₦airaland Forum

OLAADEGBU: How about your religion or ideologies of evolution that fail to answer the foundational question?

brainpulse: I don't care how it came to Nigeria, because I don't care how i came to this world but the most important thing is what I make use of the opportunity given to live in this world.

OLAADEGBU: How does that explain the ultimate cause of the universe? You can't think crooked and walk straight.

Kay 17: If I respond unfavourably, I would will condemned as being disrespectful to Islam. And Islam doesn't like criticism. That's why the Kuwaiti parliament being all muslims, passed a law punishing blasphemy with the death penalty. Why? Because Islam is too "peace"

brainpulse: SO how will you know and understand a God that your heart and mind says doesn't exist?

You can not understand by the letters but by the spirit.

You operate in one dimension and I operate in 2 dimensions. So the things of the spirit will remain foolish in your eyes because you can't, you just can't, its impossible for you to come into that reality. Its not given to you because of your unwillingness. Its not only in the letters but by the spirit.

brainpulse: Go and ask God

brainpulse: Its also the WORD of GOD read in letter and only understood by the Spirit.
Its God's revelation to man of the past and the manifestation of things to come.
Its life inscribed in the heart that its willing to know and understand God.
its the wisdom that guides the man to the reality of the unseen and gives confident to fulfill the seen.
Its gives in detail the will of God, understanding it, working by it and walking in it.
Its the Word that gives Hope to man, Faith to man, Light to man, Strength to him in face of adversity.
Its the Only Word that exists before it was written.
Its gives understanding only to the simple the mystery of GOD ( father, Son, Spirit).
Its through it all Life will be Judged; those that believe or not.

logicboy: 2)Concerning the equal rights of women, I had a muslim girlfriend whom I could not marry or even allow her family or friends know that I am not a muslim because of the Koran- yet my muslim butchers from Pakistan toast my christian sisters from Nigeria with no backlash from muslim customers. Is that fair?

How do you expect me to ever love islam/the koran when the only girl that loved me is banned from marrying me because of my atheism? Do you think that I will ever find Islam tolerant to non-muslims?

Furthermore, why should a husband beat tap his wife? You expect to beleive that the translation of the arabic word in that context means "tap lightly". How does tapping lightly stop a disobedient wife? Even if we agree that its translation is "tap" (since your knowledge of Arabic/koran is clearly better than mine), why should you touch your wife when you are having disagreements?


Also, as for women in power, how do you expect your American women, who are very independent react when they are told that their place is secondary to men? Why cant a woman lead prayers?

tbaba1234: The Quran came, at a time when the arab men will beat their wives at the slightest provocation. A ruling comes that essentially stops them from beating their wives and limit any hostile touch to a light hit/tap that leaves no mark.

tbaba1234: Everyone will agree on the point that you do not leave any marks on your wife or strike her on the face.

Pastor AIO: So the only thing wrong with physical violence is if you leave a mark.

hmmm . . .

Mazaje, koran is just a text allow everybody to translate it the way they want. If tBaba is a violent person he will use the koran to justify his violence. If he is not a violent person he will use the koran to justify his non-violence. The Koran in and of itself does not change anything.

tbaba1234: And i say give me one that says batter your wife

Ibn kathir
Ibn abbas
Ibn Qayyim

Anyone

Everyone will agree on the point that you do not leave any marks on your wife or strike her on the face.

991: do you mean lord of the rings

tbaba1234: 1. Muslims do not subscribe to the evolution theory the way it is presented today. It is a good attempt to explain existence but it has too many holes.

We do believe however that creatures have changed (evolved??) over time. The description of Adam in the traditions show that he was much bigger than the average man today. So overtime, Man has changed. But the transformation from one species to another is what is not accepted.



2. I have seen staunch atheists come back to religion, what does that say about deep thought? I have never seen a scholar of the Quran leave Islam... Maybe ordinary muslims but never someone really knowledgeable. The Quran overwhelms you when you know a little about it.

3. Being smart does not preclude one from being childish or worshiping your ego.

brainpulse: When you don't understand something, you ask. When it comes to technology, there is no limit to what man can do, so you don,t say " CAN NOT" because man within minutes can make advancement and changes. Who ever believed before you were born that a gadget as simple as IPAD will revolutionize the computer world, who will believe that man could get to the deepest place in the ocean? So if you don't understand where the argument is coming from you don't make blind judgement.

tbaba1234: Great piece

Unveiling Atheism
by Mohamed Ghilan


When it comes to the issue of evidence, it seems to be a word that is used in an unrestricted fashion by atheists to support their final conclusions. If anything, this reflects either a simpleton mind, or an ulterior motive driving atheists. The broad term “evidence” is defined as a body of information that points towards the validity of a claim. However, because there are several types of evidence, we cannot simply make the broad request of anyone to provide “evidence”. Depending on the matter at hand, we must define the type of evidence we need in order to be convinced. At the very least, we should qualify whether we want direct evidence, or can be persuaded by indirect evidence if it is strong enough.

But let us take this a step back further than just defining “evidence’ and identifying which types are there. The question we should address first if we want to restrict ourselves to pure logic and avoid all fallacies is: can any evidence, irrespective of type, be sufficient to prove that God exists? It would seem that from the atheist perspective the answer to this question is a simple “No”. Regardless of what type of evidence they are provided with, atheists will always have some response to it, which can be frustrating to the believer as they list all the reasons why a belief in God is actually the more rational position to hold. The problem is not with the evidence from an empirical sense. The problem is with the rationalization process that comes after being presented with the evidence, which leads us into a discussion about the nature of knowledge, which we can address elsewhere.

Hubris is the state of the science-worshipping atheists. In a sense, it can be understood why they have become this way. Being able to observe the deep universe, examine the cosmos, send all kinds of technology into outer space, while at the same time be able to manipulate genomes, alter bacteria, play around with viruses, and control diseases are all very impressive feats. Mankind has surpassed its wildest historical imaginations of what it can accomplish. But this does not necessarily mean that our intellectual capacity or ability to reason has also progressed. In fact, it can be argued that we have become more confused as a generation and many are deluded into thinking that they are rational. The vast majority of books put out and read by science-worshipping atheists are sophistical in their reasoning and embarrassing in their conclusions.

ckkris: 991.
Christ Jesus is so overwhelming that history is actually His story. That's why you talk about Him. Without any organisation, He has millions of volunteer pastors and preachers proclaiming II GOODNESS, those He called, trained and equipped, and many false ones that He didnt send. But anyone that's hungry for truth and righteousness is attracted to Him.

tbaba1234: If you get married what happens to your kids?

tbaba1234: Actually smoking cigars is prohibited:: anything that harms the body is haram n tobacco falls into that category;;;

i. first of all, your relationship is prohibited because the Quran explicitly prohibit affairs outside marriage.

"This day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them; and the chaste from among the believing women and the chaste from among those who have been given the Book before you (are lawful for you); when you have given them their dowries, taking (them) in marriage, not fornicating NOR TAKING THEM FOR PARAMOURS; and whoever denies belief, his work indeed is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers." (5:5)

A period of courtship is allowed for those who intend to marry and that is to be closely monitored by the girl's guardians until they make a decision to marry.

So she should not have gotten into that kind of relationship in the first place.

ii. Did you say the Quran is biased when i said all financial responsibility in the home is for the man? and whatever a woman earns belongs to her..

These laws are to protect the woman so she does not get stuck in a marriage where practising her faith is difficult. A man marrying a non-muslim (limited to only jews and christians)poses less danger as the man is the traditional head of the home.

Like i said the laws are fair to both sexes.

Islamic finance survived for thousands of years and would fix many of the irregularities in the current system. Currently, there are no countries practising the sharia properly which is a bit of a shame.

On performance i will not agree with you , the ottoman empire kept inflation below 10% for 300 years. We get that kind of inflation every year.

tbaba1234: All intoxicants are banned not only alcohol>>

The Quran bans intoxicants including drugs not alcohol.
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Anything that beclouds your reason is banned.

Image123: You want to know what free will is? Free will is being created in the image of God, simplistically.

uchkochi: The bible is not a Christian book, it is the manual for life, a book for everyone but you must be a christian to understand it, It is not a religious book, it is the book that shows THE way, THE truth and The life.

Many people have often misunderstood what the bible is, they feel it is a book Christians read or go to church with, it is not that, it is a book for man as a whole, it is not a story book either it is a living book, it is not a history book, it is a reality book, it has the now effect. 2nd timothy 3:16. The bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit, so it is only the Holy Spirit that can give understanding. Everything about your life is in there. What you should do, what you should know, the answer to every question is in there. Take the bible as God talking to you at the moment, don't take it as something that happened in the past. It is the written word of God for the NOW. Whatever challenge you are going through will end today in the precious name of Jesus Christ. This word I just released into your life is written in Proverbs 23:18. So it is not what I just said to make you feel good, It is the word of God to you. That challenge you may be experiencing comes to an end today in the name of Jesus Christ. BB PIN 21322745.

Heathen: your statement has nothing to do with machines self-improving. Advances in aviation was brought by man and not by planes.

logicboy: Ipad can not self improve. Heck, no machine can self-improve. Let me explain;

1) All machines are programmed to do something. Even if they are programmed to self improve, they can not improve outside what they were programmed to improve.

3) As for new inventions, I never talked or implied anything about new inventions. Every new invention will have better and faster AI/OS but self-improvement is a different matter. Unless we have cyborgs that can think for themselves, self-improvement is near impossible

brainpulse: The same statement made by those that believe man can not make objects that fly centuries ago.

tbaba1234: The intricacies of Quranic Arabic is quite frankly uncomparable to anything in the arabic language.

God2man: It is an undisputable fact that Africa as a continent is the most widely mentioned continent in the whole of the Bible. For instance, the word Egypt occurs 611 times in the Bible, Ethiopia occurs 20 times in the Bible. Cyrene a city in Lybia occurs 4 times.
Matthew 2:15; And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, out of Egypt have i called my son.
Our Lord Jesus christ was born in Asia, walked the soil of Africa.
A black man appeared to assist Jesus to carry the cross after he had been beaten up, let's see, Matthew 27:32-33 " And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: they compelled to bear his cross. And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull"
Now, we have established Egypt and Cyrene, let us proceed to Ethiopia, Ethiopian means " aithops", that is "dark skinned" or a member of any of various supposedly dark skinned people regarded by the ancients as coming from a country lying south of Egypt.
According to wikipedia, Ethiopia has close historical ties with all three of world's major Abrahamic religions. It was one of the first areas of the world to have officially adopted christianity as the state religion, in the 4th century. The kingdom Aksum was one of the first nations to officially accept christianity when St. Frumentus of Tyre, called Fremnatos or Abba selema (" Father of Peace" in Ethiopia, converted King Ezana during the 4th century AD. Many believed that the Gospel had entered Ethiopia earlier, with the royal official described as being Baptized by Philip the Evangelist in Chapter 8 of the Acts of the Apostles ( Act 8: 26-39).
Let us read together, Acts 8:26-38" And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert. And he arose and went: and behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet. Then the spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. And philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet esaias, and said, Understandeth, thou what thou readest? And he said, How can i, except some man should guide me? And he desired philip that he would come up and sit with him. The place of the scripture which he read was this, he was led as a sheep to the slaughter: and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: in his humiliation his jugdement was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? For his life is taken from the earth. And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, i pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? Of himself, or of some other man? Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, see, here is water, what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, if thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest, and he answered and said, i believe that Jesus Christ is the son Of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both philip and the eunuch: and he baptized him."
The truth is that the white missionaries are not the first representatives of christianity on our continent,the history of christianity in Africa began in the 1st century when Mark the Evangelist started the orthodox church of Alexandra in about 43 AD, the presence of christianity in Africa began in the Middle of 1st century in Egypt, and by the end of the 2nd century in the region around carthage. Important Africans who influenced the early development of christianity includes, tertullian, clement of Alexandria, Cyprain. It may not be true that Mark was of African descent but it is true that God sent him to Africa, infact, Mark died as a martyr in Africa in the summer of the year 68 AD.
Another evidence we can gather to debunk this false belief that christianity is a white man's cuture is that when it was time for Paul to be sent on missionary Journey, black men laid hands on him. People may dispute this, but let's see Acts 13:1-5, There were praying and the Holyghost said, seperate unto me Paul and Barnabas for the work which i have called them, the prophecy could not have come from Paul or Barnabas. The remaining people in the gathering were Niger and lucius of Cyrene, and others, these two were black men. They laid hands on Paul and Barnabas.
It is only those people that are not conversant with the History of christianity that will claim that christianity is a white man's religion, the truth is that christianity is not a foreign culture but A NEW NATURE. God bless you. God2man.

OLAADEGBU: His tri-universe (space, matter, and time, with each component unique in definition and function, yet permeating and comprising the whole) perfectly "models" His triune nature (Father, Son, Holy Spirit--each distinct, yet each the whole).

brainpulse: Then if Apple comes out with a technology that can do all that, atleast nobody ever thought an Ipad as simple like that could be made in the first place and technology improves every seconds. You will be an enemy of technology if you constantly use the word" CAN NOT" because some people spends time discovering "newest" invention that will supersede previous innovations. So you using CAN NOT means apple can not improve on different technology in the Ipad generation. "Please always think outside your box".

And they will always find a way around the profit section.If it automatically updates and revise itself and debit your accounts or have you never thought about that.

brainpulse: From all your responses, it only showed without realizing it yourself that you have locked yourself up in a programmed set of thoughts because of your inability to change somethings that came your way in life. You feel like a Genus only to yourself when you are caressing yourself in the euphoria of that set of thoughts, but only showing to people how limited your brain, and your inability to think outside the box of creation. Your arguments are only in circles since the time you have being arguing, i believe you are here deliberately only to be noticed and seek unintelligent attention which is the first logical and irrational way of behaving like a doll.
MY ADVICE: You don't gain people's respect by thinking foolishly.

brainpulse: This is were i know you are not intelligent at all, so you can not think that Apple can make an Ipad that can self improve, self- update, self revised it's OS itself. can you see you that you are limited in your usage of simple technological sense.

Image123: Were you the one i advised on the glasses? So, is multiple choice unfair, coercion or blackmail?

logicboy: A theory question- limited freedom; because you are free to write as much as you like but must be related to topic of the question

A multiple choice question- even more limited freedom; because you have no freedom to write what you want, you must choose the maker's correct answe

Image123: Your reply was to my quoted post above, are you by chance, sleeping? You forgot to answer the question mr.logi