₦airaland Forum

lastempero:
So whats your point because i mentioned dubai due to the fact they built a worldclass society without much recourse to taxation but Nigeria is just a den of thieves with alot of leakages,left for me if u can devise a way to evade taxation in Nigeria, just do it.

igbochief001 made it clear that Nigeria has to be producing 150 million barrels of oil a day to be even with Dubai because of our population. My point is that you can't get accountability unless you depend on income tax. Dubai is awash with oil money but that does not mean they have accountability. One more thing is that tax is not given it has to be taken by force. So it is normal to want to evade tax.

Blue3k:
Nigeria simply ignored other sources of tax revenue until they couldn't. Does Niger Republic have a more formalized economy than Nigeria? Nigeria can get informal sector to comply with tax law if they're interested.

Africa is generally more informal than formal but Niger Republic is a better country than Nigeria.

lastempero:
Iam not against taxation of an organised society but not like a country like ours and remember dubai was not built on income tax.

neither is Dubai accountable to the masses. They are a monarchy.

There will always be theology.

karfe:
I am not an expert, but I believe for proper taxation, a society needs to be very well organized and structured. Proper town planning, registration of homes and businesses with streamlined processes and proper approvals, etc.

Maybe the coming of BVN and NIMC (if properly reformed and implemented) will kick start a proper tax process.

Until then, most businesses contributing to GDP will remain informal and untaxable.

In any case, government transparency and positive use of revenue at all levels should give citizens more confidence to participate in the formal sector.

yes of course taxation, formalisation of the economy and organisation go together. Every economic activities should be formalized and taxed and there should be proper organisation as obtainable in industrialized nations.

gregyboy:
You're a very funny fellow, you make authoritive claims like you're the all and all, no proves, no facts nothing you bring to prove your point rather

What you believe and not what others have said you're argue a primary school student no offense tho

Nigga bring prove to drive your point


Owa originated from ife so am just mean to
Believe it because you said it, when scholars had said a Yoruba king from ilesha paid benin to war ijesha and benin found away to install their king

I have said I can't post links because I don't know how to with my phone but you can google owo to see that the oba is not from Benin neither is the owa obokun of Ijesaland from Benin. They are both descendants of oduduwa like the oba of Benin. The fact that owa obokun Gbegbaaje sought Benin help during a war does not make the owa obokun stool to be from Benin. History does not say that. You ought to know that even if you reawake the Benin empire today, you will still have to use Yoruba as lingua franca and not edo. That is the point of my original post. Your ancestors lived in the Benin suburbs and not the palace or capital.

gregyboy:
I never said that.....



The owo palace is older then the benin palace does that mean the king occupying the throne is not a benin monarchy.....


The owo palace is even older tgen the ife palace does that mean owo birthed ife.....

the owo monarchy is not a Benin monarchy. They are descended from Ile Ife.

It is glaring that taxation is the catalyst for national development. All organised nations got there by organising themselves and taxing themselves income tax, no one is allowed to work under the table, that is, to earn income without paying tax. The higher your tax regime as a nation, the more developed you are and the more accountable your government is to the masses. Nations that do not depend majorly on taxation are often not accountable to their masses. Compulsory dependence on taxation can help even out the globe to a far reaching extent. Other factors like dependency ratio and average age will then determine how rich per capita a nation will be. For example, a nation with a lot of children will be less rich per capita than one with a lot of adults and etc. However, all nations should be compelled to depend on income tax for revenue. This dependency on income tax for revenue has worked for nations that are now called industrialized First World nations, it can work for any nation.

[quote author=gregyboy post=89897495][/quote]The owa obokun monarchy is older than the Benin monarchy, so the Benin copied from the Ijesa.

gregyboy:
Yoruba were never united under any ooni shit


Oduduwa was an idol that never existed


Samuel johson brought the idea of yorubas coming from Oduduwa it was never so in history
Many times in history ife waa ransacked by war

yoruba was united in the 19th century under Ibadan.

Juliusmalema:
Rightly put as sub ethnic group revolving around the palace.

The Benin kingdom not empire, is now edo. Edo speakers overwhelmed the palace in the late 19th century.

Juliusmalema:
That is to say the ruling house are Yorubas..This is revealing...

50 thousand souls?

The whole architecture of the empire was Yoruba but the suburbs of the capital or palace had their own vernacular which was and still is edo.

Juliusmalema:
Seriously?

Yes, very true. The lingua franca of the empire was Yoruba. The palace was distinct from the suburbs where edo was spoken. The palace was a city housing over 50 thousand souls and their language was Yoruba not edo.

The reason for a state registering a marriage should be because it will potentially bring children.

Abolishing tax is never a way forward because the higher your tax the more developed you are and the more accountable your government.

Ooni's superiority is spiritual not physical. All obas have their people and domain where they are superior exclusively. If you want to count people then oyo is superior and not Ife. As a monarch, the ooni oversees Ife alone and that is not even up to Ijesa where the owa obokun is supreme.

Ilorin came under British protection in the 1890s by the signature of the Balogun Ajikobi a descendant of Alaafin Abiodun. Technically the Balogun Ajikobi is the olu of Ilorin because he still has that document.

illicit:
Abi ko fe ragba fun ibadan ni....


Why should Aborigine Ekiti guy like me pay homage to Ibadan refugees

I am Ijesa myself but I support the Yoruba nationalism of Aare Latosisa with hindsight.

DrGoodman:
Are you saying that Yorubas must bow down and worship Ibadan people?

proper tribute must be given to Ibadan for her efforts.

Prior to 1877 when the civil war broke out, Ibadan stood astride the Yoruba country like a collusus in the words of a historian. The 1877 to 1893 civil war was fought to break the hold of Ibadan. The Japanese fought their own civil war for as long as the Yoruba � and someone was declared emperor at the end. The rebellion was led by Ogedengbe Agbogungboro of Ijesa and Fabunmi okemesi of ekiti. It was a serious blow to Yoruba unity. The Fulani supported the rebels and a Fulani princess was given to the owa obokun Bepo to marry, who gave birth to the owa obokun, oba Aromolaran of Ijesa who ruled in the forties. The present owa obokun, Oba Gabriel Adekunle Aromolaran is his son. The Ibadan was a successor of the Oyo empire and they portrayed themselves to their vassals as servants of the Alaafin, though they were hardly making any returns to the Alaafin. The Ibadans used natives as ajeles and for decades were able to hold the whole of Yoruba land together as one before the kiriji rebellion which ended in the colonisation of Yoruba land and by extension Nigeria by Great Britain. Aare ona kakanfo Latosisa who was leader of the federal forces died at the war front in Igbajo, of old age. He died a Yoruba nationalist and hero. Kudos must be given to Ibadan in retrospect, for doing their bit for Yoruba unity. The present Yoruba must pick up the gauntlet and continue from where people like Aare Latosisa stopped in the 19th century. May God help us.

You can not become anything in the Benin empire without knowing how to speak Yoruba.

davidnazee:
You Yorubas are actually very shallow minded.. You guys really have slave mentality.. You sound like "house niggers" (those slaves employed to work in home administration rather than cotton fields. They always felt they were better than other slaves). So working in Benin palace which was the greatest palace in the world for your guys was an achievement. Benin Empire's ministers where Edos, army officials were Edos, administrators sent to administer conquered territories where Edos, jugdes Edos, the Oba's council were Edos.. The work of the Yorubas slaves in the palace was, gardeners, cleaners, gatemen, houseboys and house girls.. so far they had these jobs in the great Benin palace was a boost for their weak ego.

Anyways please go read about why Yoruba were employed in the palace.. you will find it was because it is easy to punish them, behead them for any offence because they are foreigners and nobody will ask questions unlike if they were Edos then they cannot be treated unjustly..
so keep celebrating your weakness..

you can't be anything in the Benin empire without speaking Yoruba.

You can never develop without taxing workers. It is the norm in developed nations. I

The first oba of Benin brought Yoruba language, Gods and customs and renamed Igodomigodo as Ife Ibinu corrupted to Benin. Throughout the time Benin was an empire, Yoruba was the language of business, the lingua franca.the army, judges and etc all spoke Yoruba and if you reawake the Benin empire today, they will still have to speak Yoruba again not edo.

Olu317:
Well, I am sceptical on your information because of your claims. Oyo has never called Yoruba until the expanse of the Empire. I know Yoruba people's identity even oman! This name is so popular even in middle east.

only the oyo were known as Yoruba in the past.

ajl:
I will rather have people keep their money than have those vultures steal it. Because they won't spend it the right way. No real development is happening anywhere in Nigeria, Lagos inclusive. Its all window dressing with projects created purposely to have avenue to steal. I know Lagos in and out. It's my state.

tax must be taken if you are to develop.

omonnakoda:
Lagos has gone very far.
The indigenous population know where the military left them in 1999.
IGR in 1999 was 6 billion Naira A YEAR

It is busybodies and miscreants that go around talking rubbish. Yes there is a long way to go and WE ,are on course


Miscreants should face their states

if 100 percent of Lagos wage earners were paying income tax as it is in the organised and developed world, then Lagos Igr will be over 5 times what it is today. We need organisation.

Olu317:
Don't get wrong because Oyo were all combination of all Yoruba clans. So, don't get it wrong on who is Oyo ot not without all other clans.

Ijesa for instance are not oyo and the Ijesa used to call oyo Yoruba as at early 20th century. It was later that all Yoruba accepted the new Yoruba identity.

MrsNwaAmaikpe:
Stop spreading lies!

Who formed the word "Yoruba" ? Was it not Hausa/Fulani traders?


Before they named you Yoruba, wat were you called?

You were basically just a group of people organized into villages and Hamlet, nothing more .

the word Yoruba was first found in the written work of Ahmed Baba of 15th century Songhai empire, it was used to refer to the people of the oyo empire but nowadays all Yoruba speaking people have accepted the identity.

davidnazee:
You are quick to deny ur Slave people but yet still feel a sense of pride and achievements from working in the greatest palace on earth.
It’s ok to feel that way but they are slaves.

was the oba and his chiefs slaves too? Because Yoruba was their lingua franca.

MrsNwaAmaikpe:
Land grabber ...now that you have succeeded in hallucinating your propaganda all over this thread, what's your gain?

Remember Ilorin is still in the hands of Fulani. Are you not concerned Ilorin was formally a Yoruba land?


Charity begins at home. Claim Ilorin first before you claim Benin

i am not talking of today's Benin city but of the past. Benin empire was Yoruba while today's Benin city is edo. The emir of Ilorin is a Yoruba man of gambari or Hausa descent. I am not a land grabber, I am just setting the record straight.

Eberejesus111:
Hmm, bros but they can enforce the language on urhobo and under thinly edo-related linguistic similarity.

And I heard the Oba at a certain time was ruthless, if he was conquering land here and there, why didn't he force the language on them.

Anyone who conquers, conquers because he wants to change your culture or for economic puporses. For he knows the conquered can become strong tomorrow.i guess the past Oba knew that.

their kings and officers were Yoruba speaking until recently.