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Deep Sight: Could it be that the legend related in Genesis regarding the fall of man in Eden is not a reference to an event that occured in this world, but rather describes the departure of the spirit of mankind from the eternal spiritual realm into the world of matter?

This would tally with many things. A forbidden fruit would be the world of matter. Entering into it would bring about knowledge of good and evil, as presumably there is no evil in the realm from which the spirit came. Or there is just pure neutrality. Casting out man from the garden would be sending the spirit out of the spiritual realm into the world of matter. Wearing animal skins is a clear indicator of the physical bodies that man must wear to live in the physical world. Such bodies bear close resemblances to animal bodies. It is instructive that the fruit is given by the woman, since it is by women that we are born into the world of matter. On top of all that God promises that if man eats the fruit he shall die. It is certain that death is only known to man once he has entered the world of matter. Above all the reference to the Lord God strolling in the Garden and communing daily with man there on a one to one basis indicates that this was a spiritual realm where God's presence was.

Most instructively however, the TREE OF LIFE was said to reside in the garden. Crucially, it is said to be guarded by cherubs and a flaming sword after the fall of man. That says it all; it could not have been this earth. It was another realm. The ultimate realm.

Thank you for your input. I as an ex-catholic have not heard this type of interpretation before.

JeSoul: I'm glad you opened this thread...I was going to reply your comment on that other one. Personally, I believe in the story of Adam & Eve 100%. However, we must also understand that there are several interpretations of the story of creation in Genesis. I do believe humanity began with them and God created us all.
A very wise NLder named Justcool once said and I quote:


The theory of evolution has many flaws, inconsistencies, gaps and glaring issues that are yet to be explained, so perhaps the theory as is right now could/probably is wrong in some regards. However, it is the best explanation science has right now and I have no problem with that. In spite of the many issues, I don't think it should be dismissed as a total 'myth'. Where the wahala begins, is when proponents of evolution who have an anti-God agenda begin to hijack it and assert that the theory excludes the possibility of an intelligent designer.

Evolution merely attempts to address the 'process' of how we got here, it does not comment the existence of a God in the midst of that process. The bible is NOT a scientific book and religious folks who attempt to introduce it as evidence in scientific discussions are making a grave mistake. They're both addressing the subject from different perspectives. And when placed side by side, they are not necessarily incompatible with each other - though I admit it takes some subjective interpretations of both to see that.

^my own two kobo. Cheers.

Thank you for your input. I disagree but it is nice to understand others' perspectives

OLAADEGBU: The answer to your question is yes. Mr Adam and Mrs Eve and the creation story is a historical fact and not an allegory as the compromisers would have you believe.

Thanks for your answer.

These compromisers that you mention, are they christians with a different view of Adam and Eve?

Pastor AIO: I disagree. That is like saying land will always cause War, or Resources will always cause war.

You are one of those christian apologists, arent you? Defending your religion at any cost- even going as far as to deny christianity's evil actions.


1) Land and resources are physical- they are the reason but not the cause. The cause is greed for land/resources. Religion is not physical. Religion is also the cause of fighting. There are people who kill for God, who hate unbelievers and competing religions. They kill because of something they read in a book.

2)Christianity and Islam supported slavery. This is a fact. You can try to deny it but you will always be hit by this fact

OLAADEGBU: That is why it's called the awful truth which is a bitter pill to swallow for many.

Fail!

Truth is not contradictory

OLAADEGBU: Evolution theists and some gap theorists believe that the creation account and Adam and Eve specifically are myths and if so I wonder whether they also believe that our Lord Jesus Christ descended from a myth?

Iam not here to argue. Why do you believe in the Adam and Eve story? I am just asking questions on this thread

brainpulse: Why are you always creating treads that is anti-God? Why are you fighting with someone you don't believe in and exists. You have said it on numerous occasions that you don't believe in creation, then live it at that. Create treads that will add value to life since you always believe that is what atheist are known for(am yet to one of your tread). And droop your immature arguments

For the same reason you create your religious threads

musKeeto: You mean when all humankind is dead? Cos as long as there are humans, there'll be leaders.. Either by family relationship, age or societal status

King is not equal to leaders

OLAADEGBU: For starters the suggested link will debunk your Lucy lies you have been fed with.

http://www.icr.org/article/human-foot-bone-misidentified-lucys/

Creationist website, you fail!

Try again.

OLAADEGBU: What you need is the knowledge of the awful truth in the link below.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1071/1071_01.asp

3 stupid things about your link

1) It is anti-catholic (calling the catholic church the great LovePeddler in revelations) while quoting the bible that was compiled by catholic church

2) It puts Jews and Isreal and Gods chosen people

a)That is xenophobic/racist. How can someone be chosen by God just because he/she is a Jew?
b)There are African Jews in Ethopia and putting the flag of Isreal is stupid

3) God is not love/good if he created evil in the form of satan. Evil does not com from good

OLAADEGBU: The Big Lie.

You can keep spouting the lies of your creationist website. The fact remains that there are numerous fossils to prove evolution. Simple wikipedia check can help

Please you can try to debunk any of the fossils in the video that I put up. But you will fail

JeSoul: Logicboy,
quick question. Do you conceed that despite the fact its the 'closest' explanation science has, there are some real issues with the theory of evolution? I think that may be all that David is saying.

As a side point, there should probably be clear definition of what a 'creationist' is, because not all christians believe alike in the very basic interpretation of Genesis. I for one do not subscribe to the view of a 6000yr old earth, that's obviously not correct. Cheers.

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Thank you for your honest input.


While I agree with you, evolution is not meant to explain the origin of matter. Evolution is a well grounded theory explaining the biological changes in organisms. I am not a scientist but the evidence for evolution is a lot. To deny it is very foolish and arrogant. All it takes is a simple reading about the evolution process itself and the fossils that prove it. Evolution is even happening around us.


Creationists like Davidylan want to lie that there is no evidence for evolution and that creationism is scientific

You and your silly cartoons

OLAADEGBU: It is true that you were listening and praying to the air.

So you agree that God doesnt exist?

Jenwitemi: Every living thing on this planet(and any other planet for that matter) has a soul, buddy. And that has nothing to do with religion. That's just the way things work.

Souls dont exist. If they did, there would be dog heaven.

OLAADEGBU: And what difference does that make?

It means that I listened and prayed to the word of God for 22 years. It was 22 years of lies and praying to air

OLAADEGBU: Lucy is a hoax. Click on the suggested link and see how you have been lied to.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp

Lied to? Lucy is not a hoax, it is one of the australopithecus fossils. Even if it were, there are other australopithecus fossils eg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selam_(Australopithecus)

I said that lucy was a strawman to my argument because, I never mentioned lucy and it doesnt disprove all the real fossils i mentioned

OLAADEGBU: Are you listening?

I was a catholic for 22 years

OLAADEGBU: Guess the fish with legs?

What is with you and your childish pictures

igorekpen@gmail:
Are u from the planet earth or Jupiter?

Wow keep trolling...

https://izit.org/sites/izit.org/files/u4/129156.jpeg

OLAADEGBU: Thinking God's thoughts after Him

http://www.icr.org/article/thinking-gods-thoughts-after-him/

You're still preaching this nonsense?

Please, I want to know if people really believe in the Adam and Eve story.

I also want to know if people think that this is a better alternative to evolution.

I support evolution but I am not here to argue, I just want to see people's beliefs. There are other threads for evolution vs creationism arguments.

Please state your beliefs and why;

East: People dont think there is no God, rather they deny that there is no God, because God has place in
each and everyone's heart that burden of His existence. people who come here and claim there is no God
just want to assured that they are not alone. Only a fool says in His heart ''There is no God".

You religious people do not have any idea about the things you say. You just called millions of people fools because they did not believe in God.

64% of Japanese people do not believe in God. Are you saying that Japanese people are mostly fools?


Are you so much of a bigot that you can not just accept that people have the choice not to believe in God?


Even you can not describe God. Is God black or white? Does he speak with a loud or small voice? ow tall is God? Is god a mist or a shadow?

There are more christians than any other religion in the world. Islam is second.

OLAADEGBU: The results of our scientific "discoveries" should always be to glorify the Creator and to draw men closer to Him, not lead them away from Him.

That kind of thinking is what destroyed islamic contributions to science and technology (the golden age)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbLDKLQYrg8&feature=endscreen&NR=1


It is also destroying Christianity with the reluctance to accept evolution.

LagosShia: that is a blank cheque of generalization.their actions and treachery? which?

or is it better to believe that prophets committed ra.pe,in.cest,and adultery like those we read in the "holy bible"?

Err, your prophet Mohammed dabbled in;

slavery; Rayahna and Maria al-qibityaa

Incest; Aisha

Ngwakwe: I know USA is referred as God's own Country
Abia State in Nigeria as God's own State.

Why do you ask? Hatred, Jealousy or Admiration.

I am just curious.


Many people do not realise the xenophobia involved in calling a particular country or state God's own

Religion will always cause war and division. Most christians and muslims deny this fact.

Religion is a tool. Christianity and islam have been used to enslave people and also to free people.


The moment we accept this as a fact, we would all be better off