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ckkris: Logic
Europeans were barbarians before the Gospel of Christ civilised them. Since you claim to know everything, please complete the sequence, of how they even organised into nation states, on the authority of the Bible, not Viking brigandage, or satanic Druid witchcraft. Please show respect to The Most High, and be grateful for what for the good life you're enjoying, which you don't want us to establish here in Africa. But we OVERCOME you. JESUS IS LORD.

Fail,the Europeans were babarians with christianity as evidence with European christian slavery and the inquistions with the barbaric torture of heretics and unbelivers

ckkris: Logic.
I've overcome many like you, and will definitely outlast you. You can only deceive those who REFUSE to heed Christ's warnings. I have 2 to 3 evidential facts to nullify all your lies. There just no need for that. If you show your face in the streets of Nigeria, and talk against God, the victims of your arrogance will be happy to see you. Enjoy the labours of European Christians, built by the sweat and blood of ordinary men and women, on the solid foundation that is Christ Jesus.

The labours of European christians Are you ignorant? The indusrial revolutionsin Europe came after an age of enlightenment in which socieites became more secular

jmoore: Do you have to go down this road everytime, as if some Christians are not scientists who contributed to the world. The wright brothers that invented the airplane, are they not Christians?



That's for you. I believe God created me therefore I am a child of God. Richard Dawkins believe he came from ape therefore he is a child of an ape. How is that difficult to assimilate?



so all scientists are now atheists? Huh!! Let them tell me what caused the big b@ng, and what caused what caused the big b@ng and what caused what caused what caused the big b@ng........ let me see when they will reach a "landing point"

Show me proof that the wright brothers are christian

Scientists are mostly atheists. Christianity has never reached a landing point. Genesis has been debunked

2good: Bolded was a Buddhist

Do Buddhist believe in God, Mr Cherry-pick?

However, you're an islamophobe

frosbel: Muslims can raise new topics in this general section which is all well and good.

But I raised a new topic in the ISLAM section which was deleted, a very inoffensive article if I may add.

Why do we now have a situation on this forum where one rule is made for only one particular sect and others can go 'hang'.

I understand radical Muslims are instilling fear into all and sundry worldwide , but this is an anonymous forum where freedom of speech should be of paramount importance, or is it

Atheists have turned the general section into a rude, bible bashing, Christian insulting and childish kindergarten-like place , but you never ever expect their posts to be deleted or comments for that matter.


I await further deletion of this article from the politically correct moderators.

Boko haram is dealing with their credibility?


However,to be honest, the problem is the layer of censorship that just makes non-muslims avoid commenting on islam.

ckkris: Lari03.
Evil deceivers like Logicboy & co are sent by Satan himself, to disarm those who are not fully committed to Christ. They are worse when they sneak into church and make themselves pastors, and General Overseers. And they enjoy being Boss over the lord's heritage.

I always knew that you're mad.

Devil sent me? Lmao

jmoore: why is it still unknown? looks like their brain ran out of fuel?

You are mocking sceintists' intelliegence? Ehem, what are your claims to knowledge, your degrees? Or does the bible make you an expert on the origins of the world?

jmoore: Richard Dawkins believe his descendants are apes therefore he is a son of an ape. why should I give such a man an audience to hear what he have to say?

1) Human and apes have common ancestors. Get your facts right

2) The most intelligent people (acccredited scientists) support evolution and are overwhelmingly atheists.

3) You live your life based on many atheists gadgets- Bill gates, Steve Jobs etc agnostic and atheists. Dont you feel like a hypocrite? Even the owner of this site is an atheist.

lari03: Dude there was a thread on NL last year, some guy who was kidnappped in port harcourt and shot and he survived so my friend your lack of faith is baseless.

Was he shot in the heart or in the forehead?

lari03: because I am a living testimony

You are just a piece of flesh and bones,nothing spiritual

lari03: Because a cousin of mine came from the village,my father had a second stroke, he survived, but 2 years later she confessed she was sent to kill my father, she almost did but she did not succeed, when she began to see faces on the walls and voices she had to confess, and today he is alive after 2 bouts of stroke and not dead, despite all the arrows of death through witchcraft. so my guy them dey either you believe it or not, and what sustains us inspite of all their attacks is faith in God and fervent prayers, and most importantly the mercy of God.

People survive strokes- not a miracle.

Can your dad survive a gunshot to the heart?

cyrexx: thank u 4 ur answers. but i'm afraid these are just your strong opinions. they not conclusive, as reasonable arguments can be put forth against them. i agree with some of your arguments, but i beg to differ on most others. (at least, each man is entitled to his opinion). I still subscribe to the possibility of a Higher Power, which mainstream religions have misrepresented. i will describe myself partially as an agnostic, but would not embrace atheism. i gained more insights, though. thanxx to you logicboy, avicenna, chrisbenoggor and other great thinkers in this forum

You ask questions that have no easy answers.

1) How did the world come about

2) Is there a creator.


You wont find anyone be it a scientist or a religious person that can give you 100% evdence on these questions. However,reasonable arguments can not be put for an intelligent designer. It has been debunked. As for how the world came about,it is clearly only science that can find out,not religion or spirituality. Science has always been going towards the absence of a creator.

If you are looking to be convinced to be a full atheist, you should be asking yourself questions. I cant answer all the questions.

lari03: suit yourself, one day we will meet somewhere, if ever, and then I promise to tell the story of my life and how real the spiritual world is,how people can peek into the future and send psychic attacks. I dont count on you accepting it, you are one of NL's greatest agonists and you can pick a flaw in every proposition, but somehow this simple things that exist must not be buried. Jesus is real, he came to earth, e died and he ressurected,people have lived for him, people have died for him also, so either you belive or not it does not change the reality that such things exist. The being called Allah or Semiramis exists as a principality in the realm of the spirit, either you beleive or not, it does not change the truth, even if you think its a fallacy. That you don't see God doesn't mean he won't judge you on the day of judgement. He will remind you of all the discussions you had on nairaland and how you vehemently opposed his existence only to find out too late that there exists life after death so its up to you and the others.it's all about you for now, but later you will find out that its all about GOD.

How do you know the God up there is your God? He could be Allah,Yaweh, Thor,Zeus, Ogun, Obatala etc

What do you think?

maasoap: Christianity losing
ground in Britain
Sat, 24 Dec 2011
13:47:32 GMT
Poll results and market signals show Christianity is becoming increasingly irrelevant in the British society despite PM David Cameron's last week claim that Britain is a Christian country.
According to the official Citizenship Survey, the number of people who identify themselves as Christians has plunged from 77 percent in 2005 to 70 percent last year.
This comes as over the same period, the percentage of people who said they have no religion has increased by an almost similar proportion from 15 percent in 2005 to 21 percent in 2010.
“While Christianity remained the most prevalent faith in England and Wales, between 2005 and 2010 there was a steady decrease in the proportion of people who identified themselves as Christian,” the survey said.
The study also found even the people who do identify themselves as Christians do not practice it as a religion.
“Christian people were much less likely than all the other main religions to say that they practiced their religion,” it said.
This is while, market sales ahead of Christmas apparently support the Citizenship Survey findings.
A snapshot poll by the Daily Mail has shown that only 0.5 percent of 6,576 Christmas cards on sale feature messages or pictures relevant to the religious background the festivities while some are designed to openly challenge the bible.
The survey said that across all Asda branches, only four out of 2,638 Christmas
cards (0.15 percent) on offer carried religious pictures or symbols.
Cameron said on the 400th anniversary of King James Bible last week “we are a Christian country and we should not be afraid to say so," stressing the bible has provided Britain with “a set of values and morals” that make it “what it is today.”
With the poll and market figures at hand, Cameron's
comments appear as nothing more than a political stunt.
Religious lobby group Christian Voice, openly challenged Cameron's comments saying an organized campaign seems to be in process in Britain against Christianity despite the PM's call on the Church of England to promote moral
values.
“There's a kind of
militant atheism and nasty secularism at work in this country which is completely opposed to Christianity,” Christian Voice's national director Stephen Green said.
His concerns were
echoed by Don
Horrocks, of the
Evangelical Alliance.
“Half a per cent of
cards with religious themes when 70 per cent of people describe themselves as
Christian shows this is totally out of kilter with the country,” he said.

The people that brought us christianity are realising that christianity is not necessary in the modern world. When will ~Nigeria learn?

lari03: \i like the scientific nature of logicboy's mind.
But come to Nigeria and see na,where Alhajis swear for people and the curse catches up with them! Things happen brother, that only God can attest to all the wickedness.
I think you should ask nairalanders about eze ego or talk to the naira lander called okija_juju and see if truely men do not use blood to make money.

You talk as if I did not grow up in Nigeria.

Abeg, stop d superstition.

lari03: Ok I see you dont believe suit your self. But first got to india and tell them there is no spiritual power that the world evolved to its current state.
@ diluminati the presence of a counterfeit surely implies that there is an original.(juju vs christianity).
These are things that happen like every day in Nigeria, people get rich from rituals, people get lost from ritual kidnappings almost every week in some part of Nigeria so you need to get real. Jazz dey.

Have you ever seen blood turning to money with your own eyes?

cyrexx: @logicboy

you have not directly answered by basic question:
1. is random occurrence/chance (thru evolution and adaptation) ALONE responsible for everything we see or do you think there is a possiblity of an Intelligent Mind and Designer (who may not be the Christian or Islamic God described by religions)?

2. our brains may not perfect in memory recall. but it still does a hell of a multi-tasking and information processing job like a big computer, if not better. if a computer is created and designed. do you say our more complex brain occurs by random occurence.?

3. you say the Intelligent Designer is not so intelligent. have you designed and deployed something bigger and better than what he has done? no offense, bro

4. you said the infinity we know is in mathematical measurement alone and not in existence. are you saying there are no possibilties of realities beyond our knowledge. do you think you know about every reality that could be known to mankind?

pls provide direct answers
thanxx

1) Yes, random chance has been the explanation of everything we know.

2) Our brain fails at multi-tasking. You can not process information like a computer with your brain. How many street lights are there from your house to your place of work which you travel to and fro almost everyday? Why didnt your brain process that information?

3) The intelligent designer does not exist in the first place.

4) There is no proof that the universe is infinite or finite. The only infinity we know about is in maths.

jmaine: With your full name and your mother maiden name . .insanity can be invoked on you right there and now . . .feel like trying . . .

Sharaap.


You want to use my name for identity fraud? Identity fraud can make the victim go mad.

lari03: you cannot see spirits with your physical eyes, but when you sleep and your soul separates from your body on a spirit walk you enter into the world of spirits. That is why deja vu occurs, you have seen something happen before and it happens again, because you first saw it while you were asleep.

Sharaap.

De ja vu to me is a simple cycle of memory loss and memory gain. You must have done/felt/smelt/touched somethingbefore and you remember when you do it again

jmaine: Question 1:- Are you in Nigeria, If No . .when are you likely to be in Nigeria

Question 2:- whenever your in Nigeria , how would you want to test your believe that there is no spiritual power . .

oops, I forgot, you all scared shyte of stepping into Nigeria and declaring your atheism boldly . . .Just in case you can do that . .i would love to arrange for you to attend some of those brutal local festivals where raw undiluted voodoo are practiced and let's see how you would fare with your pistol when it comes face to face with voodoo . . . You think say Odeshi na film trick . .even the campus cultist would attest to the efficacy of the traditional voodoo bullet proof . .

Why doesnt your voodoo work in Europe?

Right back at you! Boom!

lari03: You said Europeans are turning into atheists do you know why? because there are subtle spiritual influences that are working to see people act like animals.Have you heard of Maithunya agara, it is a hindu word that describes our current world as "the shackles of sex life".That is one of the most potent distractions humans face,sex. Believe, what you will but all the porn, illuminati, eckankar, amorc,Ogboni,ekpe cults etc are instruments in the hands of the fallen angel Lucifer to capture the souls of men.

You are going mad. So Europeans are now cursed with spirits?

lari03: That is very illogical,that amounts to suicide or asking why if there was truly a God, he did not create a cow with two heads(hypothetically speaking).
God will rather have us avoid such physical confrontations.
2nd corinthians 10 vs 4 says 'though we walk in the flesh,we do not war after the flesh.
Humans are not our problems,but principalities and powers of darkness, spiritual wickedness in high places.

You havent seen any spirits, so what are you talking about?

jmaine:
Thank You bros, . . .Whoever says there is no display of voodoo/Jazz/Juju in Nigeria is either blatantly ignorant or is a shameful liar . . .If you feel your brave . .when next you come to Naija . .locate a powerful voodoo practitioner and challenge him/her in a duel that there is no mystical power somewhere . . .make we hear scores if you wont run unclad into the street due to invoked insanity . . .

Why is it that there is no spiritual warrior that shows his/her power on television? Why doesnt he or she challenge people?


Call your local voodoo guy to meet me and my gun. Let's see if he can take a bullet to the heart and to the eye

lari03: Well bros, spirituality exists in the real world that is the first basic fact that you must accept before the talk of any religion comes up.There are battles in the realm of the spirit and man being a tripartite being is either ignorant or conscious of this fact sir.

We can test your spirituality. I can bring a gun and you can call any spiritual god or power to save you from my bullet

[quote author=tpia@]do you have a store of empathy somewhere that you use for a rainy day, or why are you shouting and soliciting for others to give you what you dont give out?

are you one of those people who constantly ask from others what they themselves dont give. Always a receiver, never a giver.






you want sympathy/empathy- can you point me to some links showing where i or anyone received the same from you.




my being a christian means you should feel you can just dump anyhow on people? Without regard to common manners and decency? [/quote]1) Give without asking. Is that not what your religion teaches?

2) I was not mannerless in the two quotes of mine that you put up

3) There was no need for my empathy/sympathy at any of our previous meetings and so your point is irrelevant

@ Cyrexx


1) You claim that fulgurite is unattractive. Unattractive to who? Some people say that Mercedez benz is ugly while Toyota is beautiful.

Also what about sand dunes? Are they not beautiful?


https://www.my-iphone.com/assets/images/iphone-wallpapers/nature/iphone-wallpaper-sand-dunes.jpg


Evolution and adpatation explain your questions of photosynthesis, DNA and chlorophyl. The sun doesnt rise or set. All animals are beautiful.The periodic table is not written in stone or uniform. Sceintists keep finding more new elements


2)Do yo realise that our brains are not perfect? Your intelligent designer is not so intelligent. Our brains are subject to cognitive bias. Our brains keep failing us with fogetting basic things. Can you tell me the how many windows are in your favourite restaurant's room that you eat?


3) The only infinity we know is in measurement and not existence

ijawkid: Y'all slaves 1 way or the other.....atheists,christians,muslims,everybody.....
We r all slaves....if u feel u aint a slave then go leave outside this earth....


Logic boy have u ever heard of false christians b4

Yeah false christians pretendin to be christians were d 1's who took part in d act of slave trade...
It was false christianity that engaged in wars and genocides....
Jesus christ never taught nor supported all those vile things.

I asked u if any of d 1st century christians engaged in slave trade u still haven't given me an answer...


False christians will always mess up what Jesus stood for,but Jesus and d principles he fostered will always remain d same.....

Learn from Jesus and despise false christians...

Ok

Lol, when a christian does good,he is a christian, when he does bad,he is a false christian.


Slavery in the 1st century
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Rome

lari03: @ question3 so whats your point?I can state categorically, if you were in Nigeria and you have experienced local festivals and voodoo face to face you dare not come out and say there is no God. Just like the Nigerian musician Sound Sultan crooned 'Na wetin you see with your eyes you go feel' Dey there for Europe make you think say na Church cause Nigeria problem.

Fact is even the christian who professes God but does not live in holiness will rot in hell,what you say is not as important as what you do, God judges motives not just words.@ question 2

The gospel is free of charge and you can refuse to hear, but these people are obeying the instruction laid down for them in the holy scriptures.@ question 1

I am a Nigerian and have lived in Nigeria for many years. All those festivals that ?I hav been to claim to be spiritual, yet,I havent seen any magic or voodoo.

Furthermore I never said that christianity is the cause of Nigeria's problems. It is one of the main causes of problems in Nigeria but not the sole cause.


Christianity is a foriegn religion. It came to West Africa througt European slavery and it is funny that people accept it.Even europeans are becoming atheistic.

Avicenna: 1)Most people make this mistake, thinking this planet,solar system was made specifically for us. No,its not. This planet was at a reasonable distance, of reasonable size and our specific form of life was able to survive on it. If it was made for us, then all planets must have a type of life it can support made specifically for it . Venus,for instance is regarded as earth twin, it cannot support life. Mars, rovers have landed looking for life,none is yet to be found. Distant planets which have earth's life supporting attributes are being looked at but for now,we cannot properly explore them. If we find life, this will put to rest,notions that life on earth was put there instead of it as a random occurence.

2) Man being superior in intellect to other animals also 'logically' presume there must be something greater in intellect than us. This is false. When no other creatures seem to match us, we assume God put us in charge of them to do as we please. Do you know that the difference between us and primates is that they have around 5% more DNA than we do. Complexity of the brain is something that evolved over time. The brain and eye cannot see ultraviolet,some animals(insects) can. We cannot hear some frequencies,some animals can. Why? Because its not particularly needed to survive,even detrimental to our survival. Tho, because we make advanced computers,it may look as if since our brain is even more efficient than a computer, then someone must have created it. This is not necessary. Look at the evolutionary tree,as we move,our brain develops and gain more complexity in order to SURVIVE. As a medical student, I can tell you the brain is a f**ked up place even in its complexity. A simple trick can turn the brain in all its glory to a confused neuron firing nut case.


3) Yes, it did. But to label that unknown(for now),God, is illogical. Once upon a time, the sun was worshipped. Why? It was believed to be singly the source of life. Now we know better. Once it was proven incorrect, that there are billions and billions of other stars, that explanation became obsolete. Once we discover what happened beyond the big bang, some people will still claim wherever that knowledge stops is where God is. And it will continue. Just Ask GALILEO. Why does it have to a HE? Why not a equation or principle or even SHE? Are they not grand and elegant enough?


4)All those laws are random occurrences in a sense. Cause and effect really. Tho, I agree that its a mystery why the universe even obeys laws of mathematics and most laws of physics but that still does not prove the existence of all-powerful,omni-everything God whose sole preoccupation is to play human beings on chess boards. Who is as anthropomorphic as the next human.
Hope this answers your questions. I asked same.

You mad? Why are you trying to outdo my answers?

On a serious note, it's good to see another answer from a similar but different perspective. Thanks for your answer. I also learnt something

ckkris: Logicboy cannot oppose Jesus more than satanists Voltaire, Joseph Stalin, or Mao. The Church is expanding in millions in China. One of the best books on Christianity was written by Watchman Nee, who was killed in a prison by Chairman Mao's Communists, who, like ilogics, said there is no God. A Nigerian, Pastor Adelaja is winning many converts in the former Soviet Union, where devil-possessed Communists forced people not to worship God. Logic lies is not a problem at all.

Ignorance is the christian's best friend.


China will never be christian- Chinese do not like being told that they are inferior to white people (Jews)

Christianity is dying in Russia just like other parts of Europe