₦airaland Forum

igbodefender:
lawani lawani, I respect your dogged defence of Yoruba sha, but that doesnt mean we agree with you.

Its like saying Arsene Wenger is French. He is a French citizen but German by ethnicity. In Germany are groups who are not Germans by ethnicity.

igbodefender:
I don't agree with you lumping Igbos as people who were under the Benin Empire when what they had was really a close association. When you say Benin Empire and Its Igbo Peoples, you are implying that the Igbos were once under the Benin Empire, whereas, the truth is that both people's have always had a close, peaceful association. As for some Onitsha People saying they are Benin People, the fact is that Benin had a close cultural and political association with the Anioma Igbos, ever since the time of Uhe.

Who would not like to associate with the Benin People and their great culture? But you make it seem as if the Benin People subjugated the Igbo, which is not the case, at all. It was a case of soft power. Even today, Nigerians still widely admire the Benin People for their dignified monarchy and culture. Does that mean that they have subjugated Nigeria? No.

Ugbodu is an Igbo town. What you see them speak is an ancient Igbo tongue called Lucumi.

Olukunmi is a Yoruba dialect and subgroup similar to Itsekiri, Ilaje and Owo. They can understand themselves but the Olukunmi speak Igbo as second language. Olukunmi is not an Igbo but a Yoruba dialect spoken by a Yoruba subnation bordering Igbo land. Olukunmi has no cultural similarity with Nri Igbo since they are like other Yoruba groups with Kings and other things like masquerades and etc. At best you call them Yoruba Igbo because all of them speak Igbo but they must have autonomy over their affairs of course while they continue identifying as Yorubas. The Ikwerre and Ogba wey you don change to Igbos never do you?.

YORUBA OR EUROPA APPARENTLY IS A WORD USED BY MUSLIMS TO REFER TO A PEOPLE ABLE TO BUILD AN ADVANCED CIVILIZATION WITHOUT SUBMITTING TO ALLAH. THIS TO THE BRAINWASHED MUSLIMS OF SONGHAI AND ANDALUSIA WAS AN ABERRATION

The word Yoruba was first found in the written work of the 16th century Songhai scholar who opined that Muslims should only sell into slavery people among which he mentioned Yoruba. The word is said to mean 'Thugs' who would not submit to Allah. However the Yoruba capital in Oyo ile known to the Hausa as Katunga had always been bigger than the Songhai capital. Ahmed Baba the Black was later exiled to Morocco by the Songhai government after being convicted of spreading heresy.

Ahmed Baba

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Baba_al_Massufi

Europa or Europe on the other hand is said to be of Phoenician origin which also is proto Islamic. Phoenician is the archaic or ancient form of all Semitic languages. It is the first semitic language. In all Phoenician descended languages, the word for God is El, Allah or something similar. Europa is said to mean where the sun sets which is to the West of Phoenicia, Carthage etc. That West is Europe which later proved to be resistant to Muslim expansion, yet they maintained a level of social advancement!. They were apparently dismissed as Europeans by the Phoenician descended people who became Muslims. The Phoenicians themselves were normal original Earth people, not Muslims or Christians. Semitic speaking people became largely Muslims save some groups like the Maltese, some Lebanese and pockets of ancient Christians and etc in the Middle East while Europeans became Christians.

EUROPA

https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-10344,00.html

The Islamic religion's lingua franca is Arabic which is a language derived from Phoenician. The Muslims referred to Europe in thesame way as did their non Islamic socio cultural ancestors and Europe was filled with relatively advanced non Muslims. So Europa ostensibly came to be synonymous with any culture that manages to become socially advanced without submitting at all to Allah.

The Malians were Muslims who used Arabic, so they applied the word to the Yoruba towards their south who were socially advanced despite not submitting at all to Allah. The word was later popularized by Hausas.

WHO WERE THE PHOENICIANS?
They appeared towards the tail end of Kemitic Egypt. We can say they took over from Kemitic Egypt as they were the dominant power in that area after the decline of Kemitic Egypt and Kemitic Egypt would have viewed them as less advanced but adventurous. They traded with each other before Kemitic Egypt declined. Ironically, the people referred to as Yoruba today speak the Kemitic Egyptian language adopted from relocatees from thesame culture that traded with Phoenicians

http://obamaandpeace..nl/2010/03/oduduwa-and-yoruba-revolution-in-world.html?m=1
This is my contribution to this topic.

The Phoenicians were proto Muslims or original Muslims with common sense and empathy as they do not convert others nor did they worship only Allah. THEY VIEWED EUROPE AS A DARK CONTINENT

http://www.ancient.eu/europe/

After Phoenicia came Greece, Persia and Rome, so the Muslims who are socio cultural and linguistic descendants of Phoenicians viewed Christian Europe not as a so dark continent anymore but as a THUG CONTINENT for prospering while not submitting to Allah.

YORUBA
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_people

Oduduwaa:
THE SAME WAY U DEFENDED IFE IS YORUBA EVEN THOUGH ILE IFE MEANS "I AV ESCAPED TO GOODNESS" IN THIER EDO LANGUAGE...... THATS THE SAME WAY AN EDO MAN WILL DEFEND BINI NOT BEING YORUBA........
WE ARE TOO DISTINCT ETHNIC GROUPS DO NOT ATTACH EDO TO US..... THEY ALWAYS REJECT N SPIT ON IT BCUS THEY KNOW THEY ARE NOT ONE OF US!!

AND YORUBA WAS A DERIGATORY WORD USED BY NORTHERNERS TO REFER TO OYO TRADERS.... I AM AN ODUA MAN!!

EDO PEOPLE MAY HAVE THEIR OWN ACCOUNT BUT IFE IS AN EVERYDAY YORUBA WORD MEANING EXPANSION. THAT TO YORUBA IS THE CAPITAL OF HUMAN CIVILIZATION. THE ZERO POINT OF THE BIG BANG OF HUMAN CIVILIZATION. IT IS A CONCEPT IN ABORISHA THEOLOGY AND THERE ARE NUMEROUS IFE SITES ACROSS WEST AFRICA. BENIN IS IFE IBINU, WE HAVE AMADZOFE IN GHANA, MAWUFE IN BENIN REPUBLIC, IFE IGALA, IFE WOODAYE IN WADAI, IFEWARA IJESA, IFETEDO, IFE IJUMU AND ETC. IT IS A MODEL TO EXPLAIN THE ORIGIN OF HUMAN EXISTENCE OR CIVILIZATION. NOT SOMETHING TO TRIVIALIZE THIS WAY. ABORISHA THEOLOGY IS FOLLOWED BY OVER 100 MILLION PEOPLE. IF YOU ADD YORUBA IN W AFRICA, THAT WILL BE 200 MILLION PEOPLE.

YORUBA OR EUROPA APPARENTLY IS A WORD USED BY MUSLIMS TO REFER TO A PEOPLE ABLE TO BUILD AN ADVANCED CIVILIZATION WITHOUT SUBMITTING TO ALLAH. THIS TO THE BRAINWASHED MUSLIMS OF SONGHAI AND ANDALUSIA WAS AN ABERRATION

Oduduwaa:
Just the same way the Benins can lay claim to Ile Ife that it is a Benin word not yoruba...... STOP THIS NONSENSE..... Or the hausas can lay claim to the Word yoruba...... DO NOT RUDICULE THE YORUBA NATION I AV WARNED U!!

IFE IS NOT A BENIN WORD. IT IS AN EVERYDAY YORUBA WORD MEANING EXPANSION. THERE DEFINITELY ARE WORDS OF DEFOID ORIGIN IN YORUBA BUT EDO PEOPLE OF BENIN SHARE NO BORDER WITH YORUBA AT ALL BEFORE GETTING THERE YOU CROSS MANY DEFOID LANGUAGES. DEFOID MEANS EDE IFE OR LANGUAGES OF IFE WHICH INCLUDES YORUBOID, AKOKOID AND EDOID LANGUAGES. YORUBA IS MALIAN WORD FOR OYOS JUST LIKE ENGLISH SPEAKERS SAY GERMAN WHEN THAT WORD IS NOT USED IN GERMANY. I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND. DIFFERENCE IS YORUBA HAS GAINED WIDESPREAD ACCEPTANCE BY ALL BUT NO YORUBA SUBGROUP IS CALLED YORUBA. IT IS JUST A CONVENIENT UMBRELLA FOR ALL LIKE EUROPEAN. YOU GET?. WE HAVE OYO IJESA IFE IJEBU ETC. EUROPE TOO ORIGINATED FROM MUSLIMS AND IT PROBABLY IS SAME WORD AS YORUBA.

Oduduwaa:
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DO NOT ATTACH BENIN TO US ..... THEY R NOT YORUBA!!.... STOP TYPING TRASH!!

YORUBA NATION NEEDS NO ATTACHMENT TO ANY TRIBE....... BE PROUD OF UR ROOTS N STOP FEELN INFERIOR TO BENIN..... TRASH!!

BENIN AS A WORD, STATE OR WHATEVER IS NOTHING BUT YORUBA. IT IS ALSO A YORUBA NAME. SO IT IS NOT ATTACHMENT BUT REALITY. HOWEVER THE EDO PEOPLE ARE NOT A YORUBOID PEOPLE.

igbodefender:
So, historical research and discourse has become bearing of false witness?! Ok, Oga continue. Why not challenge things you disagree with facts, instead of just trying to discourage discourse?

Tell us what part of what we said are lies. Osere is an Igbo priest in certain localities. Obi is an Igbo royal title. Igbo is a tribe. So, my friend, feel free to pick holes in what I just said - I doubt you will find any to pick.

YOU SHOULD ALSO NOTE THAT OBI IS USED BY BENIN IGBOS AND IT IS YORUBA FOR PARENTS. IN NAMES LIKE OBIKOYA, OBISESAN ETC. THAT I BELIEVE IS THE ORIGIN OF OBI OF BENIN IGBOS. EZE IS IGBO FOR KING.

igbodefender:
Hahahaha @ thread. Lawani my friend, well done. But I disagree with you on Ugbodu and Ogba being Yoruba. Rather, they are Lucumi Igbo (Ife aboriginal peoples).



Obatala is a West African Lucumi Igbo name. They were known as Oba Igbo and Obi Osere Igbo -ancient Igbo royal titles. 'Obi ' is an Igbo word for 'king'. 'Osere' is an Igbo word for priest. 'Igbo' is self explanatory.

YOU CANT DISAGREE UGBODU, WARRI, OGBA, IKWERRE, ONITSHA HAVE ALWAYS SAID THEY ARE BENIN. WHAT I POINTED OUT IN THIS ARTICLE IS THAT BENIN IS NOT EDO BUT YORUBA WHILE OFFERING UGBODU AND WARRI AS ACADEMIC PROOFS.

DONT IMPOSE HISTORY ON PEOPLE IT CAN BE NAUSEATING. IF THERE WERE 100 YORUBA TO 2 IGBOS IN THE PAST AND THE GAP HAS NOW CLOSED, IGBOS SHOULD BE CONTENTED BUT YOU CANT CHANGE PEOPLE'S HISTORY PASSED DOWN TO THEM BY THEIR ANCESTORS JUST BECAUSE THEY NOW SPEAK YOUR LANGUAGE. THAT IS INVASIVE.

OFUN OSA


II II
I I
I II
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OFUN SA LEFUN
OFUN SA LOSUN
OFUN SA NI MARIWO YEYE YEYE O!.
A DIFA FUN ALE OMO IKU
A BU FUN OJIYAN OMO ORUNMILA
NIJO TI WON NJIYAN.
WON NI KIWON O SEBO
OJIYAN NIKAN NI NBE LEHIN TI NSEBO
EBO RE MO TI WA LADAJU!
OJIYAN LO MOSURO SORUN
ONI LO YE KOSU KO LE!
OJIYAN TI MOSURO O
ONI LOSU O BALE!.
ASE EDUMARE.

Kingbuhari:
yellow-bar people and egoism TUFIAKWA.... abeg every rich man has a humble beginning yours is not exceptional Mr Adebayo

BUT KING BUHARI WHICH ONE IS BETTER? WHAT HE SAID OR YOU WHO HAS 30,000 CATTLE WHILE GOING ABOUT SAYING YOU HAVE 150? YOU ARE A DOLLAR BILLIONAIRE WHILE TELLING PEOPLE YOU TOOK A LOAN TO BUY NOMINATION FORM OF LIKE TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS!. IN YOUR OPINION WHO IS BETTER BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU?.

onila:
their GDP per capita might be higher
but African countries overall GDP are usually higher in triple

if you notice African small countries HDI are usually better than African countries with big population does not mean Gabon is better than Cameroon or South Africa

GDP PER CAPITA, HDI AND OVERALL OUTLOOK OF THE ECONOMY IS THE RIGHT MEASURE NOT GDP SIZE. THERE ARE COUNTRIES DOING WELL IN WEST AFRICA AND THAT ARE RESPECTED LIKE GHANA EVEN COTE DIVOIRE HAS BEST CITY. GHANA, COTE DIVOIRE ARE EVEN SOCIALLY BETTER OFF THAN SOME EUROPEAN NATIONS BY LEVEL OF CORRUPTION AND SYNCHRONICITY OF PEOPLE WITH GOVERNMENT. NIGERIA IS THE DEADWEIGHT. IF NIGERIA HAD GOTTEN IT RIGHT, WEST AFRICA MAY HAVE BEEN AHEAD OF THE CARRIBEAN NATIONS BUT PRESENTLY THE CARRIBEAN NATIONS ARE BETTER OFF. THEIR MAIN DEADWEIGHT BEING HAITI WHICH IS A MORE SERIOUS COUNTRY THAN NIGERIA BUT POOR LIKE ETHIOPIA. NIGERIA IS RICHER THAN ETHIOPIA BUT ETHIOPIA IS MORE SERIOUS AND LESS CORRUPT. NIGERIA IS MOST SIMILAR TO RUSSIA CORRUPTION WISE BUT RUSSIA IS FAR MORE SERIOUS, PROUDER, FAR RICHER TOO AND IS A WORLD POWER.

NO TWO COUNTRIES OR EVEN REGIONS JUST LIKE NO TWO PEOPLE ARE ALIKE.

THEN GABON IS BETTER THAN CAMEROON OR SOUTH AFRICA BECAUSE THERE IS MORE EQUALITY IN GABON THAN IN THOSE TWO PLACES. GABON IS A TOP DESTINATION FOR EUROPEAN TOURIST. A SMALL NATION NOT MORE THAN IJESAS IN POPULATION IF UP TO.

MOHAMMED WAS A GENUINE MAD MAN WITH A 'WORSHIP ONLY ALLAH' FETISH. YOU DO THIS RITUAL WORSHIP BY FACING MOHAMMED'S HOME TOWN AND CHANTING HIS NAME FIVE TIMES A DAY, THERE ARE OTHER EVEN MORE STUPID RITUALS. MOHAMMED TAUGHT THAT A CERTAIN ALLAH WHO GAVE HIM THE MESSAGE WILL BURN PEOPLE IN HELL WHO DONT BELIEVE THE MESSAGE. NOT FOR DOING ANY WRONG BUT FOR UNBELIEF. MOHAMMED WAS A RAPIST, PAEDOPHILE, MURDERER AND MANIACAL ARSONIST THROUGHOUT THE LATTER PART OF HIS LIFE.

OgundeyiBey:
Happiness! For the Enlightened!

Do you have a time frame for when this Odu Ifa was brought forth? Because all indications in the history of Islam indicates it is an ancient religion as well, more ancient than 1400 years ago with the advent of the aspect of Islam that Prophet Mohammed united his people back under. There is only one science that has propelled mankind, and that is the path of Peace. I personally view Ifa and Islam as one and the same.
So I respectfully ask, what is the time frame of this Odu ifa.

HOW YOU ARE WRONG IS THAT OLODUMARE IS DIFFERENT FROM ALLAH. ALLAH BURNS PEOPLE IN HELL FOR UNBELIEF WHILE OLODUMARE HAS OWN WAY OF DEALING WITH EVIL DOERS. UNBELIEF IS NOT WRONG FOR OLODUMARE. IF YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BELIEVE THEN SHOW THEM ENOUGH EVIDENCE. OLODUMARE DOES NOT COERCE BELIEF VIA TERRORISM. THEN NO SPECIAL PERSON, PEOPLE OR LANGUAGE WITH OLODUMARE. ALL GOOD PEOPLE ARE SUPPORTED EQUALLY. NO MAN IS SOMETHING OTHERS CANT BECOME LIKE GOD OR LAST PROPHET. PLS DESIST FROM SAYING ABORISHA AND ISLAM ARE SAME AS THEY ARE OPPOSITES.

IF THIS WERE TRUE, HOW COME THERE WERE OVER 50 PASTORS SENIOR TO HIM BACK THEN? OF WHICH MANY LEFT THE CHURCH BECAUSE OF HIS ASCENDANCY WHICH THEY SAW AS FRAUDULENT?.

ADEBOYE BECAME GO BY PLAYING A TAPE WHICH HE SAID WAS THE VOICE OF GOD SAYING HE SHOULD SUCCEED LATE REV AKINDAYOMI. MANY PASTORS COULD NOT STOMACH IT AND THEY PROMPTLY LEFT. I BELIEVE IF YOU VALUE RCCG PROPERTIES BACK THEN, IT MAY BE WORTH N500 MILLION TODAY, SO ADEBOYE STOP YOUR MISYARNING NA CRAP.

LordAdam7:
I'd hate to stop your flow, you're doing a nice service by telling Nigerian history.

And by the way, if you know where I can get the book online please tell me and I'll place an order.

But to answer your retort, Bini at some point routed Yoruba towns, even going as far as Eko (Eko is a bini word). If you dig hard enough you'll find a short list of Yoruba towns that were vassals to the Oba at various times of Yoruba history.

However, the issue was that the Obas were very vile and wicked. It is why there was mass emigration from the Bini empire by present day Urhobo, Isoko, and several other peoples in the SS regions. And why the Obas couldn't consolidate on victories to expand deep into Yoruba land.

I will also agree that feudal history in pre-independence Nigeria and in fact the rest of the world was marked by blatant and often shameful bouts of treachery. But the treachery I refer to here is not prince to king treachery, but the treachery against your own people for selfish reasons. The difference should be made. I wonder how long the Yoruba people will turn a blind eye to that (not that I care anyway).

I don't fully agree on the root causes you mentioned, but then that's another discussion altogether.

Keep the posts coming.

-Lord

Because Yorubas did not allow Igbos to colonise them in 1967, the Yoruba are therefore treacherous. Maintaining the cultural and territorial integrity of Yoruba is a humanitarian cause! You get?. If you had succeeded, it would be a calamity for humanity as you people rewrite history to suit yourself. Not only Yoruba loses but everybody. So keep your own culture and territory for Earth's library and stop your long throat without which the 500 thousand Biafran dead would have lived. Afonja was a great man who was killed for insisting that the post of chief Imam Ilorin should not be preserved for only Alimi's line despite that the children of Alimi's Fulani wives were disinherited and sent away. Afonja died at the post of a Yoruba nationalist unlike you lot who have nothing to fight for. He never did a single thing against Yoruba national interest. Not a single thing. Afonja was a great man whose shoe lace you are unworthy to untie.

On Benin, you people talk like kids but I will always teach you. Which Benin town is the Edo language spoken? Only in Benin and it was not spoken in the city in the past but in the suburbs. Other Benin towns spoke and still speak Yoruba apart from those who have gained Igbo from their neighbors. Urhobo, Isoko etc are totally different lnguages from Edo more than Norwegian is different from English!. So understand the issues before you spew nonsense. Ok?. Benin was a Yoruba state thorough and thorough like Ijesa, Ijebu or Oyo. No difference. Benin suburbs is the only place till today that ever spoke Edo language. Warri till today speak Yoruba as do Ugbodu in Aniocha. Onitsha did so in the past. So learn today and stop referring to the Benin empire as Edo because it was Yoruba.

Build your own legacy, focus on your land and stop trying to pull others down. It has never happened before in history that an invasion force is welcomed with dancing!. Akintola and Awo never betrayed each other. It was an ideological rift. Awo believed there should be opposition while Akintola said there is no need for opposition and Akintola will be proved right soon as opposition politics goes out of fashion. So find another treachery example.

Better sit up and stop crying over split milk. Thank God for the land you have too. Many groups will be happy to have that land to manage.

READ COL OJUKWU'S LETTER WHERE HE SAID IGBO TROOPS WILL REMAIN IN YORUBA LAND FOR AS LONG AS BIAFRA DEEM FIT AND THAT LAGOS WILL BE RULED BY BIAFRA. PLEASE IF YOUR FOREBEARS ARE IDIOTS, MINE ARE NOT.

https://www.dawodu.com/biafra1.htm

List caribbean nations and list African nations. Check average GDP per capita, life expectancy and HDI and Carribean average might be double African average or more. Carribean average is probably well above world average and even probably above Latin American average. That is the issue. Gabon, Botswana, Namibia, Ghana, Cote dIvoire are better than Haiti while Nigeria is a big mess. No power and there is cultural corruption.

CANAANITE IS A BIBLE TERMINOLOGY JUST LIKE PERSIA. CANAANITE IS PHOENICIAN TO HISTORIANS. THEY APPEARED TOWARDS WHEN EGYPT WAS WINDING UP AND THEIR LANGUAGE IS THE ANCESTOR OF ALL SEMITIC LANGUAGES INCLUDING HEBREW AND ARABIC. THE CLOSEST LANGUAGE TO PHOENICIAN IS HEBREW. IT IS ESSENTIALLY PHOENICIAN. WHO ARE THE CLOSEST RELATIVES TO PHOENICIANS OR CANAANITES? I WILL SAY THE LEBANESE. SO WHAT IS THE CORRELLATION BETWEEN PHOENICIA AND YORUBAS WHO SPEAK A KEMITIC EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE THAT DOMINATED ASIA MINOR BEFORE PHOENICIA?. THE CANAANITES WE HAVE ARE THE JEWS AND ARABS THEMSELVES. THEY ARE CANAANITES JUST LIKE THE SPANISH, FRENCH, ITALIAN, PORTUGUESE ARE ROMANS.

IF YOUR DEFINITION OF MONOTHEISM IS WORSHIP OF ONLY ONE GOD, THEN I SAY MINE IS THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF ONLY ONE GOD TOO BIG TO BE WORSHIPPED. THAT IS THE CULTURAL THEOLOGY THROUGHOUT WEST AFRICA. THE GOD OF WEST AFRICAN CULTURAL THEOLOGY IS NOT A PARTISAN LIKE THE BIBLE OR QURAN GOD.

To industrialize garri production is hard, mainly because of transportation costs. So small holders continue to control unlike vegetable oil which has been taken over by refineries refining PKO, even refineries make palmoil nowadays. Small holders are still there but are being cleared off gradually. In Malaysia, palm oil is their industry. Refineries, chemical plants, bio diesel etc.

I dont think India can grow cassava but if they can, it can hardly be economical to produce garri in India and sell here. I doubt it. They would rather grow cassava and use for animal feed or sell to the Chinese who use it to produce fuel grade ethanol. India can also use it for that. Note that the Chinese are ready to buy USD 50 billion cassava per annum but our people dont want to sell at the price they want to buy because there is higher demand at higher price locally. We use cassava for food. Its staple food here but in the case of India, they would sell to the Chinese if they can grow it instead of shipping garri here. Its easy and cheap to cultivate.

Teempakguy:
so you are saying,


we're essentially half cast descendants?

DNA TEST WILL SHOW ALL EARTHLINGS TO BE MIXED RACE BUT YOUR HUE OR SKIN COLOR IS DETERMINED BY THE NUMBER OF FILIAL GENERATIONS YOU HAVE SPENT EVEN WITHOUT INTERMARRIAGE.

Olu317:
ORUNMILA WAS A PROPHET AND ODUDUWA WAS THE KING. THEY EXISTED THE SAME TIME.... YOU SEEMINGLY FORGET THAT IN THE ANCIENT TIMES, PEOPLE DID LIVED MORE THAN 200 YEARS. SO GET THIS FACT CORRECTLY. ODUA WAS A MAN WHO CAME WITH HIS PEOPLE WHEN ASSYRIA FELL DUE TO CONQUEST. THE NAME ODUA /ODUDUWA, ANASARA ORUNMILA, OBATALA, ESHU, OGUN, YEMOJA, etc aren't West Africa names... The ADE AARE is as old as old two thousand five hundred years. The time Odua came with his group was when ILE IFE EXISTED. And they brought the same model of kingship obtainable in ISRAEL.
There were thirteen settlement that had smaller kings at ILE IFE before Odua retained all the smaller kings and merged all under one authority SUPREME. This show similarity with the THIRTEEN TRIBES OF ISRAEL

YOUR POST TO ME IS VERY SILLY PLEASE!. MUST YOU ATTACH YOURSELF TO BIBLE STORIES?. ORUNMILA DEVELOPED THE 256 BINARY CODES USED IN IFA DIVINATION WHICH IS AN UPGRADE OF THE 16 BITS GIVEN BY OBATALA. ODUDUWA OLOFIN AJALAYE WAS THE FIRST OLOFIN ON EARTH. IT WAS LATER THAT ORUNMILA WAS KING MAYBE AS A RESULT OF HIS DIVINATION INNOVATION AND HE ORUNMILA COULD HAVE BEEN TITLED ODUDUWA AS WELL. ODUDUWA REFERS TO THE OLU ODU AND EVERY PERSON PERFECT LIKE THE OLU ODU THE CREATOR. AN ODUDUWA IS A PERFECT PERSON.

WE ARE ON 10059 YORUBA CALENDAR. JEWISH CALENDAR IS AROUND 5000 YEARS IF UP TO. YORUBA STARTED COUNTING FROM WHEN IFE OODAYE WAS DESTROYED AND IFE OOYELAGBO ESTABLISHED. ABRAHAM WAS BORN MORE THAN 5000 YEARS AFTER THAT. SO PLEASE DONT RECONCILE YORUBA HISTORY WITH BIBLE STORIES THAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY!.

If we have twenty ancestors as Homo Sapiens or human beings, we might say that two to four of them were not human beings at all!. By genetic make up. Just thesame way pussy cats are not lions, tigers are not leopards, lions are not tigers and etc. They are different species. However the remaining 16 to 18 were Homo Sapiens originating from East Africa. That is the area we find human beings who are most similar to the most ancient human beings. Hence the 'Out of Africa' theory which is inadequate because the small seemingly insignificant non human DNA from our non human ancestors might be the rate determinant or catalyst. For example a group of aliens might land on Earth, 100 in number, mainly men, who then teach us how to increase our lifespan to twenty thousand years, intermarry with us, die off and leave descendants. Those are rate determiners, yet insignificant by genetic footprint.

Some of our non human ancestors have been identified and named, some like the European Neanderthal and the Asian Denisovan have had their genome mapped and can actually be brought back alive amongst us. There are others yet unidentified and genome mapped but are represented in the genetic makeup of subsaharan Africans. They are not Homo Sapiens but we have no names for them yet. Probably because the remains of any of them have never been found. They appeared, mixed with humans and left their genetic footprint in our DNA mix as clearly distinguishable non human genes in thesame way you check a Liger's gene and can determine for sure it is an hybrid of two different species of felines. Such is the foundation of our specie. I am Yoruba and I carry the genes of those unidentified non humans. I carry Neanderthal genes from Europe and possibly Denisovan as well and a preponderance of Homo Sapiens that originated from East Africa. That is true for all humans.

As Yorubas who speak a language spoken 5 thousand years ago in Kemitic Egypt, you should accept it as a matter of fact that some of your ancestors were white people. The society of those who owned that language was made up of Caucasians and Negroes as shown in their artworks that exist to this day. Europe itself was covered by ice maybe over 20 thousand years ago but prior to that, people lived there and those people would have been invariably lighter skinned than people to the South because of climate. The Kemitic Egyptian civilization was made up of such people in combination with darker skinned people who ostensibly came from Wadai known to the Yoruba as Ife Oodaye. Together they built Kemitic Egypt which is seen as grandparent of our modern civilization by historians. However the Indus valley civilization in India was larger than the combination of Egypt and Sumer. They all traded with each other. That covers East of the Atlantic but not China or the West Indies!.

However no doubt that thousands of years before Stonehenge, Egypt, Sumer, Indus valley etc, there probably was a global society that built pyramids and used them for a purpose we are yet to fully decipher and it maybe scientific.

Kemitic Egypt prospered for a while and then collapsed and the people moved South enmasse to mix with people in Yoruba West Africa who adopted the language.
You have white ancestors as there were Caucasians among them.

I had posited in the first part of this series that there was no African in sight asking Barbara Bush to marry him as potential fulfilment of her birth prophecy but that is not quite true. There is infact one African that I know of and not only African but also Nigerian, an Iwere (Itsekiri) from Delta state. The Itsekiri are an extant Yoruba group who were not part of the assembly that decided to adopt the Yoruba identity in the mid 20th century. Prior to then, Ogedengbe Agbogungboro the Balogun Ijesa and leader of the Kiriji forces during the Yoruba civil war had made a statement to the effect that 'The Yoruba are too overbearing! And they must be curtailed!, though we are all thesame children of Oduduwa!'. Balogun Ogedengbe died in 1910 as an Ijesa man. Ijesas now identify as Yorubas while the Iwere or Itsekiri do not, really, but they are no different from the adjacent Ilaje in Ondo who speak same dialect as them or even Ijesa!. Infact the 16th century Ijesa King, Owa Atakunmosa must have spent the over five decades he spent in the Benin empire amongst the Iwere or Itsekiri where earned the alias Atakunmosa meaning 'The Mariner'.

Ayonmike Ajuyah, born in December 1978 a year and close to two months older than me, native of Warri is the one who proposed to Barbara before me.

I met him at the Yaba psychiatry and he told me the story himself without my telling him about my own relationship with Barbara. He was in a drug rehab program. He abused marijuana which affects him and he appears powerless to curb himself. So he kind of goes in and out of rehab. His Dad is late. The Dad was a lawyer, company secretary of the NNPC subsidiary NAPIMS, his mum a retired headmistress. He has a lawyer sister and accountant brother as well as Medical doctor step bro from his Dad's second wife. He was admitted to UNN for Pharmacy but dropped out, probably due to drug abuse. However he was bent on getting a degree and he got one in Political Science University of Abuja after we left Yaba. He now works in Uniben as a temporary staff.

Out his love for marijuana, leading to abuse, he is very serious minded from a good family and not yet married. BSc, Political Science. Let me add that in Yaba are many people not sick but who are there because they cant stop drug abuse otherwise they are cool.

Ayonmike told me he proposed marriage to Barbara in a letter to President Bush in care of the CIA. He said Barbara used other means to tell him 'Get your act together!' but he went in and out of rehab and was not able to acquire a degree until recently.

I have to say first come first serve applies too and if not for Ayonmike's circumstances of drug abuse, I might not have been the winner of Barbara's hand in marriage but Ayonmike. I fixated on Tola because of first come first serve back then. The principle is valid, other things being equal. I am not more of a gentleman than Ayonmike but I am more of other things while he too is more of other things!.

He is Iwere/Itsekiri while I am Ijesa. He is 39 while I am 37. His father is better known in Nigeria since he was a top notch civil servant, than my ex father but my paternal grandfather was a well known first republic politician, former headmaster and holder of British management degrees, my maternal grandpa too was a well known headmaster. His own family may not be that. He speaks only English fluently while I speak Yoruba and English fluently.. I am a very concerned social reform crusader while he appears to be one too but on the platform of Christianity aligned with people like Pastor Adeboye.

Above all, Barbara is naturally drawn to me to the point of obsession. Anytime I logged on to chat on yahoo messenger back then, she would come up as Tola eager with questions. She told me 'I do not know anyone like you and I love you'.

However, we live in a matrix and everything is magic, so a research paper that has proved very useful to me was put together by a team comprising of Itsekiris to establish firmly the connection between the Yoruboid peoples and Kemitic Egypt though I do not agree with all the conclusions. It however proved a tangible contribution to my efforts. I have written a rejoinder to the research paper which they must have seen and then more papers to solidify the Yoruba-Kemitic Egypt connection but disproving the notion of Oduduwa being from Egypt or the word being Egyptian in origin as they posited. Their paper was a good resource material.

So a Nigerian actually proposed to Barbara to fulfil her prophecy but it was years after she was married down for me by the Global Elite led by her Granddad. That was an interesting joke by God.

Olu317:
With due respect to this write up. Certain issue need be clarified. The AROGBO IJAW had not lived at MAHIN domain for centuries.... Less than a centuries which was due to trade. The Nigeria archive have the record to support it. In fact these people called Arogbo Ijaw in Ondo state speak a Yoruboid Language as closely related to ITSEKIRI LANGUAGE. And their language is distinct to a large extent from IJAW(IZONS) proper. However, If a people claim a certain identity of a particular tribe, let them be as whom they claim. So, I have no reason to disagree with Arogbo Ijaws. Then on the issue of Kurds... they are too complicated because of they spread across many countries in Middle Eastern Asia. It will be so hard for them to have a country of their own except all Kurds agree on a chosen location which may naturally fall within SYRIA AND TURKEY. The reason for this is the population strength of the Kurds in Eastern and Southeastern Turkey inhabiting over 22 million Kurds according to the CIA finding and the Separatist organisation as the PKK is always a threat to Erdogan government in Turkey. And western Powers and people that matters know that without the Kurds militia attacking ISIS and with the help of America fighter jets supporting in the mid air it would have been so hard to substantively to suppress ISIS this far. From IRAQ to SYRIA. The Kurds had been effective against ISIS. But this is a difficult task if having a country of its own because of the their settlement pattern which aren't homogeneity in nature. Although the American government is solidly behind the Kurds to a large extent and may support this notion once the Kurds get their butt together. Lastly preservation of all the different tribes or ethnicity's culture is a herculean task because of conquest; either religious wise, subjugation wise for economics reasons or outrightly as a result of language extinction which may be due to archaic or barbarism ideologies.

MOST WESTERN IJAWS HAVE BOTH IJAW AND YORUBA HERITAGE BUT A BAYELSA IJAW ONCE TOLD ME IN ILE IFE THAT HE CAN UNDERSTAND THE IJAW SPOKEN BY SOME ONDO IJAWS EVEN BETTER THAN SOME EASTERN IJAW DIALECTS. I THINK THAT IS TESTIMONY TO A RECENT ARRIVAL. THE CLAIM SURPRISED ME AS EVEN YORUBAS FROM FAR APART STATES DO FIND IT DIFFICULT UNDERSTANDING EACH OTHER'S DIALECTS.

ON KURDS, WHAT IS HAPPENING IN TURKEY HAS TO STOP. IF 20 MILLION KURDS WILL REMAIN TURKISH CITIZENS, THEN THE MINIMUM IS THEY MUST PRESERVE THEIR CULTURAL HERITAGE FOR THE WHOLE EARTH. TURKEY USED TO BAN THE USE OF KURDISH IN SCHOOLS AND ETC AND EVEN ON RADIO. IF EARTH IS REORGANISED, KURDS WILL HOLD THEIR OWN WHEREVER THEY ARE WHETHER AS REGIONS IN TURKEY, IRAQ, SYRIA AND IRAN OR AS A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY, LITTLE DIFFERENCE. IF TURKEY IS SENDING 10 PEOPLE TO A REORGANISED UN, AT LEAST TWO KURDS MUST BE THERE. IF KURDISTAN IS CREATED FROM TURKEY, THEY TAKE THEIR INCOME TAX THEMSELVES, IF NOT, TURKEY TAKES IT. IT MUST BE NOTED THAT THE WHOLE OF SAUDI, IRAQ, IRAN ETC WAS HELD BY OTTOMAN TURKS AND IF THOSE PEOPLE CAN BE GRANTED INDEPENDENCE BY THE ALLIED FORCES, WHY NOT KURDS? A WHOLE KINGDOM WAS GIVEN TO THE AL SAUD FAMILY!. HOW MUCH MORE KURDS?. THE MINIMUM I BELIEVE IS AUTONOMY OVER THEIR AFFAIRS WHICH THEY HAVE ALREADY IN A WAY BECAUSE THEY FIGHT WARS!. THEY NEED RECOGNITION BUT TURKEY IS A KEY NATO MEMBER WITH INFLUENCE.

Nigeria is a case in point of multiculturalism where everything is totally muddled up, yet there was relative peace and tranquility centuries back!. Nowadays we have bitter rivalry between different ethnic nationalities. It is a survival instinct but it should be managed well. All Earth cultures are Earth properties and they all should be preserved and nourished in as ancient a form as possible, so that we can always reference them easily when there is a need to do that!.

Let all communities have some sovereignty over their lands just like individuals over their lives!.. For example, the Ijaw in Ondo have been there for centuries and they should have control over their towns and villages but they can not block access to the sea for others neither can they have maritime rights excluding the people who granted land to their ancestors which means they can not be sovereign but should have a state of their own, they should control their affairs, promote their culture and language, whether in a Yoruba country or Nigeria even if their total population is 20,000. It should be a state with a Governor. There are sovereign states of similar population. This should be the rule unless they want otherwise, in which case, they should still have some autonomy as a unit even if just a local government.

This applies to other groups too like Edo, Afemai, Esan, Urhobo, Etsako, Akoko, Isoko and etc. All these groups should govern themselves, promote and preserve their culture and language whether in a Yoruba state or in Nigeria. They are large enough. In a Yoruba state, their representative at the capital should be multilingual. That person should speak Yoruba to join a Yoruba national assembly while Yorubas in their own place too learn their language and culture in the schools. That was the case in pre colonial Nigeria in all of the extents of the Yoruba West Africa which extended westward to Ghana. English of course should remain an international language which it is even in Japan, China and India. The world can not work without such a language or languages.

A group like the Olukunmi in Delta state should have their own state to preserve their cultural heritage. They are a number of Yoruba speaking towns and there are sovereign nations below them in population.

Among Yorubas, different groups know their territory. Ijesa, Ife, Ibadan, Ilorin, Ofa, Jebba, Ijebu, Egba etc. They all know their towns and extents. They can control them and allign under a larger Yoruba umbrella. Same applies to Igbos, Igala, Tiv, Idoma and etc. Let people coalesce freely and align freely but the Ijaws of Warri should understand that their ancestors did not landlock the Iwere or Itsekiri and they, the Ijaws of Nigeria will be wrong to attempt that. The Warri Ijaws have similar status with the Ilaje Ijaws of Ese odo Local government in Ondo state. They have land but can not exclude their hosts from maritime rights!. This is because the land is Ilaje and Iwere land respectively but held by Ijaws. In thesame way Modakeke is Ife land held by Oyos and Modakeke acknowledge that.

As a matter of fact, the United Nations will have to take over the wider oceans and its resources in the long run including taking a share in far offshore oil fields but even fishing rights can not be enjoyed by the Ijaw in exclusion of others especially on coastal lands where they had no pre Nigeria sovereignty.

This applies to Kurds as well. Turkish Kurds, Iraqi Kurds, Syrian Kurds and etc. Kurds should be allowed a measure of sovereignty if not full sovereignty over the lands they hold!. It makes everything beautiful. Every human being on Earth have relations among all the Earth's peoples. Variety is beautiful.

Oduduwaa:
You are clearly Obsessesed and Unstable!!

WHO ARE YOU BY THE WAY? I WRITE WITH MY FULL CORRECT ID AND WITH AN ACADEMIC APPROACH AND YOU, A NONENTITY WITH NO ID ARE SAYING I AM UNSTABLE AND OBSESSED?. OBSESSED WITH WHAT?.

IT IS A SACRED DUTY FOR US ALL TO MAKE ACADEMIC CONTRIBUTIONS TO ANY DISCOURSE BUT YOUR KIND IS A DRAWBACK ON HUMANITY AS A WHOLE. A WASTE PRODUCT.

Oduduwaa:
Why dont you just let this people be, Must we yorubas be the first to find trouble?
You are clearly disoriented and lack direction..... Just look at the trash u posted up.

I am Yoruba and one thing i know and admire about the Edos is thier zeal and drive to preserve thier culture and history of many centuries ..

The time you spend daily wanking n self juicing untop Edo matter shud be used on researching more about yoruba history or dont we yorubas av a rich history too?.... The benins are taught thier history from birth and do not need a stranger n certainly not a yoruba man to tell dem so.....Disist from Edo matter and stop this obssesion!!

I TREAT ANY ACADEMIC MATTER WORTHY OF TREATMENT. I AM NOT OBSESSED. PLS MIND YOUR LANGUAGE.

spartan117:
Op it seems you really came here to write"O.P(OUT OF POINT!) We d binis trace our origin to the era of d ogisos long before d time of oduduwa

I NEVER QUESTIONED THAT!. THE BARIBA ARE ON THEIR 317TH KING!.

How did we come to have so many different kinds of Igbos?. I might say the Nri Igbos survived to a large extent an epidemic that decimated urban agglomerations. The Nri Igbos were villagers attached to their villages while Yoruba, Efik and Edoid peoples had central governance and cities of varying sizes. Some of these cities were wiped off by epidemics. It may have been a kind of plague and this position is reinforced by the fact that the Yoruba are said to be resistant to Lassa fever carried by rats. It may be what the Yoruba call eku eeda, a rat specie that must have spread disease in the past. Probably the survivors traded with Igbos who came from Nri villages, intermarried with and acquired their language and etc and are now largely Igbos by acculturisation. However the Igboid cultural sphere is somehow distinct, though it also overlaps with others.

Many years ago, maybe thousands of years before the time of Orunmila, the Yoruba spoke an Akokoid language, remnants of which remain in Ondo, Northern Edo, Kogi and Kwara among groups like the Akoko and the Ogori Magongo. Those are the remnants of ancient Ife speakers. Along the line the language was changed by relocatees from Kemitic Egypt who surely came in large numbers bypassing the old capital at Wadai to settle in bulk in Southern Nigeria. It is their language we speak today as Yorubas by well over 50 percent vocabulary and structure. Thousands of years later, a stranger from Mecca was crowned Olofin Aye and renamed Oduduwa probably at a more Northerly Ife but they moved South and established another Ife on the land of the Ugbos. The Ugbos raided them but later reached a truce with them and recognised the place as Ile Ife or Ife Ooyelagbo.

It is from this new Ife and from this new arrival from Mecca that the new Yoruba states of Oyo, Ijesa, Benin, Igbomina, Ijebu, Owu, Ketu, Popo etc were established. The old ones of Aramoko, Ire, Owo, Ijero etc were descended from Orunmila. People need to grasp this. There was no Oyo, Benin, Ijesa etc during the life time of the first Orunmila!.

BENIN

Old name is Igodomigodo. The people are called Edo which in Yoruba language also means 'settler' by the etymology. In Igbo, Obodo means 'place of settlement' just like Ibudo in Yoruba. If you say Ado (re mi), it means the one who settled different from Ado (do mi) which is another Yoruba name for Benin, Ado (do mi) also means talisman depending on context which is why the Alaafin Sango is called 'Alado' meaning the magician or the one who has many talismans. So the word Edo means settlers, it is a descriptive noun, it is just like Ido which means settlement. Occurring in place names like Ido Ajinare, Ido Ijesa etc and the old name of Ogbomosho 'Ido Ogbori Elemosho'. As further examples if you say a proposal is 'Eja' (do mi). It means it is unacceptable. Ja means disqualified or detached. If you say someone is 'Egbe' (do re), they are timid which comes from gbe or dry. So if you say people are Edo (do mi), it means they are settlers or aborigines. The rendition rhymes with Yoruba structure but the word 'do' means same in Yoruba and Igbo, Obodo and Ibudo means same, former is Igbo and latter is Yoruba. I would not know of Edo language. I am not conversant with that language.

People back then were not thugs like today. They used oracles the way we use smart phones. So, a Yoruba man speaking the Egyptian tongue was made King by the Edo oracle at Igodomigodo during what we might call a visit to Igodomigodo for a theological conference. That town back then would not have been large probably junior to some Urhobo or Ora towns back then but the Yoruba man brought Yorubas in large numbers and changed the town name to Ife Ubinu after an even,t meaning the new Ife of Vexation. Yoruba became the lingua franca while the natives spoke their Edo in the suburbs like in the past. There are many very large Edoid groups with mutually unintelligible languages. Similar to each other like Ebira to Gwari or Nupe and Edo today is not the largest of them. It also appears that Edo is the word used by the Benin to refer to the aborigines in the suburbs while the aborigines refer to themselves as Ekpenkpen or something similar sounding but Edo is now more popular.

The Benin empire was thus a Yoruba empire and the most Easterly Benin towns are Yoruba towns and not Edoid. Those are towns like Ugbodumila in Delta state meaning the forest saved me and Warri in same Delta state which is probably from same lineage as Iwere ile in Oyo. Anyone can be descended from the other. There is no doubt that Onitsha and Ogba land were Yoruba towns in the past and never Edoid like the now Igbo people from those places think. The Yoruba spoken in Ugbodu is Owo dialect and that would be the old language of Onitsha and Ogba land before they became Igbos.

I do not like how things are muddled up on cyberspace and even by so called academics. So THAT IS MY OWN INSIGHT OR PERSPECTIVE.

In the mid 18th century, Brazil was 10 percent free blacks. Not counting slaves. See you can as well ask why Portuguese culture dominates Brazil and not Igbo!. Be color blind. Yoruba was a socially advanced nationality, more advanced than Europeans in some areas back then before the industrial revolution while Igbos were an isolated people like the Koma people in Adamawa. That is the answer to your question. In other words the Yoruba were peers of Europeans back then unlike now.

IMAGINATION CAN HELP. A CHINESE MAN IS MADE KING BY THE ORACLE IN A SMALL TOWN OF 100,000. HE THEN WENT BACK AND BROUGHT 50,000 CHINESE TO HELP HIM RULE, FROM THERE THEY EXTENDED THE SMALL TOWN INTO A CHINESE EMPIRE COVERING 1000 TIMES THE AREA OF THE SMALL VILLAGE. THEY USE CHINESE AS LINGUA FRANCA AND RELATE WITH CHINA. THEY SET UP NEW TOWNS WITH CHINESE NAMES AND BECAME AN EMPIRE OF 10 MILLION WITH CHINESE AS LINGUA FRANCA UNTIL THE EMPIRE COLLAPSED AFTER A FEW CENTURIES AND THE CAPITAL WAS OVERWHELMED BY DESCENDANTS OF THE ORIGINAL LANDOWNERS WHO LIVE IN THE SUBURBS. THEY THEN STARTED TO WRITE OUT THE CHINESE FROM THEIR HISTORY!.

OYO HAS TWO CITIES OF WORLD REKNOWN. IBADAN AND OGBOMOSO THEN FOLLOWED BY OYO ALAAFIN, SHAKI, AWE ETC. OSUN HAS OSOGBO, ILESA, IFE, IWO, EDE, ILA, GBONGAN, IKIRUN ETC.

IBADAN HAS LARGE CATTLE RANCHES TO THE EXTENT BEEF IS CHEAP IN THE CITY.

THE POPULATION OF OYO IS MORE THAN OSUN AND OYO IS SECOND ONLY TO LAGOS ONLY THAT THEIR GOVERNMENT IS SLEEPING. ONLY KADUNA STATE HAS TWO CITIES OF WORLD REKNOWN LIKE OYO. THE KADUNA CITIES ARE KADUNA AND ZARIA.

THESE ARE AFRICA'S LARGEST URBAN CENTERS AND REMEMBER CITIES WANT PEOPLE TO LIVE IN IT.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_in_Africa

arinze2015:
nigga you are lucky that i find it difficult to post it because of my phone type

EBONYI IS A POOR STATE. ONE MIGHT SAY THE VALUE OF THE REAL ESTATE ON IFE LAND ALONE WILL SURPASS THAT OF THE WHOLE OF EBONYI STATE IN VALUE.

EBONYI IS CATEGORISED BY POOR AND AS ELDS BY JAMB. EDUCATIONALLY LESS DEVELOPED STATE. THEY HAVE LOW CUT OFFS.