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[quote author=La_Divalicious]@logicboy lol. hmmmm ok lets see,
1).Jesus Christ gave us a new covenant which did away with some of the old laws if not we would still be sacrificing lambs. and i think our definition of slave IS different from the meaning in the Bible. but i think you should read the whole verse and the Bible for you to understand not just quote out of context really don't know how to expalain this but lemme just say.....[/quote]Jesus never condemned slavery in the bible. Any historian will tell you that slavery was common during the time of Jesus in Israel or the Roman empire.

Jesus did not give a new convenant. You said that he stopped us from sacrificing lambs to God but how did he do that? By ironically sacrificing himself.

[quote author=La_Divalicious]
2).Slavery was permitted in the Bible because of sin in the world. It existed way before the Jews were formed as a nation and it existed after Israel was conquered. God allows many things to happen in the world such as storms, famine, murder, etc etc. Slavery, like divorce, is not preferred by God. Instead, it is allowed. Where many nations treated their slaves very badly, the Bible gave many rights and privileges to slaves. So, even though it isn't the best way to deal with people, because God has allowed man freedom, slavery then exists. [b]God instructed the Israelites to treat them properly and he even gave them conditions [/b]e.g* regarding your brethren, the children of Israel, you shall not rule over one another with rigor**.[/quote]1) You say slavery was permitted in the bible and by Gid because of sin. Does that show that either God is wicked or God doesnt exist? How can someone that is supposed to be all knowing and powerful allow families to be torn apart by slavery and people to be owned like sheep. By the way, there is still sin in the world, should God allow your family be sold as slaves?

2) You say slavery is not preferred by God but it is allowed. Why did he not punish any slave master in the bible for being a slave but destroyed Sodom and Gommorrah for homosexuality and perversion?

3) You say the bible gives rights and privileges to slaves. If a slave had privileges, would he or she have to be the property of the master? Are you not aware of the passage in the bible that allows a slave master to beat his slave as long as the slave can survive two days after the beating;

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)





[quote author=La_Divalicious]
3).The Bible acknowledged the slave’s status as the property of the master (Ex. 21:23; Lev. 25:46),
The Bible restricted the master’s power over the slave. Ex. 21:20).
The slave was a member of the master’s household (Lev. 22:11)
The slave was required to rest on the Sabbath (Exodus 20:10; Deut. 5:14)
The slave was required and to participate in religious observances (Gen. 17:13; Exodus 12:44; Lev. 22:11).
The Bible prohibited extradition of slaves and granted them asylum (Deut. 23:16-17).
The servitude of a Hebrew debt-slave was limited to six years (Ex. 21:2; Deut. 15:12).
When a slave was freed, he was to receive gifts that enabled him to survive economically (Deut. 15:14)
privately owned slaves functioned more as domestic servants than as an agricultural or industrial labor force.[/quote]1) You dont see anything wrong in the bible accepting that a human being can own another human being? Does that feel right to your conscience? Can you actually say that in the public?

2)The part where yu say that privately owned slaves functioned more as domestic servants is clearly wrong. There is no possible way to back that claim up. Furthermore, agriculture and building were the major economic activities in biblical times. Labour was most needed tin those areas.

3)Do you honestly believe that slavery by men in biblical times (who had no technology, bad hygiene, killed witches) was better than 16th century transatlantic slavery?


[quote author=La_Divalicious]and to your other question Matthew 15:24 right? what's your point? that Jesus is only for the Jews right? this story is about a Canaanite did you read the whole chapter? Jesus was, and is, The King of the Jews. even though most of them rejected Him. To come to God, in the time before Jesus it was necessary to become a Jew. The woman was not a Jew.
Jesus knew all along what He would be doing. He knew He would indeed heal and bless. But in the process, He taught this Canaanite woman, and all who have studied her story, the power and reality of true worship.
Even though Jesus and his disciples continually kept dismissing her, she still kept faith that jesus was her Master, the Messiah. Even after being called a dog, and being represented as even low scum, she replied with "You're right, Lord. But even the dogs eat scraps that fall from their masters' tables." She proved her faith, and so Jesus cured her daughter.
He came for all of us, not just the Jews. But the promise was given to the Jews, and He did go to them first and foremost.

I think Jesus could have done much worse to the woman, and she would have still sought help for her child. He knew that because of how much more He was willing to do for us to save us. That's the point of the story. when you stop taking scripture as a whole and only choose a small part, you miss the whole meaning of what God was trying to teach.. please go through this http://www.biblebc.com/forpreachers/SermonVault/Worship/biblical_worship__the_canaanite.htm and am sure you'll understand better.



[quote author=La_Divalicious]and about your last questions here are the answers (in my opinion though)
God's ways are perfect to Him, He does what pleases Him and He decided to choose the Jews through the obedience of one man(Abraham) and God never breaks His covenant, we've seen that even in Davids time. Through Abraham's dedication and willingness to give up everything for God, he was chosen - and his descendents after him - to become the teachers of morality. In other words, Abraham chose God, and thus God chose Abraham. or do you think God was partial? NO. God is Sovereign! He is not a respecter of persons (Acts 10:34), And He could choose anyone He decided to choose.. NOT being chosen gives one the ability to choose, though he too can choose to be chosen.
the idea of chosen people is a nation of individuals who have been given the opportunity to sense God's closeness, hear His truth and relay his message to the world. Abraham's righteousness and obedience paved the way for others. and God uses the foolish things of the world to confound the wise. The Jews were chosen because they were the seed of Abraham, because we needed a Savior, they were chosen to present God to the whole world. they were selected not for special favors, but for a special PURPOSE preparatory to the ultimate establishment of the Kingdom of God.[/quote]If you went to a doctor to treat your son and he said that he only treats Asian people and that your culture is scum, how would you feel? Isnt that doctor a racist? lol


[quote author=La_Divalicious]God owes no man, and He's faithful and JUST in His ways, when other nations were going astray and serving other gods, The Jews were the first Monotheistic people.
All around them were people who worshiped a multitude of gods, Abraham believed and worshiped the One True God. and do not forget that other nations were still going astray. God made some promises to him, and God will not go back on His promises... and it wasn't only to the Jews God showed Himself (Ruth, was a Moabite but she must have seen God's faithfulness for her to believe in God and Jesus is from her lineage too).
i think have answered your questions. sorry to say you don't believe in God why are you trying to mislead others? through your posts and comments? something tells me your questions' not cause you want to learn about Christianity and the Christian God but to mock God Stop working for the devil and find the Lord even now He loves you. . when you read the Bible try to understand the situations surrounding it e.g why it was written, what happened before and after. if you don't understand ask the Holy spirit to Help you, Jesus said He'll guide us into all truth. and do not read it as a doubter in Christ but cause you want to learn. thanks.[/quote]Jews were not the first monotheistic people.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_the_first_monotheistic_religion

davidylan: This is pure bull. Christians have never shied away from the fact that the gospel is an article of FAITH. You cannot scientifically understand the book of genesis. I am more than comfortable with biblical myths. What's your problem there?

You have clearly stated that your religion is fiction. Do u know wat a myth is?

davidylan: Really? The amount of puerile nonsense you have to put up with here is nauseating.

Prove any of the three statements there wrong.


douch£bag

davidylan: you have a serious problem with answering cogent intellectual questions?
You have a problem with folks who expose the fact that you are all mostly dependent on the quotes of others with very little in terms of intelligent reasoning from you self-proclaimed bastions of scientific research?

i laugh in greek.

Everyone knows that ur a troll

joe4christ: Why would you stoop so low as to continue argueing with this retardeens who have been trapped by their own knowledge, they have been sold to a reprobate mind, thinking they're wise without seeing the intensity of their foolishness.

Just let them be, as i've always said, we would surely see who would laugh last, but till then let them keep on swimming in their own pool of delusion.

You call the smartest people in the world (scientists) who support evolution retardeens. I think you're the one wallowing in delusion

LagosShia: honestly speaking,"frosbel" is in the habit of creating very provocative threads with either the aim to insult or talk down on others or simply promote ignorance.you know very well that any thread about Islam created in the religion forum,would end up being moved to the Islam section.and in the Islam section it would be at the mercy of the moderators there who are Muslim.you are not a muslim,so why bother in trying to present a wrong image of Islam?

that aside,even myself as a Muslim,and having alot to share with the others in the Islam section have faced the scenario where my thread was deleted because deleted because the mod wrongly thought it was offensive to Sunnis.in fact even though i am Shia and that thread carries alot of weight for Shia Muslims,the thread is really not offensive to Muslims.anyways,the thread was deleted.so i finally opened another thread for dialogue with the mod.i finally was told the title was offensive so instead of only editing or changing the title he altogther deleted the post.we finally reached a conclusion where i agreed to edit my thread and remove the "offensive" adjective and the mod allowed the thread to be.

my advice to you is to start constructive threads with the aim of engaging others in reasoning.God knows my thread was not aimed at offending my Sunni brothers but telling them to wake up.and because i know i was not aiming to offend anyone,i edited my thread so that it looks less controversial and the mod allow it to be posted.

so frosbel,you dont go into discussions with the aim of formenting trouble.you know how the situation in the religion forum between you and I used to be.mostly,muslims in the religion forum do not start threads to offend anyone.they start threads to educate about Islam and those threads end up in the Islam section (moved by the moderator).so most of the contributions of muslims in the religion forum is taking part in threads started by non-muslims and contributing to them.yourself "frosbel" turned the religion forum into a playground to attack Islam and insult muslims at will.but at a point,it became a competition between me and you.i also started creating provocative threads against christianity and still take part and contribute in your threads.when many people complained of the situation here then you stopped your provocation and i also stopped my retaliation.now the religion forum is peaceful where people air their views without the goal of targetting others.to a lesser extent the christians and atheists are fighting it out.anyways,to cut things short,there is really no need to offend or insult anyone.it would not make your religion more attractive nor will it convince me to follow you if you apply insults and low morals.

everyone is entitled to his beliefs,opnions and ways.so try to contribute and open threads that others dont perceive as provocation.open threads to teach.whenever i want to start a thread to draw people to Shia (Islam),i start threads that Sunnis would see as educative and revealing.i even use their books and references to make my case since we share many things in common.

This is the only opic that I have seen atheists, christians and agnostics agree. Having a separate section for muslims is a sign of intolerance. Sorry. There are pagans and christians and agnostics here, no religion deserves special treatment. We each get our sections or everyone shares a section.

Muslims on Nairaland are shooting themselves in the foot. You pushing people away from your religion.


Frosbel might be an islamophobe but he is right on this one

[quote author=La_Divalicious]Who's this logicboy? should i say words of ignorance? Did Jesus die only for the Jews? NO John 1:12 . well i'll just be nice don't know exactly your point. and sorry am just replying you, MY KING(Jesus Christ) is no racist . to MY OWN understanding(i might be wrong cause am not a pastor) The Bible said Abraham chose to serve God when others turned their backs on the creator and cos of that singular act God made lots of covenants with Him.(and Jews are the descendants of Abraham).
"Chosen People" is not a badge of superiority and separation. Quite the contrary: Jewish chosenness is a humble call to action and responsibility. Jews are chosen much as one may say to a child: "The room needs cleaning, and I choose you to do the work; you are my 'chosen' child." In this way, all people are chosen for something. Jews specifically have been chosen to,be of service to others so that the world may be a more just place.
if you check the story of Ruth, she was a Moabite woman who was forbidden to even enter the temple and still God chose her and used her mightily (lots of them like that in the Bible).
and for the records MY BILE said *Go ye into the WORLD *not* to the jews and preach the Gospel to ALL nations.
In CHRIST JESUS there is no difference between Jew or Gentile. This is recorded in the BIBLE. ( 1 Corithians 12:13; Galathians 3:28 WE are all one in Christ Jesus, Romans 8:17 how sweet [color=#770077][/color] )
well i think have answered you or? and always remember God loves you.[/quote]God's instruction to isrealites;

Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves."


Jesus's mission;

Mathew 15;24
"He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."


Please tell me why God only appeared to Jews from Abraham to Jesus? Why would God chose Jews? You say Abraham was obedient but does that mean that all jews are obedient or other people like Asians were diobedient?

JeSoul: 100% on point -plus more and that is part of the allure. You'll note that Walter is frequently seen as nuts by the other people around him who don't know about Fringe division and he even still amazes those who know him. The very definition of "Fringe" itself denotes a departure and deviation from orthodox theories & means of conducting research - which includes the considerationg & embracing of even the most ludicrous and seemingly impossible alternatives. Just like a tv would've been considered outrageous at one point, some of what is 'fringe' today will not be at another point. What we know is constantly evolving...

Haha...well, there would be an infinite amount of possibilities all around.

Do you think there are people right now with abilities that defy explanation? There was a thread on unexplained events/occurences, lemmme see if I can find it.

so why are u not atheist or agnostic?

Pastor AIO: Bros, thanks for the support. If I talk say na spirit lead me to all these things I know say you no go accept that one, so let us just say that I have a passion for history.

For me for me, personally, I believe in a unified Nigeria. Even more than that I am a Pan Africanist. I do not believe that the impetus for all the Boko Haram nonsense comes from within Nigeria. I believe they are just pawns in the hands of some foreign forces. But why . . . ? That is what I'm not hundred per cent sure of yet.

I do not see how southern Nigeria can survive without the North. Where does all the food we consume in the south come from? All the meat? even all the veg?
Yoruba land is not so fertile. Igbo land is even less fertile. All the rivers in the delta area have been polluted. Na oil we wan chop? I reckon if managed properly Benue State alone can feed not only Nigeria but the whole of Africa.

However It will be very hard to convince nigerians to secularise their society and leave religion as a private matter. If you can believe that what your neighbour does in his room can affect your health and business (witchcraft) then it is a small step from that to wanting to monitor everything that he does in the privacy of his bedroom.

Are you not a christian??

JeSoul: ^dude, it was a joke . There's some difference in your writing styles.

no probs

diluminati: do you know where i can get this cortexifan?
and do you believe in pseudo science?

lol...I dont believe in fringe or pseudo science

JeSoul: Lol. I kept confusing the two of you at first because you both showed up around the same time with the launch of NL2. You sure you're not related?

I am not related to logic mind.

lekkie073: the age of pisces brought about the issues of religion and spirituality......in this age, religious ideologies reign supreme.....the piscean age is 2156yrs i.e. Some yrs bc to the very near future. The next age is the age of aquarius....the age of technology, entertainment, the age where scientists will replace priests as the ppl to identify with....the age of acquarius is so so near. He who has ears......

Smoking astrological weed again, bro?

buzugee: i am young, i believe i am young, and the lord says i am young. thats all that matters. whats it to you anyhow ? are you trying to propose to me ? you a faggit now huh ?

Cant two men have a discussion? Your guy Jesus was always with 12 men! What is wrong with you? Why did you bring up homosexuality?

musKeeto: So he didn't do it? THAT SETTLES THE MATTER, I THINK..

So you finally see the lies of your christian brethren?

Ptolomeus: There is no doubt that Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, are all foreign religions in Nigeria.
None of them are originally from Nigeria. The overwhelming majority of them were imposed by force in times of conquest, and others are born by imitation. But none of them are Nigerian.

100% agree

2good: Not the point. Just trying to correct your error so you can put forth a sound and better truthful argument next time. Learning from a clear mistake should be one of the hallmark of someone that seek better understanding of his environment

Epic Fail. Did you think that I did not know that Steve Jobs was a buddhist? https://www.nairaland.com/908720/where-god-everyday-lives


Bhuddism is quite an atheistic religion

JeSoul: ^^lol. I'm sure he'll be here to defend himself against the intolerant & hateful jesoul when his ban is up on friday I believe. I don't think he's a bad dude, just needs to develop some patience that's all. And I could've probably been a bit more patient with him...but this is also not a lawless section.

Can you believe that I have no connection to logic mind? It's quite weird that we are both atheists with logic in our names.

I created my username and logged into Nairaland in march/feb and lo and behold, I find some other atheist called logic mind

JeSoul: Why so? do you think those views are incompatible with christianity?

Watching fringe shows the endless possibilities of science and the randomness of life. If you notice, many innocent people just die like fowls on fringe, a psychopath can kill hundreds of people with airborne viruses, you could have a wormhole to the next universe that destroys a whole city etc.

Also, an alternate universe would have jesus christ not denied by peter or betrayed by Judas and therefore not crucified. Which means that Jesus or christianity can be a failure in an alternate universe that comprises of forgone alternatives.


Remember that cortexifan makes people god-like

buzugee: i am not a historian. i believe in the bible and then i link it with history.

Still, I doubt if you are young.

buzugee: so anyone above 25 is too old ? oh dear. dunno what universe you are living on

Sharaap! stop claiming football age. You are at least 40 years old. Young historians are rare

buzugee: you definitely aint healthier than me. i am 6ft tall and i can kick up to a height of 6ft 5 inches. can you kick that high ?

Wow. I am far shorter than you but you're too old. Go home and be a family man

JeSoul: Lol. No such thing as a perfect story without loopholes. But I do agree they went on a tangent that wasn't necessary, but still, there's no other show quite like it on TV.

Hmm... personal experiences are a tricky thing. You can't prove it to anyone but at the same time you're so sure of it. I don't think we should discount peoples experiences. Like I mentioned to diluminati, someone talking about a screen with moving images of people from across the globe shown live would have seemed utterly ridiculous to someone from the stone-age. I'm sure there are many utterly ridiculous things today that won't be in the future.

100% agree. Then why arent u agnostic/atheist?

2good: The video shows that no god have play in our lives but the religionist will always try to ascribe occurrences to the god factor so as to justify their believes and fantasy even if the reasoning is the dumbest there is like what we've seen in this video.
It also reminds me of what my uncle used to tell me about the religionist and probability distribution. When something good happen, god allows it. When something bad happens, god allows it. So if you toss a coin and get either head or tail, it is still god, so no matter how you try to analyse events will religionist, they will always look for the dumbest and even most silly ideas just to justify their belief in god.

Agreed.

Jenwitemi: Slavery is also the work of Yahweh Satan.

Slavery is also the work of Yahweh Satan Yaweh.


Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves."

Romans 13:1-5
" 1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.
4 For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience."

Titus 3:1,
"Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good."

Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"

1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Col 3:22
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."

1 Cor 7:21-22
"21 Were you a slave when you were called? Don't let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so.
22 For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord's freedman; similarly, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ's slave."

Eph 6:5
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

buzugee: you aint posed to eat all fish either. you should only eat fish with fins and scales. catfish should not be eaten. catfish is the scavenger of the sea. and snails and shrimps are scavengers too. these are all in the dietary laws in the book of leviticus. you should only eat hoofed animals that chew the cud, fishes with scales.

Upon all your dietary laws, I am still healthier than you,old man

musKeeto: the guy vex wella o.. thank God nl's anonymous... atheists for don get their first suicide bomber, bombing in the name of 'LOGIC'

This is painful to watch. My fellow comrade in logic has been exposed. Logic Mind, you have got some explaining to do!

buzugee: thats nasty. you aint posed to be eating pigs. those are the garbage cans of the earth. they are scavengers. the lord put them on the earth as the living garbage cans of the earth. you just ate a scavenger.

Only if you knew the rubbish that fish eat

buzugee: Good knowledge. very well informed knowledge. Alagba logicboy you chop any cornflakes remain for me ?

I ate pork today

Jenwitemi: Christianity is not local to ALL cultures, dude. Where did you get that one from? Hindu culture does not give a hoot about christianity. They have their own religion.

That is why Isaid "warped answer"

buzugee: this man is dropping mad knowledge

Oga Buzugee, are you saying; mad knowledge or madness?