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They just want to intimidate everyone

DappaD:
Please endeavour to quote me when you have solid points. I dislike going round and round in circles especially when the other party constantly spews unsound logic.

You have already discovered that calling wedding day happy day but birthday sad day spews unsound logic.

Just humbly apologize!

DappaD:
Let me even make things easier for you. We all know there are certain things that come natural to all humans based on conscience and a working brain(Romans 2:14-15) and there are what we’ll term “values” or tradition that varies from culture to culture.
When one is in a happy mood such as attending a wedding, it is only natural that the person begins to move his body in a rhythm(dancing) because that is the time apportioned for it(Ecclesiastes 3:4b) whereas when one is in a sad mood, perhaps a loved one dies, he feels hurt and then mourns the loss of that person since there is also a time apportioned for it. Numbers 20:29, Ecclesiastes 3:4a

Like I said earlier, these kind of things come naturally to all humans but please what is natural about celebrating the day that one was born? I mean, if the white men who invaded Africa didn’t bring their tradition of celebrating birthdays, would anybody have cared to know the day they were born talk more go ahead to celebrate it? So what is natural about it? Job 3:1

Learn how to directly use the Scriptures to support your argument because using adjacent and unrelated points to make an argument means nothing.

[/b]"So what is natural about it? "[b]

The thing that makes people cry when loved ones die is exactly what makes them dance and celebrate when loved ones are born. It is a great thing of joy for a year ty be added to ones years. Showing appreciation for one more year added.

You are deceived if you can't show appreciation for one more year added.


Did God command any body to cry/ weep for his dead, and forbade people who dance and rejoice because one more year is added to their years?

DappaD:
Let me even make things easier for you. We all know there are certain things that come natural to all humans based on conscience and a working brain(Romans 2:14-15) and there are what we’ll term “values” or tradition that varies from culture to culture.
When one is in a happy mood such as attending a wedding, it is only natural that the person begins to move his body in a rhythm(dancing) because that is the time apportioned for it(Ecclesiastes 3:4b) whereas when one is in a sad mood, perhaps a loved one dies, he feels hurt and then mourns the loss of that person since there is also a time apportioned for it. Numbers 20:29, Ecclesiastes 3:4a

Like I said earlier, these kind of things come naturally to all humans but please what is natural about celebrating the day that one was born? I mean, if the white men who invaded Africa didn’t bring their tradition of remembering birthdays, would anybody have cared to know the day they were born talk more go ahead to celebrate it? So what is natural about it? Job 3:1

Learn how to directly use the Scriptures to support your argument because using adjacent and unrelated points to make an argument means nothing.

[/b]"When one is in a happy mood such as attending a wedding, it is only natural that the person begins to move his body in a rhythm(dancing) because that is the time apportioned for it(Ecclesiastes 3:4b) "[b]

Wedding should be happy mood but birthday should be sad mood.

The word opposite of mourn is laugh, rejoice, dance.
Ecclesiastes 3:1-6 talks of birth and death; rejoice and mourn. No wedding is mentioned.

Yet your organization said you should not rejoice and dance on birthday but you should do it on wedding day.

You are welcome from Watch tower!

Although there is no place where it's said that wedding day is the time apportioned for dancing.

Emusan:
So was it pagan who created and established the DAY which people are celebrating?

It was Pharoh of Egypt that created the day. Lol

MaxInDHouse:
Is there any human society where people don't sing, play musical instruments and dance?

NO! So it's no man's culture because all people does that.

Is there any human society where people don't celebrate birthdays?

YES! The lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob do sing, play musical instruments and dance but never has anyone from that race celebrated birthday!

You can not successfully show me where people dance in a wedding. Or the command to do it.

Wearing of wrings is not a commandments or principle in the Bible.

We have practices and principles. Practices do not carry punishment. Example, wearing of ear wrings or any wring at all. In other words, if you like do or don't.

Principles carry punishment, example circumcision of all male.

*. Exodus 4:24 "KJV:And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that THE LORD met him, and SOUGHT TO KILL HIM.
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KJV:Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.
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KJV:So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, BECAUSE OF THE CIRCUMCISION."

note: "THE LORD SOUGHT TO KILL HIM (Moses) BECAUSE OF THE CIRCUMCISION"

MaxInDHouse:
Is there any human society where people don't sing, play musical instruments and dance?

NO! So it's no man's culture because all people does that.

Is there any human society where people don't celebrate birthdays?

YES! The lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob do sing, play musical instruments and dance but never has anyone from that race celebrated birthday!

Max, janosky said Jesus said Watch tower should 'teach them all things that He has commanded'. We are searching for the command to dance in the Word.

But you are pointing at the society; is the society the Jesus? Because I want to KNOWMORE o!

Humbly accept that the organization also has pagans practices in their midst.

DappaD:
So because there are similarities in the activities of the Israelites and the nations, it now gives one the excuse to carry on in their practices?

No nah, the Levites should stand under sun and offer worship to Jehovah because they should not build a house for their own God?

Lol. That’s the weakest stance you can ever take because pure worship was only carried out in Israel and the Law set them aside from the rest of the nations surrounding them. Deuteronomy 4:5-8

Besides, Jehovah is the one who ordered the erection of the tabernacle(Exodus chapter 37) and later the temple(2Samuel 7:13) even giving specifications about how the temple should be built(1Chronicles 28:9-21) so you already lost it completely using this as a point unless you can show where God incorporated birthdays into Israelite’s culture(Leviticus 18:3) or even gave his blessing/approval of any birthday celebration like he did with the temple? 2Chronicles 7:1

Lol can you correct the lies below:
"[/b]Besides, Jehovah is the one who ordered the erection of the tabernacle(Exodus chapter 37) and later the temple(2Samuel 7:13) even giving specifications about how the temple should be built(1Chronicles 28:9-21" [b]

God and David, who brought the idea of building a Temple?

At what time is Tabernacle = temple?

Canopy and the temple have no comparison.

DappaD:
So because there are similarities in the activities of the Israelites and the nations, it now gives one the excuse to carry on in their practices?

No nah, the Levites should stand under sun and offer worship to Jehovah because they should not build a house for their own God?

Lol. That’s the weakest stance you can ever take because pure worship was only carried out in Israel and the Law set them aside from the rest of the nations surrounding them. Deuteronomy 4:5-8

Besides, Jehovah is the one who ordered the erection of the tabernacle(Exodus chapter 37) and later the temple(2Samuel 7:13) even giving specifications about how the temple should be built(1Chronicles 28:9-21) so you already lost it completely using this as a point unless you can show where God incorporated birthdays into Israelite’s culture(Leviticus 18:3) or even gave his blessing/approval of any birthday celebration like he did with the temple? 2Chronicles 7:1

[/b]"No nah, the Levites should stand under sun and offer worship to Jehovah because they should not build a house for their own God?"[b]

God told them to erect what we call canopy today,

But King David, having associated with the Philistines and see what they built for their gods, thought of doing similar thing to appreciate his GOD.

This is what watch tower is calling [/color]associated/ originated with false worship[color=#990000]

And I'm telling you that dancing is associated with false worship;

building halls is associated with false worship;

wearing rings is associated with false worship;

there's no single practice in the organization that is not associated with false worship.

DappaD:
So because there are similarities in the activities of the Israelites and the nations, it now gives one the excuse to carry on in their practices?

No nah, the Levites should stand under sun and offer worship to Jehovah because they should not build a house for their own God?

Lol. That’s the weakest stance you can ever take because pure worship was only carried out in Israel and the Law set them aside from the rest of the nations surrounding them. Deuteronomy 4:5-8

Besides, Jehovah is the one who ordered the erection of the tabernacle(Exodus chapter 37) and later the temple(2Samuel 7:13) even giving specifications about how the temple should be built(1Chronicles 28:9-21) so you already lost it completely using this as a point unless you can show where God incorporated birthdays into Israelite’s culture(Leviticus 18:3) or even gave his blessing/approval of any birthday celebration like he did with the temple? 2Chronicles 7:1

Lol. Read these your comment and compare with your guy's, then remove the Watch tower glass from your face:

[/b]"So because there are similarities in the activities of the Israelites and the nations, it now gives one the excuse to carry on in their practices? "

"...pagan use of flowers or garlands did not mean that true worshipers always had to avoid using them"[b]

No record of dancing during weddings in the Word. It is pagans practices, yet your organization are into it.

They can even play and dance to Hiphop music, where is it copy from?

DappaD:
There are a lot of other things wrong with your post but I’ll address just the highlighted.

Doesn’t the Bible say that whether we’re eating or drinking, we should do it to God’s glory? 1Corinthians 10:31, Ecclesiastes 2:24
How does engaging in a practice that has so far been proven to originate with false worship give glory to God?

Perhaps you should take a cue from the Israelites who engaged in calf worship(idolatry) and still termed it “a festival to Jehovah”(Exodus 32:5) and even “sat down to eat and drink” (Exodus 32:6) but was God pleased? Did this celebration glorify his name seeing that the practice originated with false worship?
Exodus 32:10

I thought your moniker spoke much about the kind of person you are, that is, being inquisitive and all that. I’m beginning to see that’s not really the case. Because if you indeed wanted to KNOWMORE, you’ll figure out that the Witnesses have been right all along because you cannot mix celebrations associated with false worship(birthday, Christmas, Easter) and true worship since it has never been acceptable from God’s standpoint at any point in history. 2Kings 17:32-34, 2Corinthians 6:14-17

I have actually sought for a JW who will volunteer to help me KNOWMORE...if you have come up to help, that's ok...

Below is the submission of one of your fellow:

[/b]"...pagan use of flowers or garlands did not mean that true worshipers always had to avoid using them"[b]

Do you agree with him?

@ DappaD
...
Do you know that pagans were the 1st to build houses/halls for their gods before David thought of doing the same?

So can you see that your Jehovah's halls are pagans practices?

*. 1 Samuel 5:2 "KJV:When the Philistines took the ark of God, they brought it into THE HOUSE OF DAGON, and set it by Dagon"

*. 1 Chronicles 10:10 "KJV:And they put his armour in the house of their gods, and fastened his head in THE TEMPLE OF DAGON."

this was before the temple in Jerusalem was built.

So now, what do you say is your reason for not celebrating birthdays and Christmas?

Will you avoid building halls for the same reason?

Watch tower is more or less fault finders, accuser of the brethren:

*. 2 Timothy 3:3 "KJV:Without natural affection, trucebreakers, FALSE ACCUSERS, incontinent, fierce, DESPISERS OF THOSE THAT ARE GOOD,"

*. Revelation 12:10 "KJV:And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for THE ACCUSER OF OUR BRETHREN IS CAST DOWN, which accused them before our God day and night."

Watch tower is cast down, in Jesus name.

DappaD:
There are a lot of other things wrong with your post but I’ll address just the highlighted.

Doesn’t the Bible say that whether we’re eating or drinking, we should do it to God’s glory? 1Corinthians 10:31, Ecclesiastes 2:24
How does engaging in a practice that has so far been proven to originate with false worship give glory to God?

Perhaps you should take a cue from the Israelites who engaged in calf worship(idolatry) and still termed it “a festival to Jehovah”(Exodus 32:5) and even “sat down to eat and drink” (Exodus 32:6) but was God pleased? Did this celebration glorify his name seeing that the practice originated with false worship?
Exodus 32:10

I thought your moniker spoke much about the kind of person you are, that is, being inquisitive and all that. I’m beginning to see that’s not really the case. Because if you indeed wanted to KNOWMORE, you’ll figure out that the Witnesses have been right all along because you cannot mix celebrations associated with false worship(birthday, Christmas, Easter) and true worship since it has never been acceptable from God’s standpoint at any point in history. 2Kings 17:32-34, 2Corinthians 6:14-17

You have not said anything important. But let's consider this thing:

1. Your founders celebrated Christmas and birthday. They were Jehovah's servants in those days and they were the only true worshipers. Or, were they not?

2. Birthday and Christmas celebration was stopped because it is associated/originated with false worship - according to your organization;

Now can you show me and help me KNOWMORE where it's written in the Word that there should be dancing in wedding ceremony.

Your organization dance to Hiphop music during weddings. A practice "originated/associated with false"

Why then are you accusing others of the same thing you are doing?

You can help janosky answer the below...

Janosky:
What was the Almighty Father doing in Luke 15:22 and Exodus 35:22 ?
God approves of wedding rings and wedding.

Matthew 28:20, Jesus gave no approval of birthdays celebrations,

Jehovah's created floral beauty has been used in true worship. The lampstand in the tabernacle was decorated with “flowers of almond . . . and blossoms.” (Exodus 25:31-34) Engravings in the temple included garlands and palm trees. (1 Kings 6:18, 29, 32) Clearly, pagan use of flowers or garlands did not mean that true worshipers always had to avoid using them.​.

[/b]"...pagan use of flowers or garlands did not mean that true worshipers always had to avoid using them"[b]


Using the same yardstick, pagans birthday celebration or any other things for that matter does not mean that true worshipers always have to avoid using them.

Do you know that pagans were the 1st to build houses/halls for their gods before David thought of doing the same?

So can you see that your Jehovah's halls are pagans practices?

*. 1 Samuel 5:2 "KJV:When the Philistines took the ark of God, they brought it into THE HOUSE OF DAGON, and set it by Dagon"

*. 1 Chronicles 10:10 "KJV:And they put his armour in the house of their gods, and fastened his head in THE TEMPLE OF DAGON."

this was before the temple in Jerusalem was built.

So now, what do you say is your reason for not celebrating birthdays and Christmas?

Will you avoid building halls for the same reason?

Watch tower is more or less fault finders, accuser of the brethren:

*. 2 Timothy 3:3 "KJV:Without natural affection, trucebreakers, FALSE ACCUSERS, incontinent, fierce, DESPISERS OF THOSE THAT ARE GOOD,"

*. Revelation 12:10 "KJV:And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for THE ACCUSER OF OUR BRETHREN IS CAST DOWN, which accused them before our God day and night."

Watch tower is cast down, in Jesus name.

Janosky:
Matthew 28:20, Bros, does Jesus agree with your claim?
Matthew 28:20, you are telling this forum that obeying Jesus Christ is ERROR.
Issorait !

Below is Matthew 28:20

"KJV:Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen"

Which of the sentences here agrees with your claim?

achorladey:
Na that same holy spirit your founding fathers like Russell, Rutherford e.t.c do those celebrations up there despite. The holy spirit didn't remind them of Leviticus 18:3.

That same holy spirit equally made it clear that your members can copy and do things BABYLON THE GREAT does and inherit heaven too.

Before I forget, Matthew 28:20 was sent down by the holy Spirit in year 2000 C.E.

The spirit wanted them to enjoy small
Lol,

Janosky:
Bros, is mourning exclusively for pagans?

John 13:35, Jesus mourned his friend, Lazarus.

[/b]Did he celebrate Christmas and annual birthdays?[b]

Did Jesus taught that couples should wear wedding wrings or flowers for wedding or burial?
The things watch tower point fingers at others, they have their own version of it.

This is one of the reasons it seems as if people are against them, when the same thing is pointed to them.

Flowers for burial ground, mourning, coffin, wedding wrings, kisses, etc, are all pagans practices; or show us where Jehovah gave you go ahead.

Janosky:
Bros, is mourning exclusively for pagans?

John 13:35, Jesus mourned his friend, Lazarus.

Did he celebrate Christmas and annual birthdays?

"[/b]..., is mourning exclusively for pagans"[b]


Let's substitute the other words for mourning and see your answer:

is birthday celebration exclusively for pagans?

is Christmas celebration exclusively for pagans?

What are your answers?

I have never celebrated my birthday but I don't condemn those who are doing it (i.e. if no sin is involved).
We are adviced to invite our friends and invite a preacher who will preach to them during the celebration. That way, some souls can be won into the kingdom and Jesus will be glorified. No buying/drinking of alcohol, no worldliness of any type. If you know you can't keep to these, better no do am.

blueAgent:
You dodged answering my question.
Are christains supposed to mourn since pagans do it?

I like this your question. There's no single practice in the church or any Christian assembly that pagans do not have its photocopy/version.

The person who is serving Satan does what is doing to glorify Satan while the person serving God does his own to glorify God.

As for me who 1st start am no be anything, but who you have in mind for doing it.

The gentiles come follow dey do animal sacrifice, Paul said their own (i.e the gentiles') is for Satan.

*. Genesis 31:54 "KJV:Then JACOB OFFERED SACRIFICE UPON THE MOUNT, and called his brethren to eat bread: and they did eat bread, and tarried all night in the mount."

*. Acts 14:13 "KJV:Then THE PRIEST OF JUPITER, which was before their city, BROUGHT OXEN and garlands unto the gates, AND WOULD HAVE DONE SACRIFICE with the people."

*. 1 Corinthians 10:20 "KJV:But I say, that THE THINGS WHICH THE GENTILES SACRIFICE, THEY SACRIFICE TO DEVILS, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils."

Trying to claim that you are superior christians to others because of birthday party and Christmas day celebration is ERROR.

How I wish this man will become the country president...

achorladey:
Achorladey were you excommunicated from Jehovah's organization & did not sin?

The question was DUBIOUS and CONTRADICTORY. You remember?

Just dey quote 2 Thessalonians 3:6 as if na verse 6 that verse take end .

You keep shouting we are Jehovah's servant, we are Jehovah's servant. You cannot even sit quietly and study how your Jehovah dealt with nations of Israel over the years despite sinning repeatedly as a case study.

Oh my and another person got the question right without explanation. You should do better Mr educated literate

[/b]
"The question was DUBIOUS and CONTRADICTORY."[b]

Make una no kill person with laughter I beg

MaxInDHouse:
We're not denying the fact that we SHUN some people but try to know the reasons why we do SHUN.
No matter your lifestyle we will treat you as our neighbour and extend that neighbourly love towards you, after all you're our neighbour.
When you make a vow before God and man and later decided to decline from fulfilling your vow we'll try to help you maintain it but when you insist on turning away from fulfilling your vow then WILL SHUN YOU!
If you have the manner to blackmail people even when they're trying to correct your views about them then you don't deserve to be accorded any relevance!

The below is very important, attend to it:
[/b]
"Tell me where it was said in Numbers 30:2 you should shun those who break their VOWS..."[b]

Janosky:
Achorladey were you excommunicated from Jehovah's organization & did not sin?

2 Thessalonians 3:6 and Hebrews 12:5-7 is missing in your Bible?

2 Thess 3:6
"Now we command you, believers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and by His authority, that you withdraw and keep away from every brother or sister who leads an undisciplined life and does not live in accordance with the tradition and teaching that you have received from us."
2 Thess 3:6 , Bros, your Bible says Jesus commanded shunning, Achorladey , Emusan & KNOWMORE56 says Jesus is in a cult, shunning is hatred"
These individuals go tell you say them know Jesus

Hebrew 12:5-7
"5And you have entirely forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons: “My son, do not belittle the discipline from Jehovah,* nor give up when you are corrected by him; 6 for those whom Jehovah* loves he disciplines, in fact, he scourges* everyone whom he receives as a son.”+
7 You need to endure as part of your discipline.* God is treating you as sons.+ For what son is not disciplined by his father?"
Bros, continue LYING & DECEIVING yourself.

"[/b]... an undisciplined life..."[b]

Let's look at the examples of AN UNDISCIPLINED LIFE from the Word:

*. 1 Corinthians 5: 11 "KJV:But now I have written unto you not to keep company, IF ANY MAN THAT IS CALLED A BROTHER BE A FORNICATOR, or COVETOUS, or AN IDOLATOR, or A RAILER, or A DRUNKARD, or AN EXTORTIONER; with such an one no not to eat."

*. Ephesians 5: 3 "KJV:But FORNICATION, and ALL UNCLEANNESS, or COVETOUSNESS, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
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KJV:Neither FILTHINESS, nor FOOLISH TALKING, nor JESTING, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
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KJV:For this ye know, that no WHOREMONGER, nor UNCLEAN PERSON, nor COVETOUS MAN, who is AN IDOLATER, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
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KJV: LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
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KJV: BE NOT YE THEREFORE PARTAKERS WITH THEM.

these and many more are the unanimous submission subjections of the Holy Word.

But Watch tower said if your child is sexually molested and you come to the "elders" and the "elders" said "Jehovah" will punish the wrong doers if he doesn't change after armageddon, and the person refused to wait for armageddon, let him or her be shunned...

Meanwhile, those who took blood transfusion, those who participated in election, those who play football game or watch, etc are not given the same time of "Armageddon" before they are punished and shunned.

Which verse of the Bible says adulterers and drunken men should wait till Armageddon comes but those who leave the watch tower should receive immediate punishment (i.e shunning) janoy?

MaxInDHouse:
So the only problem you're having with JWs is because we separated ourselves from the rest of you shey? Revelations 18:4
Why not try to be consistent with that instead of arguing blindly on scriptures that you can't even substantiate with efficacy?

For your information, the Apostles were jealous of the disciple who is not following them PHYSICALLY but SPIRITUALLY speaking is with them, because that disciple will PREACH and TEACH exactly what Jesus taught which the Apostles also PREACHED and go about TEACHING. That's what Jesus meant by saying the man is with them not against them!

Our preaching and teaching totally contradicts yours, we teach that God's kingdom is coming here {Matthew 6:10} you people are saying God will destroy the earth. Psalms 24:1-2, 104:5; Ecclesiastes 1:4
We teach that immortality is a gift only for the good {Romans 6:23} but you people are saying evildoers will also exist forever (under excruciating pains) for sins they committed within less than 100 years. Jeremiah 7:31, 19:5
We teach that Christians must not carry weapons for any reason whatsoever {Matthew 26:52} but you people believe in settling issues with killing of your enemies! Matthew 5:43-48
We teach that Christians must visit their neighbours to know about their wellbeing and if possible share the message of hope {Matthew 10:11-13} while you people only stand in the corner of the streets and buses disturbing pedestrians with you noise and cursing them that they will be tormented in HellFire for not believing what you believe! Matthew 12:19
We teach that marriage should be between two persons having the same line of thought (belief) {1Corinthians 7:39} you people can marry anything thinking you will change them! Proverbs 3:5-6
We teach that Christians ought to relate as brothers and sisters globally {John 13:34-35} but you people only relate with people you can see even when a person attends the same Church once you're far away there is nothing like love again you can kill your so called brethren in the face of politics and racism! Revelations 6:3-4
We teach that people ought to remain obedient to the authorities {Romans 13:1-2} you people organise protests against the government!
So in what way are you people with us?

You don come again o,
You quote the word correctly (i.e the Bible in your head) but interpretation and application is very very wrong...

Example: shunning is in the Bible, it shows what and who to shun...
You then pick up the word SHUN and choose what and who to shun:

The Word says we should shun fornicators, adulterers, drunken men/women but

you say no any person who is demanding for justice for his daughter who was rape should be shunned and those who leave the organization...

Check the Word below:

*. 1 Corinthians 5: 11"
KJV:But now I have written unto you NOT TO KEEP COMPANY, IF ANY MAN THAT IS CALLED A BROTHER BE A FORNICATOR, or COVETOUS, or an IDOLATOR, or a RAILER, or a DRUNKARD, or an EXTORTIONER; with such an one no not to eat."

now you can see what I mean.

andyblinks05:
Easter meat is ready but for my dogs oooo,
I woke up and saw it so I decided to roast it for them to enjoy easter too

Many people call this animal RABBIT, and I have been looking for the right name of it.

Enjoy your Easter anyway!

MaxInDHouse:
Majority following Jesus in the first century don't realise what they're into until something in their heads clicks! John 6:61-66
Perhaps any layman could hear Jesus' statement and will not attribute what he was saying to Cultism!
No wonder most religionsts of his time concluded Jesus was the head of a cult therefore any group that truly belongs to him will also be labeled a cult group as well! Matthew 10:25

".[/b]..Jesus in the first century...."[b]
Which Jesus are you talking about? The one found in the Word and revealed to the whole world or the one hiding in the watch tower reveal only to the 8 men?

The one in the Word said to His disciples 'don't hate those who are not among us'

While the one hiding in Watch tower is saying that whoever is not a JW is an enemy.

*. Mark 9:38 "KJV:And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and WE FORBAD HIM, BECAUSE HE FOLLOWETH NOT US.
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KJV: BUT JESUS SAID, FORBID HIM NOT: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me."

note: the only sin of the man is BECAUSE HE FOLLOWETH NOT US.

The man was able to cast out devil in the name of Jesus ( mark 9:38), which themselves were not able to do (Matthew 17:19)...

Yet they are the ones who are finding fault... not that he committed any known sin but BECAUSE HE FOLLOWETH NOT US.

Max, come out of this organization for your good... no talk sey I no tell you o!

achorladey:
Who added the brackets?

Those you call in your previous post will come and see this. You will see real meaning of DUBIOUS when they attend to it.

Lol the game that guy always play is to quickly call others what they should have called him.

For instance, if he deceived himself he'll quickly tell the other person BE DECEIVING YOURSELF, etc

Janosky:
Bros, your claims are very DUBIOUS.

Can you please point out one of the points the Op raised that doesn't exist in the organization.

One of the points that caught my attention: [/b]"You don’t realise you’re in a cult until something in your head clicks..."[b]

At the beginning of 3rd paragraph
[i][/i]

MaxInDHouse:
That's the spirit of deception nah!

Try to correlate the two statement and ask any intellectual if it's coming from the same spirit sincerely speaking!

"TRUST me, I can VOUCH for MANY of my JW friends to be more honest and moral than my non JW friends" ~ nnamdiosu

"But they (JW friends) can be moral and good by the day, but drink blood at night" ~ nnamdiosu

We can understand because a spirit spoke through Peter and Jesus commended him {Matthew 16:16-19} but after few minutes Jesus said something and ANOTHER spirit spoke through the same Peter! Matthew 16:21-2
So don't worry my guy JWs can understand what happened to our friend (nnamdiosu)

How about the below found at the beginning of the 3rd paragraph:

[/b]"You don’t realise you’re in a cult until something in your head clicks,...."[b]

Janosky:
Bros, your claims are very DUBIOUS.

Can you please point out one of the points the Op raised that doesn't exist in the organization.

One of the points that caught my attention: [/b]"You don’t realise you’re in a cult until something in your head clicks..."[b]

At the beginning of 3rd paragraph

achorladey:
The first line is why they will keep SHUNNING those that do not sin.

You know them inside out. It's now I understand what you mean... lol
[/b]"SHUNNING those that do not sin."[b]

Probably some of these NL GB are enjoying this [i][/i] [/color] embarrassed those that sin but shun anyone who does not sin[color=#990000]

MaxInDHouse:
It's our own God and our own standard so we are OK with it, we will SHUN those that goes contrary to our standard so you can have them!

[/b]"....SHUN those that goes contrary to our standard.."[b]

Your standards go against God standards in the sense that God wants you to shun anyone who is called a brother but he's a fornicator, a rob, a cheat, busybody, etc

*. 1 Corinthians 5:11 "KJV:But now I have written unto you NOT TO KEEP COMPANY, IF ANY MAN THAT IS CALLED A BROTHER BE A FORNICATOR, or COVETOUS, or AN IDOLATOR, or A RAILER, or A DRUNKARD, or AN EXTORTIONER; with such an one no not to eat."

No wonder your organization hardly talk about HOLINESS AND RIGHTEOUSNESS...

You can see why I said t Word is in your hand and in your head but Watch tower is in your Heart...

Your heart is very important...give your heart to Jesus!

*. Proverbs 4:4 "KJV:He taught me also, and said unto me, LET THINE HEART RETAIN MY WORDS: keep my commandments, and live."

*. Proverbs 4:23 "KJV:Keep THY HEART WITH ALL DILIGENCE; for out of it are the issues of life."

Proverbs 23:26 "KJV: MY SON, GIVE ME THINE HEART, and let thine eyes observe my ways."

JESUS is calling you saying MY SON, GIVE ME THINE HEART...