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buzugee: You do know that your idea of slavery and the biblical idea of slavery is different right ? joseph was a slave in egypt and eventually became the second in command. shedrach meshayach and abednego and daniel were slaves in ancient babylon but eventually became rulers in the town. slavery in those days simply means househelp. the reason your sense of slavery is warped is because of what the filthy gentiles ( ishmaelites and edomites also known as arabs and whites ) eventually turned it into. but thats what you get when the world is handed over to the gentiles romans 11 vs 11. job 9 vs 24. thats why we now have a warped sense of what slavery is. biblical slavery was different. slaves lived in luxury with their masters.

I actually thought that you were smart but you have become a slavery apologist and a christian apologist!


Slavery in the bible was even worse that what happened during the transatlantic slavery.

-Did you miss the part where slave masters were allowed to beat their slaves as long as they dont die in 2 days in the bible?

"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)"


-Did you miss the instruction on marrying female slaves in the bible that is tantamount to sex slaves?

Maybe you have forgotten what slavery look liked in early times BC.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwKeq9nWsfI

buzugee: and yall know how them popes get with them altar boys right ? night vigils alone with the altar boys and whatnot one on one midnight sessions with the altar boys is this why logicboy rebelled eventually after years of abuse, and morphed into a virulent atheist ? sounds logical dont it ?

Kai! They have opened my yansh in this thread!


On a serious note, I was never an altar boy...

Thanks for the fantasy

newmi: With no malicious intent whatsoever to discredit your stance but permit me to say that you don't seem to be reckoning with my perspective, l am not advocating that they were "violent" can't remember ever even mentioning that perhaps you might need to review my most recent post again. They were IRREVERENT AND PROFANE and it is also important that you understand that they were in a "THEOCRATIC GOVERNING SYSTEM" so the logic of HUMANE MORAL RATIONALITY does not appeal to the justice of the time. God is Merciful and Kind otherwise if we were in such a dispensation who can tell those who would still be alive where it was JUSTIFICATION BY WORKS AND SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS but thank God for His Grace.

You can do ur mental gymanstics to approve murder in the bible bu it is still murder.

ckkris: Logicboy.
Its VERY UNLIKELY that you've ever been a Christian for 22 seconds. Being a pastor, bearing fancy titles anyone may choose, or church-going membership, do not make anyone a Christian.

You just lied. What did the bible tell you about lying, Mr Ckkris, the real christian?


I was a catholic for 22 years. I was a christian. I read the bible, fasted and prayed.

OLAADEGBU: Eve came from Adam and men today comes from their mother and that makes Eve the mother of all living.

Eve is a clone from Adam and therefore, a humanoid.

Eve had s.ex with her parent, Adam. Incest!!!!!

OLAADEGBU: You should rather be concerned about Darwin who got you thinking that your ancestors were ape-like creatures.

Human beings are ape-like creatures- primates

OLAADEGBU: That was the first world surgical operation and who said that it was wrong then, you?

Adam is Eve's parent. Adam and Eve have children = incest. Genesis maths

The ignorance on this thread is quite astounding



1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"



1 Corinthians 11:7
A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man

Can any tither please respond to the OP if you have any courage?

OLAADEGBU: God doesn't play dice. The verbal inspiration of the Scriptures is inerrant unless you are saying that goes contrary to your indoctrination.

Does this inspire your mother or sister;

"A man should not wear anything on his head when worshiping, for man is made in God's image and reflects God's glory. And woman reflects man's glory"
1 Corinthians 11:7

Blatant sexism in the bible.

Jasiel: Idolatory was the main reason God punished his people. But never mind, u won't understand how grave a sin idolatory is and it isn't worth my while explaining to u.

Dont make foolish assumptions. I was a christian for 22 years.


Idolatory is central to some people's religion. As Nigerians, our ancestors and great grand parents were all traditionally idol worshippers. Are you by any chance implying that our forefathers deserve famine?

Frosbel,

I can see that you're not in reality. Please, these are the things that are in the real world;

1) Unemployment; It is hard to get jobs, not to talk of flexible jobs in which moms/dads can use to spend more work time with their family/children. People work monday to friday


2) Two thirds of the world are not christian and do not Go to church. The computer that you are using is either made by agostics or atheists (Windows, apple, sony, samsung,Toshiba etc). Who are you to say that they are agents of the devil?

3) Creationism/intelliegent design is not science. They can teach that in bible or christian classes but not in science

4) Many people can not afford private school or to homeschool their children. It doesn mean that they obey satan.


These are facts that you have to live with

newmi: Providing a definition for murder or understanding it is by no degree a hard nut to crack for me but my point is that the bible didn't call it "MURDER" rather on the contrary, from the context we can deduce the following truths:

1) These young men in question were untrained
2) They were profane and irreverent especially in a theocracy of that nature in which almost absolute regard and reverential honour is given to a Prophet as "THE

You see like the Apostle Peter pointed out in a profound statement [b]". . . why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost. . .Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord?. . ." The point is whatever that is done to the Prophet is done to "the one who sent or appointed him"[/b]

1) The youth were not violent

2) The youth mocked a human being for being bald. The death penalty does not apply. Did you see that in anywhere in the 10 commandments or the other laws in Exodus?

3) The youth were not in a theocracy, they were in a monarchy. Ahab was king.

4) As for the bold part, was it not Peter that denied Jesus? Is that not denying God/a prophet of God? Hypocrisy?

5) Also for the bold part, just because something is in the bible, it doesnt mean that it is true. If I insult a prophet, the prophet is not God, I am insulting the prophet. The pope is not God and neither is pastor Chris who are men like me. Should I be senteced to death for insulting pastor Chris or the pope?

Jasiel: Logicboy I suggest u get a bible. It would go a long way in clearing up a lot of things beyond your understanding. Elisha did not of his own accord withhold rain for the purpose of making people starve. You don't understand the circumstances in and for which those events occurred.
Besides that u argue blindly only puts ur ignorance on display. You're not as good a debater as you u so ignorantly claim.

His purpose was to punish the King and his people. Starvation is a direct result of the punishment. No rain = no crops, no crops = no food, no food = starvation.

The bible never said that God instructed Elijah to stop the rain from falling;

"1 Kings 17
New International Version (NIV)
Elijah Announces a Great Drought

17 Now Elijah the Tishbite, from Tishbe[a] in Gilead, said to Ahab, “As the Lord, the God of Israel, lives, whom I serve, there will be neither dew nor rain in the next few years except at my word.”

OLAADEGBU: Did I confuse you with the truth?

Why do you play these games? You are clearly more knowledgeable about the bible than I am and you know tha the bible is not 100% accurate. However, you dont admit it. Why?

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Jasiel: I understand and respect the office of the prophet...No doubt about that but I don't think any prophet has a sovereign authority to bless, curse, judge or condemn except that mandate comes from heaven.... In which case, it mostly has anyway.

Another extremist

Joagbaje, are you seeing the result of your preaching? Jasiel believes that a prophet has the right to curse, judge and condemn people when the mandate comes from heaven.

How do you ascertain that the judgement comes from heaven?

Was it from heaven when Oyedepo slapped the young girl?

jmoore: what is the percentage at which mothers are at risk? very low percentage.

pregnancy from rape. No one is at risk here except the unborn child that people want to kill.

Doesnt that low percentage need abortion?

Would you like to be the grandfather of a rape child if your daughter is raped? (God forbid)


I am not supporting abortion and neither am I against it. I am just neutral

Joagbaje: Every thing must not land on Jo. Why not question sophia? You dey fear am? I didn't say what Sophia said . And I may or may not agree with her.

Sophia is already mad- someone that wants Prophets to withhold rain for 3 years and let people starve to death.

The problem is that you dont know the effects of your preaching. When you excuse Elijah for killing youths and say that people should respect prophets, your preaching emboldens extremists. You are just ignorant but not mad.


The worst thing is that you can not even have the decency to deny Sophia- what do you mean that you may or may not agree with her?

Joagbaje: You could have simply ask questions instead of overworking your emotions.

They were not children as popularly assumed . They were accountsble young men .Here's a quote for you from amplified.

2 Kings 2:23
From Jericho he went to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, a [b]gang of young men fr[/b]om the city began mocking and making fun of him because of his bald head.

If I walk down the street with 6 of my male friends, were a a gang of 7 young men. "Gang" does not mean anything unless you qualify it; gang of robbers, gang of merry men etc

jmoore: grey area, where and how? That you are born and alive today should give you reason to stand against abortion.

What if the mother's life is at risk?

What if a girl is raped? Should she not abort the baby?


These are special circumstance where abortion is needed

jmoore: It started with homosexuals who pray to God and try to portray that God is not against homosexuality.

This recent one is about abortion, People giving thanks and praying for an increase in abortion

The American organization known as Planned Parenthood is promoting it’s own “40 days of prayer,” that runs through April 27th. A prayer guide found on Planned Parenthood.org encourages supporters to offer prayers of “thanks for abortion providers” and the “sacred care” they provide. Each day the site suggests a prayer.

One of their prayers includes

1- “Today we pray for a cloud of gentleness to surround every abortion facility. May everyone feel calm and loving.”

2- "Today we give thanks for abortion escorts who guide women safely through the hostile gauntlets of protesters."

3-Today we give thanks for the doctors who provide quality abortion care, and pray that they may be kept safe.

4-Today we pray for medical students who want to include abortion care in their practice. May they receive good training and find good mentors

5-Today we pray for women who were joyfully expecting a child, but have learned that the pregnancy is not sustainable

6-Today we pray for an end to all violence against abortion providers.

Some of the prayers, like those above, are for the abortionists. Others are for all “women to access . . . abortion,” and one is to “give thanks and celebrate that abortion is still safe and legal.”

While the prayers themselves are shocking, the true outrage continues to be the yearly slaughter of millions of unborn babies.

I call this "Devil made legal", what a world!!

Abortion is a grey area. Sometimes you can argue for it and sometimes not.

musKeeto: I usually don't agree with you, but I have to here.. one of the reasons I'm agnostic... the Christian God is indeed a jealous God, and I suspect the Bible is a version of the Israelites experience... imagine the Amalekites that were wiped out because they didn't believe him. Imagine the Canaanites that were chased out of their land by the former slaves of another kingdom...

My favorite war game, Call of Duty, has this scene in which one the characters says "History is written by the victor"...

Thank you for speaking out against such extremism

frosbel: Thou shalt not take thy children to a Bible-believing church

That's right, the last thing I need is a generation of children who learn to believe and obey God's word! Take your sons and daughters to a big and liberal church where there are scores of fun activities to waste their time and rob them of any chance to really learn the Bible. Don't take them to an old-fashioned church where the Bible is believed, preached and taught.

So, muslims, buddhists, Shintoists, atheists agnostics and Jews by default are agents of Satan because they dont take their children to churches? Two thirds of the world are obeying this Satan's commandments because they dont take their children to churches.

You are wrong

frosbel: Thou shalt enroll thy children in a day care center

Mom, don't even think of staying home to train up your children! Sure, the Bible commands women to be "keepers at home," but who believes the Bible these days? Your family can't make it on a single income. Get yourself a job and let my specially trained day care agents start working on your children. You make the babies and let me handle the rest.

So, middle income parents or poor parents who need both salaries to feed their families are agents of Satan? They should not take the only alternative (day care) to help with their children? Why must it be the woman to take care of the children? Is that not sexist? Are there not single fathers who make it?

You are wrong

frosbel: Thou shalt enroll thy children in the public school system

Don't even think of home schooling or a private school. You just trust me to educate your children the way I think best. The public school system is packed full of my agents. We've already thrown the Bible, the Ten Commandments and prayer out of the schools. Now we're having the time of our life! We'll teach your kids that they have evolved from animals so they'll feel no obligation to honor and obey their true Creator. Then we'll let them dress any way they choose while teaching them all about sex. We'll even have a few dances each year so they can rub their bodies together while listening and dancing to the most ungodly music the world has ever known. With a little luck, your kids will have their own kids before finishing high school, which just means more day care prospects for me! Don't you just love my system?!!!!

People that can not afford private schools are obeying the devil by choosing public school? Is it every parent that has the time to homeschool children?




Please, everybody (whether you're a christian or not) denounce this horrible idea of casting certain innocent people as agents of Satan. The truth is there for everyone to see

I have told you to become a preacher. Stop wasting your talent

sophiap: I love the authority the prophets of old were working with, they were the rulers of the nations those days. There words were law, even though they had kings, the kings were subject to the prophets. They rule successfully by been submissive to the words of the prophets. That made the big differences between king Saul and king David. Saul had no regard for the words of the prophet and lost the kingdom to David who had high regard for the prophets and their words. Also between David and Solomon, David had a fulfilled end because his friends were the Prophets. During David time you always read, prophet Nathan is here to see you but in Solomon time what you read is the Queen of Sheba is here or he has married the daughter of this king or that king from strange lands and in the end, though he was the wisest king that ever lived, he also did the most foolish act and reduced himself to the service of strange gods.
Imagine a prophet pronouncing judgement on an entire nation. 3 and a half years of no rain and when he decided they must have learnt there lesson he called forth rain again. Wow! This is awesome. I pray for thesame authority to rest and abide with the Prophets of our day. And that they will be conscious of the authority that God has given them and fearlessly change our nations for good.

JOAGBAJE, DO YOU SEE THE EXTREMISM THAT YOU ARE PREACHING? Sohiap agrees with you and wants the nation to become a theocracy where prohphets are answerable to no one but God. He wants prophets to have the ability to withhold rain for 3 days and let people die of famine and starvation because they did not worship his God.


Death for not being christian. Are you any different from Boko Haram?

newmi: Calm down this is suppose to be a discussion not a thug fight. Perhaps the use of the word "Hooligans" was an insolvent analogous proximate and an aberration from the thought that was intended to be communicated because the bible didn't really call them Hooligans but the bible didn't also qualify the action of the prophet as an act of murder like you tried to portray. So where did you get your verdict from.

How do you define murder? "Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human,"

If I unleashed a pack of bears to kill your family for mocking me, is that not murder?



How do you define hooligans? "A violent young troublemaker, typically one of a gang"

Were the youths violent? The bible only said that they mocked his bald head.

https://www.anniemayhem.com/blog%20pics/GeorgeTiller.jpg

http://www.atheistrev.com/2010/02/scott-roeder-christian-terrorist.html



Christains too kill for God.



Islam and christianity have do to something about their extremists

benodic: You guys should allow logic boy to have his fun. It is okay.
Only experience can change Soul. No amount of debate, discussions or arguments can ever impart an iota of truth into Soul. Only experience can . It is just a matter of time and of course how long it takes does not matter because soul is timeless and eternal.

The same way that no amount of debate can move you from your non-existent God.

You have never seen or felt a soul or God. Why do you claim to know anything about them?

LagosShia: as a Muslim,the sins or wrongs,or mistakes humans commit cannot all be attributed to satanic inspiration or the temptation of the devil.the human being have the power to resist the temptation of the devil and also choose to act in a way other than the other way.the Quran makes perfect sense on those and we see that even though the devil tempts,we share the blame either partly or fully sometimes.

Holy Quran 15:42
"My servants – you shall have no authority over any of them, unless it be such as follow you being rebellious (against Me, as you are). "

Holy Quran 91:7-10
"And [by] the soul and He who proportioned it.And inspired it (with conscience of) what is wrong for it and (what is) right for it.,He has succeeded who purifies it,And he has failed who instills it [with corruption]".

Dont act as if the Koran is any better. Islam and christainity are different branches on the same tree.

Please, you can see my sentiments on Islam here

https://www.nairaland.com/916816/can-islam-really-survive-another/

KamiLara: @logicboy

If we can stopped being detached

we will notice, it or all, did not start as religion or what not, in the beginning

which is why it or all is coming full circle

where we will return to an original state of things as it was in the beginning

Also the above sentiments, unfortunately, are part of the process or part of the continued and/or forward chain of event(s).

The "bitter pill to swallow" as it were.

I am guessing that you are saying that life didnt start with religion and will not end with religion. If tat is the case, then I agree

Joagbaje: Pls kindly close the door behind you if you have no meaningful thing to contribute

lol, you think your lies will not be challenged?


Please, show me where the bible says that the youths were hooligans like you said.


Everyone can see that you're a liar.

Christianity and other religions are just false. Yes, many religions have good sides but they also have bad sides


-The bible supports slavery both in the Old and new testaments;

Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"

-The bible supports sexism

1 Corinthians 11;7
"For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man"




Also, the bible seems to support polygamy and then contradicts itself. Compare King Solomon and Jeseus.

Also the bible seems to support incest (Abraham and Sarah are half bro and sis) then contradict itself