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tbaba1234: 1. These actions are qualified so that is a simplistic way of put it.

2 I am a young person too... Do not give me old age yet.

3. soon.

See, Islam is much much bigger than me. There is nothing i can say that can discredit it...

Are you not married?


As for the Adam and Eve story, I eagerly await

davidylan: that's true but if you werent so stup[i]i[/i]d you would see the glaring difference here right? It is not the varying nature of the population sizes at play here BUT the sample size itself.

I asked the question - how many gay marriages exist in the world today? Can you compare divorce rates among perhaps 5000 gay couples to divorce rates among over 1bn heterosexual couples?

By comparing the marriages in the same state or city? Are you that dense?

davidylan: As usual, completely unintelligent answer. Just type in the name of your favorite fraud on google scholar then post search results here. Do you understand even one of the links you posted here? I guess not.
For example, this is the title of one of the prominently displayed papers on the search results - Orang-utan feeding behaviour in Sabangau, Central Kalimantan

I may be slow but what has the orangutan feeding pattern in India got to do with transitional fossils?

Why are you so deceitful. Many of the articles in the search are about the fossils. Anyone can see that you're an idiot that is expecting me to open and explain the scientific journals while you keep criticising in ignorance

davidylan: As usual, completely unintelligent answer. Just type in the name of your favorite fraud on google scholar then post search results here. Do you understand even one of the links you posted here? I guess not.
For example, this is the title of one of the prominently displayed papers on the search results - Orang-utan feeding behaviour in Sabangau, Central Kalimantan

I may be slow but what has the orangutan feeding pattern in India got to do with transitional fossils?

Orangutang = ape

Transitional fossils of ape ancestors

davidylan: But you believe a protist can do so in a few billion yrs all on the back of incredibly slow and often deleterious mutational changes? See why i always say atheist itself is a "faith".

How is that impossible? Can you even imagine how long a billion years is?

davidylan: I wonder why logicboy has avoided tackling the issue of Lucy and piltdown man, both of whom where once touted as the missing link in man's evolutionary tree? Rather he posts 19 pages worth of search results 99.9% of which have zero relevance to the issue at hand?

I laugh in greek. The name "logicboy" is an irony. You have no ability to reason at all.

Why should I tackle a strawman? If there is a fake christian gospel (Gospel of judas) does it make the gospel of mark fake?

davidylan: See how stewpid the atheist is - but a single protist can?

So, 2 people can populate the world in 6000 years to 7 billion people?

tbaba1234: For a woman, she can seek peaceful reconciliation or a peaceful separation

"And if a woman fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no sin on them both if they make terms of peace between themselves; and making peace is better. And human inner-selves are swayed by greed. But if you do good and keep away from evil, verily, Allah is Ever Well-Acquainted with what you do. "(4:128)

So, the woman is not allowed to hit the husband lightly

tbaba1234: 1. You need to look at the commentary of the author and it will be cleared up. I will also show you the opinions of ancient scholars.

As to those women on whose part you see ill¬conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allâh is Ever Most High, Most Great - English (Dr moshin)

Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their, beds (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance): for Allah is Most High, Great (above you all). (yusuf Ali)

So, the righteous women are obedient, (and) guard (the property and honor of their husbands) in (their) absence with the protection given by Allah. As for women of whom you fear rebellion, convince them, and leave them apart in beds, and beat them. 19 Then, if they obey you, do not seek a way against them. Surely, Allah is the Highest, the Greatest. Translation by mufti taqi usman ( he gave a commentary that explained what "beat" is)

Tafsirs (commentary) of the QURAN BY ANCIENT SCHOLARS from the time of the prophet

Ibn abbass (a companion of prophet Mohammed)

As for those from whom ye fear) know (rebellion) their disobedience to you in bed, (admonish them) by means of sacred knowledge and the Qur'an (and banish them to beds apart) turn your faces away from them in bed, (and scourge them) in a mild, unexaggerated manner. (Then if they obey you) in bed, (seek not a way against them) as regards love.

Ibn Jalalyn ( Year: 1459)

admonish them, make them fear God, and share not beds with them, retire to other beds if they manifest such disobedience, and strike them, but not violently, if they refuse to desist [from their rebellion] after leaving them [in separate beds].

Ibn `Abbas and several others said that the Ayah refers to a beating that is not violent. Al-Hasan Al-Basri said that it means, a beating that is not severe.

A light hit.

That is five form the translation and commentary...

Note: picktal (another popular translation) uses the word "scourge" but commentaries explain what that means.


2.you and this your GF sef....

3.The Adam and Eve story in the Quran is different in many ways: I do believe it wholeheartedly because the muslim version makes a lot more sense. I will start a thread on that soon. Trust me if you know a little about the Quran, you will be swept off your feet or at the very least appreciative of its literary prowess. I am still at an elementary stage and by Allah, i have been amazed time and time again. The only conclusion for me is a divine origin.

1) Therefore, I am right. The translations are; beat, scourge, hit or strike. End of story.

2) You have forgotten young love, old man.

3)That may be true, sometimes the Koran makes more sense than the bible. It would be helpful if you can give a short summary of Adam and Eve in the Koran

davidylan: Oh dear, this guy just posts like a petulant 2 yr old.
The fact that tiktaalik has been exposed as a fraud is enough reason to scientifically question the veracity of these spurious claims you have on video. As a scientist you shld know that a youtube video does not a fact make. Please post the scientific papers justifying your claims.

Just 2 examples of former human "transitional" fossils that have been exposed to be frauds - Lucy, piltdown man e.t.c.

Pls read before exposing yourself for a fool.

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=%5B13+mya%5D+Pierolapithecus+catalaunicus+&hl=en&btnG=Search&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=on

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=+%5B4.4+mya%5D+Ardipithecus+&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=%5B3.7+mya%5D+Australopithecus&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=%5B1.9+mya%5D+Homo+rudolfensis+&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=%5B1.9+to+1.6+mya%5D+Homo+habilis&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=%5B1.7+to+.25+mya%5D+Homo+erectus+&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=&as_vis=0


These are scientific journals for all the human transitional fossils mentioned in the video

Fossils Displayed (dates are approximate):
[13 mya] Pierolapithecus catalaunicus
[4.4 mya] Ardipithecus
[3.7 mya] Australopithecus
[1.9 mya] Homo rudolfensis
[1.9 to 1.6 mya] Homo habilis
[1.7 to .25 mya] Homo erectus


Please feel free to try and debunk them

davidylan: Quite daft. How many gay marriages are we talking about here? If you went to school at all you should have learnt a bit of statistics and the serious problems with making comparisons/conclusions on the basis of minute sample sizes.

Yes, you a right that the sample sizes are different but if you were not so partisan, you would understand that there are percentages and different ways to accomodate different sample size. Dont people compare illiteracy rates and income statistics accross nations of varying population sizes?


Davidylan, please try harder, you're failing too much

LagosShia: LOL

the funniest illogic i have ever read on nairaland is this:

b) "Saying Allah/the Koran is evil does not equate to muslims are evil. Allah/the Koran both have good and evil parts. The fact that there are good muslims only shows that they choose the good part of Allah and does not negate the fact that Allah/the Koran can be evil. Therefore, you can not say that such is hate speech"

if God/Quran is evil and muslims follow,then muslims too must be evil and vice versa.

The Koran/God has both good and evil sides. If I say that the Koran is evil, it doesnt make muslims evil as the Koran has a Good side.

If I say that the Koran is Arabic, does that make all muslims Arabic?

Dadvidyaln, there is nothing scientific about your creationism while evolution is one of the strongest scientific theories.

davidylan: Did you even read the wiki link you posted? It lists tiktaalik PROMINENTLY as an example of a transitional fossil. Perhaps you shld read your own links first no?

Have you read the thread i posted? At least the dudes there had more science knowledge than you.

Am I discussing fish fossils or human transitional fossils?

Please, stay on point. Your trolling/graspin of straws is futile

davidylan: https://www.nairaland.com/252741/creationism-evolution-post-peer-review-articles

Nice thread logicboy shld have searched for before spamming this section with useless threads.

Sorry, I do my own threads, like a bo$$!

If you have something to say on this thread, say it!

davidylan: the minute i saw tiktaalik on the wiki list i knew logicboy had no idea what he is talking about. That "fossil" has long been debunked as a "transitional" fossil. But of course i dont expect the ignorant to understand. they just copy/paste links without reading them.

Does tiktaalik have any relation to the human transitional fossils we are talking about? Are you going mad?


Does it make the transitional fossils in this video fake? Are you just trolling?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M96bkdohMZE

LagosShia: you are begging the question and trying to avoid the point.

talking about our "common ancestor",have they extinct? we should see more of these beings evolving and the split should be ongoing.we need more of that.it should not cease to happen,right?

now,doubting the existence of a Creator is easy.but believe me you coming here to tell us your ancestor was an ape and defending evolution is way harder (if not impossible) than believing in God.when you try to defend evolution,you only sound funnier than "your own ancestor",an ape!

Evolution is a well grounded theory tha ha evidence.

There is evidence that humans evolved- fossils

There is evidence that humans are evolving- smaller jaws, bigger bodies, resistance to diseases etc



Keep defedning the failed story of Adam and Eve

LagosShia: the verse says that men are maintainers of women because of what Allah has given one over the other.islamically,it is the duty of the man to maintain trhe family through providing sustenance.the woman has no responsibility to work or provide feeding or clothing or shelter.there is no where based on that that the verse says men are "superior" as you want to make it sound.

now let me go a step further and accept for argument's sake that men are allowed to literally strike or beat their wives only on one condition and after two other steps presented as measures to be taken fail and ofcourse if the man still has interest in living with that woman after he misconduct.the verse clearly puts a condition that the man can strike the wife if she is doing an indescent act of shame or misconduct.and even if she is,he can only raise his hand to beat her after two measures are taken without effect.the man must first warn her verbally and then he separates bed with her avoiding intimacy.yet still in this situation,the verse is proposing settlement and reconciliation rather than divorce,an option not given.the verse still sees the hope of salvaging the marriage and bringing the strayed party to sense.the verse doesn't suggest the man kicking the woman out of his house and separating her from her children.the verse suggests three calculated steps that should be taken.now you as a non-muslim man,what would you do if you find your wife with another man in a compromising situation? are you going to first tell her:"honey,please stop this thing you are doing.i dont like it".then you find her in that situation again and come home to separate rooms with her and avoid intimacy.and lastly you find her in the same situation for the third time and you finally give her a hot slap.are those the steps you as a non-muslim man would take? what would you do? would you take those steps given in the Quran or would you beat the hell out of her and send her to her father's house disgracing her? which proposition is more merciful to the woman,in giving her chances to warn her and saving her image and marriage by not divorcing her or directly dealing with her severely and absolving the marriage? or would you just be talking and talking while she refuses to heed your warning? will you accept living with her? how many non-muslim men have battered their wives?were they following Islam?i dont think so!!! if the man afterall does not want to continue living with her,or if she no longer wants to fulfill her own part in the marriage as a contract between two people,then there is easily the option of divorce.ofcourse,if i am to repeat yet again,the verse is suggesting ways for positive change to reconcile two people than proposing separation as a direct order.

Your brainwashing is very strong. However, what are the actions in islam for a woman to deal with a misbehaving husband?


Btw are you a man or a woman?

tbaba1234: Destroyed what argument

1. first of all, Faithfreedom is hardly a site for authentic islamic information.
Even translations that use "beat" as the translation of daraba always put "lightly" in the parenthesis to show the correct application of the word, you can NOT cause physical harm to your wife. Ofcourse, you fail to acknowledge that. You also fail to acknowledge that the Quran does not promote a reactionary response to the actions of the wife but details steps that must be taken before touching your wife and when it does, It only allows a light response.

The point is straightforward, you will not find any ancient muslim scholar that promotes spousal abuse. Ibn kathir, Ibn abbass It is not a modernist idea that muslim should not hurt their wives. So whether it is translated as a light "hit" or a gentle "tap". It does not mean start throwing punches at your wife.


2.) Again you look at one angle... As a man i can argue that the fact that all the financial responsibilty of the household rests on me is unfair. Remember what ever a muslim woman earns belongs to her alone and she can spend it on her parents, herself, her friends whatever... She is not compelled to contribute a dime to the house.

Not only do i have to take care of my home, i am responsible for my mother and sisters that are unmarried if there is no other man.

A muslim woman does not pray in her menses but gets the reward of one who does>>> That must be unfair tooo....

The fact is simple, a non-muslim man does not guarantee the rights of a muslim woman.

A muslim man has the religious obligation to fulfill those rights.

3.The existence of the Quran in Arabic is actually the proof of its divine origins... Understanding the deep meaning and miracles of the Quran is essential. Translations are shallow at best. So even if i read the translation, i have the arabic reference to show what it really means in the language of the prophet it was revealed to.

On the other hand, old testament manuscripts are in Hebrew, Moses did not speak hebrew

New testament in greek, Jesus spoke aramaic::

A lot of essence is lost in the translation of these books and a lot of interpolation have taken place as a result..

So the Quran in Arabic is one of its biggest strengths.

4.Every translator can only capture some part of the meaning of the word not its full meaning: That is why a reference to the original is vital.

Stop being a child... these your shallow points make you scream boom...

Islam has answers to all the questions and you do not have to like it....

1)Simple solution. Put forward the 5 best/most respected translations on the verse 4;34.

2)My points are not shallow. Hypocrisy exists in the Koran and muslim men. Explain why my Pakistani butcher will frown at me having a muslim girlfriend and be quoting Koran for her not to follow me but the guy will toast my christian sister to death.

3)The Koran is not divine. They borrowed the Adam and Eve story that is a lie. Even you dont believe the Adam an eve story

4) There are women that control family affairs. My mom does that even better than my dad when he travels out the country. Have you heard of matriarchs that control the family?

LagosShia: speciation is not the reason why we are not seeing (more of the same type that still exists which supported "evolution" acoording to you) monkeys turning into humans for example.

i can even make it simpler for you.bring me a money with the ability of speech.may be soon we'd see monkeys registering on nairaland and giving their testimonies on evolution.and who knows,"logicboy" could be one!!!

We have a common ancestor with monkeys but we are not monkeys. That is where you fail. Somewhere along the line our ancestors split with monkeys and more humanoid forms

Speciation is the explanation. You can keep ignoring the truth.


Evolution is a well grounded theory. It's not scientists' fault that your creationism fails

LagosShia: please stop trying to play here with words and impress your own self with words like "micro" and "macro".

the issue is you want me to believe that this existence and human existence to be precise came about as a result of evolution,when an ape evolved into a human being.but the problem is i am not seeing evolution taking place,or if it had occurred as you want us to believe,evolution still taking place.

if apes evolved to become humans,then we should be seeing more of those apes evolving into humans.this is a process that had already occurred and you use it to explain existence.but all of a sudden,the process is not happening as you speuculate it happened.today an ape is born an ape and dies an ape and give birth to apes.human are born humans,give birth to humans and die as humans.i dont see any cross-existence.

i want to see an ape evolving into a human,or a fish becoming a bird.is that difficult to ask for?common!

Speciation. We have already split into different species- there's a genetic drift. Monkeys will become more evolved monkeys while humans become more evolved humans. Humans will give birth to more evolved humans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation#Human_speciation


Evolution is still taking place as we know it. I have given you examples of humans getting bigger compared to medieval times- just look at the armors warriors used to wear, they are smaller. We no longer need out wisdom teeth.



Are you ignoring the human transitional fossils?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M96bkdohMZE


Evolution is one of the strongest scientific theories, This should not even be an argument if not for religious people and their deciet

ijawkid: @logic mind...please what's wrong with men or husbands superior to women?


Is that not nature my freind??

Been superior doesn't mean d men shuld beat d women but that they have greater authority than women do...

Logic Mind is an old man....I'm logicboy

ijawkid: @logic mind...please what's wrong with men or husbands superior to women?


Is that not nature my freind??

Been superior doesn't mean d men shuld beat d women but that they have greater authority than women do...

This is why Nigeria is a backwards country.

Female babies survive better than males. Is that not natural?

Women have more lower body strength and men have stronger upper body strength. Women are more flexible than men.


Tell me what is means to be naturally superior?



Women deserve equal rights

ijawkid: @logicmind...from ur assertion it means none of us will ever see anytin evolve it will take millions of years to evolve....

Now u see hw daft evolution is...

U now believe ur fellow humans who told u that crap...now where is d evidence?

Which of those evolutionist will ever live to see humans evolve or anyother living thing evolve?

There life spans are just 1 century highest and yet they talk about evolution...


Let them explain why instead of humans evolving we are degenerating,growing old and dieing......

Even ur evolutionist can't fathom it....

Let them keep waiting,they'l grow old,die and wake up to see a creator created everytin...

And that we are dying and getin old because adam and eve sinned...

Let ur scientists stop old age and death then I'll subscribe to atheism and d theory of evolution....

Macro and micro evolution. There are evidence of both in our present time in science. Just because you are ignorant of the evidence doesnt mean it is not there.


As for death. Death is part of the evolutionary process. Heard of natural selection and adaptation? Furthermore evolution does not have a long term goal

"A common misconception is that evolution has goals or long-term plans; realistically however, evolution has no long-term goal and does not necessarily produce greater complexity" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution


Adam and Eve is a myth. 2 people can not populate the world. Your God can not claim that incest is bad if Adma and Eve's children were inbreeding. There is never going to be evidence of a talking snake


Examine these human transitional fossils ;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M96bkdohMZE

LagosShia: ^^^^^^^

i really dont understand why people choose names that is the opposite of what they are!!!

Put your argument/evidence forward or remain a troll

LagosShia: LOL

You claim the process has already begun and the evidence is already available.the time needed as a factor according to you for explaining the presence of humans here on earth was already fulfilled.

so why has the process not continued but according to you "slowed down"? what "slowed" it down? why doesn't it continue? i can't see anything called evolution taking place even slowly.

please explain!!!

What Dont you know maths? Have you lived a million years?

I never said that the process has slowed down. Even humans are evolving. We are generally larger, our jaws are smaller and wisdom teeth not prominent etc

tbaba1234: You just wanted to start a new thread abi!!

All your points were addressed: you fail to quote a large portion of what i said.

Islam proposes equity between the sexes not equality because we hold the view that men and women are fundamentally different. Physically, emotionally and in many other ways.

However, they will be judged each one according to their actions and no one will be wrong.

You do not have to like the laws; We are not a liberal community.

We do not batter our women, it is prohibited to leave marks on the body of your wife or strike her on the face.

This is agreed upon by all muslims. You guys like to tell us what the Quran says without even understanding Arabic.

You must be a newscaster with these sensational headlines and incredibly shallow contents.

1) The ran clearly allows you to hit your wife. What difference does it make in an assault case if you hit her on the face or didnt leave a mark. Furthermore, most of the English translations put the translation of daba in the verse as "beat". It's only modern apologists that replace it with commentary and euphemisms to make it look good. http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/women-in-islam/wife-beating-in-islam/

2) You talk about equity between women and men. How is it fair that a woman has less marriage rights than men? Is that what you call equity? That my girlfriend can not get married to me just because she is a woman and I am not muslim? Is that fair in your eyes? Or are you blinded by faith? What is your Korans business with me and my mulsim girlfriend?

3)It's even good that I do not understand Arabic because it clearly alerts me of the failure of the Koran. I can read the bible in English, Yoruba or French without knowing Hebrew or Greek or Aramaic.

4) Even if do not understand Arabic, there are muslim scholars who have their translations and are well respected. If you are not happy with the way most of them translated it, you dont have to like it- like you said, Islam is conservative, you dont have to like it's laws.


Boom. Destroyed your arguent again. Am I too much.


BTW, yes, I wanted to be a newscaster

LagosShia: Mr. Logic,

can you tell us why for at least the last 2000 years,we have not seen a monkey or ape evolve into human,or a "lesser" animal evolving into something better,or at least humans evolving into something new?

if i can see that then,i will believe it happened "millions of years ago".

Macro-evolution is a slow process that can take thousands or millions of years to occur.

[quote author=musKeeto]nna na wa

tbaba1234: Lol!!

Not surprising.

Please witness the intellectual destruction of 3 creationists by yours truly, logicboy. I remain a humble servant of reason and logic and I shall defend their honour

The link for the thread is here;
https://www.nairaland.com/918219/right-thinking/2#10671932

bigd4050: The fact that you say animals and people have evolved, when there is no evidence of that or of fossils of animals in the in between stages. The fact that evolution tries to debunk God when it can't, and doesn't explain how the world started, which is crucial when you try to debunk religion.

logicboy: The bold part is a lie. There are transitional fossils. A transitional fossil is any fossilized remains of a life form that exhibits traits common to both an ancestral group and its derived descendant group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_fossil


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M96bkdohMZE

OLAADEGBU: Evolution cannot explain because it hasn't got the answers. The Bible has all the answers to the foundation questions and more.

logicboy: The bible has no answer or do you believe that two people populated the whole earth? How did Adam and Eve have grandchildren without incest? Do you believe in talking snakes?

bigd4050: If it has nothing to do with facts, then it has no place on this thread. Leave your stupid blogs in your bookmarks.

If the Bible is just a guess, so is evolution, and neither can disprove each other. So I guess we are stuck. At least the Bible gives answer to everything important, unlike evolution, which people claim holds all the answer even tho it doesn't answer very much at all. You can't prove God doesn't exist.

logicboy: My God! If you said this in public in the UK, you would be put on youtube as "another dumb christian"


Evolution is a guess? Evolution that has numerous evidence (fossils, bacterial resistance to antibiotics) supporting it? What does the bible have to support walking on water or Adam and Eve or talking snakes?


No scientist will claim that evolution answers all the questions about the origin of life. You are lying.

logicboy: Evolution shows that human beings were not created 6000 years ago as a consequence. Evolution does not have to explain creation, it just shows that man existed in other forms beyond 6000 years ago

Please write your condolences here for the credibility of creationists and their creationism

vedaxcool: Thank you for making it so easy, we cld Likewise hypocrite we could say denying Allah's existence or insulting Him is not only stupidity but also belittling to the muslims who are the majority in the country. We could further say denying Allah's existence is a sort of hate speech towards muslims as it cast aspersion on the intellect of the majority of the population and makes them look inferior! You can make all your yapping about victim these victim that as any buffoon could say the jews were evil and hence deserve what they got those that make any more sense to you? I doubt you even understand how democracy is supposed to work if not you would not be here making us place u in the mold of an unserious hypocrite who uses the anonymous nature of nl to make unreasonable pts, as in democracy the rights of the people to make laws that protect their identity is guaranteed and simply because the white insults God does not make it right and a universal right! Kappeesh?

Sorry but you fail.

a) Allah is not a human being and has no rights. Insulting him has no justification in modern law. Holocaust victims and families are human beings

b) Saying Allah/the Koran is evil does not equate to muslims are evil. Allah/the Koran both have good and evil parts. The fact that there are good muslims only shows that they choose the good part of Allah and does not negate the fact that Allah/the Koran can be evil. Therefore, you can not say that such is hate speech

On the other hand, holocaust denial equates to insulting Jews because Jews were killed and you're denying it. Furthermore, you are saying that the German government and Jews are lying about the holocaust if you're a holocaust denial. That is libel/slander against the people of Germany and it's government.

c) There exists a difference between criticism and hate speech. Criticizing Muhammed (PBUH) for engaging in slavery, polygamy and warfare is based on evidence in the Koran and hadith but under blasphemy laws, you will be punished.

vedaxcool: You hardly address what I wrote!



Did not address anything I wrote!

Why are you side stepping the issue of Islam and women? Are you ashamed that the Koran clearly tells men to beat their wives? Are you ashamed that your Koran is not only sexist but wrong to deny the rights of my mulsim girlfreind to get married to me?

vedaxcool: Classical begging the question, that some men are weaklings who cannot handle their home front cannot be used to judge other men who are efficient mangers if their home, hence we could easily answer your question by saying what of polygamous homes that are peaceful? Or is your equality principle always abandoned when the argument goes both ways? About less children you remain a. Big joke my point is how would any man in such a relationship know which child belongs to him? As long as you want to play around we will take u as such? The fact remains a woman reproductive organs is more suited for monogamous relations like I said cervical cancer in young woman has been linked to multiple partners for women. On a final note u atheists are twisted individuals to say the least, u guys support gay everything including marriage yet in their twisted logic nothing is wrong with homosexuality but something is definitely wrong with plural marriage. That is how the atheist logic is flawed and twisted? Indeed they wrong their own souls.

How am I begging the question? There is no polygamous home that is peaceful neither is there any monogamous home that is peaceful. Couples always have problems and adding an extra wife only multiplies the problem. I have never seen a peaceful polygamous home where the wives live in the same house. This is because, tow people can not fill the same role, one must always be redundant. A man can not sex with two women at the same time all through his married life, a man can not spend romantic time with two women at the same time (three is a crowd). A man must have a favourite which wil not be fair on the other wife.

Gay marriage has less divorce rates than other marriages. I can show you the statistics but I'll wait for you to doubt it first so that you can look foolish.
Why should a gay person not get married? How does it affect you? Are they having sex in your bedroom? Is it your business? It the same thing that annoys me with people that think like you. What is your business with me and my girlfriend's marriage? Are we having sex in your bedroom? Who are you and your Koran to say that we shouldnt get married because I am non- muslim amn and she is amuslim woman?