 Family › Re: The Way Nigerian Men Misuse ‘submission’ Would Shock Our Forefathers by Kobojunkie: 5:35pm On Dec 24, 2025 |
Fenrir:
✓ The word "submission" comes from Latin
submissiō (meaning "lowering, yielding" and
Old French submission, derived from the verb
submittere ("to put under, yield", combining
sub (under) and mittere (to send). It entered
Middle English around the late 14th century, initially meaning to refer something for judgment, evolving to its modern sense of
yielding or obedience by the mid-15th century, describing the act of placing oneself or something under another's control or
authority.
✓ You accidentally proved my point "evolving into the modern sense" Bottom line.......
Submission involves yielding authority.
Voluntary service involves exercising choice.
You cannot yield authority by exercising it. 1. As explained, it all has to do with subjecting oneself to that which holds higher authority over a one...the power above one on a hierarchy. 🥱🥱 2. You volunteered to yield authority to your government -- an authority over your person ---in service. Why do you keep protesting even when the facts are before you? 🥱🥱 |
| Family › Re: The Way Nigerian Men Misuse ‘submission’ Would Shock Our Forefathers by Kobojunkie: 5:29pm On Dec 24, 2025 |
Fenrir:
✓ Another misconception, how can that be the origins when it started christ himself?
✓ We know Christ was a real man "not that he was a son of a god" just real historical evidence of a wise man preaching humility and service, unlike Mohammed there is no real historical evidence of him at all.
✓ After he was killed a culture shock might have happened and Roman Catholics were born from it but they are not the origins. There is no different line between what exists today and the person of Jesus Christ...no records to indicate that either Catholicism or Christianity which came after it...connect with Israelites or Jesus Christ of Israel. 🥱🥱 2. This ain't about whether Jesus Christ of Israel existed, but rather whether their is a direct connection between any of the so-called Abrahamic religions are even connected back to Jesus Christ of Israel or the God and people of Israel. And the answer is, "No."! 🥱🥱 3. There were no culture shocks recorded among the Israelites in and around Judae at the time...nothing of that sort is recorded either. Let's try not to create that which never was. 🥱🥱 What is instead recorded was that the Romans were tired of the Judean uprisings and were bent on removing them from that land. The fire that led to that began around 70 AD when the exiling of over 2/3rd of Judean a began, and only about 5 decades later, the land was renamed Palestine by the Romans.  |
| Romance › Re: Dear Men, The Double Standards Are Real by Kobojunkie: 4:49pm On Dec 24, 2025 |
FreeIgboho:
✓ You are now being funny. Why don't they use that logic to have men and women compete together in boxing, wrestling, running, etc. "All" is totally unnecessary. Alpha males get together and run things and make rules because they can enforce them. "All" is totally unnecessary.
✓ "True" simply means "that mirrors patriachy". Example, inheritance through women can be considered Matriarchy - but not in the patriachy sense, which is all-encompassing So when some women beat up some men it means those men are stronger than those women? 🥱🥱🥱 2. I see .. so you use Patriarchy to decide which particular configurations of Matriarchy is true or not? 😩😩😩😩 |
| Family › Re: The Way Nigerian Men Misuse ‘submission’ Would Shock Our Forefathers by Kobojunkie: 4:47pm On Dec 24, 2025 |
Fenrir:
✓ Nope, not my country and you made another mistake. 12 years service was a condition for an inheritance and titles tied to my bloodline.
I was not submitting to anything at all, submission isnt my mindset or the Nordic mindset
Look how disgusted I am by prostration as proof. Volunteering and following orders for a career or belief system is not the same as submission and you are confusing them because of the culture you were raised into, you have kids? Thats implies you are married all of your wedding cultures the modern interpretations "submission to the brides family and extended is expected in all tribal weddings" that was never the original case, they were all reciprocal but the modern 1 sided submissive corruption took over because your cultures and the civil war generation allowed it. Thou does protect too much! 🥱🥱🥱 Please go investigate the meaning and roots of the word Submission at this point to understand why I keep insisting that service implies submission. |
| Family › Re: The Way Nigerian Men Misuse ‘submission’ Would Shock Our Forefathers by Kobojunkie: 4:44pm On Dec 24, 2025 |
Fenrir:
✓ See, you are mistaking roman Catholic for Christianity but thats not strictly correct. Catholicism is branch of Christianity not overall Christianity or the origins. You are not aware that Christianity, as you have it today, originally branched out from the religion of Catholicism around the 1600s? |
| Family › Re: The Way Nigerian Men Misuse ‘submission’ Would Shock Our Forefathers by Kobojunkie: 4:35pm On Dec 24, 2025 |
Fenrir:
✓ Voluntary service is not the same as submission
When I joined the military I volunteered to serve the country not submit to it.
✓ At every point I had the legal right to refuse an order because im the one that had to pull the trigger and face the consequences and its the same principle for original Christianity. The reason you have submission stuck in your brain is the African upbringing not the religion use Europe as the framework. Same modern Christianity same bibles but do we going around expecting and demanding submission? Nope, Just the weird red pill tate worshippers. You served your country implies you submitted yourself to the terms of service put forth by your country. To join the army, even the volunteer service, you have to submit to the lead of those above you, do you not? 2. Sure, you may have had that freedom but everything you supposedly did for your country,had to be according to stipulations set by your country, was it not? I mean you didn't go out robbing banks and boozing up all day and night while claiming it was all in service to your country, right? Submission is simply an agreement between an individual and another giving the other -- a hierarchical contract. |
| Family › Re: The Way Nigerian Men Misuse ‘submission’ Would Shock Our Forefathers by Kobojunkie: 4:29pm On Dec 24, 2025 |
Fenrir:
✓ In reality it had nothing to do with Romans. Christianity is an offshoot of the Jewish faith. Christ was a Jew and Christians are not the same religion as him. They are followers of Christ "his teachings but not of the same belief"
✓ Judaism 🔜 Christianity 🔜 Islam
The 3 Abrahamic religions and it all starts with "ze jews" What you have today as the religion of Christianity is a part of the political movement started by Romans back towards the end of the Ist century AD. There was also the political movement that attempted usurping the gods of the Grecians but that movement was eventually overtaken by the movement that attempted usurping the ideas of the Israelites at the time. 2. Completely wrong given that the God of Abraham made it clear that His chosen people were the descendants of Jacob to whom He gave the name Israel to. Recall His name YHWH points the Him being God of Israel...not God of the Greeks or Rome or America but Israel, the bloodline He marked using His name as His own.🥱🥱 |
| Family › Re: The Way Nigerian Men Misuse ‘submission’ Would Shock Our Forefathers by Kobojunkie: 4:22pm On Dec 24, 2025 |
Fenrir:
✓ Nice AI use fella. But the misunderstanding is happening because im talking original Christianity
✓ Voluntary service No submission Question everything
✓ You are talking the modern corruptions, if you cant see the bigger picture and identify WHEN cultures started corrupting it to submission this debate is pointless. 1. . But I don't use Ai. I literally type out every word I can and use text correction to correct my spelling mistakes where possible. It seems to me either your AI plagiarism detector is broken --- also think you are too obsessed with it -- or you are not configuring it correctly. 2. Voluntary service is also a.form of submission. Either you are submitting to the terms set by the organization you volunteer with or you submit to some inner desire of yours to serve others believing it is good that counts towards something bigger than yourself. Again, service/slavery is born from submission. 🥱🥱 3. There is nothing like modern corruption. The religion has been corrupt from its beginnings -- the very first non-israelites who took it on themselves to high Jack the ideas espoused by the original Israelites for the purpose of their own benefit and greed in Rome -- it was all political from its beginnings. 🥱🥱 |
| Family › Re: The Way Nigerian Men Misuse ‘submission’ Would Shock Our Forefathers by Kobojunkie: 4:13pm On Dec 24, 2025 |
Fenrir:
✓ None of you are Christian thats the point. None of you practice Christianity at all take the devil as an example = didn't exist in Christianity it was 3 separate ideas that were merged together when a corrupted version became popular.
✓ My point is... learn the origins before you criticise and judge that goes for your "cultures and traditions as well" none of it is traditional in religion or culture its all watered down and 1 sided hypocrite modern interpretations. And when it comes to Nigeria its a huge cascade effect happening. 1. I don't need to be a Christian to realize the fraud that is Christianity and all other religions out there. 🥱🥱🥱 2. I definitely know the origins of Christianity and know for a fact that it is not directly or indirectly connected with the people written about in that book of books called the Bible. Christianity( or Catholicism, the origins of it) was born out of a need by Romans of the time to fraudulently use the popularity of a group once despised by the Romans to usurp power in Rome. And that is what happened. What you have today is the result of another attempt made by those referred to as Protestants to usurp power for themselves from the vast power that existed only to those in Rome back in the 1600s 🥱🥱🥱 |
| Family › Re: The Way Nigerian Men Misuse ‘submission’ Would Shock Our Forefathers by Kobojunkie: 4:07pm On Dec 24, 2025 |
Fenrir:
✓ Yes it does, if you cared about your kids then you would not want them submitting to anyone at all, and original Christianity was about free choice and voluntary service NOT submission I care about my kids but this discussion has nothing to do with them so, let's focus. 2. Service first requires submission which if you reason it carefully makes sense. But in your bid to distance yourself from the lives wore,you hastily ignore this element. If I wish to serve someone, I must submit myself to something in order to accomplish that. Christians believe the husband is the head over a wife -- the one she submits to -- in order to serve him. 🥱🥱 Single women do not have husbands hence they are not supposed to submit to any man. That should ordinarily be the case, however, the same religion instead set their gods of men -- pastors, popes, GOs, etc., -- as heads/gods to whom women should submit to aka serve. Literally, no woman is exempt from having a man over her head in that religion like all other religions out there. (Not much different from traditional ideas where no woman is ever free of the monitoring of men.) 🥱🥱 |
| Family › Re: The Way Nigerian Men Misuse ‘submission’ Would Shock Our Forefathers by Kobojunkie: 3:59pm On Dec 24, 2025 |
Fenrir:
✓ Actually read the greek and explanations not just skip past it in arrogance and 6 foot? Ok little man grow another 7 inches and we'll be equals Nothing of what I stated hinted at the language of the text being of issue, so I am uncertain why you keep pushing the Greek in my face as though it changes anything.🥱🥱🥱 Go back and reread what I have written to get a clear understanding of what I said and how nothing of what you wrote connects still. 🥱🥱🥱 |
| Romance › Re: Dear Men, The Double Standards Are Real by Kobojunkie: 3:56pm On Dec 24, 2025 |
FreeIgboho:
✓ I hope you agree it doesn't make logical.sense. Men were stronger and in the old days everything was by how strong you were.
✓Plus women were weighed down by pregnancy and child-care
✓ ...and needs a man's protection durring those times if not always.
✓ Anyway Google below says true matriachy (akin to patriarchy) never existed and doesn't exist. Are all men strong? 🥱🥱 .2. Do all women have pregnancies and raise children? 🥱🥱 3. Are all men protectors? 🥱🥱🥱 4. Why does Matriarchy need to be qualified with the word "true" when there are different kinds of matriarchal systems that exists for good reason....women have to coexist with men for even such a system to work. 🥱🥱🥱 |
| Family › Re: The Way Nigerian Men Misuse ‘submission’ Would Shock Our Forefathers by Kobojunkie: 3:47pm On Dec 24, 2025 |
Fenrir:
✓ [size=6 pt] Little man, im going to explain the difference between me and you by telling you how im raising my daughter in Nigeria and the religious section ive posted on here before
☺️ and found a 7 month old staffy here.
First of all her safety and education are my number 1 priority.
She has 4 dogs that obey her every word and go EVERYWHERE she goes
1) this little mutt thing "the eyes"
2) a rottweiler "the body"
3) a Staffordshire bull terrier "the heart and soul
4) a border collie "the brain"
I removed the food drive from them
Kibble access 24/7
1 cooked meal per day "Whatever meat i get that day, vegetables and then the ancient black rice"
Liver jerky I make myself and all they need to do is ask
Someone can throw steak or anything and they will not care at all
I imprinted them onto her
Shes the reward, just being around her and protecting her and obeying her is the reward
Shes the master and above me, im just the owner "vet bills and food"
Her economy
I want to explain the allowance and learning system I’ve set up for hilda so you understand why it is structured this way. It’s not spoiling it’s designed to teach responsibility, independence, and real-world skills safely.
1️⃣ Universal Basic Allowance (UBI)
She receives £50 per month, guaranteed, no matter what. "Around 90,000 naira"
This is her economic foundation, giving her autonomy safely at age 8.
2️⃣ Merit-Based Incentives
Positive actions add to her allowance:
Doing what’s right = +10%
Helping without being asked = +10%
Creative or ethical actions that make dad proud = +100%
These bonuses stack and reset monthly.
3️⃣ Consequences for Negative Actions
Misbehavior or breaking rules subtracts from bonus earnings:
Minor bad behavior = -10%
Bullying = -10%
Major disappointment/breaking the social contract = -100%
The guaranteed £50 never goes below zero, ensuring safety.
4️⃣ Pet Responsibility
She chose micro hamsters. I provide the cage, substrate, and water.
She is responsible for care, cleaning, food, and toys.
This teaches empathy, routine, accountability, and observation.
5️⃣ Resource Management & Creative Learning
She purchased a second-hand food dehydrator to preserve fruit and vegetables.
She supplements the hamsters’ diet with dehydrated food and hamster pellets (costing the equivalent of ~£1.50/month).
She learned nutrition, resource efficiency, and planning.
For toys, she selects materials from my workshop and participates in building them.
Labor for toys is rewarded with small treats (e.g., jelly babies), teaching work reward, bartering, and the value of labor.
6️⃣ Micro-Economy & Civic Lessons
She has a garden allotment: whatever she grows can be sold to neighbors at low prices, with unsold items bought by me.
Earnings above the £50 UBI are taxed 14% into a fund for her first car, teaching civic contribution and delayed gratification.
She must save 5% minimum of any extra earnings, building financial responsibility and a backup fund.
7️⃣ Key Life Skills Learned
Decision-making & accountability
Resource & financial management
Ethics, responsibility, and civic duty
Entrepreneurship and understanding markets
Delayed gratification and planning for future needs
Creative problem solving and labor value
Summary:
This system gives her the economic power of an adult safely, and allows her to learn responsibility, ethics, and real-world skills long before she reaches adolescence. It is not spoiling, but a structured way to teach independence, empathy, and literary
If you are a mathematician then you should understand
She "asked to be Christian" so her atheist dad is teaching her real Christianity
Free will. In Galatians 5:13, the Greek reads
“τῇ ἐλευθερίᾳ ᾑλεὐθερώθητε, ἀλλ’ μὴ τὴν ἐλευθερίαν εἰς σάρκα ἐκμεταλλευόμενοι, ἀλλ’ δι’ ἀγάπην ἀλλήλους δουλεύετε” “For you were called to freedom, brothers and sisters, only do not use your freedom for selfish purposes but through love serve one another.”
The word ἐλευθερία (eleutheria) emphasizes voluntary choice. People are encouraged to live ethically (ἀρετή, arete) and follow conscience. The concept of eternal punishment as coercion is not in the earliest texts. Gehenna (γέεννα) appears in the gospels as a moral consequence, not as a threat to force belief.
Fear, control, and dominance. Jesus’ ministry focused on teaching (διδάσκω, didasko), helping, and healing (θεραπεύω, therapeuo). He never sought political power in the earliest gospels. Matthew 10:8 states
“θεραπεύετε ἀσθενεῖς, καθαρίζετε λεπρούς, ἐγείρετε νεκρούς” “Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead.”
This shows voluntary service, not domination. Historical expansions through empires came centuries later.
Imposing religion. The Greek command μαθητεύσατε (matheteusate) in Matthew 28:19 literally means “make disciples” in the sense of teaching and mentoring. Mark 1:15 reads
“μετανοεῖτε καὶ πιστεύετε ἐν τῷ εὐαγγελίῳ” “Repent and believe in the gospel,” which is an invitation, not a forced command.
Tribal laws and cultural superiority. When the text discusses sinful ways (ἁμαρτία, hamartia), it refers to moral failings like theft, murder, or injustice, not entire cultures. Matthew 15:11 states
“οὐ τὸ εἰσερχόμενον εἰς τὸ στόμα κοινοῖ τὸν ἄνθρωπον, ἀλλὰ τὸ ἐκπορευόμενον ἐκ τοῦ στόματος τοῦ ἀνθρώπου” “It is not what enters the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth.”
Jesus interacts with different groups without demanding they abandon their culture.
Spiritual truth and cultural dominance. Christianity in the original writings is a personal ethical path. Luke 9:23 reads
“εἶπεν δὲ πρὸς πάντας· ἐὰν θέλη τις ὀπίσω μου ἔρχεσθαι, ἀπαρνησάσθω ἑαυτὸν καὶ ἀράτω τὸν σταυρὸν αὐτοῦ καθ’ ἡμέραν καὶ ἀκολουθείτω μοι” “If anyone wants to come after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross daily, and follow me.”
The verb ἀκολουθείτω (akoloutheo) emphasizes voluntary personal following, not cultural domination.
Free will and freedom of conscience. Romans 14:5-6 reads
“ἕκαστος ἑαυτῷ πείθεται ἐν τῇ διανοίᾳ αὐτοῦ” “Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.”
The Greek word συνείδησις (suneidesis) stresses personal responsibility. Following teachings is voluntary. Coercion and punishment appear only later, not in the original texts.
Rights to choose, think, speak, and worship. 1 Corinthians 10:29 states
“οὐ τὸν ἄνθρωπον ἀνακρίνω” “I am not judging the person.”
Acts 17:11 praises the Bereans
“εἰσὶν δὲ ἐπουράνιοι ἐξετάζοντες τὰς γραφάς καθ’ ἡμέραν” “They examined the Scriptures every day.”
Individuals are encouraged to study and decide for themselves. There is no mandate to enforce obedience or suppress thought.
Crusades and persecution. The earliest manuscripts contain no instructions to use violence. Matthew 5:16 reads
“οὕτως λαμψάτω τὸ φῶς ὑμῶν ἔμπροσθεν τῶν ἀνθρώπων” “Let your light shine before others.”
The original emphasis is on teaching, guidance, and building community through example. Historical crusades, forced conversions, and persecution came centuries later.
When you strip away centuries of political influence, cultural overlays, and human errors, the original message of the Bible is clear. It is an invitation to live a life of personal ἀρετή (virtue) and voluntary service (δουλεύετε). The texts emphasize the right to think independently (Romans 14:5) and the need for personal commitment (Luke 9:23). Historical abuses like the Crusades or forced conversions are later deviations and have no foundation in the earliest manuscripts. Claims that the Bible’s original purpose was coercion, control, or cultural dominance are not supported by its own Greek and Hebrew words.
She asked to learn mma so im teaching her myself "starting with judo"
Fella before shes 12 she will be an ethical ceo alpha warrior monk with her own pack
Basically unstoppable
Because she asked for it all and its my duty[/size] None of this has anything to do with the topic of marriage and submission under religion. Please focus on those here. Again, as I said, the ideas put forward by pretty much all religions regarding mirage tend to mirror local traditional motions of marriage and submission for women in most every detail. 🤔🤔 |
| Family › Re: The Way Nigerian Men Misuse ‘submission’ Would Shock Our Forefathers by Kobojunkie: 3:35pm On Dec 24, 2025 |
Fenrir:
✓ Im atheist and im quoting the original Greek and Hebrew not translations of translations of translations. So get your facts right please. It does not matter what you choose to quote as I made myself clear that Christianity is a religion that looks nothing like what is written in those texts, even where it concerns the issue of mariage and submission. What you find in most religions is an idea much closer to what is considered the traditional route if marriage where we are all aware that the woman is lower on the hierarchy than the man. 🥱🥱 |
| Romance › Re: Dear Men, The Double Standards Are Real by Kobojunkie: 3:23pm On Dec 24, 2025 |
FreeIgboho:
✓ Good research but if you go back they were originally male-governed then something happened.
Why? Simply because men are stronger and originally everything was by brute force therefore it is simply impossible to have a human society that has always been ruled by women Read the article. You are told that patriarchy is the more recent development compared to matriarchy.  If you look far enough back into history, you'll find that women were revered and honored for their ability to bear children. Even if you just crack open a Greek epic, the pages are teeming with goddesses and female warriors, elevated to a position of worship and respect.
But over the course of history, societies across the globe started to bend towards a more patriarchal structure, which is pervasive in most communities in modern times. However, there are still surviving matriarchal societies to be found where women, literally, are the dominant steering factor in all matters, social, political, and economical. Read up on how these six individual communities across the globe and how they have diverged from the western-patriarchal architecture that is pervasive throughout most of the world. So, it isn't that those matriarchal systems of today were born out of patriarchy but that matriarchal systems existed long before and those that exist today either continue on from before or either reverted back to what they had previously had or known.🥱🥱 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Men Need To Learn From Proverbs Chapter 31 by Kobojunkie: 3:06pm On Dec 24, 2025 |
JobZoneNews:
✓ As much as we need virtuous women today according to Proverbs Chapter 31, we also need virtuous men too.
We (men and women) are spiritual wives to Jesus Christ since Jesus is the husband of the church.
So if you are a man and you have ever nursed the thought that the contents of Proverbs 31 is only for women, you need to erase that thought from your mind.
Take your time to study the contents of Proverbs Chapter 31 and let the revelation help you as a man.
We also need virtuous men too.
Proverbs 31:10
Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies. *© Action Power*
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| Family › Re: The Way Nigerian Men Misuse ‘submission’ Would Shock Our Forefathers by Kobojunkie: 2:58pm On Dec 24, 2025 |
Fenrir:
Im disappointed in you Kobojunkie. The 1 Nigerian on here i believed held yourself to a higher standard. Anything.....
The hypocrite marriage attitude in Nigeria
The original Greek and Hebrew, Nigerian Christianity, and Nigerian law
How coercion violates scripture and law simultaneously
When practice contradicts text, appeals to “Christian values” or “biblical marriage” are false attribution.
When practice contradicts law as well, what remains is not religion or culture but unlawful social control.
Modern law did not invent consent, free will, or accountability.
It translated them.
Free will and accountability. Choice as the foundation of morality and law.
In Galatians 5:13, the Greek reads:
“τῇ ἐλευθερίᾳ ᾑλεὐθερώθητε…”
“For you were called to freedom…”
ἐλευθερία (eleutheria) means voluntary moral agency.
Not chaos. Not disobedience. Choice with responsibility.
The text replaces coercion with accountability.
People choose freely, then answer for those choices.
Nigerian contradiction
Religion is often enforced socially:
assumed belief
punished dissent
emotional coercion
This violates the text.
Nigerian law (federal)
1999 Constitution of Nigeria, Section 38
Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion
Includes freedom to change religion or hold none
Includes freedom from coercion
👉 The Constitution is a legal restatement of eleutheria.
Daily religious pressure violates both scripture and law.
Fear, hell, and control. Moral consequence, not psychological weapon.
The gospels use γέεννα (Gehenna) and ᾍδης (Hades).
Gehenna: a real valley, symbol of destruction or purification
Hades: the realm of the dead
Neither supports modern fear-based behavioural control.
Fear replaces accountability with compliance.
Nigerian contradiction
Hell is routinely used as:
threat
behavioural leash
social weapon
Nigerian law
Criminal Code & Penal Code
Threats and intimidation are offences
Coercion invalidates consent in civil and criminal contexts
👉 Law mirrors the original message:
Fear invalidates moral choice.
Authority inverted. Exousia becomes service, not domination.
Matthew 20:25–26:
“The rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them… but it shall not be so among you.”
ἐξουσία (exousia) is authority exercised responsibly, not domination.
John 13 linguistically inverts κύριος (kurios) when Jesus washes feet.
Nigerian contradiction
Religious and family authority is treated as:
unquestionable
absolute
disciplinary
Nigerian law
Constitution, Section 34
Right to dignity of the human person
Prohibits degrading treatment
👉 Absolute authority over adults violates both:
Christian exousia
Constitutional dignity
Teaching, not forcing. Religion as invitation.
Matthew 28:19:
μαθητεύσατε (matheteusate) teach, mentor
Mark 1:15:
“Repent and believe”
Both presuppose refusal.
Nigerian contradiction
Refusal treated as rebellion
Doubt punished
Compliance enforced
Nigerian law
Child Rights Act & Education Policy
Prohibits religious coercion
Protects freedom of belief even for minors
👉 Teaching without choice is illegal instruction, not education.
Tradition versus God. Culture does not outrank conscience.
Matthew 15:6:
παράδοσις (paradosis) — human tradition
“You nullify the word of God because of your tradition.”
This verse is Christianity’s internal override switch.
A tradition is automatically void when it contradicts moral law.
Nigerian contradiction
“Traditional marriage” treated as superior to:
court marriage
church marriage
mutual consent
Nigerian law
Marriage Act (federal)
Court marriage is fully valid nationwide
Customary rites are optional
No ritual confers extra legal validity
👉 Law follows the text:
Tradition is subordinate.
Lies and manipulation. No exemption for culture.
Hebrew law:
“You shall not bear false witness.”
Greek:
“The truth will set you free.”
Nigerian contradiction
Families claim:
rituals are mandatory
marriages invalid without them
spiritual consequences will follow refusal
Nigerian law
Fraud, misrepresentation, undue influence
Contracts obtained through deception are void
Consent obtained by falsehood is invalid
👉 Manipulation violates biblical ethics and contract law.
Marriage and weddings. Consent creates marriage, not ritual.
In the Bible, marriage forms through:
consent
covenant
responsibility
No ritual creates marriage by force.
Nigerian contradiction
Wedding rituals treated as:
compulsory
legitimising
authority-granting
Nigerian law
Marriage Act + Customary Courts
Marriage exists by consent and registration
Ceremonies are symbolic, not constitutive
No family has veto power over adult marriage
👉 Law reflects the original Christian model:
Choice creates covenant.
Bride price. Mohar is obligation, not purchase.
Hebrew:
מֹהַר (mohar) — obligation
not קָנָה (qanah) — to buy
Exodus 22:16–17:
Payment does not force marriage
Payment does not create ownership
Nigerian contradiction
Bride price treated as:
purchase
entitlement
authority over woman and children
Nigerian law
Customary Law + Supreme Court rulings
Bride price does NOT create ownership
Women are not property
Marriage is not a sale
👉 Law and Hebrew text agree:
Mohar ≠ ownership.
Children are not property.
Psalm 127:3:
“Children are a heritage…”
Greek:
κληρονομία (klēronomia) — stewardship
Nigerian contradiction
“If bride price is paid, children belong to the man.”
Nigerian law
Child Rights Act
Children are independent rights-holders
No parent “owns” a child
Best interest of the child overrides custom
👉 Cultural ownership claims violate:
Scripture
Statute
International law
Household and obedience. Honour ≠ submission.
Greek:
τιμάω (timaō) — honour
ὑπακούω (hypakouō) — obey
The text separates respect from obedience.
Nigerian contradiction
“Honour your parents” used to demand:
ritual compliance
marriage control
life decisions
Nigerian law
Constitution + Family Law
Adults owe no obedience to parents
Honour does not equal submission
👉 Law reflects the Greek distinction exactly.
Conscience and moral responsibility.
Romans 14:5:
συνείδησις (suneidēsis) — internal moral knowledge
Action without conviction is morally compromised.
Nigerian contradiction
Obedience without conviction is praised.
Nigerian law
Consent doctrine
Actions without free will lack legal validity
Coerced decisions are reversible
👉 Law formalises what the text already taught.
The Berean standard. Questioning authority is virtuous.
Acts 17:11:
Bereans praised for questioning religious authority
Nigerian contradiction
Questioning elders or pastors treated as moral failure.
Nigerian law
Freedom of expression
Right to question, criticise, dissent
No immunity for religious authority
👉 Law sides with the Bereans.
Ekklēsia. Voluntary assembly, not surveillance.
Greek:
ἐκκλησία (ekklēsia) — voluntary civic assembly
Nigerian contradiction
Church attendance enforced by:
family pressure
social surveillance
Nigerian law
Freedom of association
Attendance must be voluntary
No penalties for non-participation
👉 Law re-expresses ekklēsia in secular terms.
“Customary law.” Why it is not law — and why forcing it is punishable.
Customary law is often spoken of as if it were a parallel legal system equal to statutory or constitutional law. It is not.
There is no codified legal code for customary law for any of Nigeria’s:
371 tribes
260+ ethnic groups
No written statutes.
No unified jurisdiction.
No produced legal texts defining rights, procedures, offences, or penalties.
No one can produce a single complete legal code for “customary law” applicable even within one tribe, let alone nationally.
This reveals its true nature.
Customary law is not law.
It is a voluntary social system that operates only by consent.
It functions where:
all parties agree
participation is voluntary
exit is possible
The moment consent is removed, customary law ceases to exist as a legal concept.
A system with:
no codified rules
no enforceable neutrality
no guaranteed protections
cannot compel behaviour.
The legal boundary Nigerians routinely cross.
Here is the distinction ignored daily:
Customary law itself cannot be enforced
Forcing or manipulating people under the banner of “customary law” is legally enforceable against those who attempt it
The law does not recognise “customary law” as a power to compel adults.
It does recognise:
coercion
intimidation
fraud
undue influence
harassment
So when families attempt to force rituals, marriages, obedience, or compliance — they are not exercising customary law.
They are committing recognised legal acts, for which liability attaches to:
the family members involved
intermediaries who applied pressure
anyone who misrepresented law or consequences
Invoking “customary law” does not create authority.
It creates exposure.
The convergence with scripture and law.
This mirrors the same kill switch embedded in both systems:
Christianity voids tradition that nullifies justice
Nigerian law voids custom repugnant to natural justice
Custom survives only when it is:
chosen
harmless
non-coercive
Once forced, both systems reject it.
Final synthesis
Christianity’s original message is not anti-law.
Law is its secular translation.
Free will → consent
Agapē → voluntary obligation
Exousia → accountable authority
Conscience → legal capacity
Covenant → contract
Stewardship → rights
What is routinely violated in Nigeria is not Christianity alone.
It is:
Christian ethics
Federal law
State law
International human-rights law
All at once.
The system persists because:
culture enforces what law forbids
religion legitimises what scripture rejects
This is not belief vs unbelief.
It is:
Text + Law vs Social Control
And both the Bible and the Nigerian Constitution say the same thing:
Without consent, nothing is valid. Everyone of your Christian practices and Traditions stands in direct violation of that text. 🥱🥱🥱 |
| Family › Re: I Need Help by Kobojunkie: 2:49pm On Dec 24, 2025*. Modified: 5:52pm On Dec 24, 2025 |
Petrzoom:
✓ What's the part of the marriage she's doing from his explanation except making him to come here to complain bitterly. Share of marital communal funds that he's mostly contributing to despite forcing him to work from home? OP is forced to work from home? How? Where? He works and she works,. After work, both have the child and chores to take care of still. So, what part is unfair to Op? 😩😩😩 Yes Op wishes to go out after work hours probably to hang out and as he said, hussle, too. He could work of some sort of arrangement where some days out of his week, he takes on more tasks in the home so he can then go hang like he wants to, away from his daughter and wife. 🤔🤔 However, on issue of possible financial abuse,v that he needs to realize. And if he is unwilling to work with his wife so he can keep marriage while working through his mental health problems, divorce sounds like a reasonable out. 🥱🥱🥱 |
| Family › Re: Burial Poster Of 37-Year-Old Man Who Left Behind 7 Wives by Kobojunkie: 2:36pm On Dec 24, 2025*. Modified: 3:09pm On Dec 24, 2025 |
Idaytesj29:
✓ Women dont hate polygamy, it's poor men that they hate. If a man has 5 wives before and he is rich like Otedollar or $Dangote,.... will marry him as the 6th wife. With this comment, I am certain you are a poor man....always obsessed with comparing poor people to the rich who make up the 1% 🥱🥱🥱 |
| Romance › Re: Men Should Stop Risking The Life Of The son They Had Out Of Wedlock by Kobojunkie: 6:07am On Dec 24, 2025 |
guobe:
✓ Some men will have a son out of wedlock and when they marry and start having kids they will bring the son to be living with the new wife.
What you just did is like you just put the kid inside transformer that is working so that he dies.
✓ An average African is property conscious and won't mind kpaing the son either physically or spiritually.
Imagine a young vibrant boy awaiting youth service gone so soon just like that.
Men be wise 1. Who said such men are oblivious of the transformer situation they placed those kids in? 🥱🥱🥱 2. You mean women from other clines aren't equally property conscious? 🥱🥱 |
| Family › Re: Woman Divorced Her Husband For Cheating, Becomes A Side Chick To A Married Man by Kobojunkie: 5:44am On Dec 24, 2025 |
PassingShot:
➜I am sure you are living a very miserable life  Sorry about your life troubles Dream on! 🥱🥱🥱 |
| Romance › Re: Dear Men, The Double Standards Are Real by Kobojunkie: 5:23am On Dec 24, 2025 |
ChybuzzDD:
So?
Were the people who helped them up women  Why do the people need to be women? Or why do you need them to be women? 🥱🥱🥱 |
| Family › Re: I Need Help by Kobojunkie: 4:37am On Dec 24, 2025 |
cupcup:
Wow, I just checked your profile nd ur post…. I thought as much…
Well one question for you… Will you allow your brother…. To be filling a basket with water When h know it’s impossible?? What advice will you give a male gender from your branch? Neither I nor my brothers or sons reason marriage the way you do. If you see your marriage as filling a basket with water, then I am with the other guy in calling for you to begin considering divorce. 🥱🥱🥱 In a partnership marriage, both partners are meant to partake in the dividends of the marriage... You are right to budget for everything that needs to be, but you forgot your wife and are here complaining that she is getting her share from other avenues. She is a partner, is she not? From your every explanation, she seems to be doing her part in the marriage while at the same time trying to get her share of the marital communal funds that belong to her. Why are you stuck on the idea that she deserves nothing? Does she not do her part in the marriage just like you? 🥱🥱 |
| Romance › Re: Dear Men, The Double Standards Are Real by Kobojunkie: 4:30am On Dec 24, 2025 |
abbey621:
➜The topic is inheritance, what business does a poor man have with inheritance? Read my initial comment and reply accordingly, I don't give a flip about man or woman dynamics in 9ja but the topic of inheritance is not for poor people! But wait... You posed the following question, did you not? abbey621:
We are talking about now compared to 30 years ago, WHY WOULD ANY WOMAN MARRY A MAN WITH NO EDUCATION, NO WILL & NO PLAN? Una no dey learn?... And then you went on to state the following ... abbey621:
...The people you're describing are mostly poor or average at best, MAJORITY of village men are not leaving behind a mansion or enough money to secure his family for the rest of their lives. We are not talking about a million or two or that old village family house but REAL INHERITANCE! Come on... this was never truly about inheritance, as the one who brought up the mention of inheritance was you... And yes, even children from poor backgrounds hope for some form of inheritance, even though more times out of not, their fathers never leave behind more than just the clothes on their backs when they die. Now, as for the previous post, ➜See your conditions for the female to get what should be naturally hers - "Many educated wealthy men now have wills". How about no education, no wills? How about traditionally?
Check the villages. A woman can't be seen with a man for years after her husband dies, while a man can be sleeping with his second wife same night! In the old days the alive wife actually gets buried alive with her husband! Just admit things are unfair to women because it is men that set it up! To this day, what is described above continues to happen even among the poor, where you rightly pointed out that there is next to no inheritance to fight over in those situations. Yet widows are held back from moving in many years after the demise of their husbands, while widowers are literally allowed to do as they please whenever they please. How you came up with insisting this has nothing to do with the system having a double standard is still beyond me. |
| Family › Re: The Way Nigerian Men Misuse ‘submission’ Would Shock Our Forefathers by Kobojunkie: 4:24am On Dec 24, 2025*. Modified: 2:55pm On Dec 24, 2025 |
greenmonk:
➜I talkam. You be pastor. Pastors like pandering to women.
Was it not the same bible you teach that said women should be submissive to their husbands.
➜You don't want the man to be authoritative but you expect him to pay bride price and go through fire to acquire a wife and after that becomes an equal yoker with her.
➜ If women really want equality some the practices in Nigeria have to change. Here's the problem with your claim: ⚈ Marriage in that book is defined as a man leaving his father and his mother behind to join with his woman as one — one signifying the agreement/contract that is marriage. What you poeple practice is instead a situation where a man holds fast to his mother and father, while it is the woman who leaves her father and her mother to join the man's household. Notice how there is no difference between the traditional idea of marriage and the religious notion of what marriage is. ⚈ Submission as written in that book is, in fact, detailed as the curse that was placed specifically on the woman in relation to her husband -- In marriage alive ---after the fall of man. That curse was never repealed nor replaced for the woman in marriage, and it was meant to have the woman subjugated in marriage —she was a slave to his desires in marriage. As a matter of fact, the only way for a woman to live above that specific curse is to not marry at all, an idea unpopular with most religious folks. 2. Paying of bride price has to do with your traditions requiring that of you. Most Nigerian men would rather pay bride price than marry a woman in the courts, though, which offers a marriage built on partnership and not on subjugation. So, the issue isn't the bride price but the mentality that many Nigerian men still hold as far as what they consider the place of the woman(a place beneath them). 3. The practices don't need to change; rather, more men need to choose the more equal arrangement in marriage. |
| Family › Re: The Way Nigerian Men Misuse ‘submission’ Would Shock Our Forefathers by Kobojunkie: 3:57am On Dec 24, 2025*. Modified: 3:39pm On Dec 24, 2025 |
Fountainofyouth:
➜When you hear most Nigerian men constantly hammer on submission, what they actually mean is that wives should accept and tolerate their bad behaviour e.g cheating should be overlooked, authoritative traits, respect them despite being irresponsible, and so many other evil vices
But I'm so glad that women these days refused to agree and tolerate bull...shit, reason why divorce is on the rise and will continue to rise. It has been that way since the time of their ancestors, who saw women as exchangeable parts in their seek to have their desires met. Women were easily abandoned... no need for formal divorce... and women remain the same way now. Why? Because women have, for the most part, existed as subordinate in marriage home. Religion carries forward that very same status for married women, and does everything it can to gaslight single women into seeing themselves unholy and unworthy entities, incomplete without a man and marriage above their heads. 🥱🥱 |
| Family › Re: The Way Nigerian Men Misuse ‘submission’ Would Shock Our Forefathers by Kobojunkie: 3:54am On Dec 24, 2025 |
Naijalegal:
“SUBMISSION” IN MARRIAGE IS NOT SLAVERY — AND NIGERIAN MEN NEED TO HEAR THIS
Let’s settle this once and for all.
Biblical submission is NOT military command submission style. It is NOT dictatorship. It is NOT “I am the man, shut up.”Marriage was never designed as a superior vs inferior relationship. The Bible calls marriage an EQUAL YOKE — two people becoming ONE. So how did “submission” suddenly turn into subjugation of women in this generation? Submission in marriage simply exists to reduce friction, align vision, and streamline authority, not to silence a woman or erase her intelligence.
“Two cannot walk together except they agree.” Agreement requires voices, not silence.
A submissive wife is not voiceless.
A submissive wife is heard, considered, and integrated into decisions.
Even in traditional African homes, wives were never slaves. The man was the mouth, but the woman was the tongue inside — invisible to outsiders but absolutely indispensable.
Major decisions?
✔️ Wife consulted
✔️ Wife informed
✔️ Wife respected
So how did modern men become more extreme than our forefathers? .... I don't believe this is right, especially where it concerns the bible. The book is abundantly clear that submission is meant to be a master/slave relationship and not a partnership. And yes, submission was meant as a curse for the woman since Genesis 3 in that book. So, this attempt to revise it ain't gonna work at all. Let's leave the book out of this because it is in no way connected to that which has been weaponized by the religion of Christianity, like most other religions, against women in marriages. 🥱🥱 The Biblical idea of marriage is one where a man leaves his father and mother and joins with his wife. However, Christianity mirrors the traditional notion of marriage, which instead has the woman abandoning her mother and father to become a part of her husband's family; a complete departure from the biblical definition of marriage. Clearly, there is nothing biblical about the religious notion of marriage, even among Christians, and hence, the problem you have with the religion is something else that women need to counter using some form of logic for it to stand. |
| Romance › Re: Dear Men, The Double Standards Are Real by Kobojunkie: 3:04am On Dec 24, 2025 |
abbey621:
➜We are talking about now compared to 30 years ago, WHY WOULD ANY WOMAN MARRY A MAN WITH NO EDUCATION, NO WILL & NO PLAN? Una no dey learn? The people you're describing are mostly poor or average at best, MAJORITY of village men are not leaving behind a mansion or enough money to secure his family for the rest of their lives. W[b]e are not talking about a million or two or that old village family house but REAL INHERITANCE![/b] The poor in Nigeria number above 170 million(women combined). And most of those men in that bracket have no real inheritance to offer anyone, including their children. Now, if the vast majority of Nigerian women "learn" and decide they should remain single, una go label them evening newspapers with bad characters? 🥱🥱🥱 |
| Romance › Re: Dear Men, The Double Standards Are Real by Kobojunkie: 2:06am On Dec 24, 2025 |
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| Romance › Re: Should I Consider This As A Red Flag? by Kobojunkie: 12:42am On Dec 24, 2025 |
Sunisonflex39:
✓ No vex, you dey use this brain cross road? If say you use yours cross road, you go understand say no woman should offer her energy and labor for free to anyone including you. 🥱🥱🥱 |
| Romance › Re: I Now Worry About My Two Sisters Who Will Hit 29 & 30 Next Year by Kobojunkie: 12:31am On Dec 24, 2025*. Modified: 12:51am On Dec 25, 2025 |
MerchantMNT:
✓ And it is funny? Of course, it is. If a man can not spot a good man from among those he is around for so long, how then do you expect a woman to do that... spot the mythical creature that is a good man? 🥱🥱🥱 |
| Romance › Re: A Hard Reality About Casual Sex And Sexual Health by Kobojunkie: 12:10am On Dec 24, 2025 |
Doctordan:
Never anything 'casual' about sex actually. Just a few moments of pleasure can have long term effects Nothing protection and consent can't solve. 🥱🥱🥱 |
