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If a country is so chronically mired in so much widespread corruption, in so high places; and it is so blessed with so much nature-endowed wealth that can be so easily and freely looted, with so little sanction against the culprits; and its civil population is so illiterate, so impoverished, so politically passive and docile, yet so sharply divided along so many primordial ethnic and sectarian lines, if a country is this cursed, then you do not need to be a genius to know that such a country can only move in one direction - backwards! |
PROUD IGBO: "I think 'patriot' or 'traitor' are adjectives a bit too extreme to qualify him as a person. A common ground can be found midway between the two." It is not only the use of these two adjectives with such loaded meanings, as you rightly pointed out, that I find curious about the post; I think it is not fair to pick one person (SLS, or anybody for that matter), from such a long list of senior government officials who have been caught in this act of national shame, and ask people to judge him as a 'patriot' or 'traitor'. IMO, the post would have been much better, fairer and more objective if it asks people to debate on whether they think it is generally appropriate for ANY Nigerian government official to be divulging so much vital information, of such national significance, so cheaply to a mere foreign ambassador, even if he/she happens to be the ambassador of the only super-power in the world. |
kabukabu50:But have you ever cared to find out what is the cancer of your Christianity? Most of these 'cancerous' manifestations, and much worse, are found among Christians as well. For instance, how far is your state from Akwa Ibom, where entirely innocent of the most vulnerable of the society - children - are condemned to most vicious forms of cruelty and torture simply because a CHRISTIAN 'religious' figure said they were witches? Have you ever heard of what Christians in Haiti believe in, and how much superstitious they are? If you do, you would know that blaming women for earthquakes, which I have never even heard a Muslim saying that, would fade in comparison |
islamrules:If you were a bit more intelligent, less sentimental, you understood English a bit better and you read my post more carefully and objectively, you would not have wasted your time and energy with this your 'response' to my post; it was an entirely misdirected and misfired effort on your part because we are not talking about the same thing, hence you are NOT logically and technically in any argument with me!. I was responding to a quotation from a poster who asks this rhetorical question: "why are [b]Muslims are so violent [/b]- speach (sic) and otherwise?" Accordingly, in my response I argued, with ample examples, that it was NOT only Muslims who are violent. If his question were something like; 'why Muslims commit so much violence in the name of Islam', and I chose to respond to it, my comment would have been entirely different. For instance, I would have restricted my examples to instances of Christians killing for Christianity alone; I would have, instead, only tried to show him that although there might not be, in the recent past, as many instances of Christians killing in the name of Christianity as we have of Muslims killing for their religion, a casual look into historical data would indeed reveal that the NUMBERS of murders committed by Christians IN THE NAME OF CHRISTIANITY (in Inquisition and the Crusades alone) can also be so, so shocking indeed. |
deltalife: "And why are muslims so violent - speach and otherwise?" According to some statistics on godlikeproductions.com, about 894,000 people were murdered in the United States from 1960 to date, and 563,200 of those murders were solved. The statistics estimated that 428,032 ((76%) were committed by Christians, while the rest (24%) were presumed to have been committed by adherents of other religions (including Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Islam, and others)! If you add this up to the total numbers of murders that have been committed by Christians in Mexico, Brazil, Britain, Russia, Japan, the Philippines, Kenya, Rwanda, Uganda, South Africa, to mention just a few, the total sum may shock you to near-death yourself!. And this not to mention the numbers of murders committed with modern weaponry by Western Christian military aggressors, in recent and not so recent history, including the two world wars, the Inquisition, Vietnam war, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya; and not to add the genocides perpetrated by Christians such as the Holocaust, Rwandan genocide, etc. And if you come closer home, one would like to see the accurate statistical data of all the murders committed in the last one calendar year by Christians in the Southern Nigeria - through armed robbery, assassinations, cultism, kidnappings, ritual killings, political thuggery, militancy, etc - and compare same with an equally accurate data of all the murders committed by Muslims in the North within the year. I believe if ALL MURDERS committed in the past one hundred years are to be classified according the the religions of the perpetrators, people like you who have been indoctrinated into thinking that Christians are such wonderful peaceful sub-species of human beings, because their religion 'preaches peace', would be faced with a very shocking reality; they would find that some really, really nasty and heinous acts of violent murders of innocent people have been committed by Christians - by far MORE than those committed by Muslims. The truth of the matter, I think, is that violence is part of human mature. Those of us who inherently have strong tendencies to be violent, and those who are arguably made to be so by the environment, regardless of their religious affiliations, would continue to find all sorts reasons to unleash their bestial brutality against the rest of the humanity. |
ajirebi20:Since I joined this forum, I have never read a post that has offended me as profoundly as this. Why would a sane and mature person insult someone's dear mother in this most obscene and vulgar way, and with such little or no direct personal provocation? I believe every decent person on this forum, regardless of his/her ethnic, religious and political background, would find this your post so, so repulsive and offensive!. And I am afraid, this kind of irresponsible use of language would only hurt you, not your victim, as many people would wonder how much respect you really have for your own mother to have insulted someone's mother this way. I hope you would be decent enough to apologize to all NLders (not only your victim) for this grossly repulsive, unnecessary insult of someone's dear mother. |
"Leader of the Movement for the Actualization of the Sovereign State of Biafra, MASSOB, Chief Ralph Uwazurike, yesterday, accused Commissioners of Police and military commanders of northern origin serving in the South East zone of being members of Boko Haram." This is like accusing senior police and military officers of Igbo origin serving in the North (including Abuja) of being clandestine members of the secessionist group MOSSOB. Pure stupidity or banal ethnic mischief - or both!. |
okada_man:You have done an excellent job summarizing so much stuff so concisely and accurately. I hope you have not returned your degree to the Education minister as you threatened to do in another post; I think you would serve Naija more by teaching English in a secondary school than by doing Okada (I am not belittling the valuable contributions of our hardworking Okada guys, though) |
lagerwhenindoubt:It so amazing how you put it almost exactly the way I wanted to do when I first saw the tittle of the thread. The response I formed in mind instantly was: I would rather have my state run broke on welfare than be looted crazy by a heartless, evil kleptomaniac of a politician. |
Poster, The way you bring tribalism into this tragic incident is quite sickening - and I am not Yoruba. It would have been much less offensive if you were to start a tribal debate on political issues, but this was simply a case of yet another innocent victim of our malfunctioning system who needlessly lost her life. If only you had given a little more thought to the simple fact that she was someone's mother, sister, daughter, auntie, etc! If only you had thought about her relatives and how they would feel if they were to read your thread and find how you so insensitively turned the tragic death of their beloved one into a subject of ethnic mischief! If only you had considered how much she was directly and indirectly an innocent victim of corruption and failed leadership in our country! |
gregg2:Majority of northern Muslims would say this exactly about OBJ and try to defend IBB. But the truth of the matter is that in any country where IBB could have been "rotting in prison or stoned to death for atrocities --corruption and human rights violation --", OBJ would have been given exactly the same treatment. They are both evil, corrupt and morally bankrupt 'leaders'. Most people are choosing between them mainly because of ethnic and/or religious sentiments. Such people are like saying, subconsciously, 'we know they are both sons of b.i.t.c#e$, but we would prefer OUR son of a b.i.t.c#' "He (IBB) should be thankful to OBJ for shielding him In such societies you are talking about, OBJ himself would need all the shielding in the world. |
Kc3000:. You made me burst into laughter - and I like the way you generally qualify your assertions in the post (probably, seem, etc), which speaks well of you and your level of enlightenment |
edicolove:It is a shame how some people can allow ethnic and/or religious bias to becloud their sense of judgement. A serving president threw all rules of presidential decorum and decency to the dogs and insulted the innocent father of a young artist in the crudest and most undignified manner, and live on a national television, simply because he was not happy with a song by the artist, yet you could not see anything unbecoming about that shamelessly uncouth and grossly unpresidential behaviour of the president!. Worse still, you even justified it on a weird logic that the artist 'should not have sang (sic) that silly song', as if the president of a country is personally responsible for meting out penalties to an artist that has allegedly erred, and as if a public verbal insult by the president, watched by thousands of Nigerian children, was the appropriate penalty. Some people would find your defence of that presidential misdemeanour as disgraceful as the national show of shame itself. |
Beaf:But if you are talking about those who criticize Jonathan on forums such as NL, Sahara Reporters, 234Next, etc, only a very tiny fraction of them are from the region, religion and the ethnic group you are alluding to. In fact some of those who criticize him today, for varying reasons, are not only Southerners and Christians like him, but are also as Niger Deltan as him. This shows that there are always some people who are by nature or nurture so fair-minded, so objective and so courageous that they do not find it any difficult to criticize a leader even if he belongs to their ethnic and religious group. But there are many others who are so blinded and consumed by ethnic, regional and religious sentiments that they cannot see even the most glaring shortcomings and failures of a leader that is 'one of their own'. I believe the latter category, unfortunately, seems to be in the majority in Nigeria, and would continue to be our bane as a nation. |
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noblezone:Very funny and witty. |
emiye:I may be wrong, but I think the idea that the Hausa-Fulanis would vote for a Yoruba man as president in 2015 simply because one of them is the VP seems a bit far-fetched. For one, the rejection of Buhari (and even Ribadu) by the SW in the last election might have left so much sour taste in the core North that majority of them would gleefully see the nomination of a Yoruba man (by any party) as presenting a good opportunity for them to 'pay back'. After all, the sophisticated Yorubas must have taught the Hausas (and others) that for some strategic considerations, you can reject a ticket (or even two) that has one of your kinsmen as a VP (CPC and ACN tickets) and vote for one that does not have your kinsman at all (PDP ticket). Another apparent obstacle for Fashola, or any Yoruba candidate for that matter, regardless of how qualified he might be, is the fact that many people across the other regions might feel that it is too soon for another Yoruba man to be president - after those eight loooong years of OBJ. |
Onlytruth:Your personal assessment of Ngige might be accurate, but what if Tinubu and Lai Mohammed get paid so handsomely again, in cash or in kind, and they make a Ribadu out of your favourite candidate after they adopted him? No matter how qualified you think Ngige is, it is quite possible, if not likely, that he might end up getting as much support among the Yorubas as Ribadu got in 2011, which was zero support! And even if we were to disregard what Tinubu might do or fail to do, I do not personally believe that an average Yoruba voter would trust an Ngige in 2015 more than he/she (dis)trusted a Ribadu in the last election. |
OmoLisabi:I think even the Hausa-Fulanis are now beginning to accept the possibility of Nigeria breaking up in not so distant a future. The nagging questions, however, are; in what manner is it going to break up? Into how many units ? Along what divides? And most importantly, ironically, which foreign powers would intervene, to what extent and in support of what - the breaking up process or preserving the unity of the country? So if and when your prayer is answered, the first few decades would be quite challenging for all the new 'nations' that would eventually spring up. Many people from all the new 'countries' might be remembering with nostalgia the imperfect federation that we all love to hate today. |
Quote from: otapiapia on Today at 01:07:41 AM "The truth of the matter is the Igbo stand a better chance in 2015 if they field a candidate under the ACN[which seem quite easier to achieve since the ACN will desperate to cast off it's 'tribal party' label by presenting an Igbo(Ngige)]." But what if Tinubu and co get paid so handsomely again, in cash or in kind, and they make a Ribadu out of the Igbo candidate they adopted? So even if Ngige were to be nominated by the ACN as its presidential candidate in 2015, he might end up getting as much support among the Yorubas as Ribadu got in 2011, which was zero! And even if we were to disregard what Tinubu might do or fail to do, I do not personally believe that an average Yoruba voter would trust an Ngige in 2015 more than he/she (dis)trusted a Ribadu in the last election. |
maclatunji:LOL ![]() |
Aloy-emeka: "Back in the 90's, drug deal and local 419 were controlled by Yorubas, Igbos were into international 419 while Hausas were into government looting. Today, 90% of advance fee fraud cases are perpetrated by Yorubas and drug deals are equally shared while the Hausas maintained their pace in looting" I do not know how you came to these percentages. But what any reasonable and unbiased person would easily find inaccurate in your assertions is the way you made looting of public funds appear as if it is simply specific to the Hausas. What about the Iboris, the Alamieyeseighas, The Aninis, the Tafa Baloguns, Bankoles, OBJs, the Adny Ubas, and many other non-Hausa public servants and politicians? I think looting of public funds in Nigeria, at all levels of government, cuts across ethnic, religious and regional boundaries. On the topic at hand, it would be difficult IMO to determine either way who are more into the drugs business and 419 between the Yorubas and the Igbos. Your percentages could only be convincing if you can show that either you or someone else has carried out a research into the issue. |
Eghost247: "enough with the tribalism igbo yoruba hausa the world knows him as nigerian" Yes, but the true of the matter is that many security and other officials of foreign governments are increasingly becoming aware of the fact that certain crimes are more typically committed by Nigerians from certain regions; just as they know it is more likely to expect another Abdul-Mutallab from the Northern part of Nigeria, they are also aware that it is more likely to catch a drug trafficker and a 419er from the Southern part of the country. |
Quote from: dayokanu on Yesterday at 09:49:22 PM "The home page experiment of the last 24 hours is now over. Thanks for your patience!" ~Bluetooth: "No wonder every silly thread makes it to the homepage courtesy of seun and his supreme ruling council" I have a feeling that this 'home page experiment' was not unconnected to what's happening in a court in Lagos; serious allegations against some prominent YRB leaders were made and somebody, somewhere, somehow doesn't want NLders' attention to remain focused on these allegations. So a plethora of silly topics were deliberately allowed onto the home-page in the past 48 hours to divert attention. The result? NLders' comments are now thinly scattered all over the place, including on these silly ones. And the biggest topic of the week, Al - Mustapha's revelations, only attracted some few pages of comments. Smart guys, you are. |
Where is Wole Soyinka ? Why wouldn't he call for GEJ to invoke FOI to unravel the truth about Abiola's death and the alleged trading of his mandate (and his life?) by some morally bankrupt Yoruba leaders? No wonder the Muslim Hausa-Fulanis have always viewed Soyinka as an ethnic champion who only marshals his big grammar and sentimentally harsh words of rebuke when attacking corrupt elite of Hausa-Fulani extraction. His deafening silence on this scandalous saga that has been unfolding in his backyard is so telling. |
Redsun:"Igbos have the uncanny ability of turning a forest into a home.Places like alaba in lagos were mere swamps,but today they are all booming multi million dollars commercial attractions". Peckhamboi: "There are over 1000 hectares of forest in Okija Shrine, turn it to Dubai first before thinkiing of ruling Lagos" I hope I would not appear as taking side, but I truly find the response from Peckhamboi quite sharp and humourous. |
I like the accommodating nature of the Yorubas and envy their knowledge and sophistication. I admire the self-belief of the Igbos and their entrepreneurial and trading acumen. I respect the Nupes for their respect for other tribes and for their humility and simplicity The few Tivs I happen to know strike me as hard-wording and trustworthy. The Kanuris, no one can beat them when it comes to hospitality - they would spoil you with their various delicious traditional dishes when they play host to you. |
