₦airaland Forum

90dbest:
it's like you don't know why Yoruba are called cowards.

Was Adekunle Fajuyi who died for Aguiyi Ironsi also a coward?. I mean he gave his life for him. Why do people like you make statements like Yoruba are cowards etc. Have you ever beaten a Yoruba man in a fight?. Or you cheated him and he refused to fight back?. The unnecessary animosity and etc is why Nigeria is a wrong project especially since the nations trapped in the country are big enough to go it alone. The country will break up so that everybody can have opportunity to progress and the world at large will have peace.

Kukutente23:
Why will Osun state ban Muslims from their land

Muslims and Christians will eventually Practice at home only. What they preach is not fit for public consumption in reality

This is what people don't understand about the legal system. IT IS BETTER TO FILE SUCH A CASE AND LOSE THAN NOT TO FILE IT AT ALL . May the soul of Gani Fawehinmi RIP.
When are the family members of Deborah going to sue those who killed her in public? At least for money. If they don't they will be culpable in the murder of the next victim.

tollyboy5:
At this moment ijebu are divided into two sections. The lagos ijebus who comprises of epe, ikorodu, lekki, ibeju. The other section are the ogun state section. At this point all ijebus cant be brought to one state again it'll be quite difficult. What the ijebus of ogun state wanted was ijebu state.
Lagos currently dont have supreme ruler because Oba of Eko is only bound to lagos island. Badagry has theirs so there is no issues about paramount ruler.

The fact is Ijebu is Ijebu and the overall custodian of the culture is the Awujale. They are divided into two states mainly because they fought against the British. I however don't know if their consensus opinion is to be in one state but the orderly thing to do is one Ijebu state to encompass all Ijebu. That something is broken does not mean it can not be fixed. Awori however is more complicated.

tollyboy5:
The last time lagos division was drafted that was the name adopted from stakeholders from lagos east. I'm lagos ijebu. And i think we're cool with the name.

https://www.channelstv.com/2012/10/10/group-insists-on-creation-of-lagoon-state-out-of-lagos/

Who will be the senior monarch and custodian of culture in a state owned by Awori and Ijebu?. . If Ijebu is together, they will recognize the Awujale as cultural head

tollyboy5:
I'm fully in support of nigeria splitting and i know lagos will might not remain as one state. Eti-osa to Epe down to ikorodu will be lagoon state. then the rest lagos state. Then we'll be happier no issues like what we have now.

Is Lagoon state a traditional Yoruba state?. Awori is different from Ijebu and etc

tollyboy5:
You don't know him does not mean he is igbo. you dont know him but we know him because he's one of us. He from Ojo and was pdp candidate.

PDP can win Lagos of course but they need a candidate that will explain how he or she intends to move Lagos to the next level. How did they allow such a huge refinery in Lagos without equity stake? Who does that? Estates can be massively built for rent at 5 percent pa of construction cost. IGR can be tripled because most companies calculate only ten percent of what they should. IGR can be increased an invested in council flats. If they start campaigning now they can easily win but that is if Nigeria remains as one as the best thing is to split the country and if that happens, Lagos will not remain one.

PepeXKermit:
how did it not dissapear?

You seem not to understand. For example, if Nigeria returns to true federalism, then Lagos may not like it because they will have to be sending a portion of their IGR to Abuja. The question is why are other states not like Lagos when the average state has over five hundred thousand income earners with people earning millions of naira monthly among them?. Why can't they be like Lagos?.

PepeXKermit:
na nigeria u dey tell all these ones? we have to go back to regional government in this country. That was the only time Nigeria looked like it was heading on a trajectory of greaness, but they really wanted to spite Igbos, so your dear Gowon killed off regional governance.

Regional government really never disappeared because nobody is forcing any LG or state to depend on federal allocations. Lagos is not.

Menclothing:
They will even use it to make money

It’s on rental

All over the world district government invest in real estate for income generation
They get land free

Each local should have housing estate for rent
Cities should have minimum of 10 000 apartments for rent

A big city can have hundreds of thousands actually. Very good investment

Badadvisor:
Bro one bed room in certain areas like gra, thinkers corner (around chime estate), independence layout and some parts of premier layout goes for 700k and above.
I'm paying 800k for a complete one bed apartment in thinkers estate

Where are you working in Enugu?. Which company?. The average Fresh graduate salary earner in an average Nigerian city can not afford 800k per annum for a one room apartment. Enugu is in the category of Calabar, Osogbo, Ilesa, Ile Ife, Sokoto and etc. There is no reason for you to pay such an amount for such an accomodation in a city like Enugu because the jobs that can support the payment literally don't exist in Enugu

When there is no market for a product, it means that such a product can not be sold. Nobody living in Enugu can pay the charges mentioned by the OP. The claim by the OP is therefore false

tollyboy5:
You don't know him does not mean he is igbo. you dont know him but we know him because he's one of us. He from Ojo and was pdp candidate.

Has any Igbo ever contested for Lagos governorship? What I am saying is wrong is for Yorubas to group together and vote against locals in Rivers state, Kaduna and etc in support of a local person whose wife is Yoruba, who speaks only Yoruba and English etc etc when Yorubas have their own state where they are free to do anything they want.

tollyboy5:
I made mention of Jandor. Jandor is awori of Ojo. And the people supporting jandor are lagosians not outsiders.

The same logic still applies because I don't even know the Jandor.

tollyboy5:
Dont disturb me. Jandor is more of the chosen one by indigene.

Are you saying some non Yorubas want to save Lagos indigenes from Yorubas who are not Lagos indigenes?. Tinubu is a Lagos indigene and his daughter is the current Iyaloja. There is no traditional Yoruba state that is represented in Lagos which is also not in Ogun state and if states were created by civilians you would have understood the matter. Traditional land owners in Lagos are Awori, Ijebu and Egun and no other. These groups exist in Ogun as well and they see themselves as one across borders, have the same dialect and same hierarchy of monarchs. Ikoyi was founded and named by people from the Oyo empire. It is a station of royal guards. I am an Ijesa man and Baba Alaagba the father of Ologunkutere the founder of the current Lagos dynasty was an Ijesa man that settled in Lagos. On Lagos mainland is Ijeshatedo which from the name was founded by Ijeshas before Nigeria. Yoruba have been a modern nation thousands of years before Nigeria and the existence of Nigeria is disturbing that nation not helping it. When Nigeria splits, you will see how traditional states will be carved out of Yoruba land and you will understand. Aworis, Ijebus and etc will be in full control of their land. I don't think anybody has ever been governor in Lagos whose parents were not buried there and who is not an indigene. Tinubu became governor mainly because his mother was the Iyaloja, a major chief. It is kind of naive to think someone like GRV with no money and no history in politics, no landmark achievements will become Lagos governor from an unknown party just like that because he is being supported by non Yorubas!.

How did you manage to change to a cobra and then back to a human being is the question. I don't think they teach that in seminaries.

What of the evil of serial murder of seven,rape, beastiality, ritual murder and incest that I have been accusing you of for years with Top fan status on your face book page?. Enoch you are a fool and your followers are even more foolish. If you are not using demonic powers then why are you using God's power to do evil?. Can you see that you are foolish by yourself now?. It is not what power you use that matter but what you do with the power!. Then was it in a seminary that you learnt how to turn into a cobra and then back into a human being?. Keep collecting tithes and offering but I am coming for you soon.

paramakina202:
Tinubu an Awori? Obviously you are not being truthful. Tinubu is an iragbiji born vagabond.

No Iragbiji family is named Tinubu. His mother was the Iyaloja of Lagos and an adopted son that he is is not less a son. I guess if I take an Igbo person and train him as Ijesa with Ijesa world view and traditional name and he became successful as a result, you will say he is Igbo?. Even when he only became successful because of the Ijesa training?. Human beings are the same and it is who brought you up and what you made yourself that makes the difference. Tinubu was brought up by an adoptive mother who was the Iyaloja of Lagos and the Iyaloja is a major chief.

paramakina202:
Yoruba is mixed in Lagos is a word coined by hinterland Yoruba to subjugate the native Aworis who are indigenous Lagosians and deny them self rule.

Not mixed in Lagos alone but all over Yoruba land but Lagosians are controlling Lagos ie Ijebu, Awori and Eegun just like Ogun state. Tinubu is Awori bearing an Awori name and son of the Iyaloja which was why he was able to be nominated as governor. Do you think he would have risen in Lagos politics that much if not for that name?.

paramakina202:
Well neither do I live in Niger state.The joke is still on you.
Yoruba from hinterland should let Lagosians breath and allow them rule their state.

Yoruba have been thoroughly mixed for thousands of years. It was a real nation before Nigeria. The majority of Lagos Popular families are from the hinter land and in the hinter land are Awori families. The Oba of Lagos for instance is paternally descended from Osun state. Oshodi is paternally descended from Nupe, Shitta Bey is paternally descended from Oyo. Ikoyi itself is obviously Oyo because Ikoyi are the Esho or royal guards of the Oyo empire. Badagry was where the remnants of Bashorun Gaha's family fled to when expelled from Oyo after the civil war because they had contacts there. I myself an Ijesa man is also a son of Balogun Sosimi of Shagamu since he was maternal grandfather of my paternal grandfather. We also have family house in Epe of Osomaalo that never returned home. If Yoruba have been mixing for thousands of years, how can Nigeria put an end to that?.

If you boast and make mouth, you will be met with boasts. If you bring guns, you will be met with guns. There is going to be isese in Ilorin on August 20. I hope you won't go there with guns. I really hope. They will carry their deities on their heads about town just like politicians do during campaigns. If christians can do it, so also will isese. Don't bastardize isese people, they are human beings too!. Don't victimize them. It is you people of thuggery theology that should be banned from public practice. Can the public practice of Islam be justified?

Okada691:
Rivers population might be half the population of Lagos state but initially you talked about port harcourt and not the whole of Rivers state. Outside port harcourt, you will only find Yorubas in minute numbers in every other places. The combined population of Yorubas in Rivers state would not be more than 500,000 if you are being sincere to yourself, this same rivers state, you have Ogoni, you have Ekpeye , Degema, Kalabari , Ndoni, Egbema, Etche and Omuma, Engenni, etc

Ikwerre and Ogoni have a population of at least 3 million.

Etche, Ogba, Ndoni,Ndoki, Omuma would have a combined population of about 2 million

Ekpeye, Degema, Kalabari, Engenni, Abual Andoni, Bonny Opobo etc cannot be less than 2 million. It is more let us leave it like that,

Then you have migrant population from across all divide but worthy mention is Ijaws from other state, Annang/Efik/Ibibio/Oron, Igbos and the Yorubas

Igbos naturally migrate to Rivers state because Igbo indigenous groups are naturally about 45 % of Rivers state so they migrate there more because they feel at home in “ Igweocha “ it is not even a contest, Ikwerres emergence in Rivers state is largely aided by the Igbos there. Even Igbos from Abia and IMO states alone in Rivers state are more than yorubas there.

Then you have the Annang/Efik/Oron/Ibibio extraction in port harcourt and they can be found even in the interiors of rivers state.

Yorubas are the third largest group in rivers state.

No the south south are not more than the south east in Lagos, you forget that 15 to 20 percent of south south are 1gbos. For us not be confused, you have to add their population. I mean the combined migrants population of the Igbos from whatever extraction whether the south east and the south south cannot be less than four million in Lagos.It is so fair a number

Then the other combined groups from the south south, Efik/Ibibio/Annang/Oron would take the lead. They are mini Igbos and they are also very many,you have the Urhobos taking the second position as a non Igbo tribe in the south south, Bini, Esan, Isoko, Itsekiri,Ijaw . They should be about 2-5 to 3 million.

Hausas and other tribes in the north cannot really be less than six million. Hausas about 4 million and the other northern tribes, a cumulative population of about two million. It would have been more but this is so, because the other northern tribes such as tiv,Igala and Idoma prefer traveling to Abuja and Kano than Lagos. When you combine the figures, I have calculated thus far, that will bring it to about 12 to thirteen million. Yorubas in Lagos would have a simple majority of about 8 million.


The combined population of Yorubas in the north west will form a small state like Ekiti. I would agree, not kaduna alone.

Then again if you combine the population of Igbos in wudil/Kano/Rano/kafanchan/Zaria/kaduna city and every other states in the south west. It would form a medium state like Osun

The yorubas are able to control grip of the political process in the state because they use force and manipulation. They don’t allow fair democratic process

The yorubas and the Hausas combined in the entire south east would not be more than one million, and that is an absolute stretch, most of the yoruba masons that go there to work return back to their abode because the Igbo man is largely hostile and cost of land in Igbo land would not allow other tribes settle there. Even the Hausas that come there for trade return to their place immediately after they have gotten what they want. However the fashion industry, the Yorubas dominate. The east is by far the most homogeneous region in Nigeria and it is not even news

The leader of Yoruba in Anambra say there are 500k Yorubas there. An Igbo woman told me Hausas in Enugu May out number Igbos and I know people from Ilesa in Enugu. Lagos is not more cosmopolitan than Abuja, Kaduna, PH, Onitsha etc. But Lagos have more population as in double the next state to it most probably. It is merely population caused by the efficiency of the LASG. Any state could have done it. Yoruba investment in other places is more than non Yoruba investment in Yoruba land. They can buy everybody out, so there is no big deal. However territory is territory and Yoruba territory is different from Hausa territory. Nowhere like Sabongari Kano in Lagos or other parts of the SW that has been handed over to others. I believe Yoruba maybe eighty percent of Lagos at least. I agree with you that if SS Igbos are added to SE Igbos it will swell the population because many Igbos I know are SS Igbos from Anioma and etc but if zone by zone, SS will most likely surpass the SE in population in Lagos. Don't be deceived by the mix you see in some markets and not the majority of markets because for every ten people selling in the market, there may be two hundred in other places. There is no city you will enter in the North that Yorubas will not surpass Igbos. In ABU Ondo students Union has always been the largest. Futminna, Unijos, Unimaid is the same story and those are undeniable
stats. Therefore anytime you count, you find more Yorubas but it is not so in Eastern universities like Unical and etc where there are more Igbos than Yorubas. In my class at OAU, it was an healthy mix of Itsekiri, Igala, Igbos, Benin, Tiv, and etc. Everybody is everywhere. If Yoruba are not that much in Lagos, why are they controlling everything by almost 100 percent?. Anambra is doing the same thing and non Igbos in Anambra have a very high population but no elective posts at all. Enugu is doing the same and etc. Why should any state be different?. It will not change in a million years. I don't agree that SE is more homogenous than others. From the onset, a place like Enugu has had a large number of Hausas and it remains so till today. If there is no restriction on movement, there is no way there will not be everybody everywhere. Let us just say each zone is at least eighty percent populated by locals. The most populated zone is SW followed by SS and NW, NC,NE and then SE. Most cosmopolitan are Abuja, Lagos, Kaduna, PH, Onitsha etc but everywhere is mixed to roughly the same level and once the whole world equalizes the mixing will intensify but national and cultural identities will remain. I however don't think any Nigerian city is as mixed as London. Mixing can not be wished away but Igbos can buy out the non Igbos in the SE ditto for the Yoruba in the SW. Igbo land will never become Yoruba land and vice versa. Igbos however can build five cities of three million each in the heart of Igbo land under twenty years as was done by Nigeria in Abuja and the place will of course be flooded by Yoruba, Hausa, Chinese Indians, Europeans and etc and the place will be under the control of Igbos without controversy. In Anambra they rig elections too as Yoruba and Hausa may be up to one million but they leave the voting to only Igbos. UN or EU observers say during the last election, there was no credible voting in the SE. Do you think if no rigging in Lagos, Igbo voters can outvote Yoruba in an ethnic voting? Even when they can not win a single LG chairmanship?.

Mo ni ifokanbale I have peace
Mo ni alaafia I have peace
Ilu tooro The town is peaceful.

Ifokanbale literally means my heart is resting on the ground. It is the Yoruba word for peace. It can be used for individuals and even a community.
Alaafia is also used. It is now part of Yoruba vocab but it obviously is not an original Yoruba word. Probably Arabic or Hausa. The Yoruba is ifokanbale

AKPAMA211:
;Dyou dae call am OvbiobA

At this stage of my life even the almighty Owa obokun of Ijesa land who is the King of Ijesas can not refer to me as his son without onlookers asking him what he contributed into my online struggle since 2007, how much less the Omonoba of Benin people?.

Tomek09:
Agbo and jedi-jedi sellers. No economic impact in Igboland.

They pay rent, enter transport, buy food, buy clothes etc. What do you do that they don't do?. Many of them also are by far better than you because if you sell 10k agbo per day you are in business better than a level 9 civil servant

Okada691:
how is the politics of Lagos Yoruba controlled when you guys don’t allow Igbos vote freely? My oluomo and Tinubu are aware of the population of Igbos in Lagos state

There are many privately owned businesses in Lagos in fact 80% of companies in Lagos are privately owned


You can’t compare ph size to Lagos, Lagos is at least five times the size of ph and the number of Igbos in Lagos would create another full state elsewhere. I am not so certain of the figures of Igbos in Lagos, it can’t be less than four million.

Then again that is the point, if you combine the total population of Igbos and Hausas in Lagos, it would give a staggering figure of 8 million, then Urhobo, Bini, Berom , Esan isoko, Efik, Ibibio and members from the other 250 ethnic groups and even outside Nigeria.

I have been to Kano state before, the population of Igbos in Sabon Gari and no man’s land is in excess of two million as sabon gari is densely populated

Lagos really has that popularity and everybody wants to associate with it, little wonder why the 3,500km2 of state has that much population,

The population of Igbos in Abuja would rival whatever other population the Yorubas has elsewhere in the north.

Igbos have large presence in kaduna state too, they are in their numbers in Zaria, Kaduna, kafanchan and so many other cities there.

The population of Igbos In portharcourt is more than the Yorubas in portharcourt. Igbos I mean those from south east extraction. It is the support the Ikwerres have gotten from south east Igbos, that is why they have dominated the rivers state politics for long. Until recently when Wike decided to shell power to an Ijaw. Ijaws would not have tasted power for the next fifty years. If not the conscious decision by wike.

Why I said we can leave Lagos out is because the migration population in Ogun and Oyo state, or wherever place in the other south west would totally rival the pop of Yorubas In Lagos

For example, the East is the most homogeneous region in Nigeria

Rivers population is around half of Lagos population. Yorubas in Rivers too can form a state and I don't agree that SE Igbos outnumber Yorubas in PH. Yorubas in Kaduna can form a small state like Ekiti or Bayelsa. If Igbos are 4 million in Lagos then Hausas too are 4 million and SS are also 4 million then others like Northern minorities are 4 million at least making 16 million and Yoruba will be less than 4 million. Everybody is in Lagos and not only Igbos. Check very well and you will realize SS are more than SE in Lagos. However so far, Yoruba have been able to maintain grip on over ninety percent of positions just like Northerners are controlling Kaduna, Igbo control Anambra and Ikwerre control PH despite the cosmopolitan nature of those places.

The East is as heterogenous as other places. There are Hausa as well as Yoruba dominated industries in the East

Okada691:
the Yorubas dispersed in Nigeria cannot be more than the Igbos now, go to Owo, I mean Owo, small Owo
The number of Igbos I saw there shocked me. That is why they say Owos are usually fair because they are intermarrying now even Ondo town,

Let’s us not even talk about Lagos and states close to her. The combination of the population other tribes in Lagos is so frightening now, that they force other tribes not to vote.

An Igbo man talking about going to the city is actually talking about going to Lagos, even they have sizeable numbers in Abuja and Kano too. But that of Lagos is off the hook. I have nothing against Yorubas, but I don’t want us to see it as a south west glory except you will leave Lagos out of it then I might grudgingly consider.

For instance, Hausas will not agree that Igbos outnumber them in Lagos and I myself can not say for sure. I believe Yoruba presence in PH might be more by percentage than Igbo presence in Lagos. Maiduguri people say more Yoruba are there than Igbos and if you use data like how many students in Unimaid are Yoruba versus Igbo you will realize the claim is true. Jos, Kano and etc will be thesame way but among traders you are likely to have more Igbos. Among fisher men in the SS, you will see times ten Yoruba than Igbo and etc etc. So unless there is a thorough census there is no way of being sure. What we know is that LASG is employing 500k people and maybe eighty percent are Yoruba and that will be ten percent of Lagos work force. It is the remaining 4.5 million workers to be shared with others. Of the hundreds of industries, how many are dominated by non Yorubas?. Most mechanics, tailors, carpenters, plumbers, teachers, oil workers, petrol station owners, transporters, factory owners and etc are Yoruba by up to seventy percent and also most oja obas are dominated by Yoruba women selling everything. You only find Igbos dominating specialized trading like spare parts and etc. So that is how to calculate and that is why over ninety percent of Lagos politics is Yoruba controlled

AKPAMA211:
that is because they are a decentralized people, Benin is not the only capital in Nigeria, Enugu is the capital of Igbo land, the Igbos are also a decentralized people.

how big is it when compared to Benin. Seventy to eighty percent of the houses in Benin city are Bini owned even Businesses and Investment. If every Bini man chose to build a house in his village, and cite businesses there, we would probably have several large towns today and not one major city, and Benin would certainly not be close to this size.

And there will decentralization of the population of Bini people across the several cities

I agree with you though because Enugu should have been what PH is today since Kaduna is big. However Urhobo and Esan are more centralized than Igbos and would have had fairly large cities with a little government help. It is never too late to start.

AKPAMA211:
that is what I am trying to show to you, Because they are not a centralized people, they have twenty four kings in Urhobo land and when development is coming to Urhobo land for example, every of their king will want it to come to their immediate terrain. They are conscious of their land and not their ethnic tribe as a whole.

The same thing with the Esan people, I will give you an example, Ambrose Alli was the governor of Bendel and when he wanted to cite a state university, he went to his Hometown Ekpoma to cite it,

Even Aikhomu that is from Irrua though he is late now was former deputy head of state to Banbagida, when it was time for him , to cite a specialist hospital in Esan land, he went to his hometown Irrua to cite it.


Bu if they were both Bini men, they will both cite it in Benin city. Igbinedion and Benson Idahosa, are both Bini men but however not from Benin city but they largely made Benin city what it is today because of their numerous investment in Benin city, I hope you understand sha

I understand. Benin became like that only because of the Benin empire capital that was located there. If the Esan, Urhobo etc gain control over their land. They can via a raffle draw choose a capital. It is never too late at any time for hands to be joined together. It was also hands of MW, Bendel and now Edo indigenes joined together that also contributed to make Benin city prosperous. Then when I don't respond to posts immediately, I may be on other sites responding to posts there, doing something else or sleeping. I think that applies to everybody.