₦airaland Forum

Usenokpevbo:
Are you counting the entire Delta and Edo state as part of south west?

No. Just the small towns that are Yoruba speaking. There are a number of them.

Usenokpevbo:
my brother Tiv is a major minority group, Tiv is big o, in 1952 , Tiv was 765 thousand, that same year, Igala was 295,000 thousand. That is two times and half the population of Igala,

Tiv can single handedly win elections in Benue state. They are 80% of the population of Benue state. They control a senatorial district in Nassarawa state.

Igala cannot win elections on their own in Kogi state, they at most make up 45 percent of the state. Their town in delta state and Edo is just one one. Ilushi is not more than 20,000 and Ebu on the other hand will not be more than 30,000

You are probably correct. My error is because I have never been there but I know they are much. It means they are close to Yoruba population in the North central but do you think they can be higher in number than the Yoruba in the zone?. Makurdi is their chief city while Ilorin is the biggest Yoruba city in the area

Usenokpevbo:
outside Lagos? They will be at most 35 million. They don’t have any sizeable community in the south south, outside itsekiris, the ones in Edo State are not more than 100,000

If Lagos is 20 million, then the remaining SW will be 50 million. People on It sekiri land will be close to one million Urhobo will be more.

I made allowance for the possibility ofLagos being lower than twenty million

Usenokpevbo:
Tivs are far more than Igala, they are up to two times or more the size of Igala. They have well over 5.5 million. They have eighty percent of the population of Benue state. And about 20 percent of the population of Nassarawa and they are also present in Taraba. Igala would be at most 2.5 million

It can be possible but which are their towns in those states?. Igala people are in Kogi, Delta, Anambra etc with towns. I served in Igala but have never been to Tiv land

If you list the important cities and towns of North central, then you will agree Yoruba are more than any other

Usenokpevbo:
you pitting Yoruba and Igala above Tiv shows you don’t have an idea of the composition of the people in the north central. Tivs are the largest group in the north central follow by Yorubas because of their presence in Kwara and Kogi obviously then Igala

Tivs are plenty but they can not surpass Yoruba in Kwara, Kogi and Niger.They might be at par with Igala

Usenokpevbo:
there are no 50 million in other parts of the west. Ondo and Osun are not more than 5.million each and that’s a stretch. Ekiti would not be more than three million. Oyo cannot be more than 8 million. Ogun should be around that mark. The entire population of south west would be at most 50
Million.

I mean Yoruba land not south west alone. It includes part of North central and south south. I think they should be up to that. Land on which Yoruba is spoken

Okada691:
They might be up to that number in Anambra, but then that is Anambra, it might still be an exaggeration. I saw the thread you talked about, even many yorubas who has been to Anambra on that thread doubted that figure, because there is a way the mind play on us. I will give you the 500k in Anambra, yorubas everywhere else in Igbo land will not be up to the 500k in Anambra. If at all, there are 500k Yorubas in Anambra, It is because Anambra is a heavy business place hosting 3 cities with life in them which are Onitsha, Akwa, Nnewi. I doubt it is up to at most they will be 300,000 there, even the Yorubas on that Nairaland thread where it was posted doubted. And the population of the Yorubas there are not constant as majority come for work and they leave when they are done with their business.

An Igbo woman in Enugu told you hausa people might outnumber Igbo there, that is a far cry from the truth, that is what we call hyperbolic statements in literature. Over exaggeration for the sake of emphasis. This is precipitated by the fact that they do settle in clusters, In quarters they inhabit, they usually settle alone, so when you go to these quarters, with about ten, 11, 12 street, you see their dense settlements of about 40 thousand , but really that is all to their population as compared to their greater part of Enugu. Ilesa people might be there bit they are very few. They are not sizeable. That is how they settle everywhere else.

Lagos is far more cosmopolitan than Kaduna,
Abuja, Portharcourt and Onitsha, for a lot of people leaving school, to get jobs that the pay is weighty, they tell you to come to Lagos,

Entertainment be it comedy, movies, the music industry to become a star, Lagos is the only choice and no where else.

The viable and full working ports in Nigeria are all based in Lagos.

Even the population for business is there, which drives many Igbos to that place and make them see it as the bride city in Nigeria.

No state could have done it, the city is fueled by the fact that it was the capital city of Nigeria for 85 years, it has very viable ports which attracted a lot of people from other parts of the country to it, and then where there is more population, every other thing works, it then became the entertainment hub in Nigeria, which In turn many other persons to it, the lag government has very few things to do with it.

Igbos investment in Lagos, ogun state, Ibadan and many other triples that of Yorubas by far, in Kano most of the houses in sabon gari are owned by the Igbos, even kaduna and many other places in the north. Their investment in Lagos is very huge. Igbos investment in Nigeria if you match it teeth to teeth with that of Yorubas, it’s more than three times that of Yoruba by a mile.

The Hausas usually hand out settlements because they don’t want a mix, an alteration, an adulteration of their culture, they don’t want any short skirts girl settling among them, that does not mean the population of Igbos in Lagos that settle among Yoruba people would not fill 5 sabon garis in Kano. That does not mean that Lagos is not by far a more cosmopolitan enclave than Kano.

Yorubas eighty percent of Lagos? You are a clown. Yorubas will not be eighty percent of Ogun state presently as we speak, if you know what is good for you, go and drive those Igbos out of your land. The combined population of Igbos in Yoruba land cannot be less than 7 million and the ones in Lagos are at the very least 4 million, that is a very figure in today’s world. Yorubas at most will be 8 million today in Lagos.

That is a lie, there is no city in Kano where Yorubas surpass Igbo, i have been to all the major cities in Kano, From sabon gari to wudil, Rano, Dala even in their villages as far as garko, i still saw an Igbo Man there.

Even in kaduna, there is still sizeable population of Igbos, From kaduna, to kanfanchan to Zaria. The population of Yorubas in kaduna main town is sizeable,but then again the number of Igbos in kafanchan, Jos,makurdi,Yola,even Zaria is very large, even in Abuja, the number of Igbos is shocking that elrufai was quoted to say that Igbos own 70 percent of the properties in Abuja. I don’t know if the Igbos went there to school but day to day interface in these towns unveils you to more Igbos than Yorubas.

How many Yoruba women do you think are living in the East with their Igbo husbands?. Yoruba oil workers, federal civil servants, artisans, telecomms workers, bank workers, pastors. Yoruba in the SE are not less than two million and SE will be around 25 million people.Igbos in the West are not more than SS or Northerners by any means but the business they do is different. Urhobos are heavily settled in the SW too. If it is only 1000 a day Yoruba spend per Capita in the SE, is that not money?. I don't know what you mean by Igbo investment times three of Yoruba in Nigeria. How many Igbos can boast of one million naira income per month?. Most people like that in Nigeria are more of Yoruba and we can list the business they do. What are the particular businesses you are talking about?. Selling in shops while paying rent to the owner is not much of an investment and that is what you are counting and if you count total traders, Yoruba will surpass Igbos but each are specialized in different directions. Produce buying even in the East is Yoruba controlled. Electronics is Igbo controlled but even Alaba electronics is thirty percent Yoruba. If in income and everything visible, Yoruba have more, so where is the investment you are talking about?. Name the companies and their CEOs, visible market share, staff strength and etc.
Then Lagos port is not as busy as Cotonou and Cotonou is not as populated as Ogbomosho. What are the Igbo investment in Ogun and Lagos that triple Yoruba?. Well if they exist they are still Yoruba investment. Just like if Glo incorporate in the coming Biafra, it will be a Biafran company. Even the Indians, Chinese Lebanese who sometimes are aided by foreign capital have not invested more than Yorubas in Yoruba land. Do you know the meaning of that?. Petrol stations, hotels, schools, pure water factories, breweries, bakeries, brick making, cement, food processing,haulage, pharmaceuticals, beverages, manufacturing, car assembly, private universities, elite secondary schools, mining, honey making, poultry, fisheries, large scale farming, vegetable oil production and etc. 90 percent of these things in Yoruba land are under Yoruba control. Igbos maybe five to ten percent of total traders but are specialized in some trading sectors.
Everywhere counting is possible in the North like in the universities, Yoruba have always surpassed Igbos. Yoruba in Lagos should be up to eighty percent because Igbos are mainly in trading and if you count all traders in all markets at the highest, they will be thirty percent. Ten percent of income earners in Lagos are civil servants of which at least eighty percent will be Yoruba and ninety percent of workers remaining are going to be A mix of bus drivers, carpenters, tailors, petrol station owners, petty traders, vulcanisers, hairdressers, barbers, hoteliers, private school teachers, bank workers, car dealers, bricklayers, painters, plumbers etc. How many of these trades are dominated by Igbos?. Majority of petty traders in Lagos are Yoruba. I just used eighty percent as an estimate no that I am sure Epe, Badagry and even Ikorodu are in Lagos too and they are still traditionsl Yoruba towns. Lagos island, VI are highly populated and largely filled with many government buildings and quarters. Hausa Kannywood do not reckon with Lagos and they have succeeded. So no big deal in Lagos entertainment. Lagos is not more cosmopolitan than PH and I believe Kaduna. The level of Yoruba presence in PH is at par if not more than Igbo presence in Lagos. El Rufai's statement has been shown to be wrong but that is not the issue here. There is no border against migration so everybody is moving and anywhere you like stay there but as Igbos, you have a distinct land and anything done by Yorubas on Hausa land is counted for Hausa land. Ditto for others. When there is proper census for planning purposes in post Nigeria nations then we will have real data and speculations will end. For now real data like university communities show more Yoruba than Igbo. Don't be saying Igbos have invested three times in Yoruba land than the natives again as not up to 0.1 percent of assets on Yoruba land is Igbo owned

AntiChristian:
Who is the real God?

What is your human language?. All human languages have their word for God referring to the same King of spirits and father of all

Fujiyama:
^^^
Your original post was:


My post (in reference to you) was:


I have noted your point - my use of the word 'must' implies a degree (however small) of uncertainty...whereas you said you are certain (i.e. 100% sure) that Bola Tinubu went to CSU. Fair enough.

But...my point still stands: there is absolutely no causal relationship between a CSU degree and a job with top tier companies - and your original comment up there explicitly makes this claim. CSU is not by any standard a top tier US university in teaching and/or research...so if any such claim (of attractiveness to top employers) is to be made, it cannot be made by the CSUs of this world...or their proxies.



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Well...since you brought up the matter, it would be nice if you provided a little bit more detail and context. 460k (not 400k) US dollars is a lot of money to forfeit to uncle sam...and that typically isn't the fine for speeding tickets or parking violations. It would be good if you cleared the air for the benefit of the youngsters among us.



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Well...I haven't made any 'allegations' so far. I also haven't defamed anyone...so far. So you probably are referring to others, right?

Do you think Tinubu worked in Exxon Mobil?.No he did not. He was in the US to do drugs

AntiChristian:
Just as you are obsessed with my moniker!

You started with several lies! When will you repent from your last lies? Christian liar! How was Jesus killed by his father? How was John the Baptist beheaded as a Birthday gift? Pray to die like them! Serial liar!

Allah is not Jewish belonging to a tribe! He is the Lord of all that exists! He doesn't belong to Muhammad alone!

Get this in to your cranial matter!

You are not talking about the real God that is not a mad man burning holy people in hell for unbelief

Fujiyama:
^^^
You aren't likely to become a treasurer in Mobil Oil Nigeria (as it was then known) without being a qualified accountant or finance professional. Same thing holds true for Exxon Mobil Corp.

It can be first class because he can't lie about the degree and also lie about the honors. The news being bandied about is that he had first class and I heard it from his mouth on TV saying he had five job offers waiting after graduation but all his identity before going to CSU is hidden though he is actually from Iragbiji. He was a drug pusher and probably an ex convict too in the trade of stealing IDs to launder money but how the late Iyaloja came to be dragged into it is what is not clear and I don't think the lady Bola A Tinubu was his wife as that is one way to link the Iyaloja except the Iyaloja was into drugs as well but obviously the Bola A Tinubu was her daughter now late and she definitely was the Exxon Mobil staff. Everything will be uncovered in due course of time. Fools really are brave. The A will be a female Yoruba name

Fujiyama:
^^^

There was no first class honours degree.

One Bola A Tinubu graduated from CSU with first class honors. Is that wrong?. It just happens that the person is female and the Nigerian President is using the certificate. Obviously the person that graduated from CSU was the Exxon Mobil staff

Fujiyama:
^^^
First of all, you don't have to graduate from CSU to work for consulting firms or oil companies. It isn't a requirement. No relationship whatsoever.

Second, there is already a credibility problem with Badejo's video. Several other posters have already pointed out how they dismissed the video immediately they saw Donald Duke's pictures. Why then should we believe anything Badejo says?

Third, all of this online back and forth isn't really important. What's important is what the US judge rules in the case before him - and the implications of that ruling for the election tribunal and other courts at home. Atiku's legal team have made their submissions and the judge's ruling is what we are all waiting for.

Till then.

I don't understand. Can someone become a Treasurer in Exxon Mobil without being a professional? As in be an accounting professional?.

mandarin:
Yes igbo move and trade all over the North but to say they are more than the Yoruba is doubtful.
A town of Funtua in Katsina state was said to have been started by Kolanut trading Yoruba traders. I don't think there is any state in the north that Igbos can be more than Yoruba.
There are 19 Northern states. Kogi and Kwara are out because Yoruba are indigenous to those two states. ANiger is out because the Tapa and Yoruba are kinsmen and Yoruba have settled there for a long time leaving us with 16 states in contest.
I recalled when crisis happened in Jo's and people jumped into the conclusion that Igbos would have the highest loss but alas when the report came out, it was the Yoruba.
Many will be shocked if the actual census with all bio data is allowed to hold. Two things am sure may show are:
That Nigeria has more Christians than Muslims
That Yoruba would probably be the largest single ethnic group in Nigeria if the Fulani ethnic group is classified differently.

I agree withost if your submission but there is practically no wholly Fulani enclave in Nigeria maybe Gombe to an extent and you have to count them with the Hausa. Only the Bororo who are cattle rearers are distinct and we have Yoruba among them who have nowhere else to call home. The total number of Bororo in the country is negligible. Maximum is one hundred thousand if uo to that. So it is the rulers of the Sokoto caliphate you will count and they are Hausas. There is nothing like a separate Fulani identity from Hausa in reality. I can not say that Christians will outnumber Muslims in Nigeria as it is more like 50/50. Yoruba is almost exactly 50/50. Hausa is almost 100 percent Muslim while Igbo is almost 100 percent Christian. It cancels out at that point. Kaduna most probably is slightly majority Christian. Adamawa might be majority Christian like Kaduna. Benue is almost 100 percent Christian. Taraba, Plateau too and the rest in the North are majority Muslims. Adamawa and Kaduna are debatable but it will be close. In the South south, only a place like Auchi can be said to have a substantial Muslim population and the rest are Christians. If you are counting the cities, it will be
Lagos
Ibadan
Kano
Kaduna
Benin
Ogbomosho
Zaria
Port Harcourt
Maiduguri
Jos
Enugu/Ilorin/Onitsha/Ilesa/Ile Ife/Akure/Calabar/Warri/,Aba/Abakaliki/Owerri/Okene/Lokoja/Oyo/Iwo/Ede/Ila/Ado Ekiti/Umuahia/Sokoto/Katsina/Yola

So if you check all those cities by yourself by indigenes and residents, it will be hard to say that Christians or Muslims are larger in population than each other in Nigeria but official population figures are definitely wrong. I think SW, SS, NW, NC, NE and SE is the descending order of population size It is something around 50/50. In the North, only the NC will be split between the two religions and the largest ethnicity in the NC are the Yoruba then maybe the Igala, Tiv, Idoma etc Yoruba and Igala are split while Tiv and Idoma are Christians and the groups in Plateau like the Berom are Christians, so NC will have a slightly more Christian population. So it is very close indeed and I will not stake money either way

It is a clear case of identity theft and normally a brave jury will rule like that but they can also say he has not been accused of theft but of forgery because this is Nigeria and they can base their ruling on technicality but a father judging his children will not rule like that. The university has insisted that their transcript which says female is correct and if Tinubu should bring proof of gender re assignment he will have a solid case

Can you see that a pig will remain a pig no matter how well dressed. A drug lord from the USA took up the identity of a successful US based woman working in high management of a first tier US corporation which he was using to launder drug money and I will not be surprised if he is an ex convict too. He took up the new label of first class graduate and etc and started to mingle with people like MKO and etc but his old ways did not leave him. He was trusted because of the identity he has been brandishing which was worked for by a woman. The iyaloja supported him, so there was no reason to disbelieve him. We don't know how many people he killed in the US and Nigeria before joining Nigerian politics but he killed Engr Funsho Williams and that one is more or less certain. You can't buy class. If he steals the identity of someone like late President GHW Bush for only a week, anyone can estimate what the result would be. FOOLS ARE BRAVE!

Many of the parents of these kids are millionaires. People like Aminu Dantata were certainly brought up with Almajiri education. They teach them Ajami writing and mathematics, Islam religion and etc. It made the Jihad easy because all the youth were radicalized. The system is handover your son to a mallam and he will be following the Mallam around until graduation and they will be supported by the masses. Upon graduation, I think standard payment to teacher is one big ram and if you get twenty big rams a year apart from gifts then you are good. It is a hot climate and the kids are not really at risk but if they can at least modernize it fir it to be equivalent to primary school while they are taught modern subjects before secondary school, it will be better for the society but the best bet is to abandon the system and have government funded education to any level. It is however the system that has been producing Hausa scholars even Professors for the last five centuries. Nowadays it is outdated and it should at the minimum be modernized. Every human being can be a PhD for now all Hausas are literate if only in Ajami in the past they could go to Timbuktu Morocco, Egypt and even Andalusia for further studies but nobody is operating at that frequency anymore

Gani Fawehinmi was right. He did not go to court. He went straight to the police to ask that Tinubu be arrested. If he had been heeded. Engr Funsho Williams may still be alive but he was prevailed upon to let go

When Nigeria was founded, eighty percent of cities were on Yoruba land and others were villages and we still have Yoruba villages as well. Anywhere there is real census in the North like in the universities, you find more Yoruba. The largest union in ABU was Ondo state union. If you go to Unijos, Futminna, unimaid etc you find more Yoruba. Igbos have their trade in markets and Yoruba men are more of artisans and they also trade. Where then are you going to have more Igbo than Yoruba in any Nigerian city? Even PH if not counting Ikwerre. Ladoke Akintola, Bola Ige, first Miss Nigeria and many others were born in the North. Therefore Yoruba are more than Igbos in the North and people should stop scaring Igbos. Hausas control the trade in onions, cattle, pepper, beans etc. Are those small trades?. Are they less profitable than Igbo trades. So everybody have what they control. When Nigeria breaks up then everybody will see as each new nation will come up with real data. Yoruba land without affiliates is containing up to 70 million people presently. ,20 million in Lagos, 50 million in other SW and over ,5 million in Kwara, Kogi, Niger leaving out lands in Delta and Edo state. Everybody in Yoruba land is counted as Yoruba to account for the Yoruba in diaspora who outnumber them by far. In the SE alone is over two million Yoruba including civil servants, oil workers, taxi drivers, agbo sellers, tailors, bricklayers and etc. They are not less than two million and SS can be up to double while North will be more than the sum of SS and SE by far. So it is who you have on your land that will be counted for you before the struggle for people begin. It will then become obvious that Yoruba are the number one group in West Africa or Aftica. I am not yet adding Bariba territory that will definitely join the Yoruba country and you can be sure that Southern Kaduna will be sovereign not to talk of Kanuri, Tiv Berom and etc as they have people on their lands surpassing many sovereign nations. Only Ethiopia will be able to contend with a Yoruba country in population.

THE REAL PROBLEM POSED BY THESE CRACKHEADS ADEBOYE, OYEDEPO, BUHARI, TINUBU ETC LEADING A COUNTRY IS THEY SEE HONEST PEOPLE AS NAIVE AND FOOLISH. TINUBU ONCE GAVE A FAKE PASSPORT TO ENOCH ADEBOYE TO USE TO FACILITATE AN INTERNATIONAL SEX ROMP WITH RIHANNA

THE YEAR HE STOLE THE ID MAY BE THE YEAR HE FORFEITED MONEY TO THE FBI OR BEFORE. HE OBVIOUSLY WAS USING THE ID TO LAUNDER DRUG MONEY. HOW THE LATE IYALOJA IS CONNECTED IS NOT YET CLEAR. MAYBE SON IN LAW OR INTENDING SON IN LAW

garfield1:
The matter in court is not identity theft but forgery

If they had consulted me with just a million dollars they would have won

LogicnReason:
Tinubu probably attended the school but I guarantee you that ALL DOCUMENTS used in obtaining the admission are either FAKE or originally belonging to the REAL BOLA TINUBU who is a FEMALE

Fact is the real things Tinubu is hiding from us are in the shadows. What we are even chasing are not the stuff he's hiding. But his problem is that our curiosity is driving him crazy

The person who attended the school and got the first class was certainly a female. No doubt about that. Tinubu can not graduate from a university

XAUBulls:
'Bola Ahmed Adekunle Tinubu was a Treasurer at Mobil. He was an oil and gas technocrat who rose to a very senior position of Treasurer at Mobil. I know folks who worked at Mobil and know him. Enough of these conspiracy theories my bruv.

I have been a member of NL since 2005 and I have been following you and reading your interesting posts for years now on my other older NL account so I'm surprised you are spinning these fictitious stories.

Tinubu and President Obasanjo are about the same age. No doubt about that. What is the big deal about being adopted by the Iyaloja?. It just requires a simple change of name but he did not do it. Why didn't he do it and who is the real Bola Tinubu?. Maybe Bola Tinubu was his wife that he met in the USA. How else could he have ended up with her documents? There is no reason to doubt the gender on the school document

CoolAmbience:
"....If you go to ExxonMobil they will tell you bla bla......"

Can you swear with your life that you went to ExxonMobil, and that you were told this?

When did you go to ExxonMobil? Who did you speak with? Did they share the photo of the female ExxonMobil staff that bore the name Bola Tinubu with you upon your visit? Can you share it with Nigerians?


Let me tell you, in my town, I know of two prominent indigenes: one was a Deputy Governor of my state and the other retired as a Federal Commissioner at FERMA. They both best the exact same first and last names. So, you need to do your homework well before coming to a public forum to say things of that magnitude.

If he worked in Exxon Mobil then he stole her id to do so. He may have worked in Exxon Mobil but it will shock me that such can be possible in the US because it can't be done in Nigeria

XAUBulls:
@lawani

THE CURRENT Iyaoloja is just in her 40s. I wonder what you are going on about here? You sound like you have beef with the Tinubu from back in the day and are NOT looking at the evidence. The man certainly graduated from CSU to have worked for top consulting firms in the U.S. and Mobil, [now Exxon Mobil]. You also saw the attached video confirmation on page one posted by a Nigerian school mate of Tinubu at Chicago State back in the 1970s.

If you go to Exxon Mobil they will tell you their accountant was a woman and that woman was the late Iyaloja's daughter

The late Iyaloja was an accomplice too. May her soul rest in peace

FOOLS ARE BRAVE!. A full grown man taking up the identity of a woman who was management staff of a major US corporation then killing a gentleman Engineer Funsho Williams four years later!.They should leave him to serve two terms.

It is more or less certain the real Bola Tinubu was a woman who died after 1979. Under 30 years old. What is left to be uncovered is under what circumstances did Bola Tinubu kill Engineer Funsho Williams?. Did he have intelligence report showing Engr Funsho Williams to be a murderer?. I will bet No.

One Bola Tinubu may have graduated from CSU. Maybe the late Iyaloja's daughter. Just a possibility. In 1979, Tinubu must have had a teenage daughter by then in person of the current Iyaloja. The person in the picture does not look like who has a teenage daughter. It is probably an edited year book. If someone who was in his accounting class can come out to support him, he will be more believable but not someone in Mathematics who is like 75. The real Bola Tinubu will be around that age if still alive but obviously she is late. However a man that can lie boldfacedly that he went to GCI Ibadan that he never attended is most certainly lying about his CSU first class degree as well. Anyone should be able to see that. I mean it is a safe bet. Which other first class have you ever seen filling fake secondary school in a form?.

NewDea4:
I think you quoted the wrong person.

Your observations are very valid though..

I replied to the information on her display picture

Mysteriousworld:
Your point isn't realistic, many do evil and still live the best life and die old. Many evil people never suffer in this world.

Give me one example of an evil person who escaped punishment. Not someone who died on death row