this day, the Nigerian Army are still shooting unarmed IPOB anyway so nothing has changed. |
laudate:You are listening to too much Yoruba propaganda. If Ojukwu was not a man of peace, he would not have gone to Aburi in the first place. But he went. An agreement was reach and signed. When they went back home, Gowon started deciding which percentage to give Ojukwu? What is that? How can someone sign an agreement then decide what percentage to implement? When you sign an agreement, you implement it 100% or dont sign at all! If Gowon felt that Aburi should be renegotiated, he should have recovened another meeting with all parties to ammend the existing contract. But to sign an agreement and start deciding the percentage to implement was pure foolishness on the part of Gowon and an insult to Ojukwu. If Ojukwu had accepted 80% like you said, what would have stopped Gowon coming back next week to say it is now 60%? No matter what percentage Ojukwu accepted or didnt accept, the fact that Gowon was going to abolish the 4 Regions and creste 12 states anyway made peace impossible. That singular act by Gowon is what led to war. When people say Ojukwu led his people in a war he could not win, I laugh. Ojukwu was in the best position to win the war. He had the man power and the Oil money. Had British Warships not blockaded Biafra preventing Ojukwu from selling Oil and importing arms, Ojukwu would have won. Britain won the war for Nigeria by blockading Biafra. Ojukwu fought a war to liberate his people from Hausa-Fulani controlled Nigeria. He may not have succeded but the fact that he tried where all other gave up is why his people respect him. Nobody said freedom is cheap, it costs a lot of lives to achieve |
allrightsir:This isnt about argument, this is about what the history books tell us. History cant be twisted because all of it has already happend. Starting with the overthrow of Ironsi, there was a 6 months period where thousands of Easterners, men, wimen and Children were being massacred all over Nigeria particularly in the North. With the disappearance of Ironsi, Ojukwu supported that the next highest ranking officer of the time, Brigadier Ogundipe should take over. The Northerners refused and installed Gowon who was junior to Ojukwu as head of state. Over 50,000 Easterners were killed, millions fled back home. The people of Eastern Nigeria besieged Ojukwu to pull them out of Nigeria since they were no longer safe in that country. With tensions mounting, a meeting was arranged on neutral grounds in Aburi Ghana. After 2 days of negotiations, Ojukwu and gowon signed the documents. The agreement provided that Ojukwu would recognise Gowon as head of state and accept 'one Nigeria'. But in return, Gowon was not allowed to change or make any far reaching decision on the 4 Regional structure of Nigeria unless all 4 Regional Military Governors agreed. Barely 5 months after this agreement was signed, Gowon broke this agreement by abolishing the 4 Regions and creating 12 states without informing anyone. This was the start of 'divide and rule' the Northerners have used to dominate Nigeria to this day With the Aburi agreement broken and the Eastern Region abolished, Ojukwu had only two choices. Accept Northern domination or seek independence. Ojukwu chose the latter. There was nothing like negotiating secession, not with Nothern Nigeria. If you must blame Ojukwu for causing the war by seceding, then you must first blame Gowon for breaking the Aburi agreement that forced Ojukwu to secede. You have to be fair to Ojukwu, he didnt get up one morning and declare Biafra for no reason. Ojukwu only started stockpiling weapons after he had declared Biafra. Ojukwu never declared war on anybody. Gowon felt it was his duty to keep Nigeria one and Ojukwu felt it was his duty to protect his people. At the end of the day, Nigeria is still the illegal colonial creation of the white man. Hausa/Igbo/Yoruba never agreed to come together for 'one Nigeria'. We were all forced together against our will by the British. That unholy union is still what Igbos have been fighting to get out of to this day. Why should an Igbo man be negotiating or asking for his freedom frim Nigeria if he never agreed to be part of Nigeria in the first place? Makes no sense. Thats why IPOB are right in what they are doing, they are protesting their illegal inclusion into Nigeria by Lugard in 1914. Any union kept together by the barrel of gun rather than the free will of the people is bound to end in disaster. That is the story of Nigeria so far. By the way, if Igbos achieve Biafra and any.of the minorities which to secede tomorow, they are free to do so. Igbos have no historical record of holding anyone against their will like Nigeria has |
Olu317:Ojukwu was authocratic and tempermental? All Military rulers are that way, thats the nature if their training. Its what they stand for that matters. Ojukwu stood for the independence of his people from the colonial creation called Nigeria and just that alone endeared him to his people.There is no winning side in Nigeria, the country is still as divided and messed up as the day Ojukwu declared Biafra which proves that Ojukwu was right to try and take his people in a different direction away from the failed state if Nigeria. |
allrightsir:Ojukwu was cornered. The man has already gone to Aburi to sign a peace deal. When that deal was abandoned by Gowon, what did people expect him to do? The war can be blamed squarely on Gowon. It was Gowon who broke the Aburi agreement, it was Gowon who declared war and it was Gowon who fired first on Biafra. |
Olu317:Azikiwe initially supported Biafra wholeheartedly at first. It was only in the later part that he switched sides, typical politician |
allrightsir:What is this 'cant win the war' thing you people keep chanting? If you are conered by 5 guys who want to fight you, do you say ' I cant win against 5 guys' and surrender so that they can do whatever they like to you or do say 'if Im going to go down, I go down fighting'.. Thats the position Ojukwu was in. 3 million souls may have been lost but Nigeria is not better for it. We are still as divided as ever and Nigeria has not progressed an inch as a nation |
Why was he picked up? Did he do something or is it just because he is IPOB? |
lx3as:I didnt say Adebayo ran From Govt House, I said he didnt sleep there because he thought the Northerners might kill him like they did Fajuyi. As for Fajuyi, wether he was killed because of Ironsi or not, the point is that he should have never been killed. I want see more Yorubas condemn the Northerners for killing their Governor rather than make excuses for them that it was because of Ironsi. As I said before, Adebayo was a good man and officer, I just wish he had stood up to the north on behalf of his Yoruba people. |
laudate:Ojukwu was a man of peace. Despite being senior to Gowon and great risk to his life, he went to Aburi to get peace. Gowon made peace impossible by breaking the agreement he signed in Ghana. By announcing the dissolution of the 4 Regions, Gowon destroyed the structural arrangement of Nigeria, forcing Ojukwu to secede. Ojukwu did all he could do for peace. The reality is that there were only two choices, 'accept domination or war'. Everybody except Ojukwu chose northern domination. As an Igbo man, Im proud of Ojukwu for not going down without a fight . |
AkinPhysicist:Go and find your country instead of claiming the one a white man created as your own. Go and learn what the concept of self determination is instead of parading your self as a mere British colonial product called 'Nigerian'. Go and get your sovereignty and develop your land instead of running around looking for who you will do 'one Nigeria' with Finally, develop the backbone to confront the Northerners when they mess up. Not that they will come to your Region, kill your Governor (Fajuyi ), chase away your most senior officer (Ogundipe) and later slaughter your brightest political star (MKO Abiola) and all you people could do is clap your hands. |
AkinPhysicist:Your people are found in larrge numbers in Western countries like America and Britain. What are they doing there when they have Nigeria. You should encourage them to return |
AkinPhysicist:Oh! You dont know you are a slave? You are answering the colonial name the white man gave you, claming the country Lugard created as your own but you dont know you are a slave. But when someone like Ojukwu created his own name and country, yoy will think he is a fool. Nigeria is country that the Notherners control 64% of the National Assembly, they control the Military, the Politics and the economy. So how are you not a slave? |
AkinPhysicist:Then you better go back and read hisory of the time because Biafra was all about freeing the people of Eastern Nigeria from "Northern controlled Nigeria'. The second world war cost 50 million to fight Nazi/German domination. That was the price of freedom The Biafran war was about fighting Northern domination, millions of lives lost was the attempt to be fee, one which Im proud of my people. Surrendering without a fight is a cowards way out of problems But fighting like a man despite all odds, thats for warriors. |
AkinPhysicist:A fool does not aspire to be free or to freedom. Freedom is an honourable thing to fight, and if need be, die for. I wouldnt expect you to understand what I mean. There are some people who's brain has been conditioned to accept slavery |
AkinPhysicist:I would rather commit 3 million lives in a fight for freedom than accept slavery out of fear. Thats how important freedom is for some people |
AkinPhysicist:Doesnt matter if it was 200%. Therr is no excuse to being reduced to a slave in your own land by foreigners |
AkinPhysicist:Spared the lives of his people? From who? The Northerners? Is that the level you people have raised them? No wonder |
laudate:Sorry bro but secession is not prelude to war. That a people seceded does not mean that only war can be employed to resolve the issue. Gowon could have gone for a second Aburi meeting, discussions, referendum. Of all the peaceful ways Gowon could have gone about Biafra, he chose war as his first and last resort Adebayo was a signatory to the Aburi agreement, he signed on behalf of the the Western Nigeria. Yet he could never call Gowo out for breaking the agreement they all signed in Ghana. Personally, I think Adebayo was a good man and a fine officer, but his docility is shocking. Adebayo should have been the first Military President of an independent Oduduwa Republic. Instead, he was reduced to saluting Gowon who was far his junior in the Army. What a pity that only Ojukwu had the guts to stand up to Northern domination |
laudate:Adebayo was at Aburi, why didnt he warn Gowon about threading the path of war as well? Or is it only Ojukwu who needs advice? |
That is video raw video of the Nigerian Army shooting Biafran protesters in Porthacourt last year. I wish that disgraceful Rabe Abubakar had watched this. |
shukuokukobambi:At least Ojukwu fought 3 years before running away. Compare that to Adebayo, Ogundipe and Obasunjo. 3 Yoruba military leaders who surrendered to Northerners not only without a fight, but without an atom of protest. They should have tried fighting to at least get to Ojukwus stage. |
SuperS1Panther:Funny because they have been fighting to be on their own while the rest of Nigerians have been fighting to be with them. |
Well if the Nigerian Army can shoot IPOB for waving Biafran flags, why cant Customs shoot people for possessing bags of Rice? That is Nigeria for you. |
My only criticism of him was that as a signatory to the Aburi agreement, he should have spoken up for the western Region when Gowon broke the Agreement by dissolving the 4 Regions and creating 12 states. General Adebayo was senior to Gowon. It is unfortunate that he, along with the Yoruba nation, just could never stand up to Northerners. Adebayo, as Military Governor of the Western Region did not sleep in Government House because he was scared that he might be killed like Fajuyi. A Yoruba man who could not sleep in his official residence in his own land out of fright of the Northerners! Tufiakwa! |
He took over after Fajuyi was slaughtered by the Northeners. Who was one of the few officers of the time who came out with his intergrity intact |
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If Gowon gave at least 80% of what was agreed upon at Aburi, and Ojukwu had accepted it then, it would have shown that Ojukwu was a man of peace who was ready to do everything to avert a war.
) robbed Abia State - thereby enslaving thousands of Abians in the process. For Abians, OUK, is worse than a thousand Hausa-Fulani slave masters. The name Biafra was coined by the Portuguese - so even Biafra is a colonial name. Ojukwu did not create the name Biafra. Yes. Ojukwu was not only a fool and a coward, he was a socio-pathetic mediocre officer. Who lead 3 millions souls to hades. WE YORUBAS ARE FREEBORN SOULS. YOU IBOS HOWEVER MIGHT BE OSUS. GET SENSE. IF NOT SHATAP.