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Grandmeister:
You did well in shedding some light but Christ himself referred to the Father as “the one who SENT me”. Yes the spirit of the Father was active in him but his utterances showed that even in the heavenly realms they were seperate entities.

Yes! but HE spoke in that manner because HE wanted to live an example for us. See verses below:

John 13:15 (ESV)
15 For I have given you an example, that you also should do just as I have done to you.

1 Peter 2:21(ESV)
21 For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps.


Another reason why JESUS CHRIST did not reveal Himself braggadoshiously and expressly in the manner you expected to the World was that it was a privilege reserved for those that believed Him and desired to be close to Him; It was a divine revelation to those who GOD had already chosen/foreknew/foreordained. (He said I know my own and my own know me - John 10:14)

At this point, I don't want to get too deep for fear that I may confuse you, but I would say this: Do you know that GOD already knows those that are His? Do you know GOD already knows those that will make it to Heaven? Don't you know that Hell is the only place that was enlarged (Isa 5:14), but Heaven's dimensions are fixed !? (Rev 21:15-17).

See verses to buttress my point below:


Matthew 16:15-17(ESV)
15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
16 Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.


- One thing you should understand is this: The Jews knew what the phrase Son of GOD meant, which was GOD in the Flesh. To say that literally meant to say: JESUS CHRIST is GOD. Their Prophets had already prophesied about this, and they were awaiting Him (GOD in the Flesh), but they didn't believe that that Man was the Christ (CHRIST is another title of GOD which means The anointed One, The Savior). I will show you this in the Subsequent scriptures. See this one below:


John 5:18 (ESV)
18 This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

- They knew what that phrase meant and why it was a taboo to them worth crucifixion.

Yes! you said JESUS CHRIST spoke referring to GOD as though HE was speaking to a different entity, that's true, but only GOD can do this and get away with it; only The ONE that's Omnipresent, can do this and get away with it; only The ONE that's Omnipotent, can do this and get away with it.

The same JESUS CHRIST, asides from the fact HE also said if you've seen Me, you've seen The Father, the same JESUS CHRIST that spoke in that manner of speaking as of a 2nd person/entity, had this to say along with the Prophets and the Apostles. Kindly read as follows;


John 8:58(ESV)
58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

- The last to say this was GOD in Ex 3:14 during the times of Moses.

Now, let's hear the Prophets:

Isaiah 9:6(ESV)
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

- So do we have two Everlasting fathers now !? Do we now have two Mighty gods Now !? I dare anyone to claim such, I will shut their mouths with scriptures.

Now let's see what the Apostles said or how they referred to HIM;

John 11:25-26 (ESV)
5 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, 26 and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

- JESUS CHRIST calling Himself The Resurrection and The Life (Only GOD can say that; only GOD has the power to Kill and to make Alive). Keep traveling with me (scripturally). Be ready to read.


1 John 5:20(ESV)
20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

- Do I need to explain this? It's clear! I repeat: I dare anyone to say there are now TWO gods let me bulldoze him/her with a Tsunami of Scriptures. He/she better not commit blasphemy.


John 20:28(ESV)
28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

- Did Thomas lie !? - Do not forget the Scripture that says: One LORD, One Faith, One Baptism


Ephesians 4:5-6 (ESV)
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

- Still talking about ONE 'Who', One Deity. It didn't say 'which' or 'they'


Colossians 1:15-20 (ESV)
5 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.
17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.
19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell,
20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

- Paul called JESUS CHRIST creator, so how many Creators do we now have !? Describing CHRIST with the same qualities and abilities of GOD, yet we have ONE GOD/ Creator.


Titus 2:13 (ESV)
13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

- Did Apostle Paul lie !?

Now I want to show that CHRIST pre-existed The Body that was begotten even though the scriptures I've quoted already have. Read as follows:


1 Corinthians 10:4 (ESV)
4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.

- referring to GOD - the Spirit that accompanied the Israelites out of slavery from Eygpt.


1 Peter 1:10-11 (ESV)
10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully,
11 inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories.

- How many Spirits do we have !? The Spirit of GOD and the Spirit of CHRIST that were in the Prophets

Finally, let me show where JESUS CHRIST was called the Holy Spirit:

Romans 8:9(ESV)
9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

- Apostle Paul refers to the Spirit of GOD as the Spirit of CHRIST.

I pray my typing did not go to waste today, and I pray GOD increases your wisdom, knowledge, and understanding of the Truth of GOD's Word.
Amen!

Shalom!

Grandmeister:
But I thought that after death judgement follows, no repentance in the grave right?

Grandmeister:
Yea Job knew God. But it was said “no one can come to the Father except through Christ”. What is your understanding of this?

Grandmeister:
It is truth and goodness that will save you (whether you knew about the gospel or you lived and died before the gospel came to your people) man has always had an innate knowledge of what was right and wrong. People like Job lived and died before Christ was born, so is it safe to say Job won’t make heaven because he didn’t profess Christ as his Lord and saviour??

Grandmeister:
It is truth and goodness that will save you (whether you knew about the gospel or you lived and died before the gospel came to your people) man has always had an innate knowledge of what was right and wrong. People like Job lived and died before Christ was born, so is it safe to say Job won’t make heaven because he didn’t profess Christ as his Lord and saviour??

omotoso1989:
I'm 33 now,working and got married before at 27.i lost my job and my wife took a french leave.im now in my parents house.but I could recollect my wife telling me had it been the one that I wanted to do that I did to u,u would have known