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The Ogboni was the one party system of governance that was prevalent in Yoruba land prior to colonisation by the British. Every freeborn was a member of the Ogboni and there were several layers of councils. The Ogboni have a mantra that says no member shall do evil against any other human being. This mantra is repeated like an anthem in their meetings. The Ogboni council is a court and the council can remove an oba if the oba is found wanting. There is no need for a multi party democracy, one National Party is enough and that is the system in China today where the communist party of China holds sway. The system was very successful in Yoruba land for centuries before colonisation. One National Party which will be an amalgam of town unions and trade unions is enough and that will be an Ogboni system. A multi party system can be said to be a Tom and Jerry kind of political system. For a more business like governance, the global society should consider a one party system that is an Ogboni system.

Etinosa1234:
but u guys believed oduduwa/orunmila came from the sky

besides that is completely the Hamitic theory and has been debunked a lot of times


https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000044662

i hope you can see from the paper that Yoruba was the palace language of Benin in the past. It was the lingua franca.

The whole world will be even if we have an international treaty compelling all governments to depend for revenue, on income tax and not natural resources.

Worldliness:
I did not see Ijaw..
And Yorubas are in Ghana and Ivory coast?? ARE YOU FOR REAL??

over 50 Yoruba towns are in eastern Ghana.

Etinosa1234, gregyboy. You need to read this.

Interesting.

If there is an international treaty that compels all nations to depend on income tax for revenue and not natural resources or any other revenue source, then all governments shall be accountable to their citizens as is the case in organised nations that currently use this system. The way to make all governments accountable to their citizens is to depend these governments on income tax. That way there shall be good governance on auto across the globe with no nation left behind.

Minimum wage is fixed by law in organised countries so that the lowest paid people can pay income tax without any hassles. Accommodation is made for income tax payment such that the remaining money after income tax is removed is enough to live on. Government revenue in industrialized countries depend on taxes paid by the working class including the poor and middle class. Not the rich only but millions of workers. If a nation wants to formalize her economy, the starting point is to fix a taxable minimum wage for all workers in the economy and the market will adjust to accommodate this new minimum wage.

The problem of the poor Third World nations is organisation. In industrialized nations, the space is organised and earning profits without paying tax is extremely rare. The economy is formalized and every citizen is known to government unlike the Third World or developing countries where the economy is largely informal. The economy of the whole globe should be strictly formalized with no nation left behind as is obtainable in industrialized nations.

rosy02:
Even if all Nigerians pay their tax, Nigeria will still remain the way it is, due to corruption and embezzlement of funds.



Check my sig

if we depend on taxes, we will resemble those western nations that depend on taxes. They have corruption too but it is minimal.

lastempero:
The thing tire me, everyone that can copy and paste is now an economist in Nigeria. Just look at how someone is busy defending and propagating taxation as a way forward for Nigeria. It's either the writer is a politician or he or she is benefiting from pen robbers.

we can never become industrialized and efficient if we don't organise and tax ourselves like developed nations.

In the 60s, Nigeria, Britain and Germany were about the same population size of around 60 million but today Nigeria is 200 million while UK and Germany are less than 100 million. Average age in both nations is 40s while Nigeria is 20s with a whole lot of children. If things continue like this, Nigeria will remain poor relatively.

When Lagos organises and imposes a taxable minimum wage on the private sector, the igr will increase in multiple folds.

989900:
Absolutely, the North would have been just another Niger or Chad: malnourished, uneducated, poor and broke as hell. QED.

niger and Chad have stable power and are better organised than Nigeria.

Every income should be subject to taxation not only that of rich people.

The north is rich. If Nigeria divides today, they just need to organise themselves for taxation and they will have more money than the east.

Good.

bright007:


Yes the language was spoken by Yoruba slaves. I hope your ancestors weren't among the spoils of war that served the Benin Oba

No, the language was spoken by the royalty, soldiers, judges, and all empire builders. They even went as far as naming new towns like agenebode a Yoruba name. Ago onibode means outpost of the sentry in Yoruba.

bright007:
You dont deserve a reply because your question reeks of embryonic intellectual redundancy.

Pls if you can not be polite, do stop commenting on my post. The Benin palace had a palace language and that language was Yoruba. Deal with it.

bright007:
Now the essence of this thread has been defeated.


The creator of the thread should bow out in shame

we know the lingua franca of the British empire, oyo empire and etc. Tell us the lingua franca of the Benin empire, be reminded that edo language does not pass Benin city.

Etinosa1234:
U are clearly ignorant and biased..

Empire consist of conquered states..
Before the British conquered us,... were we speaking English?

when they attacked us, were we speaking English

we had to learn English. English is to the British empire what Yoruba was to the Benin empire.

gregyboy:
Oga you asked how benin conquered eastern yorubas without speaking Yoruba as communicating

Now you're saying a different thing like say nigerians spoke English before British conquered us........


To your question we benins spoke edo language
After conquering a town we put a duke to rule on our behalf with few entourage to aid him in governance, over time the benin dukes and subkect in those areas looses thier thier language because of thier few numbers after so many generations this duke predecessors even rebel against the oba, untill thier later curtailed

we speak English today because English was the lingua franca of the British empire. There is no empire in world history without a lingua franca and your edo language does not pass Benin city.

gregyboy:
How did the British conquer nigeria without speaking 300 plus languages.....

The lingua franca of the British empire was English. We were in the British empire is why we speak English today. The question I am asking you people is what was the lingua franca of the old Benin empire?.

Etinosa1234:
How was Benin able to conquer up to present day delta state

How was the Fulani able to conquer Ilorin

How was the old Oyo Empire able to keep Dahomey at bay

There lies ur answer

The language of Ilorin was and is still Yoruba. You can't amount to anything in Ilorin without speaking Yoruba. It was so in the past and still so today. The dahomey spoke Yoruba while dealing with oyo. The question now is what was the lingua franca of the old Benin empire?.

Etinosa1234:
I'm Benin doesn't mean I can't reason critically...

There is no way.. an Oba and his chiefs born and brought up in Benin culture would suddenly make Yoruba the lingua franca, a language that they don't understand

Does it sound logical to U?

Those people that wrote it...Are they fluent in either languages??
Or because it favours ur tribe that u threw logical reasoning to the bushes

So Because it was a white person that wrote it, we should accept it as true as the zombies u want us to be

if the palace did not understand Yoruba how do you think they dealt with the eastern Yoruba which were part of the Benin empire?.

surgical:
let everyone do their part, the government and the citizens
The government should provide the enabling environment for the citizens to thrive,then they can have the basis to ask for taxation not before

do you know that our budget is nothing to write home about considering our population and GDP?.

lastempero:
It seems you dont live in Nigeria and you don't know what is on ground.how could u encourage the robbery of innocent citizens by these rogues in government. U should make more research on how government should generate money and not by taxation.

We have more than 30 mineral natural resources that can fetch us big money so they should consider those options.

experience has taught us that there will be no accountability when a nation depends on natural resources for revenue. The only way out is to depend on income tax. Attach the progress of the government to the progress of the workers.

tatatar:
How did you arrive at your 150million barrels calculation.Last time I checked Dubai peaked it's oil production 30 years ago at ~400,000 barrels,and it's been declining since then.While it's oil revenues is just 5% of GDP

it was igbochief001 that made the comparison I just quoted him.

TAO11:
Benin Kingdom was made up of Edos obviously.

But the lingua-franca of the palace and the whole kingdom of Edo was at a time Yoruba language.

benin kingdom is now edo but the old empire had more yoruba than edo and the palace which spoke Yoruba was a city on its own with over 50 thousand people who were all Yoruba speakers in the past. The edo lived in the suburbs.

lastempero:
If you check my first response to your quote i acknowledge that fact that taxation is a part of an organised society but my point here is that Nigeria i know shouldn't be disturbing us about tax,for me thats broad day robbery on us and u should also know that civil servant and companies are already doing that but what is our government doing with those taxes? The answer is close to nothing because they only loot it back.

taxation nowadays is only a minute fraction of national revenue in Nigeria unlike during colonisation. My point is that for the right result, government has to be dependent on taxes. It has to be the main source of government revenue like in industrialized nations. That is my point.

Etinosa1234:
You can't become anything in Oyo Empire if u don't know how to speak Hausa..

U think na only u Sabi talk lie

I am not talking of today's Benin kingdom which is edo but of the empire which used Yoruba as lingua and had more Yoruba citizens than edo.

lastempero:
So whats your point because i mentioned dubai due to the fact they built a worldclass society without much recourse to taxation but Nigeria is just a den of thieves with alot of leakages,left for me if u can devise a way to evade taxation in Nigeria, just do it.

igbochief001 made it clear that Nigeria has to be producing 150 million barrels of oil a day to be even with Dubai because of our population. My point is that you can't get accountability unless you depend on income tax. Dubai is awash with oil money but that does not mean they have accountability. One more thing is that tax is not given it has to be taken by force. So it is normal to want to evade tax.