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The Pope was VERY careful NOT to apologise. Go and read the transcript of his message you are talking about. He said he "regrets" the actions of the priests. That's what we all do. We regret their disgusting actions.
When he said that thing about muslims, he said it was his personal opinion and not church views. his "regrets" about priest pedophilia isn't an official RCC apology, my friend, just his personal opinion as a person. He was careful not to give an official apology. same goes for the holocaust and all that. Pope John Paul "regretted" RCC's involvement too. but no official apology. Go and read up. In politics you NEVER apologise outrightly for sensitive issues. Why do you think there is no formal apology from the West about the transatlantic slavetrade? They may "regret" and "compensate" but never apologise. That's politics

The Pope Has been very careful to apologise. But your opinion doesn't matter, those who were wouned got healing and they are still with the Church.


I seriosuly think a lot of people need a vocabulary lesson. You know, word and definition of word. Education was lost on some people.

To ALL those who said the Catholic Church did not compile the Bible, please tell us who did.

If we are not Christians then by all means tell us how is it that Christianity was able to be preserved till today, maybe you don't know history but your so called Christianity didn't start until the 15th centrury or so, what happened in the other centuries, the devil was reigning in Christianity and he preserved Christianity?

Does that even make sense to you?

Like I have stated before when you are able to truly define and defend your faith from the Bible and with reason (yup that's right God gave us a brain for a reason, so use it) then you will be worthy of speaking.

Until then if you've got nothing positive to say, SHUT YOUR TRAP!!

SO ONCE AGAIN IF YOU FEEL YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN WHO KNOWS THE FAITH AND YOU CAN DEFEND THE FAITH THEN PLEASE PERMIT ME TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS.

YOU DO NOT HAVE THE CHOICE TO SKIP ANYONE.

You all have scrutinized us, and you still are blind now it's time to scrutinize you to open your eyes.


ANYONE WILLING?

@Chrisbenogor
Catholics are far better than you. Atheism and paganism will not get you anywhere

Please don't speak for Catholics. We are not better than anyone. Thank you.
God created us equally and gave everyone human dignity by calling us his children, so please don't make such comments. No one is better, thank you.

Chris I apologise on his behalf.

Yes. I agree 100%

The first church to:

1. emerge after the early church
2. make idolatory a christian practice
3. make pedophilia a church doctrine
4. support wars and racism
5. be largely political
6. practise celibacy for "priests"

The church is FIRST alright

Wrong!!!

Seriously ma'am, why don't you appraoch things with love. You know since you are not Catholic, and according to you and several others, Catholics are not Christian, which would then make you all Christians, why don't you actually practice Christianity?

Did Jesus say that we should approach people with hatred or cynicsm? No he did not.
If you don't understand, then ask, and when questions are asked of you, then please respond.

I am stil waiting for non-Catholics who know the Bible to actually answer one question about the Bible and about GOD. Nope they run and hide.

It really is sickening, if you can't be mature about discussins then simply don't respond.
If you cannot help but be hypocritical then please don't respond.
If you cannot defend your own beliefs with logic and the Bible, then please don't respond.

1) The earliest record of the Church being called Catholic was in 100 A.D. some people have insinutated that the Church had stop existing at that time and then the Catholic church took over, well then that means the only ones that were Christian were the apostles.
Some have also insinuated that the Church killed the real Christians, in saying so they are saying that those who denied the divinity of Christ are the real Christians. It's funny that sounds like an islamic claim.

2) Before you start speaking idolatry, why don't you first go learn what idolatry means, then you will see that it is not found anywhere in the Catholic Church.

3) Show me the pedophilic doctrine

4) Show me the wars and racism. Incase you don't know the Catholic church was the Church that fought against racism and slavery. If you don't know well now you know.

5) Show me the politics in Catholicism

6) ANd Christ said there are those who are unable to marry because they were born so, those unable to marry because they were made so by man, those who choose to be unmarried for the sake of the Kingdom of heaven, let those who understand do so.
So please simply state that you do not understand Jesus, thank you.

Paul himself was unmarried. The apostles moved around too much to be at home with their families, well for those who were married. They remained celibate until their death. Unless you would say that they didn't travel to spread the gospel.

Look if you don't know anything about the Church, then kindly keep your comments to yourself. If you are sincere and want to learn then do so. You don't have to agree but you have to respect.
If it is burning your body that we have it together and we are not answerable to any man, sorry but that's your own palava.

Remember Jesus was persecuted as the Church is persecuted for spreading the gospel, the Church will always be persecuted and much more than He was.

SO hate it or love it, we have been here for 2000 years and we will continue to be here. There is a reason why the Church has not fallen, did you ever ask yourself that?

Anyway, peace. I would love to have a convo with you, but only after you come correct and with respect.

gracias!!!

You're welcome

ok i get it. not to worry, we have your back on this one

Thank you

Lady i wish you luck in your job hunting and i pray that it will be quicker than you expected.
Lindiwe have a wonderful vacation.
Carl how are you doing?

Thanks Oby, how r u?

hey carl, i'll be going to the holy city of Rome - the Vatican city!!!
i shall be gone till november 2nd!!!

What
I am so happy for you. You get to experience what a lot of people can't.

now that lin, lady and tribalist are on vacation,
ebos, viee, pam and lawyer come and show your faces one time

Hahaha, that will be the day.

Oby & Lady, when wil i ever get u online?

one day go be one day, one day go be one day, when u go catch me online.

@ Hux,

don't forget the type of Christian that build houses for the homeless, runs hospitals for the sick, have educational programs for the illiterate, pay the bills for the financial downtrudden, come up with solutions to the social injustice.
Don't forget the type of Christian wh fought against slavery calling it inhumane, and derogatory to humanity based on the Bible (just ask civil rights activists and they will tell you it is religious, I work with them so I know)

Don't forget the speaker of the House, the senators, Presidents, who are religious that have led to change in our society.

Yup those are the ridiculous ones. Yup they lack reason. They come up with solutions for the people, they roll up their sleeves to help those in need, yup they're the idiots.

Why don't you go build a house for a homeless person, pay someones' bill for them, build a hospital and make it affordable?
Please make yourself useful in society, instead of running around nairaland like a headless chicken looking to discredit Christianity.

I have news for you, God is real, he has always been there and long after you are gone he will always be there.

This is funny, lets look at it this way, both theories have holes granted, only the theists are certain that they are certain they are correct when there is not even a shred of evidence to support their claim that goes beyond mere belief.
Science does not want you to just believe electricity can kill you, they are certain that it can, now that's certainty that cuts across all religions, theists and atheists alike no one is spared, no one is given a special treatment from this phenomenon.
Can we say the same about religion, I don't think so, see I think there is a fair way to analyse these events in our lives, simple and plain honesty, which I continue to advocate here, honestly religion doesn't know any better than the scientists but the difference is the theists are certain so they do not need to find out more, scientists on the other hand know they do not have the answers and search on. That's the reason why they will keep trying to bend reality to fit their beliefs.

That's the problem, the non-religious think that the religious' belief is uncertain. It is very certain and there have been many evidences and yes a lot of them have been physical, I have had the priviledge of experiencing the physical myself.
You however have not seen therefore you expect it to not be true.

If we have to see everything with our own eyes before we believe then we will not believe in anything.

Majority of us believe in something that we have not seen. You can only be certain that evolution occurred based on someone else's finding and not your own. Religious people believe also based on someone else's finding and not their own, some actually believe based on their own finding.

It is quite unfortunate that those who are intellectuals cannot comprehend the simple.

You believe based on facts of others, we believe also based on facts of others.
You believe based on other's attestations, we too believe based on other's attestation.

It is not that difficult.

Air is certain to be there, however it is not see. Because you can't see it does that mean that it isn't there? There is no physical proof of air.

Even if a christian did not befriend a sinner, a christian cannot avoid sin. Doesnt the bible state that we are all sinners and have come short of the glory of god. If christians did not befriend sinners, I'm certain that the next conversation would become a competition and discussion of holiness/ "how holier are you than the next christian" my problem with Nigerian christians is that most are extremely judgemental and this is among the reasons why there are many hypocrites in the churches and everywhere,

like a good friend of mine said, almost every one in Nigeria goes to church/or attends a crusade. now tell me who and where is the devil.

Plus I should add, most of the people Nigerians work for are not christians, dangote, okoya, the white men who own businesses in Nigeria, and co, A human being is an human being and I don't see how befriending a sinner will make one commit or aviod sin.

This should be more of a question of your ideals and moral

You hit the nail on the head.

The best way to avoid sin is to be chaste. I just hope people know what Chaste means, and no it doesn't only include not having sex, that is abstinence.
Chaste means being pure in thought, word, and deed, and in all you do, not just in a relationship. It can be in music, movies, and all.

@ Huxley, the fraternizing Paul speaks of is not adopting their belief, also Paul was speaking to a certain people.
There were groups of people that were not strong in their faith, those are the people that Paul recommends to not fraternize with unbelievers. But for those who are strong in the faith there is nothing wrong with that type of fraternizing, just don't fraternize their unbelief.

Hello May Kelly, bible basher. Can we have some context to that please?

Actually yours is the one taken out of context.

Wisdom of the wise, are people like yourself, who rely solely on themselves and making themselves a god.
You feel no need to listen to a higher power, but instead you listen to yourself and see yourself as wise, when infact your wisdom is highly limited, you are human and very flawed.
You rely on a wisdom that is heavily flawed.
People like you are who the Bible is speaking of when it says the wisdom of the wise.

Those who feel they know it all, those who feel they have all the power in the world, those who are prideful, and those who don't realise how little they know.

Jesus said that we should become like Children, meaning we should be humble. The adults are the ones that feel they know it all because they have this so called knowledge, not realising that the basic tenets of living with neighbours are best learnt from children, humility, love, and compassion.
Even from the babes in the hospital, they lay next to each other, tolerant from each other, not screaming you are christian and I am muslim therefore I cannot lay next to you.

So you view it from the wrong angle.

The Bible is speaking of your wisdom and calling it foolish.

uhhhhh!
tanx lady, i'll miss ya too!
but i really have to go, i'll try very hard to keep intouch somehow!

I SHALL BE BACK!!! BY GOD'S GRACE!!!!

Ok. Enjoy yourself. Be safe

Any normal married human being with assets should have pre nup and post nup arrangements/agreements.

So majority of the world are abnormal?

Hux,

for once I may agree with you, just take a look at SARAH PALIN!!!!

@lady,
don't worry, you have our full support!
moreover, you've got Mother Mary and the Trinity solely behind you! what more!!!!

Thank you.

@all,
i started my vac today,
i'll be away tru out this month, with limited access to the internet k!
so i'll be missing in action for sometime!
but know ye that i love y'all!!!

NOOOOO DON'T GO!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll miss ya.

@ KunleOshob

I went and did more searching, and consulted my Priest, well I think you may have been right.

Tithing is not required of us (Catholics) but we are encouraged to give 5% to the Church and the other 5% to Charities.

what difference does it make if i claim horus or zeus is my savior??

You can believe in whatever or whomever you want, a lot of us believe based on evidences in our lives and in the lives of others.

Those that have seen the miracles of God, including myself, believe and tell others about their evidences.
Now there are some people who try to ridicule God, by coming up with some cock and bull story but it is easily known to be false by those who are strong in the faith and who have the Spirit of discernment.

The difference between God and horus or zeus is that time and time again countless number of people have seen miracles, experienced miracles, witnessed miracles. Time and time again God has shown himself to be living and not dead.

If not, then the greeks wouldn't have converted. Till today God is still showing how powerful he is, and well zeus or horus are in the mythical books. If they were real and powerful and living, they would have been able to survive.

I decided to leave christianity not because i hate christians but because of the over zealous approach by most of these pastors and bible preachers or general gospel spreaders. They are too aggressive in pursuing christianity and whenever you even remotely attempt to disagree with them on a particular verse or chapter or issue, automatically you are looked down on and even one sees you as a leper that is about to be condemned for questioning the bible.

Ok hun, Christianity does not belong to man, it is either you believe in God or you believe in man.
Mind you there are fundamental Christians that annoy me too, but that is not enough reason for me to abandon my God, especially when he's been so good to me.
Man does not control God, and Christianity does not belong to man.
So which is it, God or man? That is your choice to make.

Yes some are so ridiculous that if you ask them a question or disagree with them they automatically start condemning you, Jesus never condemned anyone for asking questions, he simply answered. Those who don't answer are those you question as supposed "men of God" that's when you can properly discern those who are of God and those who are ridiculing him.

But I can assure you that it is not enough reason for you to abandon your belief.

What will you do next, abandon your principles because someone ridicules them? Does that even make sense to you?

Avoid the over-zealous so called preachers, keep in mind that the devil works through people, and he may have been working through them, and for letting them get to you, you let the devil win.

Not all pastors are that way. You just may be going to the wrong place for guidance in God.

what's happening lady, are you travelling or something?

Hello, how r u?

No I'm not travelling, I just have so much to do with school, and I'm putting a lot of focus into finding a Job for after graduation.

Please offer up my intentions.

@Huxley

In response to your question.

Here is an answer from you.

Matthew 19:3-9

3 Some Pharisees approached him, and tested him saying "Is it unlawful for any man to divorce his wife for any cause whatever?"
3 He said to them in reply, "Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female'
5 and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'?
6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, no human being must separate."
7 They said to him, "Then why did Moses command that the man give the woman a bill of divorce and dismiss her?"
8 He said to them, "Because of the hardness of your hearts Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
9 I say to you whoever, divorces his wife, unless the marriage is unlawful and marries another commits adultery.

So originally it was not meant to be that men and women divorce, There wasn't One Adam to plenty of Eves he could choose from, and then when it didn't work out with the first Eve, move on to the next. There was only one Eve, that is the first marriage and God created them to be together and not to try and see if it would work out.

Marriage is not a joke, if you don't think you will be able to handle a marriage then don't get married. Marriage is slowly and surely becoming shacking up, then what's the point of the nuptials?

To understand the above, you have to understand the purpose of Jesus Christ. He came to set things aright. To the way it was supposed to be.
Man and God had a friendship in the beginning until sin came and caused a separation between man and God. Jesus has made it easy for us to reconcile ourselves to God.
He turned man's thinking upside down, that is why he says the first shall be last and the last shall be first. In his Kingdom there is no superiority, there is no big man n campus, we are all equals.

Divorced was never the plan from the beginning, but because man is extremely stubborn and we want things our way it was permitted, until the faithful time when Christ came and turned it all around and set everything on the course it was supposed to be anyway.

The flesh part is also very significant, to make it simple and in lay ma's terms, the spouse is now a part of you, you cannot divorce yourselves.
When people start viewing their spouse as part of them, they will begin to understand marriage and how it's supposed to work.
You are to love yourself and never hurt yourself. Now that your spouse is a part of you, you are not to hurt him/her but to love them.

I hope that helps.

Oh yeah uncleanness is when the woman has had 'partners'

P:S: While you are at it, see the rubbish posts pilgrim is posting about catholics in respect of apparitions and images. It is all meant to ridicule and make fun of catholics. Are we still supposed to ignore this evil woman or counter these evil assumptions towards the church?

I will give you the same advice a priest gave me, pray for them. Offer it up to God. Show them love. Be like Christ. I too have made the mistake of letting them get to me and I am not usually the one to get affected by such discussions.

Now all I do is pray for them. So pray for them.

This is nothing new, and I know it hurts but the best thing to do is pray and love them anyway. Do not become like them, don't let hatred and anger consume you that you forget to be Christ to them. Be like Christ.

Well guys, I may be missing for a while, I will try my best to pop in and say hello. SOOOO HELLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Glory to Jesus, Honour to Mary.

PRAY for the PRIEST ON MISSIONARY JOURNEY AND THOSE BEIN PERSECUTED

All please take note on the above, they really do need our prayer now more than ever.

Hi Graxie, welcome.

Hey everyone, I guess we are all busy.
I too am busy, I try to come in here to relax a bit, there's nothing more relaxing thana debate, lol, I know it's strange.

Tribalist, you are very welcome, stay true to your faith, you know who is God, don't let the devil mislead you. I completely understand you, I have encountered the people you have named, they ask and ask and ask, but when questions are asked of them they don't have an answer, that's how you know those who are truthful and those who are deceitful. It's unfortunate that people get led away from the church because of people who don't even know the BIble they quote from. I was very saddened the other day, but my friend told me that those people never knew the faith. If they did, they wouldn't have left.

I went to a catechist conference, that's right I'm a catechist, and still learning. The Speaker there is a said that those who encounter Jesus and know him will never deny him, those who encountered him but didn't know him will deny him. That did it for me.
But our most powerful weapon against the devil is prayer, and yes the rosary is one of the greatesr prayer of the faithful.

I was speaking to some people that are converting to Catholicism from the "Bible belt" of the U.S. and after speaking to them, I realise that there are two main reasons these people convert.

1) They read the Church Fathers' writings
2) They prayed to Mary, especially the rosary.

It's amazing huh. Immediately Our Lord listens to his Mother and grants us many graces.
I will never stop loving her.

I love you all. Jesus loves you, Mary loves you.

Glory to Jesus
Honour to Mary.

I ask again, on what grounds should I believe the following:

You do not have to believe. I'm sorry if people are harrassing you saying you must believe, but that isn't true. You don't have to believe.

That doesn't mean you have to get the rest of us to unbelieve. Do you have a political reason to get everyone to believe your way so that they can vote your way?

Seriously would it kill you to leave us alone or is something haunting you at night that won't let you rest?

If you feel you don't have a grounds to believe then don't. We feel we do have grounds to believe so we do. Case closed keep it moving and stop harrasing us.

I need an answer to this too,
For those claiming that only the Christians are going to heaven.

I don't know why so called Christians make claims like that as if they are deciding for God who will and won't enter into heaven.

It is not up to us to decide, it is up to God. He gives graces and it is not ours to give but his. So I too am sickened when I hear things like this, and then some bloke comes here and tries to justify it through scripture.

It is a case of superiority in Christiandom, and it is very unChrist like.

I believe in Christ so I'm going to heaven. You don't believe in Christ so you're not going to heaven. Stupid and ridiculous claims, it is not theirs to give.

They cling to their Bibles and scream I believe in Christ, yet they're the ones quick to turn around and judge others. It is one thing to believe in Christ it is another thing to act upon that faith. Living like Christ is different from believing in Christ.
Some people will do well to take note.

We've been through this many times, i stand to be corrected but the "rest" spoken off in Hebrews 4 has absolutely NOTHING to do with a sabbath day.
Rather than belabour the subject, here are a few teachings on this same issue . . .

I'm sorry but I actually thought that the seventh day is sabbath day. But hey you know the Bible may be wrong there ehn.

And this verse speaks of the seventh day, and how we are now in that rest. No be so.

If it has nothing to do with the sabbath day, would you mind telling us what it had to do with?

False. you might want to go back and check that thread again. Your "virtues" that you talked about were based on Mary and the annunciation and the stuff and nonsense (aka virtues) you said we could learn from them

So love isn't a virtue, Obedience isn't a virtue, faith isn't a virtue, hope isn't a virtue, charity isn't a virtue, well i guess I was wrong, you still haven't learned.

The christian virtues that the early apostles speak of in the epistles are gifts of the Spirit. You don't earn them by meditating with a rosary

My guy there are gifts of the Spirit and then there are christian virtues. I am also glad that you say that learning the virtues are based on Mary and that they are nonsense. So I will take it that faith, charity, obedience, love of God, patience is all nonsense. And um a virtue isn't earned, so don't let your hatred misguide you to lie. A virtue is learned. And we have a lot to learn from Mary and Yes Jesus seeing that it is their lives that are meditated on in the rosary.

You can claim whatever you want, the truth still remains the same. Sorry, but you will pass away and the Church won't. It's been standing for 2000 years, so if you want, you can bang your head and click your red heels and wish and wish and wish, the Church is going no where. Sorry but IT WON'T!!!

Most times in your haste to force yourself to disagree with David you seem to also read wrong motives to my post.
Now one quick question - reread that line you quoted and please show me where i made the claim that everyone who died before 2008 would be judged by the standards of 2008?

And in your quest to disprove me, you completely go beyond reasoning. I never stated that you stated that God will judge based on 2008. I am laying an analysis, and asking you to reason with me. If you disagree state so and show with your own analysis.

Ridiculous ranting of pointing fault is very childish.

Please note that I am not the only one who saw the fault in your statement.

Check tribalists post above. He is very direct with the point and I agree with him. Maybe I should have been more direct.

Back to my point to Huxley, maybe i shld not have used the term "no one" and will thus replace it with "almost all".

LOLOLOL, _{sometimes it isn't wrong to acknowledge your shortcomings}

The sabbath law, just like the circumcision DOES NOT APPLY TO THE GENTILE CHRISTIAN and thus the 4th commandment is of no use to us! That is my stance and i stand by it . . . i repeat, its a shame that you now resort to lies. If you must please do post links as evidence.
If you think the sabbath is applicable to the modern day christian you'D be better off showing us scripture rather than crying like a hurting child.

Lol, ok so if the 10 commandments is not applicable, then doesn't that mean that there are no 10 commandments? Or are the gentiles only to follow 9 commandments?

But since you requested it, here it is: Hebres 4

1 Let us fear therefore lest the promise being left of entering into his rest, any of you should be thought to be wanting.
2 For unto us also it hath been declared, in like manner as unto them. But the word of hearing did not profit them, not being mixed with faith of those things they heard.
3 For we, who have believed, shall enter into rest; as he said: As I have sworn in my wrath; If they shall enter into my rest; and this indeed when the works from the foundation of the world were finished.
4 For in a certain place he spoke of the seventh day thus: And God rested the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again: If they shall enter into my rest.

6 Seeing then it remaineth that some are to enter into it, and they, to whom it was first preached, did not enter because of unbelief:
7 Again he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, Today, after so long a time, as it is above said: Today if you shall hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, he would never have afterwards spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a day of rest for the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, the same also hath rested from his works, [color=#990000]as God did from his[/color].

It's not rocket science sir. Either you know or you don't. Anyway, I don't wish to turn this into another david vs. ~Lady~. You have been schooled many times and even by the scripture you love much.
Like I said to you before BREATHE!!! LIFE IS NOT THAT HARD!!!

We are not speaking "logic" here.

I'm sorry, but maybe I missed the memo, but did Huxley become a Christian?

About christian virtues . . . 2 Cor 13 is one such example. They are fruits of salvation and not things you "meditate on" with a rosary. If you have a second oppinion post your biblical source. Enough of this senseless charade of lies and disgusting half truths

It's seriously funny, how everytime you try to say I am lying, you quote the exact same one as I did for you.

To be entirely honest no one has an excuse or can claim they've never heard about Jesus. Its laughable to imagine someone like Huxley is planning to use that defence

Ok not to stir up anything but, i just want to disagree a bit and throw this in there for thought.

Christianity did not start existing in our age. It existed for 2000 years, and during that time people all around the world were dying even before they knew or heard of the name Jesus.

Now seeing that God is not relative to time, I doubt he would say that in 2008 there was technology and everyone had heard of Jesus so those of you who died before 2008 should also be judged in light on 2008.

Now even though we are in 2008, there are those who do not or have heard of Jesus. I believe there tribes deep in the amazon forests and all aorund the world that missionaries have not traveled to, or may not know exist.

So my point? Don't assume things, and don't look at things from the angle of "it's 2008" everyone should have heard of Jesus by now. God won't be thinking "it's 2008 everyone should have heard of Jesus by now"

Let's challenge ourselves to be broad in thinking.

Lol, you're a wonderful interpreter! Where did they accuse Jesus of worshipping demons? And which one of the Catholic definition did you find there among dulia, hyperdulia, and latria?

Lol, you may not understand that when someone says that it is through the prince of demons that you cast out demons it means you are in cohorts demons, and if it is by the power of the prince then the prince is the one being worshipped.

In other words, if they accused Jesus of such (worshipping demons), does that mean the Catholic Church does the same?

Lol, nice try. It means as Jesus was accused so are we. Accusing does not mean that the accusation is true. Unless you're trying to say that Jesus worshipped demons.

@lady
Body dey inside cloth learning everyday from you guys I could not do it without you all

awww I'm touched really, i am.

Sorry ma'am, for as long as you go around with your poisoned chalice of false doctrine i will continue to expose you. Carry on lying as that seems to be ur only desperate trump card.

Hey wait a minute you borrowed my line. I told you that as long as you galavant around on nairaland spreading false truths, I wouldn't let you rest. I remember now, you were so frustrated that I wouldn't give you space to lie, and you tried to get me to stop, and I told you that.

Hahaha, you are learning. First you learned about Christian virtues, then you learn this, and well you've finally said that there are 10 commandments, I am proud of you for not still thinking that Jesus nullified the sabbath law, or do you still believe that?

From a christian point of view this is frankly rubbish. Hebrews 11:1 clearly defines what faith is . . . it is NOT mere "belief" in anything.

Sorry ma'am, for as long as you go around with your poisoned chalice of false doctrine i will continue to expose you. Carry on lying as that seems to be ur only desperate trump card.

From a logical point of view, faith is to believe. Christian faith is something else, but I wasn't talking to a Christian now was I?

Lol @ expose. You should hold night vigil too o. Infact shamahdhadhahdha too, that would help. Lol

It's alright, ~Lady~. . . I've been worse than that the way I've addressed others at times. So I can understand.

Blessings

Blessings to you too. Sometimes I try to get a rise out of david, and it works everytime. I try to tell him life is not that hard.

That was not reasonable, to say the least. This type of attitude is a sad occurence among many who assume they know too much about other people. My observations.

You know what you are right, therefore I apologise to Davidylan.
But I was stating my own personal opinion, that's not to say that others don't think he should be a pastor.

Again my personal opinion and it still stands.

my dear do me some huge favours . . .
- Stop lying, there are 10 commandments period! However the commandment on observing the sabbath is a STRICTLY JEWISH LAW THAT IS NOT BINDING ON THE GENTILE CHRISTIANS. If you spent as much time studying the scriptures as you spend maligning my name wherever you see it, brother Paul's teachings on this should be sufficient.

- Again STOP LYING . . . i know what christian virtues are, they are gifts of the Spirit not things that catholics "meditate on" using rosaries. Get your facts right!

- It seems you have so much hate inside you, do yourself a favour . . . hate and malice (which you so gleefully show on threads that involve me) are not attributes of one who prides herself on being a christian.

- Whether i am a christian or not should not be an issue that shld concern you, if i were you i'D be more worried at how precious little you know about the very bible you claim your "church" owns.

Spend time thinking about yourself, going around like a hurting child seeking to pull David down at every post isnt helping you.

Hmm I see someone caught amnesia. I believe your stance was that the sabbath law was nullified. Does that ring a bell now?

I know, I know, you're embarassed for what you said. It is understandable we all make mistakes.

May the Lord enlighten our minds so that we may productively govern our nation.
May the Lord help us to show love to our neighbours and ourselves as this is the pathwy to truly governing productively.
May the Lord help us to discern what is right for us and what is wrong for us.
May the Lord help us to show respect to each other irregardless of our differences.

Ye right! Like bowing down to graven images and using the bronze serpent as his excuse? Or by giving the hyperdulia worship to Mary? I don't know where He was accused of doing the same as the Catholic Church in these matters.

Matthew 9:34

But the Pharisees said, "It is by the prince of demons that he drives out demons"

Ma'am you may have forgotten that Jesus was accused of worshipping demons. But the above verse is a reminder.

What verse in that scripture authorizes the church to be the interpreter of the words of Christ?

mOh I don't know maybe the pillar and foundation of truth part.