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GorkoSusaay:
Nowenuse, you should know that Lawani is a very thick guy.
He never lets facts, history and logic stand on the way of his childish mumblings.
Nice write-up on Ilorin, by the way

Nowenuse:
See, stop making generalizations for God sake, u are not from Kwara and neither are you from Ilorin emirate. Me i am from neither places and i dont make generalizations about the place because i have met Ilorin indigenes who claim fulani, nupe, yoruba and ilorin tribe itself.

Read this link below and confirm, it was written by Ilorin indigenes who believe they are yoruba because they are afonja's descendants and they clearly noted the fact that their city is in identity crisis and some of their friends claim to be fulani because they are fulani descendants

http://www.thescoopng.com/femi-owolabi-akeem-addio-ilorin-the-city-wrapped-in-a-crisis-of-identity/

Dont just sit in your room in Ogbomosho and be concluding facts you know nothing about. Hear from the horse's mouth!



This is just like someone claiming that the Anioma people of Delta state are 100 % igbos, that is very wrong. The people of Anioma are mixed, some beieve they are igbos and some do not, some still speak igala, yoruba and edo as their mother's tongue in Anioma till date.

Ilorin emirate is a mixed place and nothing can change that! I have met familes from Ilorin who claim they are fulani and Nupes and you have no right to deny them the choice of their ethnicity!

Nowenuse:
Ignorance is really a problem that sometimes defer treatment.

The most influential families and leaders from Ilorin have disclaimed yoruba identity publicly, deal with that @lawani

Nowenuse:
According to your theory, the Nupe speaking parts of Moro LGA (under Ilorin emirate traditional council and part of greater Ilorin urban area) are now yorubas.
Congratulations for that discovery @lawani

Nowenuse:
Well, i dont think it makes any difference we arguing or wasting our time about this issue because whether we argue or not, there are some facts we cannot change!

I wish the Ilorin indigenes were here to speak for themselves so that we can hear from the horses mouth directly.
So far so good, majority of the most influential families from Ilorin have never claimed to be yoruba publicly, some like the Sarakis (the most influential family from Ilorin) have publicly disclaimed yoruba identity.

I dont know if u have ever studied the emirate system of rulership and how it functions, pls go and study more about this and use hausa land as a case study. The emirate system promote religion above ethnicity and cultural values. As long as Ilorin is concerned, the traditional leadership of the land will welcome a fulani muslim from Katsina more than the average yoruba from the Southwest when it comes to issues of paramount concern, this is something alien to yoruba culture at large.


Many Ilorin indigenes, leaders and big shots who the society look up to for leadership do not participate in Pan yoruba associations, they never speak on behalf of yoruba people or yoruba issues, they do not celebrate or believe in yoruba traditional festivals and rituals and they never take pride in yoruba culture, history and origin.

If the entire yoruba leadership can accept the extreme differences of Ilorin people and the fact that most Ilorin people will take the command of the fulani controlled Sultanate and oneness as supreme or first before any yoruba influence, then thats great and i wish them goodluck.

The question then remains, what do Ilorin indigenes think of themselves? Do they prefer to declare and identify with yoruba culture and identity or the hausa fulani ones? Which do they emphasize on more? Are they perfectly Okay with the northerner tag or they wish to be united with the southwest just as Okun and Offa (Kwara south) people have been wishing? These are the questions their leaders and elders must come out to answer, it is not by any of us sitting down in our rooms and punching our keypads to declare where these people stand when in true life the case may be different.

Alas, from what we can see so far, the most influential people and traditional leaders of Ilorin tilt towards the North and northern hausa-fulani islamic union and identity than the Omo Oduduwa union and identity and this is something we cannot wish away, it is the reality on ground.

MENELIK1:
Who told you Modakeke is Ife land?

Nowenuse:
@ lawani
I'd like to know, are u from Kwara?
I schooled with an Ilorin girl from Bello family, her mother is hausa, so she speaks yoruba and hausa fluently. She never for one day claims yoruba as her tribe. If u ask her her tribe, she just says Ilorin.

Late Abubakar Olusola Saraki, the elder statesman came out before the whole world and said that he is not a yoruba man even though his mother's tongue may be yoruba and that is how it has been with the whole Saraki family in Ilorin, as well as so many other big families and elites of Ilorin. Have u really met true indigenes of Ilorin emirate?? If not i doubt you will talk that way!
And pls when i say Ilorin indigenes, i dont mean Offa or other parts of Kwara south, i mean Kwara central (Ilorin emirate proper)?

Nowenuse:
All Ilorin people cannot be under yoruba culture, because yoruba identity and culture is largely defined by a traditional system of rulership where the people are purely ruled, guided, directed and united by a common traditional system. This is absent in Ilorin!
Most Ilorin indigenes see islam more as a uniting factor unlike what u may observe in other parts of yoruba land where culture is the factor of unity and religion plays a second role.
The average ilorin muslims for instance will most likely prefer a hausa, fulani or any other muslim to assume positions of leadership in their land than a fellow indigene Ilorin christian.

Culture is not just about language alone!

There is no Hausa or Fulani indigene of Ilorin. Just one Hausa compound and one Fulani compound by origin and not present identity. Both are Baloguns. Then you have Ajikobi and Alanamu who are the biggest Baloguns, then Baba Isale, Magaji Aare and etc who trace descent to Oyo, igbomina and etc. It was Ajikobi that signed the protection agreement with the British and he was the traditional ruler then. Alanamu and Ajikobi were exiled by the British. however Ilorin was ruled by Muslims in the past just like Iwo that adopted sharia. At best you say Ilorin was a Muslim state. A Yoruba Muslim state not a Fulani jihad state. A Yoruba Muslim state bounded to the North by jebba a traditional Yoruba state to the Northeast by Borgu a traditional Bariba state.

If we even talk about dressing, about half if not majority of Ilorin people dress like Northernerns than normal yoruba dressing.
Their mentality is more like middlebelt and core northern muslims.

Nowenuse:
All Ilorin people cannot be under yoruba culture, because yoruba identity and culture is largely defined by a traditional system of rulership where the people are purely ruled, guided, directed and united by a common traditional system. This is absent in Ilorin!
Most Ilorin indigenes see islam more as a uniting factor unlike what u may observe in other parts of yoruba land where culture is the factor of unity and religion plays a second role.
The average ilorin muslims for instance will most likely prefer a hausa, fulani or any other muslim to assume positions of leadership in their land than a fellow indigene Ilorin christian.

Culture is not just about language alone!

There is no Hausa or Fulani indigene of Ilorin. Just one Hausa compound and one Fulani compound by origin and not present identity. Both are Baloguns. Then you have Ajikobi and Alanamu who are the biggest Baloguns, then Baba Isale, Magaji Aare and etc who trace descent to Oyo, igbomina and etc. It was Ajikobi that signed the protection agreement with the British and he was the traditional ruler then. Alanamu and Ajikobi were exiled by the British. however Ilorin was ruled by Muslims in the past just like Iwo that adopted sharia. At best you say Ilorin was a Muslim state. A Yoruba Muslim state not a Fulani jihad state. A Yoruba Muslim state bounded to the North by jebba a traditional Yoruba state to the Northeast by Borgu a traditional Bariba state.

If we even talk about dressing, about half if not majority of Ilorin people dress like Northernerns than normal yoruba dressing.
Their mentality is more like middlebelt and core northern muslims.

Nowenuse:
Yes, northwest is still referred to as hausa land, but fulanis also have an equal stake in the region and can claim those places as part of fulani homeland.
Dont mind those fulanis from northeast, these are the same people who will claim that Buhari and Yar'adua are fulani men forgetting that these are northwestern hausanized fulanis and tomorrow they will say that all hausanized fulanis are hausas and that they are the real fulanis. Confusion.


See where u are making the mistake. As for the Nupes and the hausas, their whole lands are culturally incorporated into the Emirate/Sultanate system, hence this has become part of their culture and origin in entirety and they no longer have an origin independent of the emirates. This is very unlike the yorubas whom their majority populations have a traditional custom rulership as part of their culture, history, heritage and identity, so when u remove that in the case of only Ilorin, a big question mark appears as to where the identity of the people has to fall!

ghostofsparta:
More grease to your elbow for what you're doing, a whole lot of Yoruba youths don't realize the Ifa treasure in their land been the greatest legacy our ancestors can ever bequeath to us.

Do you think Ìfá and its odus can be computerized ? And by computerized I meant advanced in such a way that its becomes digitally interactive and responsive the same way it is read and deciphered in real life, I still have many more questions.

Nowenuse:
Ilorin city is not a yoruba city ethnically. U have yorubas, yorubanized hausas and yorubanuzed fulanis and pure fulanis and pure hausas who speak yoruba as a second language as co owners of the city.

Infact when u talk of Ilorin emirate which includes Moro and Asa LGAs, native nupe speakers are now included as part of Ilorin emirate. So Ilorin emirate which includes the 3 LGAs that make up Ilorin city + Moro & Asa LGAs is a multi ethnic kingdom.

Noneroone:
did alimi conquer ilorin with an army? Most of you yorubas maintain that he never waged a formal war which is which is why i used the word 'subdued'. Since that is the case why did they easily gain control over the town if indeed it was peopled by indigenous yorubas?

the statement in bold is your assumption. No group willingly fight their own established indigenous institution of authority in favour of a foreign one. The hausas despite having some muslims among them fought bloody wars with fulanis in resistance to the emirate system. Simply admit that fulanis succeded because ilorin has no natives with a king who resisted the overthrow their traditional kingship system.
the fulani waged a full blown war with a well mobilized army as part of the jihad that swept throughout sudan. It was a war, a bloody religious one at that. The outcome was a caliphate, whose authority is sustained by islamic principles, after much resistance from hausas(habbe and zazzau). This is different from the fact the afonja was killed by fulani and hausas. The supposed native maority people of ilorin didnt resist. And they established a rule and later recognised as an emirate, without a war. Let me ask you, could it have been possible for alimi to kill the alaafin and establish an emirate over oyo?

only language and name( not in all cases) is their only link with yoruba. Majority of them are not yoruba by blood, which is why the likes of sarakis maintain they are fulani. Does that happen in kano? Is kano not an emirate?

emmanuelbrown26:
mr lawani so wat are u implying