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Ologbo147:
we are more than Ijesa in population and we are definitely more traveled, the Ijeshas are not more than Ekiti. The Ekitis would just be roughly the same size as the Binis

Mention the Benin equivalents of
Odeleye Fadahunsi
Lawrence Omole
Bola Ige
W F Kumuyi
Da Rocha
Sapara Williams
Kayode Esho
To mention only a few people. Ijesa for now are six local governments but other Ijesa lie outside those local governments. In Osogbo today, the only lands left are being sold by Ijesa indigenous land owners. Ijesa state if created will border Ede with Osogbo inside. Can a Benin state beat such a state?. Maybe. There are no data but if you are not more exposed or educated, or with more population, how then can you be more travelled?. Ijesa have been scattered over decades and a town like Ipetu Ijesa might have as many indigenes as Akure but now Akure is much bigger.

Ologbo147:
You talked about those masons spending money on Bini land, working and spending money on Bini land.

There are hundreds of thousands of Binis outside the shores, and they have attendant families at home, you definitely do not know how the Binis are closely knitted with travel outside of the shores.

Almost every family in Benin has atleast one person outside the shores. By family, I mean family of five, family of four, in some cases where it is extended, an extended family of 25 might have as much as ten persons outside the shores.

Those money you see are sent to siblings who do not have jobs, are underemployed in other to continually carry themselves through and through all year round, and they in turn spend it on the Economy in Benin. They use it to buy food stuff, pay children school fees and so on.

That is why you can see a jobless man in Benin who intends to get married because he has backings of his siblings abroad.

There are many scenarios whereby a family of seven would have just one of their siblings in Nigeria. And the other six would be outside would be outside the shores. And they use these monies for thier everyday survival just as those masons and labourers use it, it is the same thing.


They don’t send to domiciliary account,they send to those Abokis at Erie at sakponba road, then their people go to Erie to collect it.

That is why you can see a Bini oldman in the suburb of Beninthat has not been paid pension for years, would have millions in his account courtesy of the children he has abroad

Everything is population and Benin alone are not more than Ijesa in population nor are they more travelled. The only thing they may have more are more people living on their land for now.

Ologbo147:
not somebody we are talking of hundreds of thousands of Binis

This is not small money, my brother, did you even check it, 25 % of 11 billion dollars. You know how much that is

People inside Benin are more important than anybody abroad. Also for over a year I have had no income and my sisters support me. I send Whatsapp message to one in the US, then the money will appear in my account. I am the beneficiary but where the dollar goes to I don't know but I am in Ilesa Osun state. Domiciliary accounts receiving dollars from abroad are more in Edo and they may be and are probably racketeers with government connection or they can be expatriates, Mallams and etc. The only way the data can be correct is if people are allowed to operate domiciliary accounts without restrictions. Otherwise it can never be correct though Edo will have more than Osun only because of higher population. Once again the people on your land are the people you have. If you check properly it may be a few big men with connections collecting most of the forex into a few accounts. The GDP of Edo of maybe 7 million people is not more than
18 billion dollars max.

Ologbo147:
these are different povs, they contribute money to the city, quite alright, they are residents in the city, it is not their city, indigeneship and residency are two different things

How can you say they contribute money to Benin more than Binis abroad. When25%of the Total international remittance that came to Nigeria last year came to Edo state and Benin city, two times bigger than the remittance that came to Lagos state, most Yorubas in Benin city are labourers and masons,bricklayers, how then do they contribute more to Benin than Bini’s abroad

https://www.nairaland.com/7484480/international-remittances-nigeria-state-household/12#119433439

Remittance is a tiny amount of any economy. A man living in Benin and working there is spending millions every year in the Benin economy for food, rent, transport and etc, you can't compare that to somebody sending money from abroad periodically or in tiny bits

Ologbo147:
so is not the first syllables, the Benin word for Sky is ISO not so. ISO and Sanmo or Sanma does not relate by any stretch of the word . Except you stay in mars or pluto

Sanmo can as well be Isanma as well. Ife that we normally say is actually Fe and not Ife but Ife can be used as well but the right way to say it is actually Ile Fe and not Ile Ife. Fe means expand which you can ask anyone nearby you. Ifa too is actually Fa which means to scrape

Ologbo147:
they do not belong to Benin city, they are only residents here, there is no indigenous Yoruba in Benin city

What about Odion, What about Uwoghiren, what about Ehioghiren and so on and so forth. Besides this is what Bradbury has to say about Binis in Ondo state

I am an Ijesa person with origin from Ijero. I will never claim Ijero. I am bonafide Ijesa. No indigene of any Ondo town will say they are Benin people. They can have origin from there though

Ologbo147:
, the combined population of Esan together with Urhobo is more than Bini. And these three words(Ogie/OvieOjie) are all cognates of King or a ranking chief of his people. It has the same meaning as Oye, it also has the same meaning as Oche. And it totally matches with Oye and Oche. You cannot just pick that of the Bini which you earlier in argued is a small fraction of the Edoid and compare with a non related Oga. It is laughable, what will then happen to Ovie/Ojie that are cognates of Ogie. What will now happen to Oche and Oye that seem to align in essence and in meaning.

When you say Oga as a word, it is most likely a two person relationship, not like Oche/Oye/Ogie/Ovie/Ojie which when bestowed with the title, one is usually in charge of a community or a people. I am yet to see your linguistic backing

Your observation is definitely not in line with reality

I have told you the real meaning of Oga, it means boss. Oga olopa is police boss. Oga tiisa can mean Principal and etc etc. All I know is that Ogie and Oga sound the same and how Ogie and Ovie came to be different is for you to go and research. How did Benin people came nt to be able to pronounce J and they are calling Deji of Akure the Udezi of Akure?. They are calling Bajulaiye meaning the King is supreme on Earth Bazulaiye which has no meaning?. You can go and research all those too. Language formation is very dynamic and it is not simple mathematics as you seem to think

Ologbo147:
Iso and Sanmo is not similar by any stretch, stop making mockery of yourself and what you stand for

The first syllables are similar. You must be foolish to say I am mocking myself for saying So is similar to Sanma.

Ologbo147:
they do not belong to Benin city, they are only residents here, there is no indigenous Yoruba in Benin city

What about Odion, What about Uwoghiren, what about Ehioghiren and so on and so forth. Besides this is what Bradbury has to say about Binis in Ondo state

If they don't belong then they are revenue sources for Benin and are making money there. They are more important to Benin than Benin abroad. Would you want all strangers to leave Benin and then you go back to square one?

Ologbo147:
what about Oche and Oye. Please post any excerpts which buttresses your point that what you just thought of three minutes ago has been established by linguists.

If at all Oga matches Ogie what about Ojie and Ovie, or do you think the Bini Ogie is the standard of king in the Edoid.

How does Oga matches Ovie. How then does Oga match Ojie how then Does Oga match Oche or Oye. But when you pit Oye and Oche side by side with Ovie and Ojie. You see corelation among Niger -Benue Congo group of languages which has a common origin

Oye does not match Oche like Ogie matches Oga almost exactly. Oye in Yoruba means chieftaincy title which is not as high ranking as boss or king. OGA does not match Ovie and I also don't know the tonation of Ogie but I suspect it will match Oga but the two groups did not copy from each other. The words are primordial to the two languages. Even the Yoruba word Sanmo is similar to So in Ogiso a word that means King from the skies etc etc.

Ologbo147:
a migration that happened before 1897, that’s far before the independence of Nigeria. The people would probably see the land as their own now. The migrations that would happen now in Benin would be one whereby one is conscious of their community because of the state of Origin and local government of origin consciousness in Nigeria today.

Even though you stay 30 years in Benin, you have a consciousness that you are not from Benin because of the state of origin, there are Hausas that have been here since the 1990s and late 1980s, they still visit their land intermittently with the consciousness of where they came from.

I gave two other suggestions which were ignored by you, of one whereby actual Bini people according to their history migrated to those areas,

And lastly the one of the trade party, you cannot really tell the one whose language is intelligible to Bini and the one that is not because you are not an Edo. It is for Edolites to go there and actually check if their dialects is intelligible to a great deal. There are actual Binis in Ondo state and it is not news. This is what Hans melzian has to say as it pertains to Binis in Ondo state

Wherever you are is your own. Yoruba working in Benin city belong to Benin a d whatever they ask them to do is what they will do. That is how it has always been. A full city is always an advantage for the city. Osamuyi, Ogunmuyi, Famuyi are all Yoruba names. Osamuyi means the deity brings honor and no Yoruba will agree with you that it is not a Yoruba name

Ologbo147:
my brother I know where you are going to, it is not the same, I am telling you from linguist perspective not your own logical perspective. Language does not evolve the way you feel it should. It is Ogie/Ovie/Ojie by the Edoid. Oye by the Yorubas, Oche and Eze by the Igbos, even though that of the Igbos has drifted slightly away

it is the middle pronunciations that matters the most, Ogiame- not Ogieami

Boss and King are starkly and essentially different

Oga That is even debatable might be from Ogaranya

Ogaranya does not fit. Eze is totally different from Ogie and Oga by pronunciation. I am not going anywhere. What I pointed out is already accepted by linguists. YEAI have the same parent stock, so the group members are cousins. It is not a matter of debate but they are not the same language any more but now and then you can unearth the vocabs of the ancestor language. Agbala in Yoruba is mgbala in Igbo. Giripa is Dimkpa and many others. How do you explain that?. Those are vocabs of a language spoken over five thousand years ago or more.

Ologbo147:
that is Bradbury’ work . Edo proper is Bini, it was written in 1952.


And besides I would want to know where you got the information that Esans are more than the Binis. even the Urhobos, there is no proof that they are more than the Binis even though I believe they(the Urhobos now are slightly more. I was eating when you wrote this, I could not respond to you properly .

Our musicians in Bini go to Esan land, aside Bini territory to perform.that is because we speak related dialect. I have not seen them go to Etsako or Urhobo to perform. Except maybe that particular party, they have many Bini speakers there.

And their musicians come Into perform in our land too. And it very easy for the Esan people to assimilate in Benin or to learn the Bini dialect. We have many of them in our music and movie industry because we speak related dialects.

There are many collaborations in Movies that has been done by the Bini movie industry, whereby the Esans were allowed to speak their dialects and Bini and Esan people watching such movie have understanding of each of these dialects to al large extent. But I have never seen one of Bini and Etsako or Bini and Urhobo even though they are both Edoid, that should tell you she is not drunk or Bradbury is not drunk.

Is it the Music industry, there have been collabo by Esan and Bini artists or musicians live on stage, whereby people were present in such events and there was no raise of an eyebrow. But I have not seen a Bini and an Urhobo musician or a Bini and an Etsako musician collabo on stage even though they are both Edoid languages.

Lastly there is a saying in Benin, Edo na ma ze se ore Esan which directly translates to mean Benin not spoken well is Esan. Which further portends to mean that it is intelligible but not sweet or palatable to the Bini’s man ear. That is not how he expects his Edo to be

Osamuyimen, the short form is Osamuyi. is a Bini name, it means the lord has given me honour. Even Odion etc go to Owo, There are Bini people in Ondo state and it is not news. Go to Akure, Idoani, Igbora oke etc . And Irele and ose Lgas. They still manage to speak a corrupt version of Edo. Even in Okelusen which is now in Ondo state. They still manage to speak a corrupt version of Edo.

If they spoke Edo, as we have confirmed it was spoken, it was never a Yoruba empire

Obviously Esan and Benin drifted apart relatively recently just as must have happened to Isoko and Urhobo. They are more similar than say Nnewi and Abakaliki who are both Igbos. Osamuyi also means the deity has given me honor in Yoruba. Which language is it then?. No Yoruba will agree it is Benin language

Ologbo147:
the one I have heard from linguist is the Yoruba Oye which means chief, the Igbo -Eze, the Edoid Ogie/Ovie/Ojie and the Idoma -Oche. This is more likely than the other one

Oga- Boss, Ogie- King is more similar than all your examples. Boss and King mean basically the same thing but your Ogie in Warri is obviously not from Yoruba speakers because Yoruba will never describe a King as Oga as it would be disrespectful. However Ogaomi will mean boss of the riverrine area similar to Ogieami that you said means King of the riverrine area. It is just to show that all YEAI became different by slowly drifting apart and acquiring new words and characteristics along the way.

Ologbo147:
there is nothing like that my brother, they speak a corrupt version of Bini, their oral traditions states that those were actual migrations from Bini during the reign of the present dynasty. People were always leaving the city in droves, Ido-ani got thier fair share. Many of them still come to Bini today and Identify as such because their language and culture is more akin to Edo proper.

Also many of those settlements in ondo state actually came up when the Binis were fleeing the city in droves during the invasion of 1897 and many did not come back until the 1930s and 40s. Many more remained. It is not news, that is not proto-Edoid, that is Bini

Even in Akure and Ekiti, there were trade parties and many soldiers remained.

If so it means that one is a recent migration but there are Edoid groups in the South west that were not settled from Benin just like Urhobo was not settled from Benin. People are always moving around. Nowadays, people have moved into Benin far more than Benin people have moved to other places.

Ologbo147:
it is not my brother, you are not a linguist, don’t be confused, you have no proof

It just came to my head now. It can be true because all these languages descend from the same ancestor overtime

Ologbo147:
that is Bradbury’ work . Edo proper is Bini, it was written in 1952.


And besides I would want to know where you got the information that Esans are more than the Binis. even the Urhobos, there is no proof that they are more than the Binis even though I believe they(the Urhobos now are slightly more. I was eating when you wrote this, I could not respond to you properly .

Our musicians in Bini go to Esan land, aside Bini territory to perform.that is because we speak related dialect. I have not seen them go to Etsako or Urhobo to perform. Except maybe that particular party, they have many Bini speakers there.

And their musicians come Into perform in our land too. And it very easy for the Esan people to assimilate in Benin or to learn the Bini dialect. We have many of them in our music and movie industry because we speak related dialects.

There are many collaborations in Movies that has been done by the Bini movie industry, whereby the Esans were allowed to speak their dialects and Bini and Esan people watching such movie have understanding of each of these dialects to al large extent. But I have never seen one of Bini and Etsako or Bini and Urhobo even though they are both Edoid, that should tell you she is not drunk or Bradbury is not drunk.

Is it the Music industry, there have been collabo by Esan and Bini artists or musicians live on stage, whereby people were present in such events and there was no raise of an eyebrow. But I have not seen a Bini and an Urhobo musician or a Bini and an Etsako musician collabo on stage even though they are both Edoid languages.

Lastly there is a saying in Benin, Edo na ma ze se ore Esan which directly translates to mean Benin not spoken well is Esan. Which further portends to mean that it is intelligible but not sweet or palatable to the Bini’s man ear. That is not how he expects his Edo to be

Osamuyimen, the short form is Osamuyi. is a Bini name, it means the lord has given me honour. Even Odion etc go to Owo, There are Bini people in Ondo state and it is not news. Go to Akure, Idoani, Igbora oke etc . And Irele and ose Lgas. They still manage to speak a corrupt version of Edo. Even in Okelusen which is now in Ondo state. They still manage to speak a corrupt version of Edo.

If they spoke Edo, as we have confirmed it was spoken, it was never a Yoruba empire

Proto Edoid settlements have been all over the place for thousands of years, maybe for ten thousand years but they were not Benin settlements. There is a quarter in Ido Ani speaking an Edoid language and maybe in the past they used to be larger than Benin city.

Let me also chip in that the Edo word Ogie to mean King is not much different from the Yoruba word Oga to mean boss. Digging deep, most words of the YEAI are interlinked.

Ologbo147:
what i sent to you was the Bini dictionary written in 1937 by Hans melzian it is not a claim, she actually studied them

Yes a Benin person will say an Esan is speaking wrong Benin while Esan will say Benin is speaking wrong Esan, therefore the difference is there which came as a result of long years of social isolation. A while ago, a Benin man told me the meaning of Edokpolor and the meaning is right in Yoruba. Five thousand years ago YEAI was one language and maybe the most undiluted or long standing portion of it is Akokoid and Edoid followed by Yoruboid then Igboid. I think the Edo language is more tonal or accented than Yoruba. Yoruba have five tones with three more pronounced while Edo has more than three well pronounced and the more tones a language has, the more relatively undisturbed it can be assumed to be. Only a tonal language can be easily spoken with talking drums. However all languages have been disturbed but Edo been more Southerly may have been less disturbed than Yoruba.

Ologbo147:
the difference of Esan and Bini is more of a cultural thing than a language thing. When you add the number of Esan and Bini that are members of the same language, they are more than the Urhobos

I did not write that excerpt I gave to you, moreover that is not the meat of the matter, as what I am driving at is that Esan and Bini speak the same language, if you talking strictly about language and number of speakers, you have to add the Esan and Bini population together

I have actually heard somebody make a similar claim online but not a linguist. I believe it is possibly true just the same way Urhobo and one other language that I can't remember the name are said to be basically thesame people who identify differently.

Stoplying:
@lawani is a madman, he just keeps telling complete nonsense. He makes up stories on the go. He doesn't understand the concept of "proving your claim". With him it is just his mouth, he claims he can see what happened one thousand years ago 🤣
I don't have time to waste by talking to a crazy person who just keeps claiming complete rubbish, and when you ask for evidence, he insults you and claims even more unsubstantiated and crazy rubbish.
The guy needs to be in a mental asylum.

Your father, ancestors are mad people. Your descendants will also be mad people

Ologbo147:
the most you know are a fraction and we can’t judge based on that, maybe it is to curry Favour from you, majority of Afenmai people are in Edo state. And most of them might be Akoko Edo or Owan.

What do you mean Yoruba don’t bear Bini names, go to Akure, Idoani and see Bini names, go and see Bini names like Osamuyi etc and they are Yorubas. Have you heard of the term Edo’ne’khue

I still do not understand what you mean by number 2 or number one Edoid language, most of these Edoid languages in Edoid state were dialects of Bini and so would have been more intelligible to Bini more than this. I have shown you an excerpt which posit that Esan till today is still a dialect of Bini


A minute part of Edoid bearing Yoruba names or speaking Yoruba today is because we border Yoruba people, if Edoid was located around rivers state, no Edoid would have been speaking Yoruba today

Edo is not a dialect of Urhobo nor is Yoruba a dialect of the Yoruboid language in Enugu state. Igala is more of a dialect of Yoruba than Benin language is a dialect of Urhobo. By number one I mean the language with the highest number of speakers. I am sure Urhobo and Esan are more than Benin. Osamuyi is a Yoruba name and there are many similar Yoruba names but it can be possible to find Yoruba bearing Benin names, I have however never heard of any. Igala for instance have been described by linguists as varying only dialectically from Yoruba while no Edoid language has ever been described as a dialect of Benin language to my knowledge by linguists. Edonekhue are the Akure people from Benin.

You are right. The Edoid people of say Bayelsa state like Good luck Jonathan's people have nothing at all to do with the Benin empire which was a Yoruba empire. Those were Edoid cultures not influenced by the Yoruba at all. Why not say Benin is a dialect of Esan?. Once again it may be true but no linguists have described it like that that I know of. They describe them as separate languages

Let me now lecture you all on the etymology of the Yoruba word Oba which you ignorantly claim was copied by us from Benin. Benin is the only Edoid settlement using the title Oba but every unlettered member of all Yoruba towns from Ghana to Delta state to Jebba in Niger state and Ilorin call their monarch Oba and any other appellation is just a style. A ten year old know the meaning of the word. If Benin is the only Edo town using the word, can you see how condescending you sound when saying the Yoruba copied the Benin?. A praise name of Alaafin Sango is Oba ko so meanng the King did not hang himself. In Ife all their prncipal chiefs are called Oba like Obaloran, Obalufe, Obajio and others. Obatala is known as Obarisa king of the orisas. It s also an academic fact that almost half of Yoruba words are Kemitic Egyptian and I found out on my own via Google that it is an Egyptian word. Ba of Osiris mean the spirit that presides over Osiris . Check it yourself and that is according to the Yoruba saying Oba ba Lori ohun gbogbo. The King presides over everything according to the definition I found on Google. White Brazilians who are Yoruba know the word. Do you think they learnt it from Benin?. Those are the issues

Ologbo147:
What do you mean they got there through the territory of the old Benin empire, would they not still migrate there, if there was no empire? Besides this is the map of Nigeria, we are not certain they got in through Bini directly, they might have entered Delta directly through Ondo. What does it matter if some Igalas are in Delta, some are in Edo too. Some in Nsukka. Kogi also has a tiny border with Delta.

The Edoid people surrounding Bini are not the Afemai, the Afemai are to the north, you will get to the north of Benin before you find the Esans, then the north of Esan before you get the Afemai,

Nobody is fanning the embers of superiority, Edo south which is 95 percent Bini territory is what is synonymous with the Kingdom, and that is the [b][/b]language spoken by the capital city today, and that is the language that was spoken in History by the Oba, the capital city, and the other surrounding Bini communities.

In as much as we have similarities as group of Edo languages, we also have our differences, the Bini would call king Ogie, The Esans Would call it Ojie, the Urhobos would call it Ovie, that is an undeniable proof that it is a Bini relic that was bestowed on the Itsekiri monarch.

If number one Edo language to you means the Language spoken by the Oba and the capital city and surrounding communities, then it is

The Afemai people do not all speak Yoruba and bear Yoruba names, it is only those at the periphery or frontier areas that speak Yoruba alongside with their first Afemai language. It is a norm anywhere in the world, that frontier areas or border areas are bilingual, an Etsako man whose community does not border any Yoruba community, would not speak Yoruba alongside with his Etsako and would also have no need for a Yoruba name. The same with an Owan man,

Any Edo man from whichever divide either Bini, Esan, Owan Etsako , etc that speak Yoruba or bear Yoruba names is either the mother is Yoruba, or the person grew up in Yoruba land, or his community in Edo state directly borders yoruba land. If these three are absent, it is not possible for an Edo man from whichever divide to bear Yoruba names or speak Yoruba.
And at most the people that bear these Yoruba names from the general Edoid (I mean Bini, Esan, Etsako, Owan and Akoko Edo, with most of them being from Akoko Edo because they have a large border with yoruba)are not more than 15 to 20 percent of the total population

Most Afemmai that I know also see themselves as Yoruba despite also being Afemmai but it may not be all Afemmai of course. You can be any culture you are used to that you grew up with. What I mean is that Benin bear Yoruba names while Yoruba don't bear Benin names. Then Yoruba is the biggest or number one Yoruboid language while Edo is not the number one or even number two Edoid language. You understand?.

What I mean about Olukumi is that their territory is cut off from other Yoruba by Edoid territory

Ologbo147:
I have not said it is small. I never said it was up to, I gave an “at best” situation. The fact that they speak Yoruba does not strengthen your point that Yoruba was spoken in the empire. They already gave their pedigree in their historical tales, so what else do you need. That is the sole reason why they speak Yoruba out of the over 2 million people in the Anioma area. They migrated there, simple and short

There are also some in the same Anioma who claim to have migrated from Ilesa, some are Igalas too. What can not be denied is they got there through the territory of the old Benin empire. When they got there or how I don't know and I choose to believe them. The Owa Atakunmosa of Ijesa spent over sixty years abroad before mounting the throne and he must have gone through Benin territory. The Edoid people surrounding Benin like the Afemai are also Yoruba people who all speak Yoruba and bear Yoruba names. Even Benin people bear Yoruba names. So it is clear that the Edo or current Benin language was a minor language in the Benin empire and could not have possibly been the language of government business. It is also not the number one Edoid language. I am not going to argue with anybody about their origin

Ologbo147:
please I would disbelieve you, Osadebe is not Osadebawmen because they are similar, they cannot be more than 100,000 that is only a fraction when compared to the Anioma population That is over 2 million

What you should be canvassing for is that the Oba and the capital people also spoke Yoruba, if at all or if any,I would reluctantly agree but that Bini was well known a language and was spoken by the Oba and the people in the Capital is not in doubt. I am not wrong, the Olu of Itsekiri goes by the Ogiame tsuo and the word is a direct relic from Benin or Edo That’s an undiluted proof, how did he get it since he was a son of the Oba. And they never spoke Bini or Edo

100,000 is not small though I don't know their population. Some of the most successful sovereign nations on a per Capita basis are not up to that

Stoplying:
Still no evidence!
Benin empire which was known for warfare, you believe a subject of the baale of Ibadan was about to take over Benin empire 🤣
Lawani, we have talked before, many years ago, you have not changed, you are still dvmb and f**lish
Even the British describe Benin as a kingdom which terrifies its neighbours!

You are not well brought up at all. The British did not know the Benin empire at all because when the British became a force in West Africa, Benin was under Akure or so

Ologbo147:
Do you still have access to the paper? Even the one that buttresses same for Ughoton that is the spelling, not the one you wrote up there.

If I can access the materials, I don’t have any issue . I am just against making claims that one cannot back up with proof.

If I am to say it out tomorrow, that Agenebode and Ughoton are Yoruba named, I have to be able to provide the sources you provided here to back it up else no one will take me serious from the academic community.

I would need it, thank you

Ugbodumila is one of the over 100Anioma towns, and it is only that community in that axis of a stretch of 6000 km square, that speak Yoruba. They migrated there independently, I don’t really know how they share border with Ondo state or if they share border with her, Ondo is next door neighbor to Edo and I know Ondo certainly borders Delta state too.

If they say they migrated from Owo according to their migration tales, I don’t think it is out of place migration from Owo to Benin then to Delta, or from Ondo to Delta whichever route they took. Their language would certainly be akin to the people of Owo regardless of where they now settle. In that same Anioma, a Bini dialect with about 90 percent intelligibility rate with the one spoken in Edo south is spoken, (oza nogogo), would I now say because Oza- nogogo speak Bini, then the whole of Anioma must have spoken Bini in time past.

Ugbodumila speaking Yoruba is one borne out of migration from their parent stock to now settle in the midst of strange groups, and nothing more

I don't have access to the paper but I carry such information in my head permanently but you are free to disbelieve me. I am sorry for the slight mistake in spelling the Edoid Ogotun but it is the same as the Yoruba one. Joseph is Yusuf and Joshua is Yashua. Lamurudu is Nimrod. It is the language of the pronounces that differs.
The Olukumi people are around five communities but Ugbodumila is the biggest. They are cut off from other Yoruba people by Edoid groups and obviously they were a part of the old Benin empire since even Akure and some Ekiti were part too or are you debating that?. The Olukumi are not small in population or achievement. Only that their place was not developed into a city and they are scattered as a result. They speak both Yoruba and Igbo What you need to know is that it was impossible to administer the Benin empire with Edo language. That is not at all possible. You might want to say the capital spoke Edo and Yoruba but you would be wrong. Edo speaking in the capital started only after the decline of the empire and that is the minimum that should be expected. I am only fighting this battle to set the records straight because if something is A it will be wrong to describe it for posterity as B That is the issue. Focus on propagating the new Benin and not on reinventing or rewriting history

Ologbo147:
is the word Ogiame Yoruba, that is the title of the Itsekiri monarch, if the city and even the palace that sent him out did not speak Bini or Edo, how then did he come up with such titles . The Oba and the city people has always in time past spoke undiluted sweet Bini


Please I would relish those Portuguese accounts if you still have access to them

I am not saying the language spoken in the suburbs will have no effect on the capital but Benin itself is a Yoruba word meaning anger or vexation and it was Oranmiyan that gave the city that name because the indigenes vexed him. Or is Ibinu an Edo word? The real title of the Warri monarch includes Atuwatse and Olu which are Yoruba words. The Ifa you people say is non existent in Benin is the national theology of the Itsekiri with the 256 signs. Ogiame itself is a combination of Yoruba and Edo which means King of the waters Ogi is king in Edo while Omi is water in Yoruba, I wouldn't know if it is water in Edo as well. Itsekiri in all ramifications are not different from Ilaje or Owo people or even Ijebu and their monarch that came from the Benin capital was a Yoruba man in all ramifications

Ologbo147:
you did not give any academic proofs, the interpretation you gave for Agenebode and Ughoton, as I said before, are clearly out of place, worst still, you have no lettered proof to back up your interpretations

you can give several interpretations to a word you feel you know in another persons tribe. I gave an example of Osadebe- Igbo, Osadebawmen-Bini which many persons thought were similar before now.

it is left for the tribal people to say if it is correct or not, Ughoton and Agenobode do not speak Yoruba, and those interpretations you have are not in tune with reality.

Ugbodumila is clearly Yoruba, and they have tales of migrations from Owo.

Redbonesmith has clearly debunked the Yoruba meaning you guys gave to Onitsha before now.

Esan and Bini are both dialects of the same language, Edo was not restricted to Benin city now, Ughoton you gave a meaning not in tandem with reality is a Bini settlement. And is not in anyway close to the capital, even till date, it has still not been eaten by the capital, there are some settlements that speak Bini that are farther from Bini more than Akure is to Ado Ekiti, Edo or Bini is a full tribe, with hundreds of towns and villages aside Benin city. Worthy mention of them is Udo that is 30 miles away from the city, Ugo -82 kilometers away from the city, Urhonigbe- 120 kilometers away from the city and they are all Bini speaking settlements

Agenebode is an Etsako settlement. You have to ask the Etsako people the meaning of Agenebode and not assume the meaning.

It has always been the language of the capital and other Bini settlements in the Capital , if not how else would the Itsekiri monarch that migrated from the city and even the royal palace get the name Ogiame- a trademark Bini title in the Edoid which directly translates to King over the riverine areas

It was actually from an article in the papers written by a Benin elder that I knew the meaning of Agenebode. He explained that it means Ago onibode meaning outpost of the sentry and that is the name given by Yoruba people though it is not a Yoruba town. It is just like Ago Iwoye and other Ago like that. The same is true for Ughotoun which is just a wrong spelling of Ogotun which is a town in Ekiti. Ogotun is the mythical city of Olodumare which is why Olodumare is called Agotun. I did not give any Yoruba meaning to Onitsha but Onitsha people themselves say they came from Benin and Dr Emeagwali said decades ago when an old Onitsha man spoke the language of the ancestors, no one present could understand. What other language can it be more than a Yoruba dialect since a few miles away Ugbodumila still speak pure Yoruba. Those are my points.

Stoplying:
Shvt up, you are a f**l.

Are you mad?. Who is your age mate?

Stoplying:
Still no evidence!
Benin empire which was known for warfare, you believe a subject of the baale of Ibadan was about to take over Benin empire 🤣
Lawani, we have talked before, many years ago, you have not changed, you are still dvmb and f**lish
Even the British describe Benin as a kingdom which terrifies its neighbours!

There was Benin empire which went down centuries ago, the new Benin has been conquered severally by a number of neighbours including Akure that was collecting tributes from them before Ogedengbe came on behalf of Ibadan and was the last person to take tribute from Benin before the Kiriji war. Can Benin empire have existed when Ibadan was at its peak?. Benin empire was centuries ago.