₦airaland Forum

Odunnu:
so we have 4 geopolitical zones? You must be referring to Athens

but seriously, I hope this does not turn out like the LightUpNigeria Protest, cos i have not seen any effect for all my efforts and money spent going to ABJ. A protest is good nonetheless, but do you think the timing is right, I don't want Boko Haramists to join in the march and blow-up anything ooh

What about the Information Awarness - is it on Nairaland or Facebook
What is the Goal exactly, what are the objectives - getting Legal permission is all well and good but how do we use this dagger to good effect?

You must communicate and get volunteer buy-in, we must buy-in to this idea

thehomer:
Actually, that story is satire.

It has its uses nonetheless

@OP there are some necessary ingredients necessary for a revolution to happen whether it is Social, Civil, Political, Technological, Religious and otherwise.

Timing

All things entail rising and falling timing. You must be able to discern this.

Miyamoto Musashi 

Every Idea has its time. There is no greater fuel to stoke the fires of Revolution than an Idea whose time has come. When are the best times to start a Revolution? Do not mistake timing in terms of calendar periods or when a pregnancy is due for delivery. Many argue and agree that Nigeria is ripe for a revolution. "Why has it not happened" I ask. One needs to approach the issue of timing like an Army decides when is the best time to strike its Enemy forces. A Revolution is best delivered when the target is at its most vulnerable state, when it cannot rally opinion and strengthen alliances that can create divisions equal to the task of crushing the revolutionaries. We must be able to interpret the times to know when to strike.
Sometimes the Timing is just right but requires another element: A Catalyst

A Revolution needs a Catalyst

"When the Winds of Change Blow Hard Enough, The Most Trivial of Things can turn into Deadly Projectiles."

http://www.despair.com/changewinds.html

A Catalyst in Chemistry is defined as "A substance that increases the rate of a chemical reaction without itself undergoing any permanent chemical change" or "A person or thing that precipitates an event" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/catalyst

The catalyst for the Russian 1905 'revolution' was Bloody Sunday. A peaceful protest that turned horribly fatal when Military fired on protesters (men, women and children) who asked only for bread and better living conditions.

The Egyptian revolution of January 25th, 2011 attested that communication technology can jump from virtual reality to real life. The revolution proved that the power of social networks such as Facebook and Twitter can force an established dictatorship to step down and end three decades of Mubarak’s regime.

In Tunisia, what began as the desperate act of a frustrated, humiliated young man in mid-December has now sent shock waves throughout the Arab world.

"I am traveling, mother; blame is pointless. I am lost on a road not of our making. Forgive me for disobeying you. Blame the times, not me. I am leaving, and there is no return" were the final words written in a short note by Mohammed Bouazizi, an unemployed university graduate,who had been denied a permit to run a small fruit and vegetable stall. He set fire to himself - an act of defiance that sparked demonstrations and rioting throughout the country and eventually brought down the dictatorship of Tunisian President Ben Ali, on January 14th.

Today, Bouazizi is a hero, not just to his nation, but to millions of Arabs were prepared to use the tragedy of his life and death as a catalyst for change. The revolution in Tunisia was not motivated by ideology or religion, nor was it pro or anti-democracy. Its only catalyst seems to have been the desire of millions of Tunisians for social justice, dignity, the right to work, and to live free of fear and poverty.

We need to ask ourselves (Nigerians) What is our Catalyst? is it Injustice, Poverty, Corruption, Ethnic/Religious Violence? what can turn 150 million Nigerians into a Wind of Change  If we cannot find our catalyst then a Revolution even in the Mind is as harmless as Gun-powder safely stored in a keg. A Keg of Gun-powder will not explode unless under certain environmental conditions. this brings me to my third ingredient. A Condition

A Revolution needs Necessary Conditions
History has shown that powerful revolutions have come about due to conditions that necessitate large-scale change. As i stated earlier, if your revolution is only in your mind, then it is as harmless as Gun-powder safely stored in a keg. The secret to this particular (most important) ingredient has puzzled me for months because similar conditions of Poverty, Injustice, Crime, Insecurity, Ethnic/Religious violence, Corruption etc have on their own sparked powerful revolutions in other parts of the world, Why is Nigeria's case different? 

It seems the World's No1 Happiest People on Earth are either too happy about their dire condition to give a damn about any sort of Revolution or there is something missing in their psyche. it is nor Fear or Cowardice or Laziness as many people including Abami Eda - Fela (Of Blessed Memory) have put forward. No.What is missing is The Spirit of Nationhood This is a Fact many Nigerians deny in the face of increasingly obvious and unclothed evidence from Ethic, Religious and Political Proportions, We are not united as one Nation under One Ideal. The only time i see a United Nigeria is when we play Football at the World Cup  Outside that, The Fulani's snub the Hausa's, The Hausas ridicule the Yorubas, The Igbo's distrust everyone since the Civil War and the Niger-Deltans feel cheated by all of the above. Even if all likely conditions of a revolution exists in present-day Nigeria, you still need that Unifying Glue to bind us all into one Coherent Force of Change.

Spirit of Nationhood
A Nation is not neccesarily a physical geographical estate. it is a unifying spirit of oneness - Palestine is a Nation without a sovereign state - it is expressed in the spirit of its people. When I look at their situation I feel I have unlocked the key to Nigeria's mystery - Nigerian Disunity is a Myth It is a powerful myth built by our founding Fathers since independence in 1960 and faithfully propagated over 5 decades. It is a myth so powerful that when women and children are hacked with machetes in their sleep, nothing happens. when Jega spends nearly N70 billion on electoral equipment and biometrics (that in advanced nations signal electronic voting processes) for manual voting -nobody as much as challenges him, when a sitting president cannot account for $16 billion dollars spent on a phantom power project - everybody watches like clueless r.etards, when the police are unable to solve crimes that threaten our national security, people just laugh and carry on with their lives there are so many examples of how we have become so detached from our Nation Nigeria because we feel we are only Nigerians as the label indicates not a people.

The Myth of Nigerian Disunity needs to be destroyed because it is what is keeping corrupt leaders in power and building a generation of youths who will continue to faithfully propagate the myth. That cycle needs to be broken with Political Awareness Our leaders use us as launch-pads to achieve their selfish political ends - when done, they abandon the mandate for which they were elected for in the first place, they become tyrants to the very people who gave them freedom.

bestads:
Why is it that all these heads of agboro(NURTW) in Ibadan are moslems, Lateef,Mukaila,Lamidi, Why can't the xtians be violent as well

Xtian god lost his balls to muslim god  - muslim gos taking a nasty beating from atheist

It is soo very funny that the Police will publish bounties for persons they deem dangerous criminals when Mukaila walks the streets of Oyo freely and everyone sees him, does the police not know where these guys live. everyone in oyo knows who are they kidding. Nigerian Police with their half-wit ideas. Call in the army and see if they won't surrender themselves willingly - free-of-charge

koastar:
This is serious. What is this world turning into?

You are blissfully unaware that the world has gone to shii.t centuries ago. Homos are here to stay, we watch their movies, wear their clothes, listen to their music and read their poems. they are here (AFRICA) to stay Period.Point.Blank

violent:
something is definitely not clear here, BUYERS BEWARE!!!!!

Elementary my dear Watson

MrBible:
@lagerwhenindoubt
You have not answered my question:
So if you have a friend like Judas Iscariot what would you do, do run away from him or do you allow him to betray you, after which you will then forgive him?

As long as you are asking me and not using moi as a reference point for Jesus behaviour, that is fine.

1: I won't even speak a word to Judas and let him betray me because I have a greater purpose of which his betrayal of me is key
2: I will forgive him definitely for serving his purpose to the end - but will let him face the penalty of suicide


Scratch the above. I will actually Bribe the Sanhedrin to Bribe Judas to betray me

^^^ I see where you are headed but you need to remember where you started

Judas was instrumental to the fulfillment of the prophecy around Jesus Christ. Christ alluded openly that one of his 12 disciples would be his betrayer and practically told Judas that he knew what he was about to do. Stopping him is as good as sabotaging salvation. However Judas repented but decided of his own will to commit Suicide

Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

Jesus did all he could, but Judas had his mind made up

@MrBible - The Bible is crystal clear on the Judas Iscariot debacle

Matthew 26:24: The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born

@yommyuk. i hope as many Christians as there are on Nairaland, read and appreciate this post. Christianity is all about a way of Life. (not a religion of doctrines and dogma to be ceremoniously acted out) Exactly the way of life Jesus Christ lived. it is not to be mistaken for his financial background or educational upbringing but his spiritual life and how he related from that position with all he came in contact with and the lives he touched.

Can you even discuss this topic without any reference to a religion in particular, like we can discuss science without going into details of the soft sciences [/b]versus the hard[b] sciences and their respective differences?

@InesQor. How you can mention God+Science in one breath beats me - I miss your points entirely - no probs. by your statements God+Religion as pertains to this title of your post is not relevant to discussion/answers you seek. You have not wasted my time, it was mine to use in the first place. cheerio

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA link=topic=696093.msg8566953#msg8566953 date=1308735793]No we are not. the philipines, usa, russia n many other countries have a higher christian population.[/quote]You are looking at outdated information - check here for the latest info

http://www.aneki.com/christian.html

Good luck with that, wish she'd stop looking like a tramp all the time

InesQor:
Only in the US will you find such statistics

Nigeria is a good example of Christian-Atheists We have over 40 million Christians as of 2009 and we are 3rd Largest Christian Population in the entire world, you would think for a large number of Christians, God will at least appreciate and go into action answering long sought-after prayers of Good Leadership, Non-Violence and Death to Witches and Wizards, yet we are plagued by all ills. I think Christians should look inwards and truly determine whether they are actually the Salt of the Earth of Lukewarm spit from God's mouth.

Most Atheists are first true Christians which is why they know soo much about religion

I think it demeaning (to GOD) that because he created us in his image, we should ascribe our "Fallen" traits to his Perfect State. things such as blind rage, jealousy of his neighbors (Allah, Buddha, Orisha, Zeus etc) threats and blackmail with fire and brimstone and worse of all, peeking at our private lives without permission. Are humans not tired of simplifying God as an over-bearing Landlord?

Martian:
I have another idea, maybe God lives in the deepest parts of the ocean since we don't really know what's in there.

Atlantis (not God) is the deepest parts of the ocean you meecrob!

@Idehn  at your posts If i were an observer i would suspect double nairaland ID was in use, you explain my thoughts exactly (though rashly)

I am biased for the following reason - Science and Religion are not alike in form, nature or purpose. they "may" have a common origin (yet to be proven by science) but they are not birds of the same feather. but that is just me talking.

InesQor:
It often appears like Atheism begins to stutter whenever there is no particular or generally accepted abstraction or concept of God for Atheists to express their displeasure or misgivings [/b]about, or a peopled religious system that [b]they have qualms with.

Bros InesQor e never reach like this naa, haba. Let us ignore the emotional undertones in each posts as they do not define the argument nor add value to it (it is a human failing we all have to live with) . We must derive purposeful statements from all these and hope it enlightens rather than cause derision. Even the Bible actively encourages scientific endeavors.

InesQor:
Personally I think Science and Religion have intersections, and they are different angles of observation.

Religion in general begins with a conjecture about an original intelligent design by God (a form of design, mandate, origin or the other) and try to figure out how we got here in the present; Science starts from where we are or what we have right now and begin to make conjectures that backtrack to the past in order to discover and utilize origins. Some aspects of religion and science as well do vice-versa.

That was my point.

Evil Brain, I am a graduate Engineer and I know all you are saying here.  I personally and professionally know that research is ongoing in this field. The only point I am making is that science relies on Faith too!! Sometimes you don't have all the evidence. Why the double face, then? Why is it that when religion makes a claim or a belief, once there is no immediate evidence it is discarded?

Personally I think Science and Religion have intersections, and they are different angles of observation.

I hope my point is made. If it's not clear, I may return to explain further.

@vescucci: Unfortunately I don't think this thread is designed to live long. Thanks for stopping by. . .

I am a bit lost on that but i shall attempt to find my way. what I understand from the above is an attempt to equate Science and Religion based common similarities. i.e Intelligent Design seeks to redefine science in a fundamental way that would invoke supernatural explanations but deliberately avoids specifying the nature or identity of the intelligent designer. The scientific community rejects the extension of science to include supernatural explanations in favor of continued acceptance of methodological naturalism as there are conceptual and factual flaws in its approach. IMHO Science is two parts, Methods and Inferences.I noticed your use of the word conjecture. It demeans science as much as the word superstition demeans religion. conjecture is an inference from defective or presumptive evidence i.e a conclusion deduced by surmise or guesswork. An Inference is a process of deriving logical conclusions from premises known or assumed to be true. The conclusion drawn is also called an inference. Conjectures are as useful as gossip is to the deaf. only bad science and self-fish religion put it to good use  
Accepted there are several evidence in various Religious texts that indicate knowledge of Fundamental Scientific laws even before the age of contemporary/modern science. It is not necessarily Supernatural - i narrow it down to scientific thought nothing more.

InesQor:
Science keeps exploring new frontiers, new dimensions. YET they believe that every point in time, they have already explored the dimension in which God exists (so to speak) and found him missing? That's dishonest, gross hypocrisy to me.

I think it's the religious stories that people have heard, that make them think they know anything about God, or that he does not exist.

To prove my point: Look at all the replies above. None of the respondents dealt with the topic of "God", they all deviated into "Jesus this", "Allah", "Hell", "superstition". Na wa for all of una o.

    It is a common human malaise known as sentiments - a ruse of emotions that do not add value to facts. Science is all about discovery, in 2 centuries Science has barely scratched the surface of the unknown that religion claims to have created in 7 days. of course there is that exploratory possibility that if such a condition exists (BIG BAN.G theory)and its origin is widely known as God to Religion(ists) perhaps this "GOD" can be conceptualized, observed, hypothesized then theorized to explain the unknown. there is nothing wrong with that, it does not however mean that Science intersects Religion. (IMHO) Perhaps Science attempts to explain parts of Religion by doing this, but can Religion explain Science? not a trick question

Let me humbly attempt to deal with the topic of GOD by asking you a question I hope does not derail this thread further. WHAT IS GOD?
The purpose of my question is to seek a definition of GOD that puts HIM outside the realm of Religion. one that infers on HIS characteristics thus allowing for observation.

@vescucci: this thread may be designed for quick-death by misogyny     Science=Man Religion=Woman. forgive my lack of gender ethics but please keep an eye on this in your spare time.

For the purpose of clarification, I am neither Atheist nor Pro-Religion so do not let this affect your analysis

samtoye:
Good topic!!!! List of Dubious stations are 1, Mobil Station, 2, Mobil Station, 3, Mobil Station, in fact avoid all Mobil station and i can say it to the face of their CEO with hard evidences!!!!!!! they are criminals!!!!!!! Capital Oil is a good station, the one along Lagos-Berger-Ibadan expressway near Otedola Estate. Also avoid being distracted when buying fuel, all sorts of gimmicks are used, lubricants sales, casual talks, girls unusual smiles, weird jokes etc.

Aarrgh Mobile Surulere at Off Brown Road has this bootylicious orange seller who tries to sell oranges to me while i am the meter is running.

Avoid Texaco Secretariat Ikoyi/Obalende axis
Avoid Texaco Awolowo Road. Okotie Eboh junction
Avoid Conoil Adetola Street Junction Aguda Surulere

I have been shafted too many times to believe it is pump calibration or air in the fuel storage tanks . If you are in doubt, A trial will convince you

JeSoul:
Awww . . . somebody's feewings were hothurt by being left off the list of crookedest richest pasitoros. Eya, nor vex ehn.

Abeg another blogger should come out with an updated list . . . and please make sure not leave off this billilolonaire, we wouldn't anyone anywhere mistaking him for humble & modest man.

JeSoul Do not Touch (My) anointed. I have listened to Pastor Paul back in my early days as a hustler and I am proud to say his Motivational speeches preaching really got me gingered-up to knuckle-down and get on with Life. I think he is being honest when he says he is a motivational speaker, most Men Of God are not that honest?

Freshland Forest serve an interesting opportunity to own a piece of land in - OGUN STATE.

Unless they have finally had their request for CofO approved by the Ogun State Government, I 'd seek extra-legal advice putting your hard-earned cash into it. no matter what Freshland says, ALWAYS VERIFY, VERIFY, VERIFY

whiff of Freemasonry to me, but hey. let's give Jo the benefit of the doubt It is a curry 'n pepper topic really

blacksta:
lol - see idiots shouting money cometh now - instead of focusing on hard work or the God given ability

the only person that money is cometh too is the pastor - The rest are fools

what a shame  -   Nobody preaches repentance or returning to your first love  - these days

Na wa for the new age pastors . Where in the bible did Jesus dance on earthly money.   

As far i am concerned - This thing looks demonic

Abeg no yab dem I am all for it as long as it works. I need alternatives and anything from workable to remotely insane is fine by me. Korin dey blow right now. so MONEEEEEEEEEEEEY! MONEEEEEEEEEEEEY! COMETH !! TO ME! NOOOOOOWWWWWWW!! repeat 10 times for effect

Evil Brain:
@lagerwhenindoubt
You may not have much knowledge of physics, but you possess the mind of a true scientist. You would be pleased to know that I have added your name to my "Nairalanders who are not r.etarded" list.

Congratulations

Nice to know, thanks

InesQor:
Ah finally some responses

I will be back. Terribly busy at the mo'.

Bros InesQor, time don go ooh, ha far?

Going

ok, ok, ok, ok

InesQor:
No takers? 

Where are our in-house scientist-atheists? 

[size=4pt]mehn I miss viaro[/size]

Hello InesQor. I think you have tripped over a common misconception in thought I'd like to term classification by definition . It goes like so; when you define anything in terms of taxonomy, (identifiable traits or characteristics) any something that exhibits such traits or demonstrates such characteristics will cause you to automatically classify that something by definition. Two somethings with immediately identifiable similarities are not necessarily the same.  We inevitably come to perform evidential corroboration of facts (or lack thereof) to "know" why they are different.

I never heard of Higgs Boson AKA "God-Particle" (until i saw your post and did some reading) but allow me to classify it as a Black-Hole. How do we know Black-holes exist. no one besides Capt. Jean-Luc Pickard and crew-members of the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-D) availed me the opportunity to see what a Black-hole looks like  You only know it exists due to its comparative effects on its surrounding environment. I am not sure why you posed this question to Atheists in particular but Higgs is like looking for suspicious movement of the tall grass to know if a tiger is hiding in it - thus far the grass ain't moving.    the very nature of inferential science does not mean it does not exist, it does not mean it does either.

Atheists simply ask for proof that it does and a Black-hole inference will suffice. unfortunately God does not yield to examination as the Scientists have found out 
Atheist will only surmise that Religion(ists) have founded their views (beliefs) on pre-suppositions that are products of words, assumptions, mental speculation and composition

@OP God obviously has stopped speaking to Man the way he used to in the past. Man has fallen to such debase levels since Adam, God talking to Man is like a MOG talking to an Muslim Zealot This is why we are the ones doing all the talking (and communicating God's word back and forth). In the old days he will simply watch you for a while and wait for a moment when you are just about taking nap and give you a holla.