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Both men are disasters and fall short of what leaders of a progresive country should be.

Neither Buhari or 'Osubande' are qualified

SuperPanther:
Then what is the way forward?

Continuous agitation until when the 3 arms of Government, stakeholders,traditional institutions and the international community all unanimoulsly agree

walemoney007:
i dont still understand why our senators cant push for a bill that will allow secession in the nigeria constitution

There is no point pushing something that has no chance of ever being passed in the House.

kropotkin2:
Britain operates an unwritten, flexible constitution, while ours is modelled after the american constitution. A referendum to breakup the country cannot be held unless the constitution is amended to insert such a clause. Buhari has no power to do this.

A referebdum does not have to be in the contitution. If all parties agree to respect and accept the outcome, it can be conducted. Referendum or not, Nigeria is heading for disintegration. And when that day comes, Im going to buy the most expensive drink I can afford and toast the freedom of me and my fellow Igbos.

hollyray2016:
lol! if Yorubas decide to leave Nigeria who can stop us we are not Igbo, reminder!

You could be right. When Igbos left Nigeria for Biafra, Nigeria came to fight for 3 years to bring Igbos back into Nigeria

If Yorubas leave Nigeria, nobody is going to fight to bring them back as no one considers them important.

kropotkin2:
Because a referendum is unknown to our constitution. If Buhari dares try it he will be impeached and sent to Kuje to share a same cell with dilector Kanu

Referendum is not known in Britains constitution but they used twice in the last 3 years, in the Scottish independence vote and the EU vote.

This is the same Britain that created Nigeria. Referendum does not have to be in the constitution to be used.

wirinet:
You are just arguing blindly and senselessly. You are like a religious fundamentalist who is ready to die defending a false belief.
Ironsi destroyed our regional system with decree 34. He is the actual person that created one Nigeria, before Ironsi we had 4 in one Nigeria. Each region controlled its own resources and Government. Ironsi was an opportunist who saw the January coup as an opportunity to abrogate power to himself. If he did not promulgate decree 34 destroying the regions, Gowon would never have been able to use the same degree to change the federation from 4 provinces to 12 states.

If Ironsi was not so power hungry, he would have simply prosecuted all involved in the Botched January coup, irrespective of tribe, Punished all those found guilty and handed over power back to the civilians, including the regions. All these could have been achieved within 6 months.
If he had done these, he would have become a legend in Nigeria and the whole of Africa.

You guys need to start reading Nigerian history. Under Ironsi, all four Regions were practicing resource control and fiscal practice, even after the enacting of decree 34.

Also, Gowon did not use decree 34 to create 12 states. Decree 34 was abolished in January 1967 at Aburi, Gowon announced state creation in May of that year.


Ironsi cannot be accused of destroying Regionalism as all 4 Regions maintained their status under Ironsi, all that changed was their relationship with the centre.

The person who destroyed Regionalism in Nigeria was Gowon when he created 12 states from the 4 Regions.

Most Yorubas still think Ojukwu was a fool for fighting for freedom.


So how will Yorubas breakout of Nigeria if they th8nk that Igbos who have done it before are fools.

Yorubas dont have what it takes to breakout of Nigeria, they should first approach Igbos and ask for free lessons in self determination 101

Zik wrote the Biafran national Anthem? That is news to me because I read differently elsewhere.


Going by what Zik said at the Nigerian Embassy in London where he announced his return to 'one Nigeria' after initially supporting Biafra, it seems that Zik lost faith in the war.

Having witnessed death, suffering and starvation, he decided that enough was enough.


Definitely, Zik would never have abandoned Biafra if Biafra had been winning. Zik was a politician at the end of the day, politicians are prone to 'decamping'

edoboy33:
your quest for freedom don't generalise pls
if buhari decides to hold a poll today the number of Igbo's that will reject Biafra will be more than those that will accept it

If that is true, they why doesnt Buhari hold a referendum?

edoboy33:
igbos have invested in Nigeria more than any other tribe Nigerians love Igbo's Igbo's love Nigerians we can't afford to seperate

What is tbe point of all that investments if Igbos dont have autonomy, Sovereignty and freedom?

Guy wake up from your slumber, not only Igbos have investments all over Nigeria. The Chinese, the Indians and even Britain have huge investments in Nigeria too. Do you see any of these countries looking for 'one Nigeria'.



Scotland was part of Britain for over 300 years, they almost left Britain in a 2014 referendum abd they presently planning another referendum.

Of course he is. Only such a person would equate IPOB who have killed no one to boko haram who have killed many. At the end of the day, we know their mindset, anything to keep the Northern oligarchy in control of Nigeria. Awolowo taught them well, that everything good in Nigeria comes out of licking the a$$ of the North,

Rudolph Okonkwo is a good writer.No doubt he has a wealth of knowledge and introspection about the world and Nigeria. The problem with people like Rudolph is that they don't want to face the real question, the tough question. Does Nigeria work as a nation? Are we really a united people despite our cultural, religious, traditional and ideological divides? It doesn't matter who is in Aso Rock come 2019, how will this person unite Nigeria for a progressive agenda? Just this persons religion will make him and enemy of south or North (Christian or Muslim). How will this person convince Nigerians to believe in a 'one Nigeria' amidst a recession plagued Nigeria? How will this person convince all political blocs in Nigeria that he comes for all? Obasunjo couldn't do it in the North or Niger Delta. GEJ couldn't do it in the North, SW and Middle bel. And right now, Buhari cant do it in in the SE,SS and even parts of the NE and SW who voted for him.

People talk about Atiku, but if he campaigns in 2019 on supporting 'true federalism' we all know what is going to happen. The North will reject him, he will get some support in the SE/SS while the SW will continue with their APC (they don't have a choice). Giving Buhari a landslide. Funny thing is that a shady characters like Atiku (and Buhari) are not fit to run any country in Africa.

I think the important question Rudolph should start asking is not about 2019 but if Nigeria works as a nation, because if the answer is that Nigeria does not work as a nation, it doesn't matter who gets elected, Adolph Hitler or sister Theresa, nothing will still work.

Sorry bro but the federation of Nigeria was already negotiated in Aburi, Ghana for 2 days on the 4th and 5th of January 1967. It was signed and sealed. Unfortunately, the Northerners and their Yoruba ally's don't know anything about self determination which is why an unnecessary war had to be fought and why Nigeria cannot work as a nation.

ajepako:
If by definition of afonja...and you mean the Yorubas...

Well l am Yoruba and l am here on this thread... condemning this barbarity towards fellow human being in its entireity...

Oh really? But tomorrow you and your people will shout that everybody must 'one Nigeria' with the same people who commit such barbaric acts. who are you deceiving? you condemn barbarians and barbaric acts but insist that we should all be under the same umbrella with barbarians. Now what do you really expect an Igbo man like me who once fought a civil war to get be free of these barbarians to think of you?

Congratulations to IPOB. The Almajiri president now knows he is not welcome

LorDBolton:
Per the bolded, if you say so.

What's there to say? He was killed for having a Biafran flag in his car? Is it part of the duties of the Nigerian Army to shoot people who have Biafran flags in their car?

PHILipu1:
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But i am a Nigeria and Biafra wants to claim our territory in south-east to make a Biafra republic.
They should go and find their promised land and nobody will stop them

What territory? You are from Edo state right? I just told you that Edo state is not part of the proposed Biafra, so what again?

LorDBolton:
He died a foolish death

Not really, he was murdered by your Nigerian Army for no reason.

PHILipu1:
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A fool like you will not know that Edo has majority of people on that delegation and we are getting our 13% derivation ok.

We are the heart beat of Nigeria and also the whole Niger delta.

We are for APC because we don't play politics of tribalisim and religion like the foolish Biafra people who religion and tribalism will not allow them to move forward.


We are more advance than you guys.

I hope you know that Edo state is not part of the proposed Biafra? So why are you giving your self headache for nothing?

MrMcJay:
None of Ojukwu's children died of starvation during the Civil War. They were all well fed and cozy in the bunkers.

None of Uwazurike's children has ever been shot or even arrested for Pro-Biafa activities. They are all flexing in the wealth gotten from the Biafran struggle by Uwazurike.

None of Kanu's relations has been arrested for the Biafran struggle. His wife chose to protest for Biafra abroad. Why didn't she come to Onitsha or Aba?

There are more effective ways of fighting this Biafran struggle. This is the 21st Century, there is no point taking a knife to a gunfight. Diplomacy, Pressure and tact are very important.

Wisdom is profitable to direct.

Why do some people like you like reasoning through your anus? What has all you wrote above got to do with the topic at hand? A young man was shot by your armed forces for simply having a Biafran flag in his car. Is it ok that you be shot tomorrow for having a Chinese flag in your car? Where in the civilised world have you heard that people get killed because of the type of flag they have in their car? You people are just incredible!

Mentioning Ojukwu and Kanu yet it is your Armed forces that is killing innocent people on a daily bases.

Later you will look at all this and say Nigeria should be one. How despicable!

omofunaab:
Lol, so taking up arms without achieving anything is now bravery.. I laugh in Swahili.. ...go and read what yorubas have fought for and achieved without taking up arms..we started unionism in Nigeria for God sake ..you igbos believe bravery is all about being killed or killing someone .if that's your definition of bravery then I prefer to be a coward and afonja

Taking up arms is about fighting to death for something that you believe in, there are no guarantees it will achieve anything same as there are no guarantees in life. But having the guts to even take up that fight, that's what bravery is about. That level of bravery is beyond the Yorubas, you guys don't have it in you and never will. All you guys know is how to congratulate your selves for avoiding military conflict by being subservient to the North.

aresa:
You can do without Nigeria, but from the sorry state of your socially and economically depressed and unproductive region and also the fact that you have to leave your states and moved to other parts of Nigeria for survival, and the fact that you are yet to leave other parts of Nigeria and move back to your villages to prove that you can do without Nigeria means you are either delusional, lying to yourself or just talking out od the side of your neck..

You can not do without Nigeria.

This excuse you Yorubas use all the time that Igbos live in other parts of Nigeria is stale as the beans I ate last week. There many Yorubas in Britain and America, does that mean that Yoruba land is not viable? Do you guys know the amount of Igbos living in other African countries? It is when they live in Nigeria that it translates to mean they can't be independent. Why is it even the Yoruba man' headache if the Igbos can survive or not? The same Igbos survived without Nigeria and under serious war conditions for three years, is it in peace times they won't survive? Jokers

omofunaab:
Lol very funny, yorubas have fought so many wars in the past, we fought among ourselves in the past but today we see each other as one entity, we don't hate eachother. When OPC was turning to nuisance in our land, we spoke against them because we felt we don't need thug like people roaming the streets... Our civilization has made us peaceful. Yorubas were brave enough to move a motion for nigeria's independence... We were brave enough to stay in the opposition for so many years, this is the first time of igbos staying in the opposition and we no dey hear word again. The igbos that calls us coward are not intelligent.. We yorubas speak for ourselves and also for them.. A yoruba man victor banjo fought for biafra, a Yoruba man helped in the coup that insatalled aguyi ironsi as head of state, ,wole Soyinka was an ardent supporter of biafra, even when the north was stampeding on Jonathan becoming president after yar adua's death it was the yorubas that went to protest, also in 2011 the north wanted power to come back to them, it was obasanjo that made Jonathan become pdp flag bearer hereby making the likes of atiku to dump the party, the north fears the yorubas more than any tribe.. We don't take shit. .the biafra nation you people are shouting about, none of your leaders have even spoken about it but you see fani kayode, Fayose cry everyday when the army were using you for shooting practice. Yorubas fight for you,after all the threats of how the zoo will collapse and the zoo is still standing, even the south south are the ones helping you in your agitation while you just sit back with your phone and cheer them on, and you pathetic ignoramus talk abt bravery... .your bravery starts and ends with chest beat beating and nothing more.. Before igbos can produce fearless people like gani fawehinmi , fela anikulapo, chief Mrs funmilola ransome kuti, it will take a long time , I mean those that are willing to sacrifice theirselves for what they believe in and not those that will open account and start telling you to donate money for biafra that Putin is behind them.or that will sell you a passport to nowhere . .ojukwu was not even ready to sacrifice himself for what he made others to believe in, he ran after making sure over 3million igbos lost their lives ..most leaders will die for such thing and tell you that even if they die another person will continue from where they had stopped... An Mko Abiola that died fighting for his mandate and democracy is the one igbos call cowards .most of you do say we are cowards because we voted for buhari, even though not everybody likes buhari down here.. Buhari got just 55% here in the south west and am very sure if buhari fails to deliver on his promises then he shouldn't expect 30% come 2019..
Igbos don't you ever call those who fight for you cowards again

All that above, is that what you people call bravery? Banjo leading an Army Igbos gave him? Soyinka supporting Biafra? Fumilayo Kuti being fearless?................ That's all mediocre. You Yorubas are the only people in the south of Nigeria who have never taken up Arms to fight for anything out of your fear of the North. Igbos have had an axe to grind with the North and Nigeria, they took up arms in the Biafran war for three years. Many of the the minorities of Southern Nigeria have had an axe to grind with the North and Nigeria, they took up arms at various times with MEND, NDVF, NDA. But despite the Yorubas having many beefs with North and Nigeria such as, the killing of MKO and his mandate, the killing of one time Military Governor of the Western Region, the refusal of true federalism, the denying of of Brigadier Ogundipe from becoming Head of state and many others, Yorubas have done nothing but pay lip service. Infact, the Yorubas who have never taken up arms because of their fear of the North even call Ojukwu who has had the guts to take up arms a coward. I laugh in Igbo

Victorvexz:
U can keep deceiving urself. The great Igbo race I know will never allow a charlatan like Nnamdi Kanu be its mouth piece or leader, that's an abomination. He is the leader of hopeless and frustrated Igbo, because the majority of igbos are not frustrated

You are the one even elevating Kanu to leadership. Even Kanu has said it many times that he has no wish to be a Biafran or Igbo leader. He is only interested in leading the struggle for independence after which he will return to his business.

Normality:
Biafran anthem sparks love and patriotism in one's heart, this Nigerian anthem, my brother, the lyrics are like what is forced on people, no emotions no nothing.

"Arise Oh Campatroits!"
"Nigeria call Obey!"
"To serve Our Father Land!"

My God! The thing sounds like a general dishing out orders in the War front.

Are Yorubas cowards? The vast majority of Igbos think so. Personally, I think their fear of the North dictates their life.

Typical case of someone who's house is burning and they are rejoicing that they have finally rid of the Rats. I don't think that the OP realises that even Buhari has done much more to destroy 'one Nigeria' than Kanu even did. Nnamdi Kanu remains the face of self determination and freedom, everyday he is in prison only increases his persona as a 'mandela' to the vast majority of Igbos.

superman:
thread driving to nowhere

make no sense

Of course it makes no sense. Only a morron will urge the Igbos to throw away their God given right to their sovereignty in the name of a 'British creation' called Nigeria.

superstar1:
The most, the bleaching yellow pawpaw Ayatollah of Alaigbo aka Our Dilector, is remembering God now.

When you were calling for the killing of other ethnicities, was that God?

When you were preaching hate, was that what you God sent you to do?

When you were promising to wage war against against Sovereign State, is your own God a God of anarchy?

When you were calling people that are older than your father unprintable names, was that God's commandment too?

When you were running illegal radio station, inciting some against others and giving some gullible headless chickens false hope, were you obeying God.

Your God must be Satan if he commanded you to do all that. Terrorists lie against God too. Unfortunately for you, cane removes the stubbornness and madness in child while Kuje Prison has been purging deranged fellows like you of their madness since 1752.

DSS detention has a way of resetting a hardy deranged brain back to factory setting.

Oh! You are angry that Nnamdi Kanu used unflattering words on his Radio station? Which he did not force you tune into? You have misplaced priorities then. If you are angry at spoken words, I wonder how you feel about those who have since graduated from spoken words to real action such as Boko Haram, herdsmen attacks and killings, Niger-Delta Avengers? You have a problem with Kanu's mouth but not others with gun's? Get a life.

Abagworo:
Lying will not change known fact that Okorocha did the APC moves with APGA leadership only to be betrayed by Anambrians for juicy patronage from Jonathan. We must not shy away from truth if we must arrive at anything meaningful. We all knew that Buhari of APC must defeat Jonathan and had the opportunity to join the winning team but for selfishness of those Anambra leaders mainly because Okorocha had and still has upper hand in terms of national acceptability.

So you think this is about winning? No wonder you and Okorohausa still don't get it until today. This about the people not personal political ambition. Okorohausa was jumping from PDP to ANPP to AA looking for salvation he could not get. But when the Igbo based APGA took him in was when he finally found that salvation. Okorocha became one of the most popular Igbo politicians around. When APC was being formed, Igbos took a critical look at its composition and decided that the party was not for them. Okorocha should have stayed loyal to his people and the political family that gave him election victory. And if he felt he must be in APC, he should have resigned his APGA mandate. That's what an honourable man should have done. But what did he do? For his own political gain and his presidential ambition, he abandoned his people and he did it in a crass way unbecoming of a man of intergrity. He lambasted APGA that gave him victory as a 'local party', insulted Ndi-Anambra and arrogated him self the role of the only savvy Igbo politician out there. What has now become of all that? Life for the average Nigerian has become much tougher than it was under PDP, APC has had a disasterous year in office where they have managed to plunge the country deeper into debt, instability and economic recession. Meanwhile, all Okorohausa can think about is how Imo state will produce the first South east APC Senate president as if that will in anyway help the starving common man.