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Stoplying:
Ok, I'm done, I've tried to be nice, eventhough I had to walk through insults. You yarri.ba obsession about us Edo is what will bring your doom.
I refrained from telling you your history because I know you hate to hear it, you find it offensive, that is why you keep trying to still Benin history. I told you to leave us alone and if you must make a fake history to feel better, then leave my people out of it, you didn't listen.

Here is true Yoruba history: (your ancestors were conquered slaves)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0f53aYJElw

Nobody wants to rule your land. That era is over.

Stoplying:
So basically, you are intellectually lazy, too lazy to do proper research, therefore Wikipedia is right. That is your argument 😂
And I guess, I am wrong to actually do proper research, and to look for eyewitness written documents, since a 15 year old Yoruba kid who moderates on Wikipedia has already decided history for me.

I curse the fact the British put us together.
After I gave all the explanation, all you do now is to claim that eyewitness written documents is a notion which doesn't exist and Wikipedia is right because it is Wikipedia, and you don't have to do the work to know history, you can be lazy, therefore wiki is right since it allows you to be lazy... Madman logics.

But if the British did not put you together you would be under Ibadan. It was Ogedengbe of Ijesa that collected the last tribute from Benin

Stoplying:
1) Greek empire
2) Roman empire
3) ottoman empire
4) Persian empire
5) Ethiopian empire
6) kingdom of France (until school became compulsory and a unique language policy was imposed)

For a country to have one single language, it needs to have a school system where they teach that language to people and especially to the kids.

First of all, you guys use the expression "Lingua Franca" badly, it is because you keep thinking you can just copy European history and claim the same thing happened in Africa. European nobles had a common language because they started intermarrying at a certain period of time, and it is that common language which they call "Lingua Franca" and it was French ! But guess what, those guys were all related, they were cousins: the king of Russia was a cousin of the king of England and the king of Germany was also one of their relatives before ww1.

But there is no way a country can be run without a principal language of business. Nigeria has many languages and is multilingual but English is the lingua franca for state. In the Hellenistic world, it was Greek and everybody learnt it, for Rome, it was Latin, for the Ottoman Turks, it was Arabic, for the Persian empire, they had their language, for the British empire it was English but Norman French was spoken in English courts and it had a lot of influence on modern English. I daresay the British empire might have been French speaking if not that the British and not their government built the empire themselves with corporations but till today members of the House of Windsor learn French at home and English is most influenced by Norman French because of that. They share almost identical vocabulary. The Sokoto caliphate spoke Hausa, the Oyo spoke Yoruba. The Benin, Ijesa, Ijebu spoke their dialects of Yoruba which was mutually intelligible. Benin Yoruba is like Owo or Itsekiri, Ilaje etc. In the Benin empire, the capital spoke Yoruba and all the major towns but there were non Yoruba speaking enclaves that were tributaries but it appears they were loosely attached. The Dahomey people who were part of Oyo speak Yoruba till today along with Fon and French. European nobles never had a common language. Where are you reading your history from?. What is correct is that some of them were multilingual due to intermarriages. England has had a King that spoke only German originally but he was a descendant of the house of Windsor. If you say franca means french does franchise mean French too?. It may be so but it does not mean all European nobles spoke French. English nobles spoke French only because William the Norman spoke only French and he was a French man and founder of the house of Windsor. Not all European nobility were founded from France and even William the Norman was French of Viking descent. Once again there is no country where multiple languages are spoken as language of the capital or of business. There is always a language that high ranking people must understand and for the Benin empire, it was Yoruba. You don't need to have a school system to have an official language. Official language is language of courts, tax collectors, soldiers and etc, other people will be left alone so far they remain compliant with taxes. People then in the Benin suburbs were left alone, however they are the actual owners of the land of the capital but they were not the ones that built the empire and the Ogba, Ikwerre, Onitsha and etc people descend in the main from the Yoruba speaking Benin capital though obviously some people from the suburbs would be moving with them but communication with headquarters will be in Yoruba. I have read Portuguese accounts of Yoruba prayers to Imale okun in the Benin capital. It was rendered Mo be o, mo be o, umale okun, mo be o...I beseech you umale okun...while pouring offering on the ground. Is that Edo language?. If it is, it is also everyday Yoruba etc etc

Apart from Benin empire that you claim to be multilingual. Can you mention another empire in history with no lingua franca, that was multilingual like the Benin empire as you claim, that had no language of business used across the length of the state for easy administration?

Stoplying:
So he asked you for evidence and you provided him with done more unsubstantiated claims 🤣
Were you there thousands of years ago to see the situation which you describe ? No, therefore how did you get to know what you describe ? Where is the evidence ?
It doesn't suffice to just say something, you have to prove it !
Benin was a multi linguistic empire like most empires, and once again you seem to schizophrenicaly confuse Benin kingdom with its capital Benin city, also you don't seem to understand that what you have today and what you had 1000 years ago are two different situations.
And even today the Edo language is not restricted to Benin city, it has many variants including Anioma, Esan...
Do you know how annoying it is to have outsiders coming up to tell you (without evidence) to tell you your "history" ? Even when evidence contradicting the outsiders appears, all you see is modification of story or repeat of claim.

This whole thing is just about one thing: why are you guys obsessed with us? Talk about yourself, leave us alone.

It often seems you still do not understand that there is no need for debate since our region has been visited since the 1400's by people who wrote down what they saw. Oh, you do understand that, and that is why you guys pushed your fables back to one thousand years ago ! Because I and a few others kept debunking your claims with eye witness written documents! To make your baseless claims, you need a period of time which was not covered by history.
It doesn't even occure to you that it is impossible to say what happened 1000 years ago without eyewitness written documents! You still believe all you need to do is just create a story and tell it.

Are you educated at all?. I gave you academic proofs of things still existing today, what evidence more valid than that do you want?. I did not download anything from the internet. Ogotun, Agenebode, Ugbodumila and Onitsha are living things. How can you say they need to be proved and then claim you are an academic?. Esan is an Edoid language under the YEAI. It is more or let us say as different from Benin language as Oyo is different from Igala. The L1 languages of Anioma are Igbo, Yoruba (Olukunmi) and Igala. There are no Edoid languages there at all. Edo is restricted to Benin city. Edo was a provincial language of the empire, spoken in the suburbs of the capital in the past but now it is the language of Benin city but it was never the language of the Benin empire but the people that invited the Yoruba there were Edo and they renamed their capital to Ife Ibinu which later became Benin.

Ologbo147:
please can you drop some materials that supports your argument of a Yoruba speaking empire. I would relish it, thank you

Do you have any material for an Edo speaking empire?. I have given you names of Benin towns established from the capital and the fact that the whole place is hemmed in by Yoruba speaking communities that are not even contiguous with each other or with the rest of Yoruba land and I have pointed out that for thousands of years Edo was spoken only in the Benin suburbs and is local only to Benin today with communities two miles away not able to understand the current Benin language. What other material do you need again?. You have Yoruba deities and have Ifa and Ogboni derived from the Yoruba etc though they say Ogboni was recently introduced. However today Benin is Edo and it is okay like that but history should be stated correctly.

MyExpression:
Exactly.

We have to keep finding a way to live together in harmony...or split back into our territory.

Afterall, the British is no longer here to force us to keep living together.
If the union isn't working...go ur separate ways

Some people are afraid but why will an ethnic nation with 500,000 people on its land be afraid of anything?. That is almost 2 billion dollars in GDP since everybody is adding something and a slice of it will be for the government. That is the way I see it

tctrills:
Again you are wrong. There is not British law against saying that you built London and trust me, the Brits would not even take such a person serious. They don't have time the way our people do.
Today, I can go on CNN and claim that my father owns America but as long as I don't break the law, no one will touch me. That's how civilized people behave.

Of course they will not be violent since you were not violent. Only violence will be met with violence but there is always a reaction for every action

Cantonese:
I simply use the “mu” in the Aremu to remind you that you are a complete mumu.

First you must get proper education. Your English is so poor and disgraceful. Your English gives you away as unlearned.

Your foolishness should have told you that the people who you are your baba so pe generation call poor, sell the phone in your hand presently.

Your poor mentality has not even allowed you to know that everything that makes you live, including the drugs that keep your foolish self alive, are sold by them. They dominate your life on all fronts. Unfortunately your poverty infested life makes you think other people suffer the same fate.

You are truly a mumu.

Someone selling phones in faraway Lagos as a wholesaler is not the one dominating phone retail in all of Yoruba land and not only Igbos are phone wholesalers in Lagos. When retailers make 2000 wholesalers may make just 100 or 50 on the same item. What about big businesses like petrol stations, bakeries, pure water factories and etc. Pharmaceutical companies in Ilesa are not owned by Igbos. Commercial buses alone buy up to 5 million naira fuel a day in Ilesa leaving out okadas and private vehicles. Hundreds of pure water factories selling millions every month, how much of that is dominated by Igbos who are mostly traders?. Is there any Yoruba or Hausa city where ten percent of the buildings are owned by Igbos?. I don't understand what you mean by saying Igbos are dominating the SW. People come from all over the country to the SW to buy Tokunbo cars and ninety percent of the dealers are Yoruba and it is only in Lagos that a small percentage are Igbos.

tctrills:
Oga, it seems you don't understand what we are talking about here. You make important points but that's for another topic. Again one should not be afraid of directing attention to himself in his own country. I have lived in other countries and no one asked you not to direct attention to yourself. Are you trying to take away people's right of expression?

You don't seem to understand. If Yorubas in the UK are directing attention to themselves by saying they built London and are better off than British people then they are going to have issues in Britain and that is not even debateable

MyExpression:
Wahala.
E no go easy to govern three states joined together...yet with different religious and cultural leaning.
There's no homogeneity amongst them.
Really hard to govern.

That means Kwara go big well well o.

Funny enough, we rarely hear of conflicts in Kwara state. They are rarely in the news for anything good/bad.

Aside from more state separation what can be done......no one seems to be complaining tho, except outsiders like us, showing brotherly concern...coz man is born free, and should live free.

The problem is how to create the states. There was a laid down procedure left by the British but the current constitution have messed it up. The existence of the Senate is the biggest impedance. There are clamors for state creation but the first step is to dissolve the Senate. Who will dissolve the Senate?. However the majority of Nigerian ethnic groups want to control their territory as used to be the case before colonisation

MyExpression:
Setting up a new state and council administration is very expensive.

Can Ilorin sustain herself in terms of resources et al?

Remember the backlash Tinubu got from Obasanjo when he increased Lagos state's LGAs

Aside that, are the indigenous Yoruba people of Ilorin willing to relinquish their rights to the Nupe people

Lands are owned by conquest or ancestral settlement.
The war is over. They have been well compensated.

Let the real owners of the land breathe.

Ilorin, Jebba, Offa are different states lumped together by Nigeria in a strange Kwara state the meaning of which is not known to any native of the area

MyExpression:
Thanks for the information.

Buh it seems crass, that we'd be running two parallel traditional stool in one state.

Kwara will not annex Ilorin to the caliphate.

Well, let everyone follow their cultural heritage and respect other people's culture...but it should be clear, who has the veto power, when conflict arises as a result of this parallel kings ruling different people in the same space.

Just like cosmopolitan Lagos...everyone knows there is only one Oba as far as lagos land mass is concerned.
The Oba is the highest trad stool in the land...no conflicts with another king

It is because of the cumbersome state creation system. Ilorin is one state. Offa another state, Jebba, Bariba, Igbomina and etc. All have more population than many UN member sovereign states

Tomek09:
Agbo sellers in the SouthEast are more wretched than those you mock. Okponu jati jati

Do they have stalls or they go about hawking?. I don't encourage not having a fixed address. Advise any of them you see to have a fixed joint even if under a tree. Agbo is a product that will never die. The industry is comparable to the brewery industry. The market is there. They are selling majority water and a water seller can never go bankrupt.

tctrills:
Now let's test your theory that non indigenes are stressing the SW economy.

Let's make some assumptions and calculations
1. Assume that there are 2 million non indigenous households in the SW.

2. Let's assume they pay an average of 100k for housing per year. That equals 200 billion.

3. Again let's assume each household spends 200k on feeding per year. That equals 400 billion.

4. Now let's assume that half of these households own businesses and have to rent space. They pay 100k per year. That equals 100 billion.

5. These people use transportation. Let's assume another 200k per year as transport is now very expensive. That's another 400 billion

6. They buy other household needs. They pay bills such as NEPA and school fees. Let's assume another 400 billion per year.

Now explain how an additional 1.5 trillion to the SW economy is not a blessing.

These people are making the region more viable and competitive.
Their contributions alone is more than the IGR of the entire region. So oga how are the stressing your economy?

Yes. I had a friend that grew up in Enugu and others I met that grew up in Aba, many others in PH and they are Yorubas. In the old Eastern region are millions of Yoruba who also swell up the economy in the same way you described but if there is no decorum there will be issues. Yoruba have the numbers and investments in PH, Kaduna and etc too and Hausas too but they don't direct attention to themselves and they bow to the dominant culture on ground. In conclusion a sparsely populated city is better than a city with a huge percentage of the population as belligerents. That is the issue. Yorubas can only succeed in Igbo land by cooperating with Igbos. That is the only way.

The capital of Benin empire was a Yoruba city of around 50k people and it was illegal to speak any language in the city other than Yoruba but Edo was maintained in the suburbs outside the palace walls. Edo was not spoken outside that area for thousands of years before colonisation but Yoruba is spoken up to Onitsha in the past while it is still spoken in Ugbodu Delta state today and these are evidences of Benin being a Yoruba empire with Yoruba lingua franca and other provincial languages like Edo. It was Edo people themselves that invited the Yoruba to be administering them according to the direction of their oracle. These Yorubas established towns and gave them Yoruba names like Ago onibode ie Agenebode a sentry post, also Ughotoun which is Ogotun the Yoruba city of Olodumare. Benin empire could not have been possible without the Yoruba language and this is not even debatable as the language still transcends that territory even today and all European records show Yoruba being spoken in the capital. Edo people entered the city when the empire fell and the bulk of the original Benin elite left the capital in large numbers according to an account I read. However today the Benin King is Edo and that is okay but arguing about something that can't be denied is not academic. The capital and the empire was Yoruba or was it Edo language that was being used as lingua franca? Which language was lingua franca? because Edo today can't be understood next door to Benin city. Albeit you can keep your narrative but it can be very annoying. It is illiteracy because the facts speak for itself.

Dest8sman:
SE is always poorer than SW in the pages of newspapers and statistics chunned out people from the SW, but when that is matched with reality they feal offended.

Nigerian cities are the same but Lagos government is the only viable government in the country yet Lagos has no advantage of living space like other states. In Osun, it can be possible to capture easily over one million personal income tax payers from private school teachers, hotel workers, factory workers, pure water factories, bakeries, poultry workers, sales people, beverage companies, pharmaceutical companies, universities, petrol stations, manufacturers and etc. 1 million can be captured and among them working in the private sector are people collecting over 3 million per month as expatriates. Minimum wage can be 50k and if u can't pay then don't employ. Very simple. More than 30 billion per month will be the revenue within a year and within twenty years if no state copies Osun, then Osun will surpass Lagos in population. Osun used to have a much higher population than Lagos say in the 1900s and this thing can be done by any state but only Lagos is doing it at maybe 25 percent efficiency. Imagine what 30 billion naira per month can do in Osun state. It can be possible to get a Tata or Tesla etc franchise to be located in the state. That is the approach. What is applicable to Osun is applicable to any other state in the country because they all have GDP in billions of dollars per annum

DodadaKoKigbe:
We know the investment is still there, the question is WHERE is the PROFITS? We know some of it ended up in Peter Obi's pockets since the brewery is his family business and he was chairman of the bank. He MUST account or face firing squad within 48 hours.

Part of the profit are the people working in the Onitsha breweries, getting paid to spend the money in Onitsha economy but in a normal economy an investment should yield profit as well apart from other benefits but how many public companies pay dividends?. Not paying dividends is why the value of the investment is shrinking but the company itself is in good shape

DodadaKoKigbe:
I love this, lets start with peter obi. He MUST explain what happened to the profits that accrued from investing Anambra's money in his bank and brewery.

The investment is still there and the benefit is Anambra people on IBPlc board and the brewery in Onitsha. However it is said to have shrunk in value but IBPlc is a company that will never die and government should have stakes in such companies. If the stock exchange is abolished hopefully then the company may be run in such a way that steady dividends will accrue to Anambra as a state in addition to brewery location

Military rule is never a solution. What a nation needs is for every income earner to be a direct and not an indirect financial member of the nation via personal income tax, the next thing needed for viable governance is the certainty that a government can be sacked without notice by the workers' council because absolute power always corrupts absolutely

Anybody government that kill people for stealing is not the one Niger have been waiting for. Punishment should not greatly outweigh the crime. What is the advantage of shorting the population by one for no just reason. Only murderers deserve to be killed. Human life is sacred

On the devaluation of the naira

There are only two ways to devalue a currency and these are by printing more and by reducing the number of people that accept it as legal tender. All other factors that affect the value of a currency are tangential and their effect is more or less negligible.
There is no nation that does not earn forex and before oil became a thing, Nigeria was earning forex from agriculture and etc. Today, Russia is earning a lot of forex from agriculture despite having oil. Ethiopia is earning forex from agriculture. The same is true for Ghana, Cote D'Ivoire and even Nigeria etc and if the world is equalized today, the agric portion of Nigeria's forex earnings will rise sharply as the value of oil tumbles by up to ninety percent. Therefore there is a lot of avenue to earn forex from especially in these days of online remote working. Forex earners for Nigeria include remittances which alone should be more than oil money, cocoa, coffee, charcoal, Nollywood which also is said to be bigger than oil, cotton, cashew, kolanuts, palm kernel shell and many other commodities not to mention the infamous Nigerian online scammers. Therefore if everything is checked, oil forex may not be more than ten to twenty percent of the whole but people earning this forex are not allowed uninhibited access to their own dollars just because the government want to control all the dollars and apportion it as they wish to their cronies. They had a dual exchange rate. 450 for government friends and 750 for lay people. Then if you are operating such a system, you should expect the CBN governor to become a dollar billionaire after like two weeks of being appointed. This is why it is sad that some people are asking for a return to the system of exchange rate dichotomy when the right thing to do is to compel the government to liberalize the operation of domiciliary accounts and also share oil revenue to the states in dollars. Why do the government want power over other people's dollars in addition to their power to print the naira anyhow?. This government of Bola Tinubu is on record to be the one to increase money in circulation by sixteen percent in a single month probably in a bid to spite the world bank. That is the kind of person leading the country.

Be fair to fellow human beings and fight evil doers. That is the only law of God. Anything outside of that is traditions and traditions are not laws of God. Don't use mind manipulation and fuckery to force your traditions on other human beings. When you do that, you are doing religion and when you now issue threats to back it up, it becomes evil.

TONYE001:
"unless there is a congenital anomaly..."

Gist is it is that gene carrying the male function that makes the man, not the Y chromosome only. With an XY, you will still be female, if the Y is not carrying the necessary gene or another gene that has mutated to perform its functions

TONYE001:
Your assumptions are rather funny. I know the things I let my children watch.

I say again, whether neonates, infants, or adolescents, if not for media, NONE would have come out claiming to feel like another gender. This goes to show you how unnatural this is.

There are different levels of sex determination. The basic of them all is chromosomal sex determination. A man, whether born with a penis or not, will ALWAYS have an XY mix, unless there is an anomaly. Is it normal for an individual to be born without a sex organ? Why don't you compare with people with normal biology? Because your addiction is an anomaly! You had to resort to comparing your situation with people with congenital anomalies!

Come out of your fantasies, no one is after my kids. They are having a very healthy childhood, enjoying their lives to the fullest, so, forget that thing.

They say a man can also be XX but one of the X will carry a gene that should normally be carried by the Y for male functions but the man will be infertile or sub fertile. A woman can also be XY if the Y does not carry the necessary gene that carries the male function. Such a person will be female but often infertile but some can be fertile because one X is all that is needed if it has no defect at all as the other allelle is just for balancing. I can't remember the name of the gene carrying the male function.

Lagos does not have more non indigenes than PH or Kaduna by percentage. Why the fixation on Lagos?. No group is more travelled in the country than Yorubas, why are the Yorubas not saying they want to take over non Yoruba lands?. A Maiduguri Arab told me there are more Yoruba in Maiduguri than Igbo. Yoruba may not be found heavily inside markets but they are in every city too as artisans, bank workers, oil workers, traders, business men, taxi drivers, civil servants, clergy and etc. No group is more dispersed than the other within Nigeria and every city in Europe or North America where they were counted always show Yoruba up to three times the number of Igbos atimes. Go to Accra, Lome, Abidjan and you will get the same kind of results that was published in the US census. No Igbo state should take a non Igbo identity ditto for Yoruba, Hausa and etc states. Let everything be as it is because the era of struggling over territory has ended. All groups have their domain

Flamemignon1:
No I would not applaud and yes I will be empathetic but if it's a final decision, I literally have no say in it,so what do you want to do? Are you going to chain a person down to infringe on their right to free will? Even if it's someone you know,as long as they are an adult, there's nothing you can do but talk to them and still show them the beauty of life but the final decision is their's to make,not yours.
Moreover,most people who commit suicide rarely tell people before they do

Government can make sex change illegal and your documents will always carry your sex as determined by other people and this is what Russia has done.

biina:
Not sure if you are being disingenous, clueless or just stupid?

To "unify" is to make every rate the same value (i.e. no more official vs black market rate), while "floating" is how the CBN claimed it would be achieved.

"Stupid" is every Nigerian believing that things will get better with thieves in power,

They have control of majority of dollars including the ones not earned by the government which gives them room to manipulate the market added to their power to print any amount of currency. When the currency was floated the value rose but they manipulated with their power for a while for the exchange rate not to drop then they mass printed more naira to frustrate the masses so that it will look as if the stupid system of dual exchange rate is the best! The dual exchange rate is a major means of stealing money because as a government friend, you can make five hundred million dollars in a single day if you are rightly connected

Franzinni:
oga lawani go to yaba left and get a check up becasue this your rambling is similar to the fairytale constructed and forged in a mind that is plagued with an acute form of skitzo.

I once knew a guy who said and believed vehemently that Celine Dion was his mother and he was abandoned at birth eventually we heard he was roaming the streets. I say this to you out of concern regardless of how you perceive it... If you don't take anything from my interaction with you, just take this if you like, your write up sounds too good to even be imaginable than to be true and you know when people hear or come across information that sounds like yours it usually points to some mental problems.

You will eventually die of mental problems even sooner than I intended if you don't get off my mentions.

If you don't engage in massive naira printing then the nites in circulation will be reducing from loss and etc and the value will continue rising steeply! You are of course free to print but there is no need to manipulate people with flowery words. Why also are people not allowed to receive dollars from abroad without inhibition?. Is their own legitimate earnings not their property again? Kindly allow people to receive dollars from abroad and change it at their convenience because any other way is tyranny. God bless