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It's not only gold, Uranium, oil, gas, lithium, coltan and so on that the West, East etc want cheaply or for free but also your soil. I read somewhere that soil in the West is exhausted and is only viable for approximately 10 more cycles whatever that means.

So if or when them start wage proxy war in Africa, thire side hussle will be to finish as many of you as possible for the land. I guess wuna carcases go help enrich the soil

I don't care about West Africa I'm only concerned about Nigeria. It's this sort of things that used to make me say Africa means Nigeria no good. West Africa is full of crap and Nigeria is going to be dragged into it. Incidentally, were all the soldiers from Mali to Niger not trained by America. Soldiers trained by US always conduct coups in Africa. So this is yet another angle to the monumental mess we're being dragged into by leadership. The other ECOWAS leaders are not opposing Tinubu who is doing Mister Africa, mister Africa. Nigerians are always putting other Africa interest ahead of that of Nigeria. Many of you on Niaraland are no different to Tinubu, you're always elevating other African nations above Nigeria. Or abusing Nigeria and Japparing left, right and centre. Why can't Nigerians put Nigeria first?

Africa happed to Nigeria!

Ok rant over.

Nigerians always need to keep minds open and trust nothing without evidence. Niger says, France says, Nigeria says, European Union says...what if it's Niger that released bokoharm terrorist?

NIGER REPUBLIC: A WORD OF CAUTION TO THE DOGS OF WAR!

I am on record as saying that if Niger, Burkina Faso, Mali or ANY OTHER country, attacks Nigeria, violates our territorial integrity or attempts to take one inch of our nation we must and will fight them to the last man.

I have also said that Nigeria's defence budget is FAR higher than all the other 14 countries in West Africa PUT TOGETHER and that there is no nation in our sub-region that can defeat us in a military conflict despite our many challenges.

I stand by these words.

I am however constrained to add the following as a word of caution to those who seek to "cry havoc and unleash the dogs of war" and as a piece of unsolicited advice to the advocates of military invasion.

It would be imprudent and unwise for Nigeria to attempt to clean up France's mess in Niger Republic.

The French are the most rappacious, greedy, vicious, pervasive, destructive and unrelenting neo-colonial foreign power on the African continent.

They have done nothing for Africa other than pillage, rape, undermine, plunder and take advantage of her.

To deploy our military, go to war and allow Nigerian blood to be spilled just to help her to continue to gang rape the Nigeriens and subject them to slavery would be unjust, wicked, short-sighted, stupid and counter-productive.

Worse still it would have implications for the stability of our nation, our entire sub-region and our increasingly fruitful relationship with President Putin and the Russian Federation who are slowly emerging as Africa's best friend and, together with the Chinese, appear to be the only foreign power that truly seeks to assist and support the growth and development of African countries.

To those who believe that Nigeria ought to continue to be the poodle, local enforcer and hatchet man of the French, the Europeans, the British and the Americans in our sub-region, I ask the following: who do they think is behind Boko Haram and ISWAP and why did these so-called Western allies refuse to sell us arms to fight those two terrorist organisations until Trump came along? And of course since Trump left we have been given nothing.

Not one of them truly cares for Nigeria in the way the Chinese or Russians do and to them we are nothing but a source of mineral resources and a local sheriff.

They want us to go and fight a war against our African brothers just to further and protect their own economic and regional interests and they want us to throw the West African sub region into a theater for a horrific, brutal and never-ending proxy war between them and Russia which would result in turning the whole of the West and North African sub region into a cauldron of fire.

Worst still they want Northern Nigeria particularly and the entire African Sahel region and all the countries in it to be burnt to ashes and go the way of Ukraine, Iraq, Syria, Libya and Afghanistan whilst they sell their arms, test their weapons, pillage our resources, turn our people into homeless destitutes and penniless refugees, destroy our collective future and serve our flesh and blood, on a dark satanic alter to the sinister forces and the blood-lustng vultures and demons that they work for and serve.

We must never allow this to happen and if the truth be told the biggest mistake that ECOWAS made in the first place was to threaten Niger with military action if the coupists refused to step down and restore President Bazoum to power.

I say this because once a threat is issued and it is not followed up with action you look weak, ineffectual and pathetic.

That is the quandry we are now in and the wisest thing to do at this point is to step back from the brink and rhetoric of war and engage in diplomacy.

Deploying our troops into our neigbours country in an attempt to effect regime-change on behalf of a bunch of butt-f*cking, c*nt-struck, power-obsessed feral psychopaths like the French whose primary dream and fantasy has always been the dismemberment, destabilisation and destruction of Nigeria is asinine and unacceptable.

To do the dirty work for a nation that stood on the wrong side during our civil war and that almost pushed us into a war with the Cameroons over the Bakassi Peninsular is deeply insultng to our sensibilities.

I do not support military Governments and I cannot abide or stomach the way in which Niger, Mali and Burkina Faso have threatened, insulted and made mockery of our nation and people over the last few days but one thing is clear: the military regimes in all of those three countries are wildly popular and the hatred for France in each of them is palpable and irreversible.

Why should we get involved in all this? This is not our fight and if we choose to stand on the side of the French imperialists, neo-colonialists and oppressors against the will of the people of these three sovereign nations it may well result in chaos, mutiny, rebellion and a revolution in our own country. This must be avoided at all costs.

It is time to get sense and sheath our swords. This whole thing is obviously a western conspiracy and trap and we must ensure that our newly-elected President does not fall into it.

This is the time for restraint and wise counsel to prevail. This is the time for us to put our national interest before that of any other.

This is the time for us to indulge in some sober reflection and reject any gung-ho and bellicose action that would ultimately result in a reversal of the great strides that we have made as a nation over the last 24 years and the destruction of our great country.

A word is enough for the wise.

(FFK)

So good I thought I'd repost. He nearly said it all.

Even if Tinubu were to make a U-turn on his decision, the involvement of the Wagner Group adds a layer of complexity that makes a peaceful resolution appear nearly miraculous.

Quote smacks of wanting a full cake on the table after scuffing half of it. In effect Niger bares no responsibility, whatever happens to them now and in future due to thire banana republic coup d'etat will be Tinabue/Nigeria's fault. The more you look at this the more like an entrapment for pro China Nigeria it seems. It is as if Niger, France and US were in cahoots all along (even Wagner including )however to the contrary this may appear in public and international communities eyes. Perhaps accounts for why, although France and US are heavily present in Niger (with all thire surveillance and intelligence capabilities) the coupe occurred.

Ikaeniyan0:
In the 60's and early 70's, Nigeria also lead but was overtaken by another country. Ivory coast can be overtaken

Number 1 producers in the world, Nigeria was. I read Nigeria actually deliberately cut back cocoa production on discovery of oily so that Ghana and Cote D'ivoirein could have a larger share of the market. Through selective buying and advising of third world nations on what cash crops to grow, the West engineered a situation that resulted in a glut of cocoa on spot market negatively impacting price.

Nigeria is a great Nation grossly underappreciated by Africa nations it has helped as well as by her citizens.

Unrelated but related: this is about us Nigerians and electricity fixation . For years upon years, those abroad that claim they are Nigerians slaughtered Nigeria on social media, called the country and her people every unspeakable and unprintable name imaginable , all premised on Nigeria's temperamental electricity situations. Those of us that challenged thire overwrought bile against Nigeria only received more abuse. These people threatened secession, praised the slaughter of Nigeria men, woman and children by terrorist all because of our difficulty generating 24/7 electricity. They abused Nigeria night and day, elevated every country on earth above Nigeria, encouraged the abuses meted to Nigeria from Bombay to Timbuktu all because of electricity. Therefore it is little wonder that even Tinebu was brainwashed by the efficacy of Electricity and could be forgiven for quickly resorting to severing electricity to Niger Republic. It must come as a sobering shock to him ( pun intended ) that the Niger people are surviving quite alright without electricity thank you very much. something Nigerians cant do without apparently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNBhir--gKQ

BBC says, "Central African Republic President Touadéra wins referendum with Wagner help".
Ref: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-66428935

And all over social media, reflecting the voices of so called people along the width and breadth of francophone Africa, are cheering for Wagner, echoing revolution and the form it will take. Therefore, in thire minds, Wagner leading the rabbles from one nation to another , toppling regimes in whatsoever shape that regime takes. Now, the question: how is Wagner any different from "revolutionaries" CIA used to create that toppled regimes in Africa historically ? Why is WAGNA not same as mercenaries that plagued Africa in the past, earning the West its terrible reputation as destabilisers of Africa, initiators of famine, conflict for resource exploitation and dictators ?

So, after decades of self determination experiences gained, all that Francophone Africa has learned is, " let's try Russian backed meddling because, what , American backed meddling is imperialism while Russian backed ones are not ?

bigiyaro:
Bros dey try travel small, if to say you dey travel, you for know say, northerners are more loyal to tribe and religion than a fake country formed by some thieving white men from another continent

I'll take your rejection of white people created Nigeria more seriously if you can communicate your rejection to me in talking drums , smoke, spirits or whatever form of messaging your indigenous group created .

Another thing, some Northern governors need to take a stand on whether they are Nigeriains or Nigerians, they cannot be both. Majority of the world's Nations are an amalgamation of peoples regardless of how the polity arose. For us here, wheather you belong to one of the major ethnic groups or the smallest, we have evolved to commit to one Nation, called Nigeria. We are all capable of forming our own ethnic nation. Besides there are generations now born in the geographic boundary called Nigeria, approximately 200 million of us. These young people are Nigerians regardless of if thire forefathers originated in Sudan or Egypt. Elders should not be arrogantly proclaiming loyalty to Sudan, Niger, Egypt or Biafra on thire behalf. Approximately six generation has arisen in Nigeria since 1970. I chose 1970 because the civil war ended thereabouts...

Thank you.

Thing, is, forgetting the geo and realpolitik stuff, at an earthy, down on the ground level, all the gra-gra and sanctimonious posturing of Niger, Mali, Buckina and so on is because Nigeria will be the nation that ultimately suffer the consequences of thire failure. If Niger is left to the Junta and sanctions imposed by the West leads to starvation or and widespread anarchy, Nigeria will ultimately suffer the consequences in the form of terrorism, refuge influx, beggars and the thieves that hide among them. No matter how negatively the Troll Houses paint Nigeria from abroad, the peoples' of Mali, Burkina and Niger are in far worst place. They are in dire straits. Actually , their majority poor are so piss-poor, they have nothing to loose.


Africa happed to Nigeria!

Some will soon cry, 'leeeeet the poooor breeeeeath!!!!!'

Lawlessness excused on the bum of the poooor.

All states need to begin grappling with city landscape, it's about time. Clear road side shaks as is being done by Gov Soludo in Anambra. Enforce planing limits like is being done now in Lagos, cleanliness led by Akwa-ibom. This is good for all Nigerians, longterm; although they will be unhappy short-term and the selfish politics type will exploit the situation, crying, let the poooor bweeed!

Internet + mobile phone + primitive people = disaster

It's like handing loaded machine guns to children.

Exceed15:
So tell me . What has democracy offered us? One person steals billions and nothing happens. They keep giving their children jobs and tells you to do something for yourself after graduation. To hell with democratic dispensation. No wonder Niger people rejoiced when military took over.

Where's your evidence? There seem to be evidence that an ex Nigeria military ruler rifled away perhaps a billion but no evidence for a democratically elected Nigerian leader. However, I'm always willing to learn. Outline your argument with at least refrenceable materials, thanks. Who is the individual that stole a billion?

Morocco and Jamaica stand good chances of proceeding to the next round. The French women team is not as difficult an opposition as the English to beat. This Jamaica team should match Colombia's at the very least.

MrsTwrite:
Who are these Nigerians residing in niger?

Nigeriens most likely but all can be Nigerians or whatever because few to none have identity documentation. You're essentially the nationality you orally claim.

This is why I continually preach that Nigeria needs to get to grips with issues of nationality and identity. It is stupid, lazy and an excuse for us to keep fooling ourselves that we are Africans so that we don't have to take nationality and nation building seriously.

GreyLaw:
Sit down and use your brain for a minute. Just a minute. How is Nigeria actually going to fight a coalition of Niger, Burkina Faso and Mali? Please tell me. Chad alone has a faru superior air power than Nigeria. The facts are there. Of they support their Nigerien brother how exactly do you intend to do it?

If Nigeria goes to war, which they'd certainly lose, who stays back home to fight Boko haram, Herdsmen, kidnappers, and even the IPOB Nigeria likes to kill?

The combined forces of the nations you mentioned cannot defeat Nigeria in war. The danger for Nigeria is in the aftermath of the war. An example of my meaning is the aftermath of the war between US and Iraq. America defeated the Iraqs in open warfare easily but in the aftermath came ISIS and the terrorism the world contends with till today.

Nigeria would quickly flatten their military bases and may attack strategic parts of thire cities in short order. They won't be able to fight Nigeria in open warfare and would be quickly degraded to the state of guerilla warfare where they will become more effective. And, no, I don't think the West will help Nigeria, they will play at double- agents with all sides. The very France Nigeria is rushing to help will assist those that are allied against Nigeria. And they will help Cameroon attack us from the back, leading to the empowering of secessionists forces in both Nigeria and Cameroon muddying the conflict even more until war finally stretches from Mali to Congo as I've always predicted France wants.

Loyalties of our soldiers especially the northern soldiers, most of them have relatives and historical relationships with Niger, the likelihood of sabotage is going to be high.

I need help understanding the quoted above.

So, if Northern soldiers have ties with Niger, they will not fight Niger soldiers? What will they do,then, will they stand by the side line while Niger soldiers attack none Northern Nigerian soldiers?Will they take sides with Niger soldiers against Nigeria ? If so does this mean thire loyalties lie more with Niger than Nigeria? If so are they actually Nigeriens not Nigerians? If so, why are they in the Nigerian army?

Does the quoted imply Northern Nigerian soldiers are more loyal to Niger than Nigeria, if at a snap they pose more danger to Nigeria than Niger ? Don't these Nigerian soldiers have families in Nigeria? What will they do when fired upon by Niger soldiers? If Niger people have relations in Nigeria as Northern Nigerians have relatives in Niger, why are Niger soldiers keener to fight Nigeriains than supposedly Nigerian soldiers with ties to Niger are to fight Niger according to the theory hypotheses of loyalties ?

Osariemen12:
I know a leader when I see one.

But that Judith Beres is a MILF .

That one wey be like barrell ? I was going to say, she resemble mother i'd like to flog rather than mother i'd like to.... but then I realised that is the same thing to some.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEskHtJm1E8

Favorisieren:
Do not insult me. Disagree with me ad debate this issue...but do not insult me. I will not insult you. I did not want to post on NL again, but I can't let this topic slide cos of the misinformation you guys are pushing out.


You do not know anything about military tactics and strategy. Only one statement is what I will push here that will turn over all the assumptions you have written above. Here is it: We move to Niger and Chad and go after the source. Simple.

Listen, you don't win a war on the battleground...you win it outside. We cannot involve ourselves in the affairs of Chad and Niger as of now, but we can if we use this war as an excuse. What is our goal...to stop where weapons are dropped. Niger and Chad are where Boko Haram Haram members get their weapons. We move in and interfere and stop it permanently.

All your talk about their army chasing some bla bla bla is "trash". Niger has 10,000 army capacity...what can such do to Boko Haram? Maybe cos of one incidence, you dey talk. Do you know the number of weapons entering Nigeria via Niger? What can 10,000 soldiers do in a nation bigger than Nigeria? Yes, Niger is bigger than Nigeria.

We can't win Boko Haram fighting them cos so many hideouts and routes to Nigeria. This is the opportunity to move into Niger and Chad and destroy the Boko Haram network there. The Wagner group will have no base again. That it.

As soon as we crush these, the rest are child's play. We crush them all.

And if it turns to Russia Vs Ukraine...so be it. It is far better than to allow these people to enter. Believe me...if we don't act now, Boko Haram will spread. We are fighting the real Boko Haram people by going to this war... and this is what you guys don't understand. It is a good opportunity for us.

If we slack...forget it. Nigeria is gone. The extreme Islamists will take over. Go check out...most of these military coup plotters are extremists. The same will happen here...and they will Islamatize Nigeria. This is what you guys are not seeing.

Bola Tinubu is not a Christian so, it is good for us. I think this is a perfect plan and the hand of God. Let a Muslim move this forward...if it was Peter Obi, he wouldn't go cos he would be careful because he is a Christian. And believe me...if Naija doesn't make a move now, we are dead in the hands of the Muslim extremists.

Your theory that Boko Haram will flourish because Niger will back off is false. Why? They aren't even checking 0.0000001% of the activities of terrorists. Why? Their army capacity is extremely low. They do not have the military capacity. And we cannot go inside cos it is a sovereign nation. Now, we can go in.

Listen...Niger is bigger than Nigeria...like 30% bigger, but its population is just 20 million people. Lagos's population is even more than this. So, the hideouts there are massive.

So, I support President Bola Tinubu to move now and kick out the military in Niger. After, he needs to kove to Chad. Set our boys there. And then, Cameroon and the rest will join us... and we remove those military guys in Mali, Burkina Faso...and the rest. But Naija must go after Niger now...and then Chad.

The negatives outweigh some of your good ideas. Even if the military action part of your plan works out, Nigeria lacks the organisation and economy to sustain the type of presence in Niger you imply.

One weak argument by some Nigerians in favour of ECOWAS restoring democracy in Niger is that which postulates coupes sweeping across West Africa must be checked less same overtakes the rest of West Africa including Nigeria. Implicit in this argument is the warning and threat ECOWAS will also pose to Nigeria's military by its decisive action restoring Niger's democracy.

Why the argument is weak is that the entire West Africa including central Africa can't stop Nigeria military taking over if they decide to mount a coupe. ECOWAS is Nigeria and poses no threat to Nigeria military.

The uncharitable argument for why Nigeria's military won't mount a coupe in Nigeria has nothing to do with ECOWAS but to do with the delicate power balance across Nigeria that might tilt towards civil strife should military force itself on citizens. I prefer to believe that Nigeria's military has simply matured and outgrown coupes.

If you're a progressive and Nationalist like me (Hmm, progressive and nationalist, hope this isn't a contradiction) you're reminded again reading through the posts why Tribalism is is anathema. No one takes responsibility when we adbot the tribal mindset. In a nation where the poor are already absolved of all responsibilites by the irresponsible we have the added dimension of tribal buck-passing. Abstract concepts are responsible for our problems in Nigeria not us - Witches, Igbo, Hossa, Yoruba, Politicians, corruption, Nigeria,

Jappanese Nigerians are bad for the Commercials buisness. Why should any foreign nation invest millions on PR companies to advertise thire countries as great places to visit when a Nigerian would do this for free. There are no foreign destinations too shitty for Nigerians to travel and eulogies.


Jappanese Nigerians politicking Japparing are for me worst for Nigeria than the worst politicians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkMvlIytqug

Dynamicboss:
It's easy for Nigeriens to cross border into Nigeria since its a bare land and there is no wall nor technology to detect their illegal immigration.

If it so happened that, for some reason, people couldn't leave thire country and Jappa across border to other countries, I bet citizens of these coupe nations would not be as celebratory as they are now with military take over.

Easy Jappa is another of several reasons why nations in Africa don't progress as much as they could.

On the other hand, why is leadership Nigeria ignoring Niger citizens' apparent support for the coupists ? Why are we taking a stand against French West African's anti France hegemony? Ironically, us Nigerians are foremost among the critics of what we saw as French West Africans docility before France's outrageous colonial retainership. Algerian islamists are also chronically anti-France.


In what way is France blackmailing us?

Nigeria leaders and, actually, Nigeria people, always putting Africa ahead of Nigeria. If Nigerian people are not putting Nigeria down and praising Ghana, Rwanda and South Africa , Nigeria leaders are sacrificing Nigeria soldiers lives and the economic well-being of Nigerians to go fight for other African countries. What has Africa ever done for Nigeria except join Europe, Middle East and Asians to mock Nigerians, calling us thieves, scammers and drug pushers.

The other day Ethiopia wouldn't even let Nigeriains fleeing Sudan enter their wack country.

41 African Countries Sign Military Agreements With Russia

I expect if I bother to research OP's post, embellishments, misdirection, deliberate misinterpretations and outright lies will be the resultant evidence, especially the inclusion of Nigeria. In reality, Nigeria is a none aligned nation that has cordial relations with both Russia and Ukraine.

I shouldn't - since people always post misinformation on Nairaland - but I cant help wanting to be amused by how OP might respond to a question that posits why his map indicates South Africa is not included among the African nations supposedly backing Russia against the West when South Africa has been the one most vocal in her support for Russia.

Unfortunately, Africa happened to Nigeria

I came to read how Nigeria is worse. Maybe, like, India beat Nigeria 1000 to zero at football.