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brainpulse: I will never dodge your questions but for me to let you understand i need to erase some preconceived notion.
I asked you a question because you made me believe that you were once a christian before.

The laws and commandments were giving to man for a definite purpose and something critical brought it because God didn't want to. Have you really wondered why will God Create his people out or love and yet will try to destroy them?

Have you really wondered why will God Create his people out or love and yet will try to destroy them?


Of course and that's why i'm an atheist

Did God use slavery to inspect our great great grandparents in Nigeria?



https://urbanchristiannews.com/ucn/slaves-obey-your-masters-BILLBOARD.jpg

brainpulse: First do you really know what brought about the laws that was giving to man by God? I was worst than an atheist before I think i had made you know before.

Yes, I understand the laws of the old testament very well as a christian. Stop dodging and answer the question

brainpulse: Archaeology findings helps us to know and understand events and time and the authenticity of our beliefs as it relates to history and modern world

I will continue to tell you, read yourself to understand and understand. Acid is a volatile substance yet finds its usefulness in various applications in our lives. Don't read with a preconceived notion.

Wow, why do you always run away? Why are you avoiding this question on the bible quote? It shows your character when you avoid legitimate questions on the bible

brainpulse: What I meant is this, "if for all intentions you continue for the next 1000years to investigate only trying to read and pick errors not to understand first" then you will never get the message right.

Thanks for clearing that up.

However, you keep deuding yourself that atheists pick bible quote out of context. Your forget that many atheists were once christians who have read the bible back to back. Furthermore, it is a typical excuse of people who have been caught with bad quotes to claim that their words were taken out of context.

Please, can you explain how in any situation the quote I gave you (Deut 22; 28-29) is not evil?

brainpulse: So give me a scientific explanation. I am waiting.

1) A mother dreaming about her son

Science- this is normal, we dream about things and people we think about plus other abstract things.

2) A mother dreaming about her son having difficult times when the son is actually having a difficult time.

Science- very easy coincidence. Everyone has problems. If your mom dreams about you having problems, no surprise.

jmoore: Things you may never understand. Jesus came for everyone through the Jews. He can't come from all tribes. How is that difficult to assimilate?

He could have chosen blacks,arabs etc and may be thousands of years later a clone of yours who is a Jew will also say why did Jesus come through blacks?

He chose a tribe so to prepare the way for the coming of Jesus and JOHN 3:16 makes it clear that he died for all of us.

1) You forget that God was talking to only Jews in the old testament. He did not talk to Asians or West Africans or south Americans. An omnipotent God from heaven could surely do better


2) He chose a tribe? Why did he need a tribe? Why didnt he use different tribes and unite them? Why did Jesus not just appear from heaven rather than impregnanting a virgin? Why didnt Jesus go around the world? He could appear and disappear.

3) My point is that in haven a chosen people, your Jewish God is a Jewish racist. He had the option of making his prophets diverse. He chose to muder towns of unbelievers rather than giving them a prophet that could turn them into his ways.

jmoore: Why are you making your reference to only west Africa? Are other parts of Africa not africa? Acts 8:26-35 is about how Phillip told an Ethiopian about Jesus. Is Ethiopia not part of Africa


The news of the Jesus can never reach everyone at the same time.

Let's assume Mr santbargo is from Asia and he finds out the only cure of HIV and decides to spread it to the rest of the word. Will you reject Mr santbargo message because he is from Asia?

To even start debating about religion, you need to know the first time God had contact with humans which you do not know. Christianity is not even a religion as you folks think. It is a relationship with God

1) This is a Nigerian site. Christianity is foriegn to Nigeria. Simple. To be broader, Christianity is foriegn to west Africa

2)Let's assume Mr santbargo is from Asia and he finds out the only cure of HIV and decides to spread it to the rest of the word. Will you reject Mr santbargo message because he is from Asia?

Your above quote is foolish because

a) information flows around the world in seconds today. People in Asia and Nigeria know the latest stock market figures at the same time

b) how can modern technology be better than God? Why couldnt God speak to every continent in the world during biblical times?


3) Why did your God neglect West Africa for over 4000 years since Adam? When christianity finally came, it came with slavery and colonialism

brainpulse: All archaeology findings up to the scrolls written at the mount of patmos has pointed to the inherent, infallibility of the bible. You always debunk the bible with writings of people's postings and articles like you picking and misinterpreting the words of the bible. The bible can not be understood by a preconceived mind that has only come to pick errors. [bThis were words breathe by the spirit of God and can only be understood by the spirit. You will continue to investigate, read and pick errors even for the next 1000 years , I bet you, you will never understand. So you will either live them like that or you pray for the spirit of God to interpret them to you, because he will give you answers we too can not give you.

1) Are you accepting that there are errors in the bible, with regards to the bold part?

2) How does finding scrolls prove that the bible is factual?

3) There are quotes from the bible that evil, no matter the interpretation. For example can you interprete this in a good way;

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

Even my tribe in Nigeria befire christianity came, the punishment for rape is public execution. No marriage clause.

Snowwy: Reminds me of the headline I saw:

‘Oh God,’ atheist Richard Dawkins says when stumped in debate with Church of England priest.

Aethism is just a bunch of people who TRY to believe there is no God. He couldn't even control what he said.
Isn't this obvious that there is more to that statement.


@Logicboy,
Did you actually say this. Waow...see you can't run from God. He loves you boy.


On the topic, it is a pity people try to justify murder in anyway. Though shall not kill. Love your neighbour as yourself. May God help us.

Christianity makes people foolish. Has christianity made you dumb enough to forget the meaning of a common phrase. If I say "good morning" does that mean that the morning is good or that I'm greeting you?

Pastor AIO: When you were carefully reading through the thread I'm sure you must have missed the post where I said this in response to Chukwudi.

I mentioned the crusades as a listed example. I did not post the history of the crusades.


Stop grasping at straws

jmoore: Is North africa not part of africa? Please this is not about philisophy and logic, Arabs invaded Egypt in the 7th Century AD. Go and read history. The original inhabitants of Northafrica were blacks

Morover, Christianity is for everyone

1) Was Egypt a christian society in the bible? Were they ever a christian society?

2) Christianity is not for everyone. You have been brainwashed to believe so. Abraham to Jesus were Jews. Why did God have a chosen people? Is that not racist?

3) Christainity is foriegn to Nigeria and West Africa. The bible and christianity neglected West Africa from Adam till the 16th century when it came with slavery.

4) Did I ever say that North Africa is not part of Africa?

Pastor AIO: @ Logicboy, I am quite sure that you and I will have our day one day soon. But till then can we please stay on track for this thread. The Crusades is in the medieval era and I do not want to discuss it on this thread. Perhaps you could open another thread if you want to discuss it right away.

Could you kindly consider this when you 're-enter the ring'.

Why do you see it as a fight? There is no ring. There is just truth and lies.

Please, do not lie that I was not on topic. Crusades was just one of my examples on relion and war

ckkris: Logicboy.
King David took a woman and killed her husband. Its only The Bible that can punish, and record, such moral failure of a very successful king. Such evil is routine all over the world. Are you denying Sir, that atheists Joseph Stalin, Chairman Mao, et al, had no compunction in slaughtering millions of own people. Nigerian Communists of 1960s are still alive and active. Example: a senator form the South East. Sir, ATHEISM is a religion of Self worship, but of such brutal heartlessness that wickedness is justified. That's the apparent reason for claiming that there's no God, because The Word of God confirms the relentless VOICE of Conscience. The atheists don't want anyone to remind them of their wicked ways. And that's what Christianity is about, to call all mankind, you and I, to order, and convert them, if they humbly acknowledge their faults.

1) Atheism is not a religion

2) Christianity has caused the most dead bodies more than any religion in the world

3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM2vt2FD5sc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM2vt2FD5sc

https://www.nairaland.com/925075/christians-love-gay-sex


Christians love gay sex

This has to be the happiest christian thread. Unfortunately, it's homosexuality and rape that brought all of you together.


If my fantasy rape brings you guys together, then no wahala

Atheism is cool with hedonism

buzugee: The bible is a history book as well as a moral book as well as a book of prophesy. those things you mentioned are the historical aspects. there is a reason the israelites went into captivity and lost control of the world. its because of their deeds. see, not everything in the bible is a lesson in morality. there are many lessons in immorality.

Agreed, so why were you being a slavery apologist before?

musKeeto: Please I know you're much more better than this

From his opening post..


Also..

I know you seek to derail the thread.. please be good at what you do..

How do those relate to wars being more religious than political when he is saying thar atheist have the same tendency to violence?

[size=18pt]Hey, here is part of two of the homosexual scandal[/size]

https://www.nairaland.com/925075/christians-love-gay-sex

musKeeto: That's the point Pastor is making. WHT?

E be like say some people 'login' button for nairaland na 'enter the ring'... always looking for a fight..

I doubt that that was the point he was making

Pastor AIO: Then I want to talk about what I call the Atheist Wars, which I think is very important because a lot of atheist like to go on about religion causing too much wars in history when some of the most violent wars were a result of Atheist proselytism. It is in actual fact the[b] issue of Religion that drives men to such violent fervour, not theism particularly. And the Atheists have been just as guilty and the sentiments that bring such violence about can be clearly seen in the behaviour of many of the Atheist on NL.

Pastor AIO: You are one of those Hot heads, aren't you? Attacking everything at any cost, just to ease your sense of malaise. Even going as far as denying yourself the opportunity to read my posts carefully and learn something about me.

What is the difference between a Reason and a Cause? Please consider this carefully because I have a feeling it might come up in a future discussion between you and me. I am actually quite glad that you make the distinction even though it is a false dichotomy.

I have yet to hear in all the annals of history of a war that is fought against another religion that didn't have resources that the attacker would gain if they won the war. For a start War is not a cheap enterprise. Anybody that goes to war without hope of recompensing their expenses is nothing but a fool.

Even in the bible na the same. Why didn't children of Israel attack Egypt? Why is it the weakened Canaanite cities that they attacked and took over? Land flowing with milk and honey? Why didn't they attack Sumeria? Mesopotamia is much more fertile than Canaan, more milk and honey there.

Why don't evangelist preach in areas where there is little wealth? Why do our pastors go to America and Europe to save souls? Why don't they go into the Bush? I can bet my bottom dollar that if some great resource like oil is found in some wilderness somewhere, suddenly the spirit will inspire our preachers to go and save the souls of the people living there.

Who is denying that xtianity and Islam support slavery? Who? (looks around baffled). Explain yourself sir.

The crusades were more religious than political

Pastor AIO: You are one of those Hot heads, aren't you? Attacking everything at any cost, just to ease your sense of malaise. Even going as far as denying yourself the opportunity to read my posts carefully and learn something about me.

What is the difference between a Reason and a Cause? Please consider this carefully because I have a feeling it might come up in a future discussion between you and me. I am actually quite glad that you make the distinction even though it is a false dichotomy.

I have yet to hear in all the annals of history of a war that is fought against another religion that didn't have resources that the attacker would gain if they won the war. For a start War is not a cheap enterprise. Anybody that goes to war without hope of recompensing their expenses is nothing but a fool.

Even in the bible na the same. Why didn't children of Israel attack Egypt? Why is it the weakened Canaanite cities that they attacked and took over? Land flowing with milk and honey? Why didn't they attack Sumeria? Mesopotamia is much more fertile than Canaan, more milk and honey there.

Why don't evangelist preach in areas where there is little wealth? Why do our pastors go to America and Europe to save souls? Why don't they go into the Bush? I can bet my bottom dollar that if some great resource like oil is found in some wilderness somewhere, suddenly the spirit will inspire our preachers to go and save the souls of the people living there.

Who is denying that xtianity and Islam support slavery? Who? (looks around baffled). Explain yourself sir.

So at least, you know that your religion supprts slavery and you still call yourself a pastor? Shameful

ckkris: Freedom of expression is one of the things Jesus established on this earth. Before Him there was nothing like that. Every Christian should therefore ensure that anti-christs are free to say what they believe. But let it be acknowledged by all, that there is no freedom of expression, or freedom of any kind whatsoever, in all the countries where it is officially proclaimed that they don't want God. It is also because of Christ that they even timidly speak out against islamic extremism. Otherwise . . . Any dissent is crushed with satanic brutality in non-christian regimes, be it Communist, islamic, or pagan Botwana. And because Christians dominate, and will continue to increase and deepen Christ's domination of this country Nigeria, everyone is free, even free to be wrong, and be gently corrected, with the kind of human dignity that Jesus restored to mankind. JESUS IS LORD.

Jesus was a coward that said nothing about the slavery around him. Even his apostles talked about slavery

Go and read about the crusades and inquisition before you say that christianity supports freedom

Here are some lovely pictures of how christians treated unbelievers;

https://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0907/the-judas-chair-demotivational-poster-1246633744.jpg

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ckkris: Logicboy.
Christianity, started and sustained till today by the resurrected Christ Jesus, has never supported slavery, or any type of oppression, or dictatorship. You can see how atheists slaughtered millions of their own people in Communist Russia, Cambodia, Cuba, and even here in Nigeria, if you're aware of what happened in 1960s. Slave, in the context of freedom being preached in the New Testament, is a person who willing submits ABSOLUTELY to the sovereignty of God. Why? Christian law is simple and self-judging, do to your neighbour as you would wish your neighbour to do unto you. If you classify every pastor and church goer as Christian, you could as well classify everyone in England as English.
Sir, if you're not a Christian, it will be difficult for you to know who is one. As Christianity has brought peace, progress, and therefore conquered the world, most people, even non-christians readily, identify with Christian values in matrimony, enterprise, democracy, remember all men are created equal, and the rule of law, that made Barack Obama the president of the USA. People might Nicodemously admire Christianity, but are not. Apartheid, or racial segregation is not Christian Bible practice, and you can see how genuine Christians stood firm against such, beginning with William Wilberforce, among others.

Are you mad? Do you want to compare the dead bodies cause by christianity to any other religion? Are you ignorant??

Who did atheists kill in Nigeria? That is a lie. Christianity came to Nigeria through slavery Nigeria has less than 1% atheists.

Even in Cuba, there were slaves transported by christians in Cuba.


Chritian wars and slavery; Hitler, The catholic church, crusades, Christian Eurpean slave trades in West Africa, Spanish inquisitions, Genocide in the bible by isrealites?


Christianity was used to enslave people. D o you how many churches in the UK, USA have apologised for slavery? You deny the involvement of christianity in slavery like a douchebag

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112329862
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/barbados/1510213/Churchs-slavery-apology-is-not-enough.html
http://www.dailyfreeman.com/articles/2011/05/27/news/doc4ddedc75f2f11194220527.txt

There are so many churches that have apologised for their involvement in slavery. Their rationale was from the bible.


Yes, christianity was also used to end slavery but it started it in the first place

This is what slavery looked like in the bible;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwKeq9nWsfI

buzugee: You do know that your idea of slavery and the biblical idea of slavery is different right ? joseph was a slave in egypt and eventually became the second in command. shedrach meshayach and abednego and daniel were slaves in ancient babylon but eventually became rulers in the town. slavery in those days simply means househelp. the reason your sense of slavery is warped is because of what the filthy gentiles ( ishmaelites and edomites also known as arabs and whites ) eventually turned it into. but thats what you get when the world is handed over to the gentiles romans 11 vs 11. job 9 vs 24. thats why we now have a warped sense of what slavery is. biblical slavery was different. slaves lived in luxury with their masters.

I actually thought that you were smart but you have become a slavery apologist and a christian apologist!


Slavery in the bible was even worse that what happened during the transatlantic slavery.

-Did you miss the part where slave masters were allowed to beat their slaves as long as they dont die in 2 days in the bible?

"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)"


-Did you miss the instruction on marrying female slaves in the bible that is tantamount to sex slaves?

Maybe you have forgotten what slavery look liked in early times BC.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwKeq9nWsfI

buzugee: and yall know how them popes get with them altar boys right ? night vigils alone with the altar boys and whatnot one on one midnight sessions with the altar boys is this why logicboy rebelled eventually after years of abuse, and morphed into a virulent atheist ? sounds logical dont it ?

Kai! They have opened my yansh in this thread!


On a serious note, I was never an altar boy...

Thanks for the fantasy

newmi: With no malicious intent whatsoever to discredit your stance but permit me to say that you don't seem to be reckoning with my perspective, l am not advocating that they were "violent" can't remember ever even mentioning that perhaps you might need to review my most recent post again. They were IRREVERENT AND PROFANE and it is also important that you understand that they were in a "THEOCRATIC GOVERNING SYSTEM" so the logic of HUMANE MORAL RATIONALITY does not appeal to the justice of the time. God is Merciful and Kind otherwise if we were in such a dispensation who can tell those who would still be alive where it was JUSTIFICATION BY WORKS AND SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS but thank God for His Grace.

You can do ur mental gymanstics to approve murder in the bible bu it is still murder.

ckkris: Logicboy.
Its VERY UNLIKELY that you've ever been a Christian for 22 seconds. Being a pastor, bearing fancy titles anyone may choose, or church-going membership, do not make anyone a Christian.

You just lied. What did the bible tell you about lying, Mr Ckkris, the real christian?


I was a catholic for 22 years. I was a christian. I read the bible, fasted and prayed.