₦airaland Forum

osomegbe:
Quite unfortunate he knew so much about the bible but not the part that says a man is not supposed to divorce his wife or sleep with another man's wife when they are legally married which is all what he indulged in.
A blind man leading the blind and the blind will say go on leader.
I pity the other gullible following him.

Dome of our pastors have been caught defiling minors and sleeping with married church members. Some have also divorced their wife serially, yet they still claim they point the flock to heaven and still collect tithes. All of them blind join, no be so?

OBAGADAFFI:
Well we know what the like of Kumuyi, Adeboye has achieved for the faith.

What has freeze ever done for the faith.
That boy always seek popularity by attacking other.
Them way he attacked a comedian last year that almost cost him his job

Please address his position on tithing not the person. No body holy pass. Beware!

generaliy:
Freeze doesn't preach the Bible, he preaches a mutilated version, or rather, he mutilates the bible.

And you know why Freeze gains large followers? It's explained in the Bible...

"Having itching ears, they gather up teachers unto themselves"...

Brother, you might need to further enlighten your audience who have been caught up with FRZ's teaching by refuting his arguments using the scriptures like he did also. Because if you look very well, he appears to have upper hand in this discourse simply because no body has dared to enlighten him but rather they all bash and curse him thereby giving him more sympathy.

joshnes:
I admire your knowledge base, and I can see that your issue is not the jet but that the money should have been used for the needy. You seem to be a good researcher, have you researched on Pastor Chris & Christ Embassy's efforts to reach out to the needy? Let's leave that aside, you said the money should be used to meet the needy ones, let me ask you how many needy ones have you met their needs? With your little income, how many people's lives have you touched? How many people can point at you and say "this guy has been a blessing to my life" not because of the relationship that exists between you guys but because of your impact. It is easy to point fingers at people, but you, what have you done with the little you have? which needy have you helped? Your moaning reminds me of one of Jesus' disciple who was against a gift given to Jesus. His reason; the gift should have been sold and given to the poor. Sounds familiar? I earnestly desire that you do not end like he did.

Very poor comparison. Pastor Chris happens to be a custodian of peoples' charity givings and donations. Is the writer also receiving donations for charity?

Teeboi56:
Who told u there re Muslim
Don't say Wat u don't know

They are finally here. They are actually Ifa worshippers. They want to forcefully convert Egyptian Muslims.

derecho:
Malachi 3:10

Addressed to the Levite's. Are you a levite?

bezimo:
Tithing is biblical and commanded by God as shown by Gods servant Bishop Oyedepo..He was preaching at Dunamis not Winners..while encouraging the brethren to continue the kingdom principles of tithing..so you that have never tithed, what is your problem..Is God forcing you, is Bishop forcing you..Abeg make I hear word.

In his words he said "if you are not a tither you end your journey as a beggar"..I believe him as my prophet and father, moreso..i believe God who commanded it. So your anger and frustration for those who tithe wont make any difference..

For those pious and religious hypocritical christians, you are free to go to heaven like lazarus did after suffering poverty on earth, but I have chosen to enter heaven like Abraham after enjoying kingdom wealth on earth. Make your choice.

Still no single bible reference. Smh

leye4u:
you already have a mindset about tithing and Pastors..... If I prove from the Bible why one should pay tithe, that wouldnt change your perception ...No need wasting time trying to convince you. Less that 10percent of church attendees pay their tithe, as low as 5percent in some congregation, so none of the ministries doing well across the world rely on tithes in the first place.

So what do thosr ministry depend on if not tithing ?

salvation101:
lol. The emotional one here is you. If u don't av the book of matt23:23 in ur Bible or malachi 3 den i can't help u.... Wen d bible says will a 'Man' rob God? U r quick to say its only talking to d Israelite. The first incomplete version of the new testament scripture we know today existed 170AD nd the complete one wot 27books started to exit after 300AD (u can verify online) .. Now tell me the scriptures the early church specifically d berean Christians were reading if not dis same old testament

Please the book of Malachi was addressed to the Levites. Start reading from chapter one. Are you from the tribe of Levi? Mth 23:23 substantially weakens your position. Read it again without mindset. Finally, search for Freeze's interview that sparked off this wild debate about tithing. You obviously need to increase in knowledge.

salvation101:
so cos arch bishop pf Canterbury clamin his pro gay stance is biblical means it is? why don't you set up an interview with him and i will oblige or is it between u nd i? U can check my profile nd see my thread on tithing.

Madam, Archbishop of Canterbury is not the bible. The bible is clear on homosexualism. Just publish the scriptures, that Freeze might not have considered, that makes tithing very mandatory and shame him. Until then, stop playing up emotions. Bible is not emotional .

donb06:
u ve to come to redemption camp and see the bags of rice and food stuff dangote provides every covention to RCCG. and as for south korea they have the biggest and most recognized church in the world that holds up to 9 services every sunday. have u heard of pastor david yonggi cho before? he is the pastor thanks.

Why is Nigeria still cursed inspite of all the "promised blessings" that tithing is supposed to provoke?

deebrain:
And you guys that seem so knowledgeable than us here, are even pondering how to establish laws backing homosexuals-rather than denouncing it as a sickness. If not its against culture of blacks, even you will stand for it in your knowledge revolution.

Enjoy your 800k.

Off point. Btw, there are millions of homosexuals at your backyard. The west is just being sincere rather than hypocritical like your ilks.

salvation101:
He is a coward.. He dares not speak against politicians and military rulers who av held d nation hostage for years.. He dares not speak against a violent religion. He dares not speak against traditional ritualists those who can stap him tru a mirror or make him mad.. He can only channel all his frustration on soft targets. Only ppl wont fight back are d targets of his popularity campaign

Freeze claims to draw his doctrine from the bible. So his position, until it is successfully challenged, stays. Your own position is mere sentimental blackmail. Why not challenge his position scripturally and shame him forever.

Blue3k:
Man this is disgusting. I'll never support involving children.

Children should never be caught in the crossfire of hatred between their differing adult parents. This is babaric and beastly.

Adesina is a serious olodo. The person who stood to gain if igbos voted APC was Ngige not Igbos. If not, please list out what Kwara people have gained by having their own elected Senate President.
He is subtly cajoling igbos to vote APC next election. But that will NEVER happen.

Ebisco012:
The Chief of Army Staff, Lt.-Gen. Tukur Buratai, on Thursday, asked the Federal High Court in Abuja to trash a suit seeking to compel him to produce the ‘missing’ leader of the proscribed Indigenous People of Biafra, IPOB, Mr. Nnamdi Kanu.

A team of lawyers representing the embattled pro-Biafra agitator had in the suit, prayed the court to order Buratai to produce their client either dead or alive.

The lawyers who were led by Mr Ifeanyi Ejiofor, told the court that they had not seen or heard from their client since September 14 when the Nigerian Army invaded his house “on a murderous raid, where life and mortar bullets were fired on unarmed and defenceless populace, leaving 28 persons dead and abducting many”.

Pursuant to section 40 of the Federal High Court Act, F12, LFN 2005 and section 6(6) (1) (4) of the 1999 constitution, as amended, Kanu’s lawyers applied for “an order of Habeas Corpus ad subjiciendum, commanding the Respondent (Buratai), to produce the Applicant in Court”.

However, in a counter-affidavit he filed in opposition to the suit, Buratai told the court that Kanu was never in custody of the Nigeria Army.

He maintained that contrary to claims in the suit, soldiers who were deployed to the South-East for ‘Operation Python Dance II, did not have any contact whatsoever with Kanu on September 12 or 14, or anytime thereafter as alleged.

The counter-affidavit read in part, “That the applicant (Kanu) is not and has never been in his custody or in the custody of any person, officer or institution receiving instruction directly or indirectly from him.

“That the applicant was not at any time whatsoever arrested, taken into custody or detained by the Officers and men of the Nigerian Army.

“That the officers and men of the Nigerian Army did not have any contact whatsoever or confrontation or any operational engagement with the applicant on September 12 or 14, 20l7 or any other date thereafter, contrary to the allegations in the affidavit in support of the application.

“That the allegation of invasion of the South-Eastern part of Nigeria by officers and men of the Nigerian Army, especially the applicant’s home and or residence is totally false.”

He told the court that during “a peaceful movement” that formed part of Operation Python Dance II, soldiers, on September 14, pursued a truck loaded with arms and ammunition into a compound which was identified in the suit as jointly owned by Kanu and his father.

He alleged that the fleeing truck and its occupants ran over Army barricade and defied soldiers’ order stopping them to be searched.

“That while on a peaceful movement on the said September 14, 2017, the soldiers randomly conducted stop-and-search operations as are necessary and it was during one of such exercises in Umuahia, Abia State, that it flagged down a truck, which as it turned out later, was loaded with arms and ammunitions of varying degrees and descriptions.

“Rather than comply with the stop order, the driver and other occupants of the truck recklessly ran over the barricade mounted on the road by the soldiers and sped off, whereupon the soldiers at the point gave a hot chase and called for reinforcement to enable them pursue and arrest the fleeing vehicle. The soldiers did not fire any shot at the fleeing truck in order to prevent the loss of lives.

“That the truck loaded with the arms and ammunition was pursued into a compound which has now been described in this application as belonging to and under the control of the applicant (Kanu) and his father.

“That it was the legitimate attempt by the officers and men of the Nigerian Army to arrest the fleeing occupants of the truck and impound the truck that precipitated the deliberate igniting of the ammunition in the truck by persons now believed to be IPOB members.

“That the act of the IPOB members resulted in sporadic explosions within the said applicant’s compound”, the affidavit further stated.

“Throughout the duration of the Operation Python Dance II, officers and men of the Nigerian Army obeyed the Rules of Engagement and Code of Conduct to the letter as there was no reported case of indiscriminate shooting, unlawful arrest, detention or torture, contrary to the wild, bland, untrue, incorrect, bogus and insipid allegations contained in or oozed out in the affidavit of Prince Mandela Umegborogu Esq.

“The allegations of firing of live bullets on the applicant’s relatives, killing of scores of persons, wounding and arrest of many, attack and invasion of applicant’s home, barricade at Isialangwa, arrest and torture of civilians by officers and me of the Nigerian Army, as stated by the deponent, are a figment of his imagination as same are not true.”


http://www.mcebisco.com.ng/2017/11/biafra-why-i-cannot-produce-kanu.html

Even Satan himself, the father if lies, will be shocked by this dimension of lies by NA.

scribble:
The Vatican is worth like $100 billion

Catholic church is founded on a system of collecting money for prayer, redemption of souls, offering, forgiveness of sins etc from catholic faithful

Then merchandising. The sale of rosaries, candles, idols etc

All oyedepo dey sell na book, and white handkerchief

Why do u have a problem with a black system of wealth generation

My brother, you are terminally sick for spewing this rubbish. What happens to the endless offerings collected by pentecostal churches? They are all sent to heaven leaving the church shareholders to live off sales books and handkerchiefs. How many ship loads of that will he sell to be able to afford the scandalous luxuries they flaunt ?

Nedfed:
My elder brother happen to be a Managing direction of a private Organisation. The Organisation conducted aptitude test and interview for the qualified applicants on Monday, but only 6 out of 25 applicants were picked (4 mens and 2 ladies). This afternoon while I was in his office, he showed me the names and the Cv of those people.
But to my greatest surprise my Ex who break my heart back then at the Polytechnics happen to be among. This lady drop me purposely because am from a poor home and follow another guy despite all the love and cares I show her.
I think this is the pay back time, Should I block her way? Cause what she did then is still fresh in my heart.

Just cut her a slack. Your poor English might have contributed to her dumping you more than your poor background. If na u, nko?

chriskosherbal:
Well I really don't know what to say ..but sacking that number of employed individuals throwing them back onto the Labour market will definitely not meanwell for the Economy.

While that huge number is thrown back into the labour market, same number if competent personnel are pulled out of the labour market and employed. So the net effect on the economy ( according to you) will be zero, while the benefit on quality of teaching astronomical.

BlowBack:
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So Govt will buy tea and eggs for one lazy Malham to start business and you don't see anything wrong with that?

Those mallams all gave at least four wives each, yet need empowerment of crate of eggs and Milo. Haba!

Cooly100:
After the infamous Python Dance lI, you may be thinking that president Muhamadu Buhari would leave the lgbos in the cold, right? Well, you may be wrong because president Buhari plans to compensate war victims to the tune of of 50 billion Naira.

This happening years after the civil war that lasted for 30 months and killed estimated 2 million people, (mostly the lgbos) is quite remarkable and therefore raising eyebrows. Buhari But government watchers were curious only to the extent that a retired army officer, Bala Yakubu, whose firm, Deminers Concept Nig Ltd , sued the federal government to the ECOWAS court on behalf of victims of the war, and will be benefiting from the largesse through the award of N38b worth of contract to clear the war zone of unexploded ordinances. But what might have escaped the radar of politicians and Nigerians in general, is that government might have seized the opportunity created by the case in ECOWAS court to embark on peace building with the easterners who have been dancing to the drum beat of secession.

Perhaps the current unusual magnanimity towards the lgbos who have been crying out loudly about marginalization since the end of the civil war 47 years ago, is part of the strategy of defrosting the icy relationship between president Buhari and easterners who gave him only 5 (or is it 3%) votes in 2015 presidential election and are assumed to be bearing the brunt of casting most of their votes for the candidate that lost the election. Whatever the case may be, it is safe to conclude that with election 2019 in the horizon, CHANGE is beginning to take hold in terms of politics of inclusiveness as opposed to exclusiveness which was fuelling secessionist tendencies. APC party chairman, David Oyegun had put it crudely when a couple of months ago, he reportedly advised lgbo people to join the APC if they wanted to enjoy government patronage that would translate into prosperity. But President Buhari appears to be wooing the lgbos (After Arewa youths served them quit notice) by turning on his charm in a bid to convert them into his burgeoning political family via good deeds.

The different approaches or strategies adopted in trying to get the lgbos to say YES to APC by the chairman of the ruling party and Mr President suggest a sort of bad cop, good cop scenario playing out. Whatever the case may be, it is worth recalling that it was Rochas Okorocha’s lmo state where governorship election was inconclusive in 2015, so a re-run was called and APC literarily pulled the rabbit out of the hat to give then presidential candidate Buhari the infamous ‘5%’ votes of the lgbos, which helped him clinch the presidency. South East Leaders led by the Deputy Senate President, Senator Ike Ekweremadu ((r) during a meeting with President Muhammadu Buhari at the State House, Abuja. Photo by Abayomi Adeshida 13/10/2017 Going by Nigeria’s 1999 constitution, without the lgbo’s ‘ 5%’ votes , which enabled then candidate Buhari to fulfil the requirement that compels a presidential candidate to secure 2/3rd majority of votes of all Nigerians across the national spectrum before being declared the winner of a presidential contest , candidate Buhari could have remained unelected as he had been even after winning estimated 12 million votes mainly from the core north in three previous elections. By and large, the critical contribution that the paltry lgbo votes made to candidate Buhari’s electoral fortune, compared to the estimated 24% that Kano voters brought to the table, is a typical case of when the less becomes the more.

But as it would appear, president Buhari might have considered only the face value of the 5% votes, hence he reportedly felt not indebted to the lgbos but only beholden to the northern and to some extent the south west voters who cast the majority of votes for him. That mindset probably informed the vile comment credited to president Buhari with respect to his plan to give unto the Igbos little government patronage that is proportional to the votes that he garnered from their zone. Sadly, that’s a narrative that has been giving fillip to the notion that the lgbos are being deliberately excluded from government . . It boggles the mind that in a society where perception can easily become reality, two and half years after the faux pax or Freudian slip by Mr president in far away USA found its way into public lexicon and discourse, nothing seem to have been done to debunk or confirm the gaffe until a couple of days ago. As a result, the whispers in the dark advanced from being mere conspiracy theory spurn by president Buhari’s competitors, to something like a statement of fact, which has been hanging over Aso Rock villa and APC like an albatross. So now that president Buhari is dangling the carrot ostensibly to harness or harvest the votes from the east to facilitate a win again for him or the party in 2019: would lgbos take the bait?

It may be too early to tell, but suffice it to say that in a country where ‘stomach infrastructure’ occupies prominent position in the electioneering process, anything can happen. Already, president Buhari’s cabinet ministers from the east such as Chris Ngige, in charge of Labour and productivity, Ogbonanya Onu responsible for Science and Technology, who were Governors and as such had grass root following are getting their campaign machines into overdrive in their bid to convince their people that the grass is greener on the APC side. Similarly,Rochas Okorocha of lmo state which is the only lgbo state controlled by APC in the east and Orji Uzor Kalu, former Abia state governor who is a latter day APC convert and Buhari devotee, are also strutting the vast land of the lgbos stirring up positive emotions in the desperate bid to court ndi lgbo for president Buhari assuming he decides to seek re-election or for the APC candidate as the case may be. None typical politicians like Foreign affairs minister, Geofrey Onyeama and trade, commerce and industries minister Okechukwu Enelemah, who are originally from the private sector are also expected to weigh in with any clouts that they can muster to get their boss or party re-elected as the ruling party.

Unfortunately, there are no lgbos heading influential or cash cow parastatals or agencies like NNPC, NPA, NCC,NCAA,NLNG, NIMASA,NDDC, amongst many other geese that lay the golden eggs to lend helping hands to the cabinet members from the east in the mission to capture the eastern votes. But if president Buhari in pursuit of his proposed expansion of federal cabinet and appointments into vacant board positions offers lucrative political appointments to more sons and daughters of lgbo, and promise to construct the second Niger bridge, and rehabilitate the badly dilapidated roads in the east, APC and president Buhari may make more inroads into the east.. Such is the power of give and take which is referred to in politics as horse trading.

The Anambra state gubernatorial election is a referendum of sorts because on that occasion the lgbos would be taking steps towards choosing whether to remain outsiders which they seem to be now with the hope that one day a knight in shining armour would rescue and take them to another island where they will presumably be free or allow themselves to be properly wooed like a bride and get integrated into the scheme of governance in Nigeria. Trust me, what happens in Anambra on November 18, 2017 may be a window into the pattern of the general election in 2019.. The outcome of the recent local government election in Anambra state should be a pointer to the way the pendulum may swing in 2019 and therefore a wake up call. A similar situation is evolving in the USA where the democrats are crushing Republican Party candidates in the mid term election one year after the ascendancy of Donald Trump as the most controversial and polarizing president America has ever had. As a franchise holder of American presidential system of governance, would a similar scenario play out in Nigeria?

Time will tell. Magnus Onyibe, a development strategist, alumnus of Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, Tufts university, Massachusetts, USA and a former commissioner in delta state govt, sent this piece from lagos .

Read more at: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/11/president-buhari-trys-woo-igbos/

He only obeyed a court order. Nothing special pls

Konami94:
Very unnecessary comment. Particularly coming from someone who claims to be Christlike

My brother, it is still the same old strategy. Using threat of untimely death, devourers and hell fire to perpertuate monumental fraud on their flock. The guy might be a pastor whose livelihood is threatened by Freeze's revelation. Other pastors are beginning to line up. Listen to Pastor Abel Damina on his Facebook wall.

goodnews777:
Your ignorance of scriptures is obvious . It's like Abraham refusing to move when God asked him to. He could have easily said God bless me here. The bible says give and it shall be given to you. God gave his son for our salvation and our example . The disciples in acts of the apostle sold everything they had and brought it to the apostles feet.This debate about tithing is foolish because tithe is not enough. Those who give and continue to give know the benefits. If you don't know why, it's because you don't have the Holy Spirit .Carnal unregerated sinners should not discuss what goes on in the household of God. The bible clearly says its foolishness to them. We give more than tithe and remain happier and more blessed than your poor selves. By the way, some MUSLIMS gave singlehandly built mosques and they don't make any noise about it. So many imams go to Mecca every week, no noise. No complaints. Yet ,liberal CHRISTIANITY now means every slowpoke challenges christian leaders. I see God making them dumb very soon.

Using the same instrument of fear to perpetuate exploitation. Peoples eyes are wide open now. Please quote the scripture to contradict the earlier position canvassed against tithing on this thread and establish the inviolability of tithing or just shut up.

ImaIma1:
Tithing is not something Christians should debate over. It is a personal agreement with you and God. Give your tithe if you will and forget what anyone says or thinks. If you are not going to pay, stop trying to justify it and trying to get support for your decision. Just quietly don't give.

I disagree with you. People need to be enlightened since our pastors choose to hide the truth to enable them continue with the fleecing of their flock. Most people paying their tithe today do so out of fear.

Exempted:
Jesus prayed for the sick, healed the blind, lame, deaf/dumb, prayed and casted out demons, etc. He prayed for everyone that had challenges EXCEPT a particular man.

Can you tell us who that man was? A poor 'beggar'. What did Jesus tell that begger if i may ask?

Why didnt Jesus pray for him to have money or u think Jesus didnt have the power/authority 2do that

You guys keep twisting bible to suit your lifestyle.....

The fact that u do not tithe due 2ur belief doesn't mean tithing is wrong....

Take ur sunday school study serios bro....

He did not pray for the poor man because prayer does not cure poverty; work does.

Omooba77:
Please ignore the half truth ma....People are just looking for ways to discredit Pastors....May God forgive them.

Why are u so pained? Liberation has finally come to the sheeple. Thanks to Daddy Frz.

Koolcat01:
Most of d christian youth dnt Av manners, I dnt know if ur pastors teach u guys manners, teach u to respect other people religion. Pls respective bro and sis in Islam lets not reply any insult with insult ,dis people are lost in ignorance ... May Allah grant us d ability to tolerate dis manner less christians... We bliv dir are good xtians out dir

You preach tolerance? What a bigoted hypocrite! Go to your mosques and preach it there; perhaps those planning suicide bombing this weekend might change their minds.

deji17:
It is either the HOS woman is incompetent, part of the scheme or she is into eye service.
1. She informed the President VERBALLY? in a crowded and rowdy space after the FEC meeting?
2 Throughout the memo, there was no place where the woman issued an official memo indicating her objection to the reinstatement of Maina. Obviously, she is culpable in this matter
3. As a senior civil servant, the woman is unaware of organisation best practice and official means of communication? There was no paper trail showing her displeasure.
4. In the Memo, that was passed through her office, she did not indicate her objection to Maina reinstatement, she simply passed the buck to another department.
5. The woman failed to provide @MBuhari's response to her on the issue.

She is still not honest on the matter. From claiming she has no knowledge of the reinstatement, to now saying she warned the C in C about it shows that she is just pussy footing about and in some cases telling outright lies.

Just like tipping the DPO off about a certain wanted notorious criminal that just strayed back to his division and the best he could do was to take no action because it was a verbal tip off. Nigerians really deverve their leaders.

Doyin2:
Another dunce statement.

Read the letter carefully!

She expressed worries on October 11 and was informesd of maina's reinstatement ,5 days after,october16,2017..

Which means as at the time of the verbal expression of worries,neither PMB nor The head of service were aware that Maina had resumed!


By the way can dunces like you appreciate the legal intricasies and documentation involved in this case?

You are just running from pillar to post and back to pillar. A real anti-corruption czar on hearing the impending reinstatement of Maina would have immediately alerted the EFCC, on whose wanted list he has been for 4 years, to effect his arrest and thereafter decisively deal with the cabal that initiated that move. He did no such and he was reinstated.
But Immediately the scandal leaked, he was quick to sack Maina and issued a phantom query to the HOSF requesting her to repeat a story she had told him informally just to save his face. Buhari is increasingly becoming shameless and your ilk much more.

Doyin2:
And only fools like you and those that liked your comments ,do not know that this so called leaked memo was a response to PMB's query,concerning the circumstances leading to Maina's recall.

Only fools don't know that the PMB's query was only a facesaver. Even bigger fools would not understand that PMB knew of plans to reinstate Maina and gave a tacit support inspite of the HOSF wise counsel.

zan1999:
Before you start to masturbate on the thread, check the date of the memo. That is the same day PMB fired Maina...

Are you brain dead ? The memo did not say anything Buhari does not know.

engineerboat:
PRESIDENT BUHARI has ordered the immediate disengagement from
service of Mr Abdullahi Abdulrasheed Maina, former chairman of the
Presidential Task Force on Pension Reforms.
In a memo to the Head of the Civil Service of the Federation, the President
equally demanded a full report of the circumstances of Maina's recall and
posting to the Ministry of Interior.
The report is to be submitted to the office of the Chief of Staff to the
President, Mallam Abba Kyari, before the end of work today, Monday, October
23, 2017.


FEMI ADESINA
Special Adviser to the President,

You can guess what will happen to the report if it gets to the office of the Chief of Staff to the president who must have sanctioned that appointment abinitio by virtue if his position.