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Kobojunkie:
I am already well aware of your style of debating... you try to take people in circles,ignoring the points, just so you can continue asserting the meaningless( where the Truth of God is concerned) statements you made that started it all.

If you are still not clear, then go back through what I have posted as response to you from page 1, and start reading again.

From your 1st post till now you have not quoted any verse that talks about alcohol yet you feel satisfied.

Luke 1:15 "KJV:For HE SHALL BE GREAT IN THE SIGHT OF THE LORD, AND SHALL DRINK NEITHER WINE NOR STRONG DRINK; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb."


*. Judges 13 :7 "KJV:But he said unto me, Behold, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and NOW DRINK NO WINE NOR STRONG DRINK, NEITHER EAT ANY UNCLEAN THING: for the child shall be a Nazarite to God from the womb to the day of his death."

Moreover, I have told you that Kings, priests, peculiar people, great in the sight of God, do not drink alcohol.

The question once again
are you one of these redeemed people?

Kobojunkie:


You know what? Now I see why Jesus Christ told us the parable of the 10 talents, explaining that we are to use what we have, in this case understanding, if we expect to receive more - those who do not use what they already will loose even the little which they had.

Rather than read and process using basic comprehension skills humans are gifted with where human language is concerned, you instead, to fit whatever doctrine of washing of hands you had been previously fed by men, claimed that Jesus Christ taught His disciples about the washing of hands. Since that didn't work here, you attempt a second strategy and that is use of "word similarities" tools ?
For Pete's sake read what is posted right there, in plain English mind you, to save your own soul!

Leaving the context of the chapters of the Bible in order to infuse your lust is the breeding ground for heresies.

Kobojunkie:
LOL
... Word Similarities... how does that change the meaning of what Jesus Christ, and spent time elaborating so you clearly understand and so cannot then feign ignorance of, unless of course denial happens to be a favorite pastime of yours.

Even with blinders on, Jesus Christ's teaching in Matthew 15 makes clear the place of food, and all you ingest, where sin is concerned.

You are not the first to claim that Jesus supports your indulgence.

I have met prostitutes, and they also claim that Jesus did not condemn them.

And they quoted John 8:1-11. And their focus is on "[/b]... neither do I condemn you..."[b]

Other words are not necessary to them.

You are probably a drunk looking for Jesus approval.

@kobojunkie

Alcohol affect the human thinking faculty,
True or false?

The thinking faculty being affected, the drinker of alcohol is at variance with the noble character of being thoughtful ( sober)

*. Titus 2:12 "KJV:Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, WE SHOULD LIVE SOBERLY, righteously, and godly, in this present world"

*. 1 Peter 4:7 "
KJV:But the end of all things is at hand: BE YE THEREFORE SOBER, and watch unto prayer."

*. 1 Peter 5:8 "KJV: BE SOBER, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:"

*. Titus 2:6 "KJV:Young men likewise exhort to BE SOBER minded."

Can you be a bit clear. I hope you have not taken some cups before commenting?

Kobojunkie:
Again....

Which word or group of words are you interpreting as alcohol in those verses?

Leaving the context of the chapters of the Bible in order to infuse your lust is the breeding ground for heresies.

Kobojunkie:
Again....

Another question avoided

Kobojunkie:
Was Jesus Christ message there given you in gibberish or something? Read the Chapter again to save your own soul abeg!

Two questions in the post you are responding to, yet no answer

Kobojunkie:
Foundation of the event negates Jesus Christ's message made plain even.

Recall Jesus Christ's warning to those who cause others to sin, and this through the teaching of doctrines and tradition of men, lies, instead of the Truth of God? Know that your teaching of these antichrist messages will not go unnoticed and unpunished and this according to Jesus Christ.

We are talking about alcohol and the place you quoted does not contain word or it similarities. So what are you saying?

Can you be clear let me understand you

@ kobojunkie
.... I'm still talking about the washing of hands because that is what is been corrected there. Alcohol is not mentioned in those verses you are the one trying to include it.

God gave them several laws. Washing is the law of hygiene, not the moral laws.

If you don't want to be hygienic, Jesus agreed that you have not committed sin.

Do you get the message?

Kobojunkie:
Your confession here again is simply.. you believe Jesus Christ to be a liar by your declaration.

If you refuse to learn from the mouth of the one you claim to be your master, who then do you think your true master is? Are you sure the relationship you claim to have is with Him and not your egos still?

.....The event started when Jesus disciples ate food with unwashed hands. Then the Pharisees condemned the action and probably explained it as sinful act....

Jesus disagreed with them and said eating food with unwashed hands is not a sin.

I have posted severally telling you that even though Jesus said eating food with unwashed hands is not a sin, He did not thereby set a principle for His followers - ( a principle) if you are a Jesus follower you can eat food without washing hands after all it is not a sin.

New question:
don't you wash your hands?

Previous question are you one of the people He made Kings to His Father?.....

Kobojunkie:
Your confession here again is simply.. you believe Jesus Christ to be a liar by your declaration.

If you refuse to learn from the mouth of the one you claim to be your master, who then do you think your true master is? Are you sure the relationship you claim to have is with Him and not your egos still?

In all your posts here that I have been reading, I can not get any meaningful explanation of what you are quoting and this is because you are trying hard to cut off the foundation of the event.

The event started when Jesus disciples ate food with unwashed hands. Then the Pharisees condemned the action and probably explained it as sinful act....

jmoore:
Jesus that came from heaven converted water into wine.

He also drank it.

Which other 'heaven minded' are you talking about?

18 “For John came neither eating nor
drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon!’ 19
“The Son of Man came eating and drinking,
and they say, ‘Behold, a gluttonous man and
a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and
sinners!’ Yet wisdom is vindicated by her
deeds.” [Mat 11:18-19 NASB]


Even Paul told Timothy to take some alcohol.

1 Timothy 5:23, NIV: "Stop drinking only water,
and use a little wine because of your stomach
and your frequent illnesses."


That doctor of yours is probably halfbaked.

*. John 2:10 "KJV:And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth GOOD WINE; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept THE GOOD WINE until now."

GOOD WINE is what Jesus gave the people, good wine is what Himself drank,

GOOD WINE is what we are going to drink at the marriage supper of the Lamb.

*. Mark 14:25 "KJV:Verily I say unto you, I WILL DRINK NO MORE OF THE FRUIT OF THE VINE, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God."

note! Jesus called what He used to drink THE FRUIT OF THE VINE. In other words this is fruit juice, good wine, NON INTOXICANTS.

Do you know that even those who small igbo ( weeds) do say that Jesus smoked igbo. Or you've never heard them before?....

jesusjnr2020:
Please tell them oh.

Some would now ignorantly come and claim that Jesus used to drink alcohol, "but wisdom is justified of her children".

God bless.

They are looking for excuses or reasons to continue

Kobojunkie:
1. What has the washing of hands to in fact do with the lesson that Jesus Christ taught His disciples and even went even further to explain in plain terms to them in that context?

2. If you refuse to learn from the mouth of the one you claim to be your master, who then do you think your true master is? Are you sure the relationship you claim to have is with Him and not your egos still?

You can see that there's nothing in that verses that suggest He said we should not wash our hands,
or take alcohol. thanks
The summary of what He is saying is that UNWASHED HANDS IS NOT A SIN.

He explained in details by showing that adultery, theft, murder, and so on, are not as a result of unwashed hand.

These sins are not stimulated by eating food with unwashed hands.
These sins are conceived in the mind ...

Unwashed hands, unlike alcohol, does not affect the mind. Alcohol stimulate these things that are conceived the mind.

I know He has made me a king, Kings don't take alcohol, Proverbs 31:4.

The question is ARE YOU ONE OF THE KINGS?

@kobojunkie
....THEIR WINE IS THE POISON OF DRAGONS, and the cruel venom of asps

Our own wine is the PREVIOUS BLOOD OF Jesus....

they have their wisdom, understanding, kingdom, etc.

While we have ours. Don't crave for their own, only know what is yours. Never give the devil chance - Ephesians 4:27

@ kobojunkie
Verse that describes alcohol as poison:
*. Deuteronomy 32:33 "
KJV: THEIR WINE IS THE POISON OF DRAGONS, and the cruel venom of asps."

Now, consider the use of the word THEIR... who are they?
Those that belong to the other side.

WINE is divided into two, i.e two types of wine. This two types of... is used for almost all things. Examples:

A. Courage: good courage - Joshua 1:6 and bad courage - numbers 16:1-30;

B. Wisdom: Heavenly/ godly wisdom - James 3:17 and earthly wisdom - James 3:15;

C. WINE: good/ tonic wine - john 2:10, mark 14:25 and strong drink or alcoholic wine Proverbs 31: 4.

*. John 2:10 "KJV:And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth GOOD WINE; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept THE GOOD WINE until now."

GOOD WINE is what Jesus gave the people, good wine is what Himself drank,

GOOD WINE is what we are going to drink at the marriage supper of the Lamb.

*. Mark 14:25 "KJV:Verily I say unto you, I WILL DRINK NO MORE OF THE FRUIT OF THE VINE, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God."

note! Jesus called what He used to drink THE FRUIT OF THE VINE. In other words this is fruit juice, good wine, NON INTOXICANTS.

Do you know that even those who small igbo ( weeds) do say that Jesus smoked igbo. Or you've never heard them before?....

@ kobojunkie

One of the things He helps me to know about alcohol is that it is described as POISON.

And alcohol being a POISON should not be managed. That is, don't say let me take a little of it.

No matter how little a poison is, it is still a poison. That is to say, it's not how big or small it is that determines whether it's harmful or not.

The above point is my 2nd reason why I created this topic. He had let me know this far back, so when I read similar thing from the net, I'm happy.

The link again
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www..com/talk/topic,498286.0.html&ved=2ahUKEwjU8MbvgeTwAhWtwAIHHTt0BWsQFjAAegQIBRAC&usg=AOvVaw2zdOYo7oNhziZFUPT8IFeV

Kobojunkie:
So, even though Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Law of God Hinself declared that there is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol, you feel that going around the Truth of God Himself, you can come up with a better prescription than Jesus Christ for all Christian's right?

The way many of you so called Christians reason never ceases go astound me.

Jesus did not teach that HIS FOLLOWERS SHOULD NEVER WASH THEIR HANDS (some of you are trying to make it looks like that)

He did not teach that HIS FOLLOWERS SHOULD TAKE ALCOHOL, NO!

The summary of that teaching is UNWASHED HAND IS NOT A SIN.

Alcohol can/ have been causing health complications. It is not wise for any followers of Jesus to go into eating or drinking things that can cause him some health issues.

I have a question which no drinker of alcohol has ever answered me.

The question is - what is your reason for drinking alcohol?

True christians are:
1. Peculiar people
2. Priests
3. Princes....

Whoever understands and values these exulted positions shall willingly and happily bid alcohol goodbye.

And the grace of God is sufficient...

*. 1 Peter 2:9 "KJV:But ye are a chosen generation, a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, an HOLY NATION, a PECULIAR PEOPLE; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light"

Dtruthspeaker:
Praises Be to God! The remainder of our Journey is to Hold Tightly on to Rock of our Salvation that we may be found blameless in His Sight, even through this wicked and great evil days which was not seen before, that we be with Him to be Separated No More!

Amen!!
His grace is sufficient for us.

Kobojunkie:
please stop believing the doctrines and traditions of men over the Truth of God.

Jesus Christ made it more than clear to us all that it is not what you eat or ingest that makes you sinful or unclean or defiles you but what comes out of what is stored up in your heart.

Believing that something is to blame for your sin is a well known form of delusion. Believe instead the Truth of God and be made free from slavery to sin and all associated delusions.

It is not good for christians to drink wine and I'm convinced about it.

*. Proverbs 31:4 "KJV: IT IS NOT FOR KINGS, O Lemuel, IT IS NOT FOR KINGS TO DRINK WINE; nor for princes strong drink:"

*. Revelation 5: 10 "KJV: AND HAST MADE US unto our God KINGS and priests: and we shall reign on the earth"

*. Revelation 1:6 "KJV: AND HATH MADE US KINGS AND PRIESTS UNTO GOD and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."

note:
IT IS NOT FOR KINGS TO DRINK WINE;
AND ( Jesus) HATH MADE US KINGS AND PRIESTS UNTO GOD

Kings and priests are not allowed to take alcohol:

*. Leviticus 10:8 "KJV:And the Lord spake unto Aaron, saying,
9
KJV: DO NOT DRINK WINE NOR STRONG DRINK, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:"

I'm going to use this opportunity to post many things the Lord has helped me to know about alcohol intake:
those to take, those not to take and the reasons.

jmoore:
Jesus that came from heaven converted water into wine.

He also drank it.

Which other 'heaven minded' are you talking about?

18 “For John came neither eating nor
drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon!’ 19
“The Son of Man came eating and drinking,
and they say, ‘Behold, a gluttonous man and
a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and
sinners!’ Yet wisdom is vindicated by her
deeds.” [Mat 11:18-19 NASB]


Even Paul told Timothy to take some alcohol.

1 Timothy 5:23, NIV: "Stop drinking only water,
and use a little wine because of your stomach
and your frequent illnesses."

That doctor of yours is probably halfbaked.

"[/b]...Stop drinking only water,
and use a little wine because of your stomach
and your frequent illnesses."[b]

How many people are in the bear parlor as a result of their doctors prescription?

jmoore:
Jesus that came from heaven converted water into wine.

He also drank it.

Which other 'heaven minded' are you talking about?

18 “For John came neither eating nor
drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon!’ 19
“The Son of Man came eating and drinking,
and they say, ‘Behold, a gluttonous man and
a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and
sinners!’ Yet wisdom is vindicated by her
deeds.” [Mat 11:18-19 NASB]


Even Paul told Timothy to take some alcohol.

1 Timothy 5:23, NIV: "Stop drinking only water,
and use a little wine because of your stomach
and your frequent illnesses."
That doctor of yours is probably halfbaked.

In my post I said no doctor had ever told me that the cause of my illness is refusal to take alcohol.

Has any doctor told you otherwise?
I will like to KNOWMORE...

madegreatbygrace:
There are more praiseworthy testimonies. The most excellent is ...... I have led xyz amount of souls to Christ. That is the only testimony that brings rejoicing in heaven.

"[/b]... That is the only testimony that brings rejoicing in heaven"[b]

My deliverance also brings rejoicing in Heaven and earth...

MaxInDHouse:
This is really commendable!
For Jesus said:
"If, now, your right eye is making you stumble, tear it out and throw it away from you. For it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to be pitched into Ge·henʹna" {Matthew 5:29} though he emphasized that the intake of food or drinks doesn't defile you {Matthew 15:17} yet whatever debars your spiritual growth you should avoid it completely! Matthew 19:12

The highlighted has nothing to do with the heavens because Jesus is the leader of all those going to heaven, and he drank alcoholic beverages (but responsibly) Luke 7:31-35 compare to Deuteronomy 14:26
However you've done well for avoiding what is disturbing your spiritual growth!

[/b]"This is really commendable"[b]

Thanks. All glory to God

Dtruthspeaker:
Sorry, it occurred to me later what prompted your post. Congratulations.

Did you also solve the woman issue? Kai-kai always goes with women and other things which are not good!

Thanks so much...

Yes, completely delivered to the glory of God.

Dtruthspeaker:
So how is this praiseworthy? Is it not for thyself?

What the grace of God can do. To encourage you that you can do without alcohol.

I used to like and drink Kai Kai ( hot drink)... I celebrate His mercy and grace...

Kobojunkie:
Rubbish!

So when Jesus Christ declared that it is not what you eat/drink that makes you unclean, Jesus Christ lied abi?

Well, you surely know what transpired in the story that led to that statement.

The Pharisees condemned His disciples for EATING WITHOUT WASHING HANDS.

Jesus then stated that EATING WITHOUT WASHING HANDS is not a sin.

His statements is not in any approve intake of alcohol.

Neither does His statements certify eating with unwashed hands.

Christians must necessary avoid whatever will affect their health.

I wish you Heaven at the end of your journey!

Since I accepted the Lord as my Saviour, 21 years ago, I have stayed away from any form of alcohol.

And one of the joyous things is that I have never fell sick at any time and the doctor said it is as a result of refusal to take alcohol.

So, some days back, when I read the findings of a certain study about alcohol intake and the results...

I said "no matter what some Christians may say in favour of alcohol intake, I'm convinced that alcohol is not for the heaven minded". Proverbs 31:4;

You can check out the link

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www..com/talk/topic,498286.0.html&ved=2ahUKEwj4jIWKwd_wAhVUSsAKHXbKDVMQFjAAegQIBRAC&usg=AOvVaw2zdOYo7oNhziZFUPT8IFeV

Emusan:
The @highlight is what we called hypocrisy which they are known for.

High level hypocrisy...

As the fight for gender equality continues, what often come to my mind is that one day they will demand that:
1. The woman should also pay groomprice to his parents

2. The man also should have a womb.

But when humanity go against God setting, it always ends in pains and frustration.