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POWEROFPEACE:
That is totally unacceptable. Issues like this should be referred to parents, guardians or family, instead of the teachers beating her like she was an animal. What was that on the pics, well, that is by the way.

Use your Brains please!

those injuries were not cause by CANE.

Cane lines are thinner and in large numbers.
Think about it for a minute.

Or maybe the three Teachers used TWO HOT Irons to cane them, right?



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mufutau55:
You are always a very good comprehensive writer. You covered everything in your write-up. Very true with all you have said.

Hajji M.

Thanks for the complement Oga Hajj M,

We are looking up to you naah.



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Femich18:
They were formally blind and in darkness but now there eyes have been restored and can now see the bright direction we are moving towards.. Welcome home!!!

I think we need to make LAWS that strip any elected officer, who decamps to another party, from the party on whose platform they were elected.

This is POLITICAL PROSTITUTION that does not in anyway, benefit the PUBLIC.

If your party is bad, work towards repairing it.

These Criminals should not be eating their Cake, and still having it.

All the Evils happening in the APC are caused by these wankers who came into the fold of APC
#Saraki-Ole for example.



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Islie:
The Lagos State Police Public Relations Officer, SP Dolapo Badmos, confirmed the incident. She added that the police had commenced investigation into the case.

She said, “The matter was reported to the police on Tuesday. Although the corpses have been buried, the police are still investigating the matter. As the case progresses, we will brief you.”



http://www.punchng.com/man-pregnant-wife-daughter-suffocate-apartment/

You see how Ediotic our Police can be?

Are they not the one that should have been at the forefront of an autopsy?
Should they even have allowed the hte bodies to be buried without an autopsy?

So, what is "Madam Police" going to investigate now?

I bet she would come up with the usual "Rooster and Bull" stories the Police are popular for giving, when they dont have a clue about what happened or even how to find out "What happened".

Foolish Woman.



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reverendfather:
"I used to prepare food in the morning, afternoon and evening for my husband. ``The court should not grant his request for a divorce as I still love him.’’

If this was all she had to say, I guess she is super dumb.


And the man is also super dumb, your wife was fighting with 9 different [size=14pt] men, [/size] and all you could do was take pictures of her and sent it to your in-laws, simply because you got tired of setting the issue. wow

Hmmm..... See Aproko!
Where did you see "MEN" in the fight sentence? You must add your own, to justify your comment, abi?
APROKO nor be work o!

"She fights my friends and relatives anytime they visit me and this has prevented them from coming to my house,’’ said the estranged husband, who pleaded with the court to dissolve the marriage. Racheal, however, denied all the allegations, saying: "I used to prepare food in the morning, afternoon and evening for my husband. ``The court should not grant his request for a divorce as I still love him.’’

I still wonder if some women know the meaning of LOVE..... when they ask the court not to dissolve a very acrimonious marriage, in the name of "I still Love him"?

How can you claim you still love him, when you fight him everyday?
How can you claim you love him and the marriage has broken down to the point of filling for divorce in a court?
How can you claim you love him and you dont listen to him within the house and he is so unhappy with you?
How can you claim you still love him yet, you cant settle the matter within yourselves, before the next court sitting?


- I think such women just want the marriage to be a BURDEN onto the man, for the rest of his life.
- Such women want the man to be miserable for the rest of his life while they taunt him and say: "I will not divorce you, you will suffer under me till you die"
- Such women are just waiting for the man to die so they can inherit his wealth (some will even hasten his death).... while claiming 'l still love him'.


But it is good that the Judge was not fooled.
Now that the marriage is dissolved, if you still love him and he still loves you, both of you can go and re-marry again! There is no law against that!



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Amelian:
Sunmbo boys looks so fresh and handsome , as well as annies girls
Its very clear sunmbo's pastor husband is doing a good job taking care of tuface boys as his own.. Sunbo head dey there... Better move on, when a good offer comes up than wasting time.waiting hopelessly on player... God bless her husband.

Then Pero? Sighs.... Tuface pls i take God beg you, if u are reading this .. Try send upkeeep allowance to Pero.. pero kids for u looks hungry and alone.. Doesnt speak well about yur image.. Remember they are yur splitting image.. Just try yur best as a responsible father , thats all.

Annie, whether u like it or not ? U knew what u were getting into, but u still went ahead to marry father of all nations.. How many baby mamas of tuface will u fight and insult? How long will u have sleepless nights ,keeping tabs on him.. Like it works, abi?
Just accept the destiny u created for yourself and allow those innocent kids.enjoy their father..

Like kilode, sef

I respect your comments so much!

But the highlighted part, needs further comments.

You see, children "looking good" is 60% a function of "effort and time" on the part of their "guardian" (who may be or may not be their biological parent/s) and 40% MONEY!.

Some women just don tknow how to look after their children, they cant spare the time and effort required, feed them unbalanced and wrong food (I know one that is rich but feeds her children Burger and Pizzas, 90% of the time! ) which affects their health and outlook.

Though, l support the fact that 2face needs to act responsibly towards his children and his "House wife" should grow-up and stop acting like a Witch! After-all, she knew the man had other kids from other women, before she married him.
Every Child has a LEGAL RIGHT to the love and company of their TWO Parents, irrespective of which woman is currently "playing house-wife"



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shiki:
My brother you try.

Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth and subdue it.

2Baba acting according to Scriptures

It is people like 2Face that disgrace the African tradition of Polygamy and the Scriptural injunction to "multiply".

People like him (2face) give ammunition to those who wanna condemn polygamy.

While l find nothing wrong in him having more than one wife (they all offered to marry him willingly), l find it reprehensible that he, as a MAN is not STRONG and INTELLIGENT ENOUGH to DEAL WITH ALL OF THEM IN FAIRNESS.

How would you not create the "famous' hatred between children and mothers, in a polygamous set-up, if you, the father cannot be "fair and just" to all those involved?

How will those three children that you cast-away their mother, (without nay fighting o!) in future?

How would their mother feel, that the one you chose (small wife, as we say) is the only one you officially wedded, thereby giving her an undue advantage, (in the legal framework) over the other wives?

These are some of the acts that cause that hatred and rivalry you see in the polygamous set-up: MEN THAT ARE STEWPID AND A WEAKLING!

If you chose to be polygamous,
*then you must ensure you can afford it (which he can) and take good care of all your wives and children so that there would be no "lack" causing unhealthy competition!

*You must ensure EQUITY and JUSTICE in dealing with household squabbles amongst your wives and children. it's like how God deals with all his children (we humans), imagine if God was as partial as this 2face?

*You must be smart enough to know that women are full of "intrigues and games" and they can lead a man over the Cliff, for selfish reasons.

*You must make yourself accessible to all your children, on equal terms.... so that they dont see themselves as rivals fighting for your attention and resources.
*You must let the children see that 'though you have more than one Mummy", you love all the Mummies! This gives a sense of security to the Children and makes them grow healthily amongst themselves.

I am monogamous (I will be polygamous if l have seen the need for it) but l think Monogamy is not a bad idea if people like @2Face will STOP denigrating the ideals behind it.

If you want to be Polygamous or Monogamous, so be it but please dont be Polygamous and start acting like you are Monogamous.
Its breeds hatred and people like 2Face needs to be castrated ASAP, for the danger they expose women and children to.



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msogunro:
Thank you for your very thorough response.

if you are really serious and you want to do it, YOU CAN DO IT....
l can offer "suggestions" which you can read and reject as you feel.

1.) You have to do like TWO Block moulds, to "standard size", for yourself

2.) Get good, stable land. It will enhance your work and reduce your overall cost

3.) Mould your Blocks yourself and use standard quantities of materials (Cement, water and Dust preferably, for strength).
The above three will ensure straight and smooth build that wont need corrections all over the place

4.) Get your Architect and Structural Engineers to give you very detailed drawings..... very explanatory notes along with it.

5.) Get a good Builder (and Artisans) - not ones that would build "lubbish" and then turn around to blame you for their mistakes or ones that are only good at "packaging" internet pictures!
These Builders must be willing to follow "directions to the letter", which means they must be naturally intelligent and hardworking.
Dont forget to be ready to pay them "a good wage/price" so that "rush-rush" wont be their worry or interest.

6.) Get your workers Standard "tools of work" (like Cement mixers, Gauges, Laser Plum and Measures, e.t.c). The idea is that these tools make their work easier and accurate while allowing them to focus on other "details".
I am thinking you want to go/enjoy the "DIY experience", with support from your Builder?

7.) Dont be in a hurry to finish to a deadline.
Work in the Dry season so that RAIN does not wash away your work!
Naija rains are now very wicked, just like the sun. Sun go pepper you for head, rain will now come and blow winds and rain down buckets within a few minutes!
You will need Water-proof paints/cement at some stage of the project

8.) involve your Engineers and Architect at every step of the way.

9.) Start with a small project, like a bungalow, so you can use the experience gained in a bigger-build in the future.

Now, GO FOR IT, when you are ready!



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msogunro:
Not the answer I was hoping for, but if it is just the way the blocks are set I believe there is a solution.

We're considering buying concrete block spacers. 3k -4K spacers can be purchased inexpensively.

Of course, the exposed blocks will be treated and the painted walls will get a layer of the appropriate primer.

I dont think it is impossible!
NOTHING is IMPOSSIBLE, .....its just a matter of intelligence, commitment and dedication to being focused on your target.

There is this thing l bought at a Store in the UK some years back that literally controls how you put the mortar-mix and the blocks on it, in a sort of semi-automated manner (I had never even bring myself to use it because the one l bought were for smaller red Bricks, not our standard 9" blocks ). With such tool, setting blocks becomes so accurate, neat and fast that anyone can do it.

Another consideration is that most of those Blocks you see set like that, are NOT Hollow Blocks. They are solid blocks, which makes setting them easier and more predictable.

Other considerations are the COST, TIME & PATIENCE required to do such neat jobs.

I had watched an Estate been built in the US state of Maryland, some years back and l was like "This white people sef, how long will it take you to build this Fence that Baba Lati will build in just one day? The guys were so "precise and deliberate" in every detail they do.
It took time but the outcome was "wow"! A master-piece!

Now, over there, work is charged by the hour.
How many of us in Nigeria, are ready to pay our Engineers/Builders/Artisans are standard rate, to do such work at the "required pace" that can produce such master-pieces?

talk is cheap but l know when it comes to shelling out money, the way we all bargain and haggle here is enough to give me an indication of what the answer will be!

According to Chekitaut,

GOOD and CHEAP => wont be FAST
FAST and GOOD => wont be CHEAP
CHEAP and FAST => wont be GOOD

But me, l like it Good, Fast and at a "reasonably-priced" (not necessarily Cheap, but sensible price) ... which only one person has given me.



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mufutau55:
Agreed with you Boss. If you compare the blocks here in USA to that of Naija, you go laugh. The quality is totally different like day and night.
We want to cut corners in everything.

Hajji M.

Oga Hajj, dont even go as far as the US!


Just compare Blocks made by the owner/user within lagos, with a "for sale", commercially made one!
From being very thin (thickness), to being under-sized (wideness), to too much sand and even poor quality sand.... e tire me sef!

Even wood is cut to substandard size!
When Engineers and Architect recommend you use a 2x3 sized wood, you go to the sawmill to buy it and what they sell for you as 2x3 is actually 1.5 x 2.5!

if you query it, they have "ready-made" excuses like: this China machines are not designed to produce 2x3!; It is only Japan machine that still does that size! It is caused by NEPA vibration which makes the machine to lose setting!

Same with Aluminium Roofing sheets: Give me 0.55mm and when l measure it, it is reading 0.47mm!
Oga why now?
It is the machine, it sis China, e.t.c

I ask: So Machine is now the one "setting and controlling" itself?

Even "measures" used in selling food in small quantities are not left out!
What about Petrol Pumps that sell "air" into your fuel tank or using Meters that have been tweaked to slow down?

In Nigeria, everything, almost everything is now substandard.
Cheaters and criminals everywhere, ripping innocent people-off with substandard, adulterated and fake goods.

At times, l think we need a military regime to put things on track in this country..... Not IBB-type o!f Military regime though.



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PrinxArthur1:
See fine girl just die y don't this motor just go jam atleast 10 fulani herdsmen

You be badt persin!

To the dead lady, may the lord comfort those you left behind.

Rest in "Peace Mass Transit".



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KolaShangOne:
It's more burdensome to use 2x2 for fascia. What you gain in cost, you lose in labour charges. Besides, 2x2 are not hardwood per say. They are malleable wood and not as heavy as the hard woods. They are suspended from the tie beams using little 1foot struts so we don't need them to be heavy.
Bottom line, they warp if exposed for too long.

It's also neater using 1x12 boards and much more easier to maintain and to nail aluminium cladding on.

My request above was not about the Fascia issue.... it is about wood Noggins for the entire roof.

"Hardwoods" that are "comparatively light" in weight, to other hardwoods (in whatever size you cut them to).

Kolashangone: I buy the wood in bulk then cut into desires sizes. This method helps to save cost and also helps to ensure that sizes are accurate.

For example, when you buy a 2x4 already cut wood in the market, its usually 1.5 x 3.5 or 1.8 x 3.8.. I know this trick cos we kinda grew up with it.
But not everyone has time to go through this buying and cutting stress..

I also wanted to ask: Since you sawed your roofing wood yourself (to save cost),did you have to buy a LOG of wood (Tree size), a certain size of wood or what? ....and at what cost.
https://www.nairaland.com/2564740/budget-roofing-finishes-nairalanders-2units


As to the fascia, l am referring to using 2x2 (hardwood) at the EDGES only (where l highlighted in yellow colour).... in place of a continuous flat board.
Truly as you said, it will require more craftmanship-effort (burdensome ) but l am looking at the "weight advantage" if one can surmount the "burden disadvantage".


Thanks you.




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KolaShangOne:
Many people owe. Some never pay again. That's why one has to be careful before doing a job. I also used to do delivery of materials and even start work before any payment just to put clients mind at rest. But they will owe you and won't pay.

Some will owe you for years and will pay you later when the time value of money has reduced so you're at a loss.

I'm sure all the business people here have different stories but we always keep shut

Its just sheer, callous wickedness!

if you dont have money for a project, just postpone it till you are ready!

Well, its all about the same arrogant attitude in the system otherwise, "a business" should be able to sue for breach of contract and claim compensation.



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I asked you about the names of woods that are "hardwood and yet still light in weight", in your post in one of your builds but did not get a reply.
Could you please.
Tnx

Arnoldfish:
But Oga lastpage, the method you brought up wont work for sooo many reasons, with a chalkboard and some chalks i can explain. its a practical thingy that needs sketches. dunno how to do it here

You dont need a chalkboard, just tell us here WHY you think it wont work!

Sketch on paper, snap it with your phone and post it below your comment (if you really think it needs diagrams to explain it to adults like us).

That Chalkboard matter sounds like a good excuse to "mystify everything" to small boys like us!

A lot of things that people have said "it cant work".....has later worked!
They once told us that anything heavier than paper, cannot float in the air! Today, we have Boeing 797 and Concorde Jets floating in the air.

Thanks.



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n3xt:
This I consider as rubbish. Twist of words to make it look like an intelligent discussion.

Okay, we don hear.
Thank you, Engineer Brabus!


My discussion is about 2x2 Wood for Fascia, instead of boards..... it is for "ordinary people" like us who "use our head" and not turn around, to blame every failure on the Client!
Let us have our own discussion ..........

......while you go about doing what you know how to do best: Building "fantastically stable" Houses for your Clients

Nnugo?



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I can bet he will still come back with another round of "You must listen to me" by force..... because l have a headache!

n3xt:
I know you're trying to help and I appreciate that youre trying to save money and reduce weight but it’s actually a simple and easy solution that I need. Not a headache.

Bros to tell you the truth, I can't read all you write. Show me and convince me, dont twist my words.

Don't tell me! Show me examples!!


I'm done since yesterday. I don't need another open academic discussion on narcissit theories. It drains positive energy. As a keyboard warrior, I'll defend it with all my energy because it had no supporting evidence. It's all in the head. A typical me-think solution.

Good luck with those who are with you on this baba.


#NoTo2x2Fascia

Brabus, you are beginning to bite more than you can chew o.

You tend to write a lot of rubbish, for someone trying to avoid a "headache"!

I am not trying to HELP YOU! I am not trying to give "Brabus" a solution to his many building problems. Gerrit?

I said from the onset, that this was an academic discourse for ANYONE interested! Its called an OPEN DISCUSSION!
Anyone can respond, IFF they feel like
That you responded, as one of the respondents, should not make you think l am trying to help YOU or your opinion is sacrosanct!

Get-off your high-horse!

....and if you really want to avoid a headache, eff-off and stop responding to 'this particular discussion'.

Who are you that l need to convince you? Building Authority or what?
You know what, builders with very high repute that we know here on NLand, are not this arrogant but yours beggar-belief!

YOU Brabus, is not under any compulsion to respond to anything l post. others have responded so, whats your stress?
Did you not notice that some people did not respond? ...and that is very okay because its a free world

STOP giving yourself headache because you want to prove something at all cost.


Whatever your "problems" since day-before-yesterday (I hope it is not Maverick again! ) is no one's business! Go resolve it.

I am not here to fight with you on a keyboard. I cannot even fight you....over what?
I fight wars for a living, real war, in real-life and with real "enemies".

If people actually use their "head" all the time, we wont have all the "Brabus built me a sinking house" or "Brabus gave me a fake Approval"-issues we have been resolving here-in, for the last two years.
People who cant "use their head and think beyond what they see", are the ones that use Pad-Foundation to build in Swamp.... and then turn around to blame the Client!


I expect YOU, as an educated person, to know that "immutable laws" that govern everything, including Construction, are started "in the head", as theories by people who can use their head!

Abeg, l have told you to "move-on", since yesterday.... and stop responding to my suggestion on using 2x2 in a fascia!
Its not by force you should contribute.




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uduokirika1:
What about the 7 omo ales. Owners of Lagos land

By d. Way, So where is Oba Akiolu that was looking for whom to drawn in the Lagoon for disrespecting his kingdom!

Here are those who killed his people and destroyed. Properties in his land (mile 12) been freed b4 his very eyes yet he has. Developed mouth ulcer!

They even threw a. Party to celebrate. Their release in front of his palace b4. Departing for. Kano!


Omo see chancing

When you make this type of incendiary but equally stewpid statement, you should first look in the mirror!

Did the Fulani not come and erase a whole village in your part of the country (Nimbo) ...and even take video evidence to show "how successful and easy it was"?

WHAT DID YOU DO? WHAT DID YOUR OBI and EZE DO...other than to be crying like babies on TV Camera?

"the Pot is not in a position to accuse the kettle of being Black"

Its this your type of comment that always give the Northerner a heads-Up, because no one can trust your "inner intentions".
The Northerner, we know (Suicide Bombers), but you Ibos, we dont know and can never know! (treacherous to the bone!)



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Pavarottii:
Ambode, over to you.
These northerners sha, they just feel they own this country and the west is supporting this impunity, because they are scared of genocide. Is this how other regions senators go and repatriate prisoners from another region and will av an easy passage on it, simply because our security forces are dominated by the northerners.

Am not from d west, but this is injustice, cos I know they will eventually be released and am sure they planning another attack in Lagos wiv the military on their side. This should go through some legal process. Imagine he came all the way to Lagos to repatriate dem.
Well the yorubas brought it upon demselves, the northerners will always see dem as slaves not as brothers.

Well I hope Ambode will be brave like Fayose and relocate d market, if Kwankwaso has anything wrong with that he should take the matter to court.


One Nigeria indeed.

Everything you have written was brilliant but the "red bolded" parts need to be properly x-rayed!
How did the Yoruba "bring it upon themselves"?

Let me guess your response:

1.) By not supporting Biafra, right? Is it a must that we must support secession of one part of the country when we do not believe that is the cause of our problems? NO

2.) By voting out Jonathan and voting a Northerner? Much has been said on this but let me just remind you that in 2009, it was Yorubas that led the way in ensuring that Jonathan succeeded Yar Ardua.
Yorubas placed their lives and blood on the line for him.

In 2011 again, if not for Yorubas, he could not have won that election where Yorubas, though voting AD in state elections in the Western Nigeria, still voted PDP in the Presidential election so that Jonathan can be elected.

But what did we get in return?
That clueless kleptomaniac stabbed Yorubas in the back! He was clueless and turned it to an Igbo presidency. He insulted Yorubas at will, e.t.c.
So, in 2015, he "pushed us" to vote him out, and vote the "northerner" who is the alternative.

Let me tell you, nothing excite the Northerner more than how you Ibos are behaving.
Each time they see you insult Yorubas, they know TWO things are SURE:

1.) Biafra will never be a reality, because without the support of Yorubas, it will remain a pipe dream.
Only an alliance with Yorubas, can make Biafra a reality.... Not even "attachee" with the SS as you are doing now.
Take that to the bank.

2.) In your hatred for Yorubas, they know it is always the Northerner that will reap the benefit, not even you, yourself.
The evidence is all over the place!

So, if you want to trade blame, look in the mirror.

As for that riff-raff called Kwakwanso, he is a Muppet and l am sure that Ambode will show him who is boss in Lagos!
But it is worrying that Hoodlums who killed a lot of innocent people, burnt houses and raped others, are being FREED by our Security and Judicial system..... JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE NORTHERNERS?

Anyway, a Yoruba Proverb says "When a Drum is about to tear, it starts sounding in a very high-pitched tone".
These Northerners are gradually getting to a "point of No-Return" in Nigeria, with their blood-lust.

Like Jonathan, Buhari is wasting the goodwill we gave him freely.



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kenonze:
Why always Yoruba.
Was expecting to hear... Nneka, Chima, Asari, Tompolo, Faruk

Gerrouta-here! those one are into Oil bunkering, Kidnapping and drug pushing!
kidding nii.

BTW: How does this Prof's award translate into Constant Electricity in Nigeria.... abi America don give am automatic citizenship again?

Omo Yoruba, E'ma gbage'ile ....



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dontjealousme:
Daft, nobody start a sentence mentioning their ethnic group. U are so empty that despite numerous correction u still make the same mistake. Are the dumbest yoruba alive?

If u want to pretend to be igbo do it well. idiot!

I knew this would be the next line of action - Blame Yorubas!

Infact, l conclude that the statement read by the Anambara Commissioner, was written by another Yoruba fella!

Even the so-called "infiltrators" that killed Law officers of the Nigerian state would soon be branded as Yorubas!

All Ibo problems "starts and ends" .....with YORUBAS!

Chai, na so Yoruba do una reach?

I hail!

Anyway, those who carry ant-infested wood should expect visits from lizards!

Pikin way say im Mama no go sleep. im self should be ready to do Night Vigil.
Police, over to you.



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Caveat: I am proudly Yoruba, if that solves anyone's headache.

msogunro: So it sound's like if a builder paid more up front for better quality blocks, he/she could save time and money by skipping the required work to make the pillars?

I saw a video where the corners were built up using blocks, re-bar was added through each block from floor to ceiling, and slurry was poured inside. No extra time and money spent making and removing the form work for the pillars. Could this approach be used in Naija?

I think it could, if proper diligence was put into all the things you mentioned above.... though l would not be too comfortable if it were a build higher than a Bungalow.



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msogunro:
Naija homes use columns in the corners, but I've seen many homes outside of Naija without columns. The images I've attached appear to use just stacked blocks in the corners.

Is there a reason why all Naija homes use columns?

In my own humble opinion, l think most of the "seemingly over-build" we do is as a result poor strength of our moulded blocks such that they cannot carry anything more than a head-pan of sand!

I have sat on a 9" Block in one of my site before and it just collapsed under me.... and l am not someone of heavy-weight (Work-out things).
I just ask them to return all the remaining blocks back to the seller!

When you use such blocks to build a house (which is what is very common except you mould your own blocks yourself and do it to specific standard), you are better-off ensuring that the weight rests on something stronger, hence used of re-inforced columns, than on such Blocks.

Otherwise, "Lekki Gardens" might have another story to tell.
Though in some parts of Nigeria, they actually dont use hollow blocks but "solid blocks, which are stronger.

Also, instability of soil we build on (especially we that can build on beach soil, swamp and even on water! ) requires that we put in place proper column support.

Again, the type of Roofing we do over here (solid, heavy woods, iron sheet, heavy Ceiling using Asbestos, e.t.c) means we have a lot of weight on the upper part of our building..... to be carried by those "HOLLOW, half-cement Blocks" we buy from producers!
Only a re-enforced column can put one's mind at rest in such situation

Finally, we have also developed to some extent, the art of building such that the Blocks do not carry any, if any, of the dead loads of the building, using "Frame-technique" and "Lintel-Chaining".

In all, l think its a way of making the best of what we have.

This is just my opinion, l could be wrong sha.



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true2home:
Boss, the flat board is structural. The board is a part of the roof structure. It combines all the rafter just like a ring lintel tights the four walls of the house together. its out of convenience that the aluminum is attached to the board nowadays for aesthetic

My Oga,

The bolded is never in doubt or questioned.

My angle would rather be whether the 2x2 can also do what the Board does, if used in a "pair" arrangement?

Except you are saying that rafters can be nailed to a board but cant be nailed to a 2x2?, ....even when both are made of wood and the 2x2 is actually THICKER and the attached Aluminium, as you RIGHTLY said, is just for aesthetics


We are all learning from this discuss, appreciate your view.



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n3xt:
Baba lastpage, I don try. I'm not Goodluck Jonathan. Let someone else share the alternative offerings. I know I'll be adding something new pretty soon but for now let me rest.

In the pics attached are all the fascia materials used on various NextHome projects.

1. Wood Fascia | The Reserve, 2014
2. Concrete Fascia | The Chateau in Ile Oluji, 2013
3. Aluminium Fascia | Diamond Estate, 2012
4. Extruded Aluminium Profile Fascia | Plot 10AB LKH, 2015


Not done steel yet!

I actually, l think you are the "twin brother" of Goodluck Jonathan, .....from another father!
You both have an uncanny knack for "over-aggressively" defending yourself, while flip-flopping,....... even when no one is attacking you! Coupled with the fact that you both dont enjoy any public trust in your areas of speciality
Infact, if not that Nigerians have said "never again", l would have wagered that you will also be the next PDP-President! \

n3xt:
Baba lastpage, I will not go on this wild expendition just because of N10,000 savings. I've already made enough savings using with board/plank fascia instead of concrete, aluminium or steel fascia

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You are the one that said you had done "STEEL" Fascia.... not me!
Only to show ALUMINIUM Fascia!
Okay, l get it! "America will know" that "Steel" and "Aluminium" are the same.

BTW: I thanked you for your contribution, at the beginning of my post.... then l finally thanked you for your contribution, at the end of my post, adding that l am waiting on the contribution of "others".
What is it that you dont understand in that?
and you have to be complaining that someone is worrying you, like you are some kind of "Holy Grail" in construction?

Abeg, take am easy o. I never said YOU or anyone, MUST adopt the option... its just an "open academic discourse" l am having here.

Again, THANK YOU... for your contributions to my question....now, give others a chance please!



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double-posted in error.

n3xt:
Baba lastpage, I will not go on this wild expendition just because of N10,000 savings.
I've already made enough savings using with board/plank fascia instead of concrete, aluminium or steel fascia

The maximum savings you'll get in a house of 15m x 24m[b] is less than 25k.[/b]

As per weight, the weight imposed by fascia boards is too insignificant to be worried about.

I'll be more interested in reducing the weight of the joists.

Okay, no problem, it is inherent in your post that you made a tacit admission that using a 2x2 over a 1x12 Fascia board is "relatively cheaper", no matter how small the "savings" is....... and imposes a reduced weight, no matter how small the difference is.

My point of view has to do with "learning to improve and do things in a batter way, based on having an open mind to new methods.
Its not just a wild argument of "who is right".

I will wait for other opinions and point of view on the proposition.

Thanks for your contribution.



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BTW: You mean you have used Steel fascia in the past?
Hmmmm.... Dearis God O!

n3xt:
Baba lastpage, why do you want to work us out for nothing this morning.

You mentioned cost and weight and not the most important thing "FUNCTIONALITY"
Does the proposed idea have any major advantage over the traditional approach?

If it does, what happens to the soffits (external ceilings)?

2 X 2 wood at the top and down leaves at least 4" space in the middle, wide enough to cause greater damage to the roof during windstorm.

The fascia boards helps to keep the cladding material straight and it is a fairly easy task to fix long lengths "dead straight" that do not move once fixed.
This is practically near impossible with 2 X 2 woods which will warp and bend in shape when exposed to harsh conditions.

Cost: 2x2 up and down will require some cut braces at the centers to hold it firm. At least, one 2x2 wood per length. This increase the cost in so many ways. Material, Labour and Time.

Installation: more difficult to install ceilings and cladding materials on 2" wood than 1" boards.

Maintenance: more easier and faster to maintain fascia boards than woods.


Extra Cost

Material: woods, nails, braces
Labour: extra cost of bracing the woods. The man hour spent also increases
Time: it'll cost additional time to nail 2 woods, the braces and the noggins.


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Contrary views will be highly appreciated. We are here to learn.

Oga Brabus,

Thank you for your response.
I also understand the meaning of that "Lastpage" of your Notebook, though mine is not always like that because l have a separate jotter for such things!

Back to topic:

You have completely misunderstood what l am inferring!

For ease of reference, l have further highlighted areas l am referring to.

Where you have those yellow lines, is where the 2x2 wood will be (without the facing board in place in this scenario).
So, you will have three lines of 2x2 wood running along those three yellow lines.
The Marron-colored Facing Board will be nailed to them.

I will address each issue you raised (which l highlighted in red), one after the other

First, functionality (function of covering that place l arrowed in my post) is achieved by the attached Aluminium covering in Maroon color.
So whether you use a facing board under it ..or you use a 2x2 wood at both edges (where l marked yellow), you will achieve the same functionality, by nailing the Maroon coloured Aluminium, to the wood beneath it.
So, that is taken care-of.

Soffits: The Soffits are nailed to the two lines of 2x2 at the bottom, the same way you will nail them to the 1x12 facing Board and a 2x2 running along the wall. Difference here is that you are using less wood (equivalent of 1x4x12. This is where the cost savings and weight savings come-in)

4" space in the middle: Once the 2x2 woods are in place (running along the yellow lines), the Maroon coloured Aluminium fascia is then nailed to it so, essentially, there is NO SPACE in-between the 2x2 wood on top and below ...because that space is now covered with the Aluminium (Blue-color in your picture of that house)
Thus, your assertion about wind-damage is completely not going to occur.
If it can ever occur, then it will also occur with a 1x12 Wood Fascia but l am sure it cant because there is no space for the wind to enter.


Keeping fascia cladding "straight and ease of fixing": How straight the Fascia cladding is, is determined by the wood underneath it.
If you use a "strong and straight" wood (same as you would use in your 1x12), then the Aluminium (Maroon color) cladding you nail to it will be straight as well. if not it wont be straight, whether it is 2x2 or 1x12

Woods only warp when they are not properly processed and dried before use and if they are the soft type of wood.
Now, if "all things being equal", ....if you apply the same criteria to both situations, you willget the same result for a 1x12 or a 2x2.
again, no difference there.

On "ease of fixing", once you have the "wooden frame" in place, l think nailing the Aluminium cladding to the wood, is same for both cases. Place it on it and hammer the nail-in. What else?

Braces: the wood that the Wooden facing board is nailed to, is a 2x4 or a 2x4, l believe. (Correct me if l am wrong on this).

Now, the 2x2 will need a brace between the upper line and the lower line, in a few places because they would also be nailed to the 2x4 or 2x4 mentioned above, which the 1x12 is nailed to.
So, yes, you will need a few braces but the cost and effort is very insignificant.

Now, for the positives, the 2x2 arraignment is cheaper to maintain because you wil be replacing cheaper wood (2x2) which is four times cheaper than an equivalent length of 1x12 (for example, if a 2x2 of Itara wood is #350, a 1x12 of the same wood is about #1400).
To replace a length of the fascia when there is a problem, at worst, you will replace two of the 2x2 but in replacing one of the 1x12, you will spend double.
Thus, the 2x2 arrangement is CHEAPER in this way of maintenance.

I also mentioned WEIGHT of the overall wood on the house.
Hard Woods are generally very heavy.
Compared to a 1x12, the 4" space between the upper lines and the lower lines, when a 2x2 wood is used, represent 2/3rds of 67% of REDUCED WEIGHT. This is very significant in builds where the overall weight of the building (dead loads) are critical to the survival of the building.

Overall, l think the COST savings and WEIGHT advantage of the 2x2, trumps the relative ease of nailing the Aluminium Fascia to the 1x12.

I hope l have been able to explain better now.... as you will observe, your response was not comparing what l had in mind to what you explained.
Thanks,



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Aside: can you please share names of Hardwoods that are "comparatively light in weight" ...and still a hardwood. (You know most of them are very dense and heavy)

derecho:
Me, the IDOL WORSHIPPER?

I wondered why I was in the queue of accused at all
I am intelligent, aggressive, young, Totally committed to my God.
What am I doing here ?with this sheet of supposed sins in my hand I wondered
I don’t drink, I don't smoke, I don’t fornicate, I don’t steal, I am righteous. Others should be here not me.

It was finally my turn to face the Man.
I placed my sheet before Him, He glanced at it and sighed softly.
He looked at me and calmly said,
‘Guilty of idol worship'
Imagine my anger, my fury, My indignation, I jumped out of the chair and said ‘Of course not! Check the sheet again, check the name, It can't be mine’
He sighed again and mentioned one of my names that no one knows
I would not be stopped. It's impossible’ I yelled. I worship only God, the Most High, Maker of heaven and earth, The king of kings and Lord of Lords.
I bow down to none, I have no talisman, no amulet, No pot underneath my bed.
‘You are guilty of idol worship’ He repeated calmly
He looked at me
I looked at Him
It seemed like forever. The room was silent.
I could hear the clock ticking

Then slowly I understood

I am never late for my British Airway flights but I am always late to church
-I blinked -
My payments to unfaithful PHCN and water board are never late but I haven’t paid my tithes in three months
-I looked down-,

When meeting one of our local chiefs last week I would not even pick a call in the presence of earthly royalty, but I WhatsApp in church
-I swallowed-.

I wouldn’t interrupt my performance appraisal with my boss for anything but I missed church last week because of a film on TV
-I squirmed uncomfortably-

I wouldn’t let a day end without talking to my spouse but today I just said Hi God, Bye God
And I didn’t even pray last night
-The room began to feel hot-

I would never miss going to the bank because of the weather but I missed fellowship of Wednesday because it looked really cloudy.
-It seems the AC in the room wasn’t working-

I would wear my party colors to party meetings and not care what anyone thought of me but I hate to talk to my workmates about God because of what they will think of me.
-Someone should fix this AC or put it on 0 because 10 was too hot for me-

I always have the latest tech toy you can think of but my bible is so worn I cant even find Jude anymore
-I wished the Man would get a call and leave but He doesn’t allow anything to interrupt when He is with His children.-

I felt so hot in the room, a nervous sweat on my forehead, I felt so ill and weak, all of my anger and self righteousness was gone, leaving immense guilt in its wake.
I slowly got of the chair and knelt by His feet and said
‘I am sorry, I am guilty as charged, Guilty of idol worship, guilty of placing others; humans, toys; before You. I am guilty of idol worship’

He smiled gently, looked at me with those passionate eyes of His full of love and He gave me a fresh sheet!
Good morning! Don't even try to say, it can't be me. Can we for once be True and change our ways?

"HE" said You are also GUILT of IGNORANCE!
That is on charge-sheet #2.

now, straight into that burning Pot of Ohyel....



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dauntless15:
depends on your budget, but what you need is
* washing machines
*electric pressing iron
*dryers
*mild soap and detergents
*wide table, waist height,
* some bowls
* proper and presentable packaging

nice location

Please Add GENERATORS and PETROL @#145/Litre to that list.

I wont envy you at all when you dont get Power for one week and Customer wants to wear his dress to one owanmbe party this weekend!




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jamesjoel142:
If Jonathan failed, what is your brother Buhari doing now, under a year Nigeria is already a failed nation. Shame on you fools. Some comments just make me believe Nigeria can never be one. I believe we can raise again only if we sign Obama as president 2019

Naaah!

"Fresh "STALE air" does not go away that easily"!

It is easier to destroy like Jonathan did, for SIX YEARS,.... than to rebuild within ONE YEAR!

Chillax and stop hyperventilating, there is ALWAYS a STORM, before the CALM.




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HungerBAD:
GEJ? the way this man squandered Nigeria's wealth among a few is staggering.

For those supporting this Man, please do a soul searching thing.

Tell me where you think GEJ belongs to.

(A) Prison

(B) Prison

(C)Prison

Pick an answer please.

kai, this your JAMB question is too easy!

I think you should include the best option (D)... as below.




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