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The Bible does not permit us to give alcohol to people:

*. Habakkuk 2:15 "KJV: WOE UNTO HIM THAT GIVETH HIS NEIGHBOUR DRINK, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their unclothedness!"

MaxInDHouse:
He feels JWs like engaging in fruitless arguments the way he's been doing with his fellow Churchgoers.
It's obvious he doesn't understand what a study is because if he does at least he should understand that people study for a purpose.
It's the custom of atheists to continue studying without coming to an agreement on the way forward very very unlike believers who knew the import of STUDYING: BENEFITS!

People have come for the Bible study nau.
Let the study start. Which topic is 1st?

Janosky:
**1 & **3:
Genesis 16:7
1599 Geneva Bible

7 ¶ But the [h]Angel of the Lord found her beside a fountain in the way of Shur,

Footnotes
h. Genesis 16:7 Which was Christ, as appeareth verse 13 and Gen. 18:17.

Bros, according to your claim, Your Bible says "the God you see in the OT is that Jesus "angel of the Lord" you denied @ Genesis 16:7-13.

The implications of your claim is luminous.
Jesus is your God in the OT = Jesus is the angel of the Lord."
Your denial of the Scriptural fact ends up in the dustbin.


2.
Bros, according to your claim : "Thus he (Jesus) isn't any other being existing somewhere before"
Therefore, Bros, you are saying "Jesus is the God in the OT" is FALSE.
Bros, na you talk am. Ooooooo




Genesis 16:7-13
New International Version
7 The angel of the Lord(A) found Hagar near a spring(B) in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur.(C) 8 And he said, “Hagar,(D) slave of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?”(E)

“I’m running away from my mistress Sarai,” she answered.

9 Then the angel of the Lord told her, “Go back to your mistress and submit to her.” 10 The angel added, “I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count.”(F)

11 The angel of the Lord(G) also said to her:

“You are now pregnant
and you will give birth to a son.(H)
You shall name him(I) Ishmael,[a](J)
for the Lord has heard of your misery.(K)
12 He will be a wild donkey(L) of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward[b] all his brothers.(M)”

13 She gave this name to the Lord who spoke to her: “You are the God who sees me,(N)” for she said, “I have now seen[c] the One who sees me.”(O)


Is Jesus Christ not your God in the old testament?
@ Genesis 16:7-13, Your God in the old testament calls himself "angel" who spoke to Hagar.

Your fellow Trinity mentors and crew members says yes, in Genesis 16:7-13, Jesus your Triune deity is "angel"
The holy Scriptures is accurate.


Hupernikao, the truth is bitter.
Continue to console yourself with GIBBERISH

e don hook you for neck you come dey copy and paste the same thing over and over,

iKingsley:
Oga, behave, you don't have to show your immaturity.
If it's easy, go and start your own church. As simple as that

"[/b]...
If it's easy, go and start your own church. "[b]

Correct statement...

MaxInDHouse:
Alcohol came with civilization as people continue to improve in things made. Nobody says people should be filled with alcohol which has it's purpose back in those days but whether it's bread, meat, wine or water too much of everything is bad.
Alcohol was used back then the same way we use spirit/iodine on wounds, soldiers use it most because during battles we secure lots of wounds, to prevent germs and other deadly bacteria from the surface of the wound we apply alcohol and also drink out of it to kill the germs or bacteria that has entered into the body while fighting and unable to attend to injuries.
Some amongst us feel high with it as it makes us forget our worries for instance our colleagues that has fallen, some whose bodies were shattered and we feel like getting vengeance for the soul of our friends.
No matter the kind of God you PREACH about as long as you're in support of soldiers going to fight in battles your preaching against alcohol or strong drink is flawed already, because soldiers don't go to wars without something to shack them like alcohol and/or marijuana!
So instead of arguing blindly about the intake just say exactly what God says:
Whether bread, water, tea, meat, wine or alcohoic beverages, too much of everything is bad!
Remember NO ADDITION and NO SUBTRACTION! Revelations 22:18-19
May you have PEACE!

"[/b]
No matter the kind of God you PREACH about as long as you're in support of soldiers going to fight in battles your preaching against alcohol or strong drink is flawed already, because soldiers don't go to wars without something to shack them like alcohol and/or marijuana!"[b]


This is one of the many ironies of this life - those who say their members should not go to war give them license to drink alcohol
while those who say those of their members who are in army can fight war, are the ones who are against alcohol.

Note:
Our members who are in the army can fight war. They are discharging their duties.
But those of us who are not in the army don't put up arms for whatever reason.
Stop believing Watch Tower lies..


Why then are you people encouraged to drink alcohol?
1. To help give you boldness as you go to knock at people's doors

2. to prevent you from accepting other people opinions

3. to cause you read the Bible out of context ( Janosky and DappaD are chief on this)

4. to misinterpret the Word and....

5......?

MaxInDHouse:
Alcohol came with civilization as people continue to improve in things made. Nobody says people should be filled with alcohol which has it's purpose back in those days but whether it's bread, meat, wine or water too much of everything is bad.
Alcohol was used back then the same way we use spirit/iodine on wounds, soldiers use it most because during battles we secure lots of wounds, to prevent germs and other deadly bacteria from the surface of the wound we apply alcohol and also drink out of it to kill the germs or bacteria that has entered into the body while fighting and unable to attend to injuries.
Some amongst us feel high with it as it makes us forget our worries for instance our colleagues that has fallen, some whose bodies were shattered and we feel like getting vengeance for the soul of our friends.
No matter the kind of God you PREACH about as long as you're in support of soldiers going to fight in battles your preaching against alcohol or strong drink is flawed already, because soldiers don't go to wars without something to shack them like alcohol and/or marijuana!
So instead of arguing blindly about the intake just say exactly what God says:
Whether bread, water, tea, meat, wine or alcohoic beverages, too much of everything is bad!
Remember NO ADDITION and NO SUBTRACTION! Revelations 22:18-19
May you have PEACE!

"[/b]...Alcohol was used back then the same way we use spirit/iodine on wounds, soldiers use it most because during battles we secure lots of wounds, to prevent germs and other deadly bacteria from the surface of the wound we apply alcohol and also drink out of it to kill the germs or bacteria that has entered into the body while fighting and unable to attend to injuries.
Some amongst us feel high with it as it makes us forget our worries for instance our colleagues that has fallen, some whose bodies were shattered and we feel like getting vengeance for the soul of our friends...."[b]

You are very correct!
This corresponds with the Bible where It says GIVE ALCOHOL TO THOSE WHO ARE READY TO PERISH:

*. Proverbs 31:6 "KJV: GIVE STRONG DRINK UNTO HIM THAT IS READY TO PERISH, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts."


But my question now is - now that you are no longer in the war front, why do you still drink?

the word PERISH reminds me of Jesus who was given to us so that if we believe we'll not PERISH. John 3:16

I read it like this " whoever believes in Him should not PERISH"
Or
"whoever believes in Him should not drink alcohol"

Alcohol is for those who want to PERISH in time and eternity.

MaxInDHouse:
Alcohol came with civilization as people continue to improve in things made. Nobody says people should be filled with alcohol which has it's purpose back in those days but whether it's bread, meat, wine or water too much of everything is bad.
Alcohol was used back then the same way we use spirit/iodine on wounds, soldiers use it most because during battles we secure lots of wounds, to prevent germs and other deadly bacteria from the surface of the wound we apply alcohol and also drink out of it to kill the germs or bacteria that has entered into the body while fighting and unable to attend to injuries.
Some amongst us feel high with it as it makes us forget our worries for instance our colleagues that has fallen, some whose bodies were shattered and we feel like getting vengeance for the soul of our friends.
No matter the kind of God you PREACH about as long as you're in support of soldiers going to fight in battles your preaching against alcohol or strong drink is flawed already, because soldiers don't go to wars without something to shack them like alcohol and/or marijuana!
So instead of arguing blindly about the intake just say exactly what God says:
Whether bread, water, tea, meat, wine or alcohoic beverages, too much of everything is bad!
Remember NO ADDITION and NO SUBTRACTION! Revelations 22:18-19
May you have PEACE!

"[/b]...whether it's bread, meat, wine or water too much of everything is bad..."[b]

I disagree with the above. I contended this with the Catholic. It is a common statement among them.

In the Bible people took it and misbehaved.
At contemporary, people are taking it and misbehaving.

Somebody became naked after taking it. Another slept with his daughters after taking it.
Another talked rubbish and insulted people after taking it, and a lot of other things that suppose not as becoming saints ( Ephesians 5:3)

Both then and now it has not been heard that somebody committed one of the above as a result of BREAD, MEAT, WINE (tonic wine) or WATER...

So, when people say "too much of anything is bad" we have to recognize the area of exceptions.

The opposite statemt of this philosophy is
"too little of anything is good"

No, max, quantity is not a yardstick used to measure/recognize good things or bad things.

If bad thing is small or little, it is still a bad thing; and if a good thing is small or little, it is still a good thing, this is the Kingdom standard.

Practically, no small amount of POISON that is considered harmless.
And alcohol is a poison ( Deuteronomy 32:33).

A secular resent research confirm this when they discovered that no matter how small alcohol is taking, it still causes harm.

You can check it out:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www..com/talk/topic

DownChelsea:
who is this one that doesn't even understand the religion he claims to belong to?

My Bible says alcohol is not for me a king.

I'm made King by unmerited favour of God.
My new position has conditions attache to it.
And I must show gratitude for this unmerited favour by regarding the position and it conditions.

*. Proverbs 31:4 "KJV:It is not for kings, O Lemuel, IT IS NOT FOR KINGS TO DRINK wine; nor for princes STRONG DRINK:"

*. Revelation 5:10 "KJV:And (Jesus) HAST MADE US UNTO OUR GOD KINGS and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

Note:
IT IS NOT FOR KINGS TO DRINK STRONG DRINK
JESUS HAST MADE US UNTO OUR GOD KINGS.

I asked kobojunkie and now you,
are you one of these?

DownChelsea:
who is this one that doesn't even understand the religion he claims to belong to?

this your statement is more or less Condemnation rather than Correction.

If you have a better understanding of my religion, then present it for somebody wants to KNOWMORE.

I will like to know if you are a drunk and the verse that gives you the license.

MaxInDHouse:
hupernikao will say "that place never mentioned "Jesus"" therefore Pastor KNOWMORE is wrong!

Jesus is ALL, and in all...
*. Colossians 3:11 "KJV:Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but CHRIST IS ALL, AND IN ALL."

*. Ephesians 4:6 "KJV:One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

Note:
the Son is ALL and in all; the Father is ALL and in all

He ( JESUS) has said categorically that if you (max) don't believe that He ( Jesus) is He (the only true God), you will die in your sins.

Do you want to die in your sins, maxInDHouse?

*. John 8:24 "KJV:I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS."

He said this because the Pharisees doubted His personality, saying "THOU A MAN MAKEST THYSELF GOD"

*. John 10:33 "KJV:The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that THOU, being A MAN, MAKEST THYSELF GOD."

Janosky:
Bros, you wrote GIBBERISH.


5 centuries ago, Geneva Bible Translators, your Trinity mentors, said Jesus Christ is archangel Michael and an angel of Jehovah @ Daniel 10:13. 12:1 & Joshua 5:14
This fact has been confirmed by KNOWMORE56, your fellow Trinitarian.

Bros, the same 'oly ghost is teaching you & your fellow Trinitarians, meet them for further expositions or continue typing GIBBERISH.

Happy Sunday!

Jesus is ALL, and in all...

*. Colossians 3:11 "KJV:Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but CHRIST IS ALL, AND IN ALL."

*. Ephesians 4:6 "KJV:One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

Note:
the Son is ALL and in all; the Father is ALL and in all

He ( JESUS) has said categorically that if you (Janosky) don't believe that He ( Jesus) is He (the only true God), you will die in your sins.

*. John 8:24 "KJV:I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS."

He said this because the Pharisees doubted His personality, saying "THOU A MAN MAKEST THYSELF GOD"

Do you want to be a Pharisee, Janosky?

*. John 10:33 "KJV:The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that THOU, being A MAN, MAKEST THYSELF GOD."

Whatever, they said they want to go and you have to respect that decision

Alcohol is not something one can be filled with.

But you can eat food to the full.
You can drink water to the full.
You can drink good wine to the full.
But you can not drink alcohol to the full, no.

*. Exodus 16:8 "KJV:And Moses said, This shall be, when the Lord shall give you in the evening flesh to EAT, and in the morning bread TO THE FULL; for that the Lord heareth your murmurings which ye murmur against him: and what are we? your murmurings are not against us, but against the Lord."

*. Leviticus 26:5 "KJV:And your threshing shall reach unto the vintage, and the vintage shall reach unto the sowing time: and ye shall EAT YOUR BREAD TO THE FULL, and dwell in your land safely"

*. Deuteronomy 8:10 "KJV: WHEN THOU HAST EATEN AND ART FULL, then thou shalt bless the Lord thy God for the good land which he hath given thee."

MaxInDHouse:
Research shows that 99.99999% of problems in this world comes from Money {1Timothy 6:9-10; 2Timothy 3:2 compare to Luke 18:18-23} and Women {19:10-22} here Jesus advised his followers to abstain from women if they can! 1Corinthians 7:1-2

All over the world there is no Compound, Country or Continent where ban is placed on money and women as causing problems.

But there are many Compounds, Countries and Continents with the ban on alcohol.

MaxInDHouse:
Research shows that 99.99999% of problems in this world comes from Money {1Timothy 6:9-10; 2Timothy 3:2 compare to Luke 18:18-23} and Women {19:10-22} here Jesus advised his followers to abstain from women if they can! 1Corinthians 7:1-2

What does your research reveal about alcohol?

Kobojunkie:
LOL...I already told you earlier that where it concerns the Truth of God, the first thing you should do is DIE to your Self... your ego and biases included for that is the only way to become like a child, a prerequisite where it concerns those who will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

Jesus Christ did not condemn prostitutes but He did give them the very same measure that He gave to all others which is that those who will enter into His Kingdom, those who love Him even, are those who obey His commandments. So, yes, the prostitutes were on the mark. If you had known the Truth of God yourself, you would have known quite well that Jesus Christ said, "I have not come to condemn but to save". However, I can see how that message would not resonate with you since you believe Jesus Christ a liar instead and this from all you have put forth on this topic.

I hate to disappoint you. I am not a drunk... I drink occasionally....even make my own alcoholic wine using yeast and any available juice for my communion even. But alcohol is not one of my addictions... I couldn't get addicted to it even if I wanted to.

[/b]
"...alcohol is not one of my addictions... I couldn't get addicted to it..."[b]

Jesus told you that at Matthew 15 :1-20
or who are you obeying?

Lol, kobojunkie, go and check the harm alcohol is causing in your brain.

And stop accusing Jesus of giving you license, ok.

jmoore:
Stop confusing yourself.
Wine is wine. All wine are alcoholic.

There is nothing like nonalcoholic wine.


If you studied Chemistry in secondary school, you should have known what is fermentation.

[/b]
"...what is fermentation"[b]

"Fermentation in food processing is the process of converting carbohydrates to alcohol or organic acids..."

What is the meaning of the word SOBER?

*. Titus 2:12 "KJV:Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, WE SHOULD LIVE SOBERLY, righteously, and godly, in this present world"

*. 1 Peter 4:7 "
KJV:But the end of all things is at hand: BE YE THEREFORE SOBER, and watch unto prayer."

*. 1 Peter 5:8 "KJV: BE SOBER, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:"

*. Titus 2:6 "KJV:Young men likewise exhort to BE SOBER minded."

I asked people to know their reasons for drinking alcohol:

the greater number of people drink because they see others drinking.

Some drink to "get high", "lear the eye" ( they want to be bold).

Some see it as means of pleasure.

Kobojunkie:
By suggesting there that Jesus Christ told you that alcohol is poison to your mind reveals that you are still not being Truthful. I know this because the same Jesus Christ stated that one of the signs of those who follow Him is that they will drink poison and it will not harm them.
You need to be sure what spirit you listen to because the Spirit that is of God will never contradict God's Truth.

"[/b]....those who follow Him is that they will drink poison and it will not harm them."[b]

Lol, you want to die before your time do to lack of proper scriptural understanding.

You can continue to take your poison. Good luck to you.

@kobojunkie

What are your reasons for taking alcohol?

jmoore:
Stop confusing yourself.
Wine is wine. All wine are alcoholic.

There is nothing like nonalcoholic wine.

If you studied Chemistry in secondary school, you should have known what is fermentation.

Lol, you have gone to chemistry to explain the Bible.

The Bible says we have good wine and bad wine. So should we go with the Bible or chemistry?

*. John 2:10 "KJV:And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth GOOD WINE; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept [/color]THE GOOD WINE [color=#000099]until now."

Kobojunkie:
Wow...
Is this what Jesus Christ meant when He quoted Isaiah saying....seeing , they cannot see.... hearing, they cannot hear - only this was said in reference to those who do not believe? :-
Goodluck!

Lol, you are very funny.

Where is the place Jesus said you should drink alcohol? as simple as that!

Matthew 15: 1 "KJV:Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2
KJV:Why do THY DISCIPLES TRANSGRESS the tradition of the elders? FOR THEY WASH NOT THEIR HANDS WHEN THEY EAT bread.

Note:
THY DISCIPLES TRANSGRESS... FOR THEY WASH NOT THEIR HANDS WHEN THEY EAT"

That's all. kobojunkie, can you point out what you are saying.

The time it took you to typed "you call Jesus a lair"; "seeing , they cannot see.... hearing, they cannot hear " and what's not, could have suffice for pointing out where He said you should drink alcohol.

So, if one of your students have asked these questions, you'll feel satisfied with what you have posted so far as answers?...

Kobojunkie:
Wow...
Is this what Jesus Christ meant when He quoted Isaiah saying....seeing , they cannot see.... hearing, they cannot hear - only this was said in reference to those who do not believe?
Goodluck!

There's nothing in this your post that addresses what is being discussed.

Thread is about alcohol. You jumped in without the least idea of what is the topic of discussion.

I have asked several questions, no one of them is answered.

You said Jesus said you are free to drink alcohol. I asked you point the place out.
Till now instead of you to do that you resort to false accusations.

Kobojunkie:
I am already well aware of your style of debating... you try to take people in circles,ignoring the points, just so you can continue asserting the meaningless( where the Truth of God is concerned) statements you made that started it all.

If you are still not clear, then go back through what I have posted as response to you from page 1, and start reading again.

From your 1st post till now you have not quoted any verse that talks about alcohol yet you feel satisfied.

Luke 1:15 "KJV:For HE SHALL BE GREAT IN THE SIGHT OF THE LORD, AND SHALL DRINK NEITHER WINE NOR STRONG DRINK; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb."


*. Judges 13 :7 "KJV:But he said unto me, Behold, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and NOW DRINK NO WINE NOR STRONG DRINK, NEITHER EAT ANY UNCLEAN THING: for the child shall be a Nazarite to God from the womb to the day of his death."

Moreover, I have told you that Kings, priests, peculiar people, great in the sight of God, do not drink alcohol.

The question once again
are you one of these redeemed people?

Kobojunkie:


You know what? Now I see why Jesus Christ told us the parable of the 10 talents, explaining that we are to use what we have, in this case understanding, if we expect to receive more - those who do not use what they already will loose even the little which they had.

Rather than read and process using basic comprehension skills humans are gifted with where human language is concerned, you instead, to fit whatever doctrine of washing of hands you had been previously fed by men, claimed that Jesus Christ taught His disciples about the washing of hands. Since that didn't work here, you attempt a second strategy and that is use of "word similarities" tools ?
For Pete's sake read what is posted right there, in plain English mind you, to save your own soul!

Leaving the context of the chapters of the Bible in order to infuse your lust is the breeding ground for heresies.

Kobojunkie:
LOL
... Word Similarities... how does that change the meaning of what Jesus Christ, and spent time elaborating so you clearly understand and so cannot then feign ignorance of, unless of course denial happens to be a favorite pastime of yours.

Even with blinders on, Jesus Christ's teaching in Matthew 15 makes clear the place of food, and all you ingest, where sin is concerned.

You are not the first to claim that Jesus supports your indulgence.

I have met prostitutes, and they also claim that Jesus did not condemn them.

And they quoted John 8:1-11. And their focus is on "[/b]... neither do I condemn you..."[b]

Other words are not necessary to them.

You are probably a drunk looking for Jesus approval.

@kobojunkie

Alcohol affect the human thinking faculty,
True or false?

The thinking faculty being affected, the drinker of alcohol is at variance with the noble character of being thoughtful ( sober)

*. Titus 2:12 "KJV:Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, WE SHOULD LIVE SOBERLY, righteously, and godly, in this present world"

*. 1 Peter 4:7 "
KJV:But the end of all things is at hand: BE YE THEREFORE SOBER, and watch unto prayer."

*. 1 Peter 5:8 "KJV: BE SOBER, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:"

*. Titus 2:6 "KJV:Young men likewise exhort to BE SOBER minded."

Can you be a bit clear. I hope you have not taken some cups before commenting?

Kobojunkie:
Again....

Which word or group of words are you interpreting as alcohol in those verses?

Leaving the context of the chapters of the Bible in order to infuse your lust is the breeding ground for heresies.

Kobojunkie:
Again....

Another question avoided

Kobojunkie:
Was Jesus Christ message there given you in gibberish or something? Read the Chapter again to save your own soul abeg!

Two questions in the post you are responding to, yet no answer

Kobojunkie:
Foundation of the event negates Jesus Christ's message made plain even.

Recall Jesus Christ's warning to those who cause others to sin, and this through the teaching of doctrines and tradition of men, lies, instead of the Truth of God? Know that your teaching of these antichrist messages will not go unnoticed and unpunished and this according to Jesus Christ.

We are talking about alcohol and the place you quoted does not contain word or it similarities. So what are you saying?

Can you be clear let me understand you

@ kobojunkie
.... I'm still talking about the washing of hands because that is what is been corrected there. Alcohol is not mentioned in those verses you are the one trying to include it.

God gave them several laws. Washing is the law of hygiene, not the moral laws.

If you don't want to be hygienic, Jesus agreed that you have not committed sin.

Do you get the message?