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God2man: Mr. Logicboy, why are you contradicting yourself? Middle east/ North Africa. Where is North Africa?
Why are you mentioning God? You have already named yourself as an outsider.
How can you be so sure that God neglected west Africa? Do you have any evidence to support that? Even though you have evidence. Nobody can claim any monopoly on Christianity, European, Asian, African, cannot monopolize chrtistianity, it is Biblically wrong. The truth is that the Grace of God has appeared to ALL MEN. See, Isaiah 45:22" Look unto me, and be ye saves, all the ends of the earth: for i am God, and there is none else"
Again, Acts 2: 5-10 " And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every NATION under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrgia, and Pamphylia, in EGYPT, and IN THE PARTS OF LIBYA ABOUT CYRENE, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God."
Similarly, Acts 5:39 " For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord God shall call."
So Mr. Logic boy, you can see that the myth that Christianity is an European Affair is Historically inaccurate.
We must however appreciate the white missionaries for risking their lives to bring the Gospel to Africa, but we must debunk the myth that the white missionaries are the first people to bring the Gospel to Africa. Do your research very well, you will discover that Christianity was thriving in Africa long before it reached the British isles and North America, from where so many of the protestant missionaries came.
Where is Bethelem? Asia or Africa?
Besides, i did not mention that Jesus was born in Africa. No. Matt 2:15 " And was there until death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have i called my son."
It is not scriptural to say that christianity is a foreign culture, there is only one God, he is the God of the Asian, African, European, and all the nations of the earth. God does not belong to a particular set of people.
Mr. Logic boy the Lord will give you a revelation that will change your life forever. Amen.
God bless you. God2man.

Nonsense again.

Christianity is foriegn to Nigeria and West Africa.

Enigma: When one reads something like this (or himself/herself have a comparable experience of one's own), all this big big grammar like "exegesis", "hermeneutics" etc etc take secondary place.

Sharaap.

Why do you succumb to magical explanations as if ex-christian atheists did not have dreams or sad times?

brainpulse: I believed I wasn't just created to live this life the way several people had lived, some their impact felt and some just went like that. There must be a definite purpose to my life that I have not yet discovered, or maybe it's only me, well I just knew there is a purpose to this life and for me to know I must find the "thing" that started life.
I had forgotten this thought until one night, it was heavy on me I was disturbed in my heart and began to shed tears in the sincerity of my heart.
Something happened that day that changed the course of my belief. My mother came to my place the next morning before going to work, she said she had a dream that I was in a thick darkness, looking for my way and I was beating about in the darkness, and when I couldn’t find my way out, I became tired and was giving up. She said she saw a man with a candle coming to help me out of the dark, the man was calling my name, but I couldn’t hear him. She said she woke up from the dream she began to pray, and she said God told her to come and pray for me. I shivered I couldn't believed it because nobody in this world knew what I went through the night. I am telling you Nairaland nobody, I repeat nobody knew it. How could God knew what I went through despite my unbelief in his existence. I broke down I sobbed like a child, my mother was crying with me though she didn’t understand why I was crying. From that day I believed in him, and I am very happy I did. I am telling you, to me then what happened was just like a, i cant just explain it.

Rubbish. Cognitive bias.


We all want explanation for things and since you believe in the magical stories of the bible, you accept magical explanation for your experiences.

Lets be honest to ourselves.

brainpulse: I spent all night thinking about you logicboy, about some one that had made up his mind and hardened is heart against his creator that knew him even before his mother conceived him. I wouldn't feel surprised because many of us had passed that stage and experience in life. I came to a point in my life where I will argue and stubbornly refute anything about God, creation, process, life, evolution etc. because i was a strong believer in COINCIDENCE. That life is not real and everything happens out of coincidence and things just happened not that they were planned but it just happened out of no where and the trend will continue and in a circle. I was living Good and happy at my life, i was careful about people i moved with, how i talked, what i eat so that i wouldn't be trapped in the circle of coincidence of the negative sphere. But all this never filled the vacuum inside me. I believe there was more to life than what no man can imagine or explain...my principle of life and coincidence can not and couldn't explain.
I will continue with my real life experience. I don't want to post a long line, am telling you every words I put down are real.

God doesnt exist. Even yo can not describe God. The vacuum that you claimed to have is fear of the uncertain because there is no God.

tbaba1234: ^ Lost what argument??

I don't use bad words but you must be fairly dense to even mention that..... Even after the context and commentary of the oldest scholars were given to you and the qualification of the words provided.

Please do not bring me to your discussions, it is clear that you can't understand simple English or simply refuse to...

Sorry, Tbaba for roping you in.

However, I disagree; there is no conext in which hitting yor wife is good.

musKeeto: lol, 'israel is in europe'.. good debater.. i totally agree..

You are still bitter from that argument? Isreal is politically in Europe.

Your bitterness is testament to my debating skills. I left your ego bruised

vedaxcool: allah has followers, followers can decide to charge you for defamation of faith . . . i am beginning to see what david meant . . . Whatever statement you make can also be said likewise and how does one denying the holocaust occurred actually defame the dead? as Holocaust denial is usually to fault the numbers that actually died as some people bring up detailed analysis on the numbers that died and conclude the holocaust did not occur as the authorities claimed it did . .

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1) Allah is not a dead person. You lied that dead people dont have rights. I corrected you, in telling you that dead people have rights. Or are you agreeing that your God is dead?

2)Dead people's families get the royalties left bby the dead people. Who is Allah's family? Who is Allah's broher, wife or sister or children? I know that you would want to weasel out and claim the all humans are Allah's creation/children- but then, everyone has a claim.

vedaxcool: . .
Ah yes you got me there only if we were to live in fools world we such statement be true AS MY QUESTION FOLLOWED ( WATCH THE BOLDED)

It seems you are so desperate to whine sorry win that you now overlook rebuttals, let me restate the question least in your bigotry you would pretend not to see what I wrote, the QUESTIONS IS HOW DOES HOLOCAUST DENIAL CONSTITUTE HATE SPEECH? The point I was making is clear, you claimed denying the holocaust is hate speech the n I said likewise denying Allah and making insultive remarks about his can be seen as hate speech towards muslims. In anycase just answer the simple question, how does denying the holocaust be interpreted as hate speech? remember dear bigot one, that Europeans errected laws to find freedom of speech by saying non can even question the holocaust talkless of denying it, their example remains clear since you atheist being zombie followers of the west and always ready to defend them even if they chew poo, if they MAKE LAWS TO LIMIT THE RIGHT TO EXPRESSION THEN NOTHING CAN BE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE TRUTH THAT MUSLIMS ARE VERY FREE TO LIMIT STUPID COMMENTS ABOUT GOD THUS THE BLASPHEMY LAWS.

1) Holocaust denial is hate speech against Jews. To deny holocaust is racist. It is no different from saying that blacks from West Africa did not suffer slavery. Racist speech = hate speech. Simple. Most examples of hate speech are racist.

2) Blasphemy laws are foolish. f you have blasphemy laws, then you have to arrest all christians in your muslim society because christianity says that Jesus is God. That is an insult to the Koran.

3) You have a right to free speech and the responsibility to use it wisely. Laws are made for human beings- human rights do not relate to spiritual beings.

vedaxcool: this is commonsense i asked did you do a survey about polygamous marriages to come with that non are peaceful? making simple deduction is hardly a SENSIBLE AND RATIONAL WAY of mestablishing facts as what you say bothers on assumption. I state that I know polygamous marriages that are very peaceful and put a shame to hypocritical liars like yourself who sit in one corner of their room and make simple deductions that no polygamous marriage is peaceful! It is very clear that all the monogamous marriages you ever know seemed to been of couples who were waiting on each other to die first or plannig to strangle their spouse . . .

1) I can ask you the same stupid question; have you done a survey to show that polygamous marriages are peaceful?
2) As usual, you can not see simple logic. First, all couples have problems. A polygamous marriage is a couple with extra person(s), therefore a polygamous marriage has more problems
3) Even the Koran says that a man should be able to love his wives equally if he choose to marry more than one. Unfortunately, it is impossible to love 2 or more women equally. Can you satisfy two women in the bedroom at the same timefor the rest of your life? Every woamn has her own fantasies and sexual needs. What happens if their menstrual cycles are in sync? If the women cook for the man, the man can only eat one meal at a time and a kitchen/dish can have only one cook. Who gets to cook? O does one woman accept the role of the slave and accepts that she has certain time that she is allowed to cook for her husband in her own house?

vedaxcool: Let me leave you to blab about your imaginary muslim girlfriend who apparently you fantasize over, but the dumbest statement you have ever made is to claim someone who doubts the words of Allah is a real muslim than some one who doesn't, you must be extremely dumb as a person as even a fool would know that no real muslim call the book of their Lord wrong. and since you always run behind this imaginary muslim girlfriend of yours when you are being battered and exposed as not too bright I will restate that the issue raised was about polygamy which I said there are lots of muslims women who accept polygamy as being a commandment of our Lord and hence are able to accept being in such a relationship.

1) There are muslims that drink. Majority of muslim politicians' children in Nigeria love alcohol and partying. Some even love cocaine. You see, I live with rich muslims and so I learn a lot. You say that my girlfriend is not a muslim, what do you have to say of your so called leaders and their children? Does the Koran allow them to drink or take cocaine?

2) There are millions of muslims that engage in pre-marital sex in the West where I live. Even in Nigeria as well, it happens. Yet, they still go to mosque and say their prayers. So who are you to call my girlfriend a fake muslim?

3) You yourself, does the Koran support you in insulting people? Calling me an Olodo, calling me dumb? Calling me a fool? Yet, you have the nerve to say that someone is not a muslim. Hypocrite.

4) There are lots of muslim women in the UK and the USA that reject polygamy with all their heart. You cant even practice polygamy in the West. If the muslim women reject polygamy that is in the Koran, are they not like my girlfriend? Even in Iran they dont like polygamy http://www.commongroundnews.org/article.php?id=27421&lan=en&sp=0

5) It is sad that you give more marital rights to non-muslim women than your own muslim women. My sister can get married to anyone but your muslims sisters can not get married to anyone. Sad.

vedaxcool: This issue has been trashed over and over again on NL, the simple answer is that Islam recognizes the rights of non muslim women married to men that is Islam permits say Christians married to muslim men to practice their faith, but on the other hand the rights of muslim woman is not protected by the bible hence her husband can simply restrict her rights to practice her religion irrespective of what you would personally do, Islam restriction of marriage of muslim woman to non muslim men is based on simple common sense. Again the issue of what religion will the children practice remains a confouding one, Islam recognises the man to be head of the family and most cultures\religions do likewise hence would a true muslim woman be willing to leave her child success in the hereafter in the hands of her non muslim husband? No hence because the woman cannot determine what religion her children will follow so follows the ruling that muslim women are specifically reserved for muslim men. I hope this finally put rest your constant whining over this same issue from thread to thread. Is it equality you can say yes or no but we can say this ruling on the issue are imposed mainly by external constraints rather than your flawed logic that Islam seeks to oppress women etc

1)Even Iranian women rally against your polygamy. http://www.commongroundnews.org/article.php?id=27421&lan=en&sp=0
2)A true muslim woman knows that a good husband is one that will care for her and her children. There are muslim husbands that dont care about their wives and neglect them, are you saying that those muslim men will be better than me just because they are muslim?
3)Children dont go to hell because of their parents. If there is a God, he will judge people by their actions and not the parents' religion

vedaxcool: I only wonder what sensible muslims woman save your imaginary one would decide to marry a man that calls what she holds sacred names . . . common sense they say is the first causality when conversing with nl atheists

1) I dont insult Allah to my girlfriends face but she knows that I dont believe in her religion just like majority of the people in the world.

vedaxcool: olodo! So the imbecil in u assume there are no educated muslim women in polygamous marriages? this atheist fool of a bigot has again sat in one cockroach infested corner of his room and made simple deduction that even drug addicts would never fathom talk-less of sane individuals, the derelict imbecil assumes polygamy is a competition like what him and his many girlfriends do time to time? the reclusive imbecil who assumes women are intimacy gadgets should know sitting in one corner and make lame statements is hardly taken seriously anywhere. I think your ignorance is to blame for your myopic use of words and deliberate show of dumbness. Many educated musli women are in polygamous relationship! Again do learn to read more often

1) You are twisting my words again. I said that "polygamy excels where there are a lot of uneducated women". I never said that educated women are never in polygamy.

2)The most illiterate countries are very ploygamous- Mali, Niger, Somalia, Chad etc are all very polygamous while the most literate are not; Georgia, Cuba Estonia, Lithuania etc.

vedaxcool: 1) The sex ratio for the entire world population is 101 males to 100 females.[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio
maybe you should have a close look at your source, the graph seemed to contradict their conclusion, in any case China remains a special case there is a deliberate killing of females unborn and you shoulf have read:
Gender imbalance is a disparity between male and females in a population. As stated above, males usually exceed females at birth but subsequently experience different mortality rates due to many possible causes such as differential natural death rates, war casualties, and deliberate gender control.

According to Nicholas Kristof and Sheryl WuDunn, two Pulitzer Prize-winning reporters for the New York Times, violence against women is causing gender imbalances in many developing countries.[43] These authors report that more girls have been killed in the last 50 years, just because they were girls, than the number of males who were killed in all the wars of the 20th century. They detail rampant gendercide in the developing world, particularly in China, India and Pakistan.[43]

Commonly, countries with gender imbalances have three characteristics in common. The first is a rapid decline in fertility, either because of preference for smaller families or to comply with their nation's population control measures. Second, there's pressure for women to give birth to sons, often because of cultural preferences for male heirs. Third, families have widespread access to technology to selectively abort female fetuses

1) I stated the global sex ratio (101 males to 100 females) and i backed up my claim. I dont know why you are bringing up strawmen with China and Inidia.
"The sex ratio for the entire world population is 101 males to 100 females.[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio"



So, do you accept thatyou and your religion are wrong?

BTW, Tbaba lost the argument that the koran allows men to beat ther wives. Majority of the respected translations in English say "beat/strike".

jcross19: are u telling me that there is no God or what?,well can u arrange lets meet face 2 face i will but do u blieve in cham?100% proof.adam and eve story but not perfect.

There is no God but that's a different thread

achi4u: @logicboy i knew u dont meant all those thing you talkt about God or jesus or mmuhammad.i read u the way i watch nigeria movies... just for the fun of it
now did you still agree that GOD exsist?

NB:too much of everything is nt good.

God doesnt exist

jmoore: when you really need it, it will come

You're a fake

jmoore: I thought you have read the whole bible judging from your numerous bible quotes. There is nothing new, keep laughing...........

but...but....anyone can quote the bible.....even muslims here quote the bible.....no salvation for me?

jmoore: do you really need an advice? cos your mind is already made up

No salvation for me?

Joagbaje: God could have made lucifer or Satan obey him. But he would only have been a robot. Is that what you call perfect?

Your logic is flawed. You are saying that God put evil in lucifer so that lucifer wouldnt be a robot and would be able to rebel against him?

Or are you admitting that you're an obedient robot of your God by obeying him and preaching your religious crap here on Nairaland?

jmoore: which good debater?

who gave you a pass mark? Always running from a post or comment that your brain can't comprehend and that's why you always derail threads.

lol....so what's your advice?

Ptolomeus: Hola querido amigo Logicboy
Fans already answered that is the devil!
No, dear friend, do not worry ... his is normal.
When a normal person, someone with common sense read in the forum that someone cheated on his wife's temptation of the devil, or that someone pays tithing and leave your children without food, etc.. etc. I insist, a normal person can not ignore that.
Perhaps you need to unwind, ironically ...
Do not forget that such people have a very low intellect.
Although you may strive to explain, they will not understand.
Te mando un afectuoso saludo desde este otro lado del Atlántico!

Thanks.

This thread is just a joke. It's not serious- I wrote it just to laugh!

st.okolie:
not funny,could be obsesive compulsive disorder OCD,
as for you priding yourself as having been able to put doubt in the mind of those who believe in God. i can only say "what a pity".in ur so called wisdom dont let the devil take gratification for what he has accomplish through you.
you might not admit it but you do need help,be it OCD or spirtually,you really need help and fast.

Sarcasm is lost on many religious people

Goshen360:

Any advice?

La_Divalicious: My King was born King. The Bible says He's a Seven Way King. He's the King of the Jews - that's an Ethnic King. He's the King of Israel - that's a National King.

Your King is also a racist/xenophobe. A king of racism

If Jews are his chosen people, then he is a racist. If an omnipotent God creates every man equal, then he should have no chosen people.

My addiction started some weeks back after I joined Nairaland.

No, it is not cocaine or weed or sex etc.

My addiction is that I am addicted to derailing religious threads on Nairaland's religion section. I'm an atheist and I can not control myself on Nairaland when I see threads with the theme of "God is perfect", "the bible is real", "the Koran is real" "Jesus will save you" etc, I just have to jump in and derail the thread with my arguments that God doesnt exist or christianity supported slavery. I just can't leave threads about God/Jesus alone, I must derail.

The worst thing is that I'm a good debater and I end up either winning the argument or derailing the thread. . I also seem to have converted or at least installed disbelief in some religious people on Nairaland. My intellectual punishment is merciless to the religious posters.

What is wrong with me?

-Is it the devil?
-Do I need prayers?
-Do I need Oyedepo's slaps?

Ptolomeus: Hola querido amigo:
If there really exist a god and the god of all, has no a country.
If instead there is a god that is exclusive to the Jews, then it is the god of the South American, nor African.

Agreed.

Originakalokalo: Your mum sells palm oil and yor dad sells cooking gas,and when people ask,you say they are into oil and gas.God is watchin you.you are 35,but becos of dat job,u say u are 25,God is watchin u.u ate bread and groundnut last night,but u told dat girl you ate chicken and chips,God is watchin you.i cant write all,pls evrybody shuld add his own idea.make sure it ends with "God is watchin you"

You are having sweet pre-marital sex, God is watching you like a masturbating peeping-tom

You are smoking weed, God is watching you and inhaling the smoke and getting high

davidylan: You'd be surprised. Most of the push back on transitional life forms have come from scientists themselves.

"The vast majority of the scientific community and academia supports evolutionary theory as the only explanation that can fully account for observations in the fields of biology, paleontology, molecular biology, genetics, anthropology, and others.[22][23][24][25][26] One 1987 estimate found that "700 scientists ... (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) ... give credence to creation-science".[27] An expert in the evolution-creationism controversy, professor and author Brian Alters, states that "99.9 percent of scientists accept evolution".[28] A 1991 Gallup poll of Americans found that about 5% of scientists (including those with training outside biology) identified themselves as creationists"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution


Give up, creationism is a lie. Your fellow scientists support evolution.

davidylan: Dumb id[i]i[/i]ot. You definitely didnt mention Lucy but it is the most widely referenced "alleged" member of the Australopithecus group (you know your own list number 3).

Why are you resulting to insults? Are you mad that I exposed your strawman? Lucy is only one of the members of the //australopithecus group. Why you would ignore the rest and then falsely claim that lucy is a hoax is beyond me.


You need anger management issues, mr Strawman lover

buzugee: Epic set of gnashers. colgate maybe ?

Close-up. I do it naija style!

OLAADEGBU: Your RCC teach and believe it.

I didnt know that.

buzugee: neanderthals have no soul. just because they have shave all their hairs and are walking around in suits and tie on wall street and whatnot dont mean they suddenly grew a soul neither

Epic comment sir!

davidylan: Another problem with the idiocy of the evolutionary story is that there are established fossil records for fully formed organisms existing at a time humans were still assumed to be evolving from apes?

Please explain further this failed attempt to discredit evolution.

If you're a scientist like you say you are, are your fellow scientist disagreeing with evolution?

OLAADEGBU: Yes. Cain beat you to that question.

Lmao. You believe that? Eve came from Adams ribs? You do know that that is incest because Eve would be a clone of Adam?

davidylan: Perhaps you are not aware but estimating body mass index from bones does not make Lucy a transitional fossil to humans. You can use the same method to estimate BMIs for cows too.

Oh dear, this guy is quite stup[i]i[/i]d

Are you unable to find Science, Nature or Cell papers that confirm the legitimacy of Lucy as a human transitional life form? Why the recourse to obscure journals saying nothing?

What? I thought you said that lucy was a hoax? So it is now a fossil? I could care less about if lucy was a transitional human life form as [b]I was not the one who brought it up as an example of one. You were the one that borught up Lucy as a strawman [/b]to my examples of human transitional life forms.

[13 mya] Pierolapithecus catalaunicus
[4.4 mya] Ardipithecus
[3.7 mya] Australopithecus
[1.9 mya] Homo rudolfensis
[1.9 to 1.6 mya] Homo habilis
[1.7 to .25 mya] Homo erectus

Did mention lucy in the examples?

OLAADEGBU: Its good to know who your true ancestors are.

lol....the cartoons again. nothing of substance, eh?


You believe that women came from a man's rib

OLAADEGBU: Yes. There are theist evolutionists and those who believe God used evolution to create the universe which may be millions or billions of years. Some go as far as believing that the first book of the Bible is mythology and the last book of the Bible is a mystery that cannot be understood.

Do you think the theist evolutionists' beliefs are acceptable and should be preached in churches and schools? At least they learn evolution, in my opinion

davidylan: Lets get real here. Lucy IS a confirmed hoax. That you dont know speaks volumes of your lack of intelligence. I wont bother getting drawn into another senseless circular argument with you again.

Good. So i dont have to argue with your lying. Keep repeating the creationist lie that lucy is a hoax and maybe it will become true for you.

This is the national geographic website on lucy;
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/09/060920-lucy.html


Here is a scientific journal about lucy;
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/oa.1390050302/abstract

I am happy that everyone can see you for the liar that you are. Lucy is not a hoax