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davidylan: why? because you cant explain it?

davidylan: That's really stupid. It is the prerogative of parents to choose what they feel their parents should be exposed to. After all like you said, these classes are ELECTIVE! You can choose to opt your kids out of it. Why should me kids be deprived of the very idea of creationism just because you find it offensive?

davidylan: Actually, no one has advocated creationism as an alternative to evolution rather it has been the other way round.
Creationism has always been in elective religious classes and should stay that way, we are just about getting sick of dumb atheists who want to use the courts to remove those elective religious classes from our public schools altogether.

davidylan: Ah no one knows for sure. Good point. If you dont know then how are you so sure that the creation story is bogus? Afterall you have no viable alternative no?

davidylan: Actually, no one has advocated creationism as an alternative to evolution rather it has been the other way round.
Creationism has always been in elective religious classes and should stay that way, we are just about getting sick of dumb atheists who want to use the courts to remove those elective religious classes from our public schools altogether.

tbaba1234: There is a difference between a majority muslim state and an Islamic state.... currently there exists no Islamic state... We have mainly secular states with majority muslim populations.

davidylan: Epic fail again.
The above is NOT true. Creationists are not angling to teach creationism as a science, you wont find genesis in your biology textbook. Creationists are simply asking that it be taught (just as it always has been) as an alternative to the origin of man in schools. They are not asking to gatecrash your science class.

davidylan: i notice none of you is smart enough to answer a single question posed to you. Fantastic stuff from the kings of noise making.

AlvinPlantinga: A world without religion or a world without God or a world without fanatical religion?Three questions with three different answers.

A theist might argue a world without religion is an oxymoron.Since it implies a world without a creator,and without a creator there would be no world to speak of.
But assuming for an instance that there was no religion,no God, there is a very strong likelyhood that the world would be a very bad place.[/b]This might sound simplistic and frankly, ignorant, but delving into the philosophical and historical evidence, there is some truth to the statement.

AlvinPlantinga: [b]Historical
Religious wars have not claimed deaths anywhere near as much as terrestial,political and tribal wars have.Worst genocides in history are oddly enough, from secularists governments:

1.Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78 million deaths
2.Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39) 23 million deaths (the purges plus Ukraine's famine)
[s]3.Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) 12 million deaths (concentration camps and civilians WWII)[/s]
[s]4.Leopold II of Belgium (Congo, 1886-1908) 8 million deaths[/s].
5.Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44) 5 Million (civilians in WWII)

AlvinPlantinga: In the absence of religion, humans will still find a reason to kill each other.The Rwandan genocide was a tribal affair,even though 99% of Somalis practise the same brand of islam, they have been fighting for decades because of differences in clans.

AlvinPlantinga: Communist china is the worst perpetrator of human rights violations.Especially towards tibetans.North Korea is virtually a prison and a rogue state, where human liberties are at the mercy of the state.this is a also a communist and secular state.

AlvinPlantinga: Denmark and the scandinavian countries are often given as examples of thriving secular states, but one thing people fail to mention is its splendid governance structure,democracy and fiscal policies.Simply being "secular" does not mean that you will not end up with a corrupt undemocratic country.Many of the Eastern European countries are poor, and yet are very secular.America is the most powerful country in the world,yet it is one of the most religious in the developed world.Should we then attribute religion to its success?

AlvinPlantinga: Dubai, Qatar Kuwait are 99% religious, and one of the richest countries in the world?should we then ignore the vast oil wealth and declare religion to be the reason behind the economic success of the countries?

buzugee: as it should. a nation of edomite heathens who conquered and destroyed the world have been purposely put in darkness because they have a tonne of a-ss whooping coming to them from the lord.

ISAIAH 6 VS 10[b] Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed[/b]

Image123: i gave a christian perspective. ithink i'm finished here.

mazaje: Sin is subjective, no?. . .Eating of pork is a sin to some while it isn't to others. . .A new earth remains a myth ,a ridiculous fantasy and superstition. . .It has nothing to do with reality. . .Why believe Jesus when he talks about the new earth when he told his deciples that he will return before they finish running round israel for persecution?. . .

mazaje: you did very well, he eventually ran away after you exposed his tactics. . . .

Image123: What is religion?
A world without religion(whatever it means) would not be better than it is. Maybe different ofcourse but not much better. A world without sin would be much more better. Man's main problem is sin, other problems are a result of sin. That's what Jesus came to take care of. He wants a people whose sins have been taken care of, so that they can live with Him in the coming new earth, after this earth has been destroyed.

Image123: It's not 'faultier', it's just that the 'network' is clearer as there is pronounced spiritual activity and belief. The atmosphere's is more saturated as it were.

mazaje: can you post a link to where u guys had the exchanges with davidylan on evolution?. . . .perfect description of davidylan any way. . . he thinks evolution equates to atheism, when the fact is there are more theist that believe in evolution than atheist. . .many atheist do not believe in evolution but the fooool keeps yapping about evolution as if it has anything to do with atheism. . .evolution is the scientific position and is accepted by theist and atheist,one of the greatest advocates of evolution is a christian. . .but trust the blowhard imb[i]e[/i]cile to come around trying to make evolution the center of atheism. . .

mazaje: can you post a link to where u guys had the exchanges with davidylan on evolution?. . . .perfect description of davidylan any way. . . he thinks evolution equates to atheism, when the fact is there are more theist that believe in evolution than atheist. . .many atheist do not believe in evolution but the fooool keeps yapping about evolution as if it has anything to do with atheism. . .evolution is the scientific position and is accepted by theist and atheist,one of the greatest advocates of evolution is a christian. . .but trust the blowhard imb[i]e[/i]cile to come around trying to make evolution the center of atheism. . .

Pastor AIO: dislike away! I can live with it.

Jack65: Best description so far.

Callotti: Gooooooood Riddddddddddddddddddance to 'em CHRISTIAN JIGABOOS!
I don't know anything about Islam and DO NOT CARE TO KNOW ABOUT SUCH AN EXTREMELY BACKWARD CONCEPT.
Christianity is bad enough!
Goooooooooooooood Riddddddddddddddddance I say!

segestic: u abandoned GOD AND RELIGION TODAY. WELCOME TO SATANS DOMINION. HELL IS WAITING FOR THOSE THAT ABANDONS JESUS CHRIST. PLEASE ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOUR NOW BEFORE IT IS TO LATE. FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT AFTER LIFE (ETERNITY) GET THIS BOOK: DIVINE REVELATION OF HELL & DIVINE REVELATION OF HEAVEN BY MARY K. BAXTER.

PLS TAKE THIS MESSAGE URGENTLY AS YOUR LIFE (ETERNITY) IS TIED.

JESUS BLESS.

dekung: Well maybe not, but trust trolls like davidylan, the defender of the christian myth, to come here and throw insult in his signature character

Pastor AIO: So the simple answer should have been 'no'. How come all those muslims, imams amongst them could not give that simple answer?

Second question. Has there ever been an Islamic state? Where and when? What happened to it?