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Politics › Re: Tompolo Frees Kidnapped Journalists, As Itsekiris Call Jonathan A Coward by LogicPower(m): 11:45am On Nov 20, 2014

IYANGBALI:
1 billion likes and a lot of kiss kiss

Thank you, [size=5pt]and I enjoy the kiss kiss[/size]

Politics › Re: The Impending Betrayal Of Muhammadu Buhari by LogicPower(m): 11:14am On Nov 20, 2014

Evathyst:
If I were to describe ur response to dt meal-time joker named aribisala, I do simply say it's awesome. Ds are d kinda analysis dt made me an adherent of PROGRESSIVE POLITICS. Sir, God in his infinite mercy will bless u 4 ds fantastic rejoinder.

Waiting patiently for all SaTANic adherents to come and spew thr usual rubbish. By d time boko haram visits thr neighbourhood as a result of thr paymaster's GEJ 'I don't care' approach towards curbing d menace. Den, dem go know sey play play no dey moscow

Thank you my sister, and God bless you too.

Politics › Re: Sing The National Anthem In Your Language by LogicPower(m): 11:03am On Nov 20, 2014

oluvick:
I bet not many of us can sing our National Anthem in our native languages.

Here is mine!

Ese ikini

Dide eyin ara
Wa je'pe Nigeria
Ka fife sin lewa
Pelokun atigbagbo
Kise awon akoni wa
Ko mase jasasan
Ka sin tokan tara
Ile ominira wa
Lafia 'sodokan.

Ese keji

Olorun eleda
To ipa ona wa
F'ona han asaju
Kodo wa mo otito
K'ododo atife posi
Kaye wa je pipe
So wa deni mimo
K' alafia oun etole
Joba nile wa.

Now let us sing the National Anthem in your own native language!

Let's go...!

This is my attempt at singing it in my language, Sogwam.

Ragwap cuwa din,
Zobu-zubu iyach ku be
To bi lademu ashe Nigeria
ritutupe nyaya so labba
shemu ladini agimi do
karmeshi nikiji Nhaga ni
Yabido yalamo lakusan be
Taya gwbi-gwap son dap
Seybo ngi dam dare lo
Salmido-mid gam.

sibi lo

Gam don gash-gash pun
Dagiyo saki-sarmi do
Lagwo-ti paro nadim
Wali kam daga taya bamkin toro
Sharni gam daga rumbwo daci-ngiraci
Kuni sayip faham dum tir
Wajelo-wajisam gagi zamfatuwa sirbo
Kele nahimto bar zaci am kam buw tar
Sagi Yagi bam ago na.

Politics › Re: Three Female Police Officers Stripped In Public by LogicPower(m): 9:27am On Nov 20, 2014

I made a wholly innocuous comment on the first page of this thread and the post was displayed for an hour or so, before it strangely vanished into thin air!. And to add to the mystery, the post does not even show in the record of my posts under my profile.

I hope there is no any obnoxious creepy mod. on the loose, targeting certain posters and clandestinely deleting their comments.

Politics › Re: Three Female Police Officers Stripped In Public In Edo State by LogicPower(m): 3:11am On Nov 20, 2014*

Talkcentral:
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Three female police officers who went to make an arrest at Oregbeni quarters in Ikpoba-Okha local government area of Edo State were today beaten and stripped naked. And according to TheNation, the police officers are currently receiving treatment at an undisclosed hospital.

They were invited by a landlady in the area to arrest one of her tenants when a fracas ensued. Trouble started when the tenant insisted on taking her bath before going to the police station but the police officers said she should follow them. A fracas ensued and other residents in the area joined the tenant
to beat and strip the police officers.

The landlady who gave her name as Mrs. Okebuse said she invited the police because she had given the tenants quit notice. She said:
“When the police came to make arrest, they started fighting the police. I ran for my life and hid in the other compound.”
An eyewitness said the landlady uses police to harass her tenants.
“The woman was taking her bath and the police officers refused to allow the woman to take her bath,” the eyewitness said.
The state’s Police Commissioner, Foluso Adebanjo, who expressed disappointment at the attack, said the police would not take the attack lightly. Adebanjo said the attackers would be made to face the full wrath of the law. He said suspects arrested have already been charged to court.

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Although I do not in any way support the apparent misuse of the police officers in this case, which would not involve the police in a developed country, the manner in which nearly all mob attacks on female victims in Nigeria and other third world countries invariably involve the stripping of the female victims naked is utterly reprehensible.

Every mob attack is in itself barbaric enough, and for the perpetrators to accompany it with a bestial penchant for subjecting their female victims to the additional indignity of public unclothedness makes it even more brutish and primitive.

Politics › Re: Tompolo Frees Kidnapped Journalists, As Itsekiris Call Jonathan A Coward by LogicPower(m): 12:48pm On Nov 18, 2014

Djicemob:
Gej is an epic failure and coward
Tompolo should be rotten in jail somewhere by now if it was in sane country.

When I first read about Tompolo's threat on the president and Commander-in-Chief of the Nigerian armed forces, warning him not to dare attend that particular official function, I just considered it an empty threat, especially given that the event would be happening in an area of the country that GEJ should be feeling safest, amid his N Delatan people and just close to his birth place of Otuoke.

I never thought that a common criminal could so easily, with mere words, scare the shit out of the leader of the largest African country and force him to cancel an event at the last minute! We are indeed living in 'a cloud of shame', apology to Prof. Soyinka

Politics › Re: Nigeria Under A Cloud Of Shame- Soyinka by LogicPower(m): 10:42am On Nov 18, 2014

LogicPower:
"This cloud is made up of a sense of humiliation. We sent our children on an errand and they did
not return. The errand is what we are celebrating today. The errand was to prepare the children for today but they never
came back, that is what we cannot allow ourselves to forget." - Soyinka

I was so much touched by this powerful remark by Prof Soyinka that I had to struggle to suppress tears. It has such a poignantly piercing effect on me that it made me feel like I PERSONALLY somehow betrayed and failed these innocent girls and their helpless parents! Maybe we all betray them for just going about our normal life while they remain captives in the hands those evil monsters.

I feel even more saddened about the whole saga when I remember the reprehensible and despicable manner in which GEJ's goons were callously and viciously harassing decent and eminent Nigerians, men and women of conscience, who were so touched by the shocking incident that they spontaneously, and out of their sense of humanity and enlightened responsibility to children, felt they needed to do something to spur the government to expedite action towards rescuing the little girls before it was too late. But it is already too late for many of them perhaps.

And when the 'leader' of the government and his wife, and their clannish goons, did not even believe that the girls were kidnapped in the first place, and were even so openly intimidating anybody who believes they were, it is not even reasonable for anyone to expect such a government would have the focus, the clarity of purpose and the political will that were needed to mobilize the government machinery and resources promptly and speedily enough to stand any chance of getting the girls rescued before it was too late.

The case of the Chibok girls will surely be recorded in history as one of the spectacular cases of colossal failure, betrayal of trust and abdication of governmental responsibility. And the fact that the betrayed are youngsters, the most treasured of any society, makes it even more unpardonable.

Thank you so much Prof Soyinka, for pricking our conscience in such an effective way by bringing this issue to the fore again, and on such a significant and appropriate occasion.

Politics › Re: The Impending Betrayal Of Muhammadu Buhari by LogicPower(m): 10:34am On Nov 18, 2014

Raybiwhite:
Suddenly, the Tinubu brigadiers are now saying Buhari is too old to be president. Indeed, if elected, he would be Nigeria’s oldest president at 73. If he runs successfully for two terms, he would still be president at 81. The question-mark of Buhari’s age was hardly a hidden secret until now.

Nobody should pay any serious attention to Femi Aribisala postulations, upon which you opened this thread. As I exposed him in the post below, in the original thread you have copied to open this one, Femi's antics are well known:

" All his (Aribisala's) articles in the past one year have been almost invariably an attack on Tinubu, or a fallacious and unsound analysis on why the APC stands no chance against the PDP, or a shamelessly desperate psychological attempt to put a wedge in the budding political alliance between the SW and the North, the prospects of which threaten JEG and his cohorts more than anything else.

Any discerning observer of Femi Aribisala's recent writings can easily see through his pathetic boot-licking of the GEJ government, sometime even stooping to very lowly and shameless bigotry. A few examples:

1. "The Northern politicians clamouring for power after being starved of it for 16 years are not dying to do any favours for the South-West, given the eight years of Obasanjo’s presidency. They are dying to do favours for themselves. Once a Northern president is firmly installed in Aso Rock, they are going to stop returning Tinubu’s phone-calls." Femi Aribisala http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/01/bola-tinubu-want/

Can Femi dare tell the people of the SW what favours the South-South presidency of GEJ has been doing for the SW region and its people in the past 5 years? And how has GEJ been treating phone calls, and even letters, from OBJ, his SWestern political godfather, and that of Tinubu, who was also so instrumental in his victory? Can Femi tell us why OBJ felt it necessary to write his lengthy open letter to the non-Northern president in relation to the interests of the SW region?

2. " - The APC adventure marks the end of the road politically for Tinubu. It is downhill all the way for him from now on. The very things that made Tinubu successful in the South-West are bound to shipwreck him in the APC." Femi Aribisala
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/01/bola-tinubu-want/

Clearly, this betrays Femi as one of those who are so much pained about Tinubu's political status in today's Nigeria, hence he is so openly wishful of seeing 'the end of the road' for him politically and 'downhill all the way for him from now on'. Imagine this coming from someone who wants to be seen as a 'man of God'!

3. "Nigerians should not allow themselves to be deceived. There is no doubt that on the basis of merit alone, Goodluck Jonathan deserves another term in office. Few governments of Nigeria have been as purposeful as that of Goodluck Jonathan" Femi Aribisala
http://newswirengr.com/2014/10/14/femi-aribisala-what-exactly-is-clueless-about-goodluck-jonathan-2/#

For someone to have so immorally and unconsciously praised this obscenely corrupt and callously irresponsive and irresponsible administration of GEJ in this shameless manner only last month, and still believes he can advise the APC on who is their best candidate to defeat the 'purposeful' government of GEJ in the 2015 election, is simply delusional and narcissistic!"

Politics › Re: Nigeria Under A Cloud Of Shame- Soyinka by LogicPower(m): 7:14am On Nov 18, 2014

"This cloud is made up of a sense of humiliation. We sent our children on an errand and they did
not return. The errand is what we are celebrating today. The errand was to prepare the children for today but they never
came back, that is what we cannot allow ourselves to forget." - Soyinka

I was so much touched by this powerful remark by Prof Soyinka that I had to struggle to suppress tears. It has such a poignantly piercing effect on me that it made me feel like I PERSONALLY somehow betrayed and failed these innocent girls and their helpless parents! Maybe we all betray them for just going about our normal life while they remain captives in the hands those evil monsters.

I feel even more saddened about the whole saga when I remember the reprehensible and despicable manner in which GEJ's goons were callously and viciously harassing decent and eminent Nigerians, men and women of conscience, who were so touched by the shocking incident that they spontaneously, and out of their sense of humanity and enlightened responsibility to children, felt they needed to do something to spur the government to expedite action towards rescuing the little girls before it was too late. But it is already too late for many of them perhaps.

And when the 'leader' of the government and his wife, and their clannish goons, did not even believe that the girls were kidnapped in the first place, and were even so openly intimidating anybody who believes they were, it is not even reasonable for anyone to expect such a government would have the focus, the clarity of purpose and the political will that were needed to mobilize the government machinery and resources promptly and speedily enough to stand any chance of getting the girls rescued before it was too late.

The case of the Chibok girls will surely be recorded in history as one of the spectacular cases of colossal failure, betrayal of trust and abdication of governmental responsibility. And the fact that the betrayed are youngsters, the most treasured of any society, makes it even more unpardonable.

Thank you so much Prof Soyinka, for pricking our conscience in such an effective way by bringing this issue to the fore again, and on such a significant and appropriate occasion.

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Politics › Re: The Impending Betrayal Of Muhammadu Buhari by LogicPower(m): 3:12am On Nov 18, 2014

LogicPower:
You have described this Femi Aribisala so aptly!

All his articles in the past one year have been almost invariably an attack on Tinubu, or a fallacious and unsound analysis on why the APC stands no chance against the PDP, or a shamelessly desperate psychological attempt to put a wedge in the budding political alliance between the SW and the North, the prospects of which threaten the JEG and cohorts more than anything else.

Any discerning observer of Femi Aribisala's recent writings can easily see through his pathetic boot-licking of the GEJ government, sometime even stooping to very lowly and shameless bigotry. A few examples:

1. "The Northern politicians clamouring for power after being starved of it for 16 years are not dying to do any favours for the South-West, given the eight years of Obasanjo’s presidency. They are dying to do favours for themselves. Once a Northern president is firmly installed in Aso Rock, they are going to stop returning Tinubu’s phone-calls." Femi Aribisala http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/01/bola-tinubu-want/

Can Femi dare tell the people of the SW what favours the South-South presidency of GEJ has been doing for the SW region and its people in the past 5 years? And how has GEJ been treating phone calls, and even letters, from OBJ, his SWestern political godfather, and that of Tinubu, who was also so instrumental in his victory? Can Femi tell us why OBJ felt it necessary to write his lengthy open letter to the non-Northern president in relation to the interests of the SW region?

2. " - The APC adventure marks the end of the road politically for Tinubu. It is downhill all the way for him from now on. The very things that made Tinubu successful in the South-West are bound to shipwreck him in the APC." Femi Aribisala
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/01/bola-tinubu-want/

Clearly, this betrays Femi as one of those who are so much pained about Tinubu's political status in today's Nigeria, hence he is so openly wishful of seeing 'the end of the road' for him politically and 'downhill all the way for him from now on'. Imagine this coming from someone who wants to be seen as a 'man of God'!

3. "Nigerians should not allow themselves to be deceived. There is no doubt that on the basis of merit alone, Goodluck Jonathan deserves another term in office. Few governments of Nigeria have been as purposeful as that of Goodluck Jonathan" Femi Aribisala
http://newswirengr.com/2014/10/14/femi-aribisala-what-exactly-is-clueless-about-goodluck-jonathan-2/#

For someone to have so immorally and unconsciously praised this obscenely corrupt and callously irresponsive and irresponsible administration of GEJ in this shameless manner only last month, and still believes he can advise the APC on who is their best candidate to defeat the 'purposeful' government of GEJ in the 2015 election, is simply delusional and narcissistic!

Politics › Re: The Impending Betrayal Of Muhammadu Buhari by LogicPower(m): 2:48am On Nov 18, 2014*

soroptimist:
The writer of the said article is a charlatan extraordinaire!

His attempt at forceful 'notice me' by GEJ/PDP is the propelling catalyst behind all of his idiocy-laden write-ups

You have described this Femi Aribisala so aptly!

All his articles in the past one year have been almost invariably an attack on Tinubu, or a fallacious and unsound analysis on why the APC stands no chance against the PDP, or a shamelessly desperate psychological attempt to put a wedge in the budding political alliance between the SW and the North, the prospects of which threaten JEG and his cohorts more than anything else.

Any discerning observer of Femi Aribisala's recent writings can easily see through his pathetic boot-licking of the GEJ government, sometime even stooping to very lowly and shameless bigotry. A few examples:

1. "The Northern politicians clamouring for power after being starved of it for 16 years are not dying to do any favours for the South-West, given the eight years of Obasanjo’s presidency. They are dying to do favours for themselves. Once a Northern president is firmly installed in Aso Rock, they are going to stop returning Tinubu’s phone-calls." Femi Aribisala http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/01/bola-tinubu-want/

Can Femi dare tell the people of the SW what favours the South-South presidency of GEJ has been doing for the SW region and its people in the past 5 years? And how has GEJ been treating phone calls, and even letters, from OBJ, his SWestern political godfather, and that of Tinubu, who was also so instrumental in his victory? Can Femi tell us why OBJ felt it necessary to write his lengthy open letter to the non-Northern president in relation to the interests of the SW region?

2. " - The APC adventure marks the end of the road politically for Tinubu. It is downhill all the way for him from now on. The very things that made Tinubu successful in the South-West are bound to shipwreck him in the APC." Femi Aribisala
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/01/bola-tinubu-want/

Clearly, this betrays Femi as one of those who are so much pained about Tinubu's political status in today's Nigeria, hence he is so openly wishful of seeing 'the end of the road' for him politically and 'downhill all the way for him from now on'. Imagine this coming from someone who wants to be seen as a 'man of God'!

3. "Nigerians should not allow themselves to be deceived. There is no doubt that on the basis of merit alone, Goodluck Jonathan deserves another term in office. Few governments of Nigeria have been as purposeful as that of Goodluck Jonathan" Femi Aribisala
http://newswirengr.com/2014/10/14/femi-aribisala-what-exactly-is-clueless-about-goodluck-jonathan-2/#

For someone to have so immorally and unconsciously praised this obscenely corrupt and callously irresponsive and irresponsible administration of GEJ in this shameless manner only last month, and still believes he can advise the APC on who is their best candidate to defeat the 'purposeful' government of GEJ in the 2015 election, is simply delusional and narcissistic!

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Politics › Re: Dreaded Ombatse Leader Killed In Dawn Raid by LogicPower(m): 11:44pm On Nov 17, 2014

mekadinho:
God, I ll continue to thank you for not making me a Nort..herner. Alaigbo Mma Mma. Can someone pls help interpret, I am actually schooling in Germany, and we don't speak or write English.

Your sentiments as in bold are quite understandable, considering the senseless ethnic and religious bloodshed that has been happening in the Northern part of the country, which is made even worse in recent years by the almost daily mass killings by the BH savages.

But the irony of it is that, just as you thank God for making you from the particular ethnic group and region you come from, it may surprise you to learn that despite all the challenges the North is currently facing, you would NOT find a single Northerner (whether Eggon, Fulani, Berom, Tiv, Hausa, Kanuri, Jukun, or others) who would EVER WISH he/she were born an Igbo, or any other tribe different from their own!.

And this is simply because, no matter what, each one of us feels equally proud and thankful to God for making us belong to our respective tribes, just as you are so proudly attached to yours, and rightly too. Besides, just as you see so much gloom in the North as a result of what is happening there at the moment, a lot of Northerners from these violence-ravaged areas, as difficult as their life might be, would still NEVER like to have anything to do with your dear 'Alaigbo Mma Mma', simply because they perceive the prevalence of far greater and darker evils there.

That is what makes our human diversity so amazing, if only we can learn how to appreciate it, and respect our differences and live with them, especially since none of us is responsible for where and how we were brought into being in the first place!.

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Celebrities › Re: A Nairalander And His Twin... Meet Us!!! by LogicPower(m): 10:21pm On Nov 17, 2014

Freest:
Ok, just thought for a while how blessed i am to come to planeth earth double. Thought about my twin, she's been the bestest in the whole wide world. Just feel like sharing some of our pics together and separately, and wanna use this forum to tell her how much i love her, and appreciate her for coming to earth with me. If I'll come again, i choose to come with her a thousand times...
Enjoy!!!

You earn my respect for such a display of unbridled brotherly love for your cute and gorgeous twin sister! I wish you happy and successful life together, till the end.

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Politics › Re: I Am Not Anti-itsekiri — Jonathan by LogicPower(m): 8:57pm On Nov 17, 2014*

pendy79:
I am not Anti-itsekiri, I am only scared of TOMPOLO. He said I should not step Delta state and who am I to dare him.

SHEKAU did same in the North East, you can see I didn't go there too.

I don't like threats from civilians who know how to use guns.

When I read about an ethnic militant sending warning, publicly, to the president and Commander-in-Chief of the Nigerian armed forces telling him not to dare attend a publicly advertised official function that was to take place in the president's own native land, I just considered the threat to be empty, and thus ignored it.

It never occurred to me that the Nigerian nation was about to be subjected to the tormenting humiliation and indescribable embarrassment of witnessing their president cowering so sheepishly, shivering in his sweat-soaked fedora hat, as he cancelled the public function at the last minute! What a 'leader' !

Politics › Re: Rep Recommends Tambuwal-amaechi Ticket by LogicPower(m): 8:10pm On Nov 17, 2014

ISpiksDaTroof:
Poor, poor, foolish Nigerians taking advice from a part of the corrupt establishment on who should be their next President.

Without Buhari on that ballot--- and as President---it's gonna be business as usual and most of you will suffer like never before.

Everything I have warned yall about has come to pass i.e Do not vote GEJ, He will try to become life President by amending/ extending term limits, He is uber corrupt, He will use and frame Henry Okah, U.S will stop buying oil from Nigeria, Oil prices will fall drastically etc

Vote Tambuwal, Fashola, GEJ etc and watch your country go up in flames before fall of 2016.

What your country needs is someone that can go head on with the corrupt elements without fear or favor. These men above can't do it because they have their fingers soiled too.

Do yourselves a favor and vote Buhari or come back here in 2019 and complain about the same things you've been complaining about since 1999.

This is exactly what Dele Momodu's excellent piece is all about, sounding the same note of caution to APC leadership and Nigerians regarding Tambuwal as follows:

(!) "He was my first choice over a year ago but he has become an after-thought to his promoters who ditched him earlier."
(!!) "Those dragging him into the Presidential race at this late hour are doing so purely for selfish reasons."
(!!!) "Even a novice would know that the race ahead is an unusual one that would be fought like a third world war."
(!V) "It requires a well-tested combatant."
(V) "If APC picks Tambuwal, his exit from the PDP is still too recent and clinically fresh that the Federal Government
would have more than enough rope to tie around his neck."
(V!) "I would advise him to pick his Gubernatorial form and wait for another day."

And on why the corrupt Nigerian elite of all tribes, regions and religions are so bent on preventing the emergence of a Buhari presidency come 2015, you echoed exactly the same views as Momodu:

"The Nigerian Mafioso is united in its pathological hatred and/or trepidation for Buhari. Despite the fact that Buhari would have to govern under a different democratic climate, those folks are still scared to their pants about what Buhari’s government portends for members of the privilegentsia. As a matter of fact, this is the veritable source of all smear campaign and fear-mongering against Buhari." - Dele Momodu

https://www.nairaland.com/1998559/dele-momodu-note-caution-apc#28039134

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Politics › Re: Why Tinubu Dumped Buhari For Tambuwal by LogicPower(m): 12:37pm On Nov 17, 2014

OrlandoOwoh:
This is why I love the APC, they allow the speculation and propaganda of the PDP over who emerges their presidential candidate to serve as a means of getting public opinion. So far, public opinion has been gotten on age, region, religion, etc. This will give the APC a wider picture of what Nigerians really want.

But unfortunately, some cunning pro-JEG elements among the NL mods use their positions to surreptitiously and craftily stifle enlightened debate on the relevance or otherwise of age, region and religion in our collective yearning for a good, responsive and responsive government that would cater for the welfare of the majority, instead of the few privileged ones.

Although I do not easily subscribe to conspiracy theories (and I can recognize one, when I see it), yet I am becoming more and more convinced that the crafty pro-GEJ NL mods cunningly muzzle voices of opposition to the GEJ government, thereby defeating the whole essence of a forum like this. Or else, how can one explain the systematic killing of debate on two recent brilliant pieces by Dele Momodu and Sonala?

Politics › Re: As Easy As PDP (to Defeat) By Sonala Olumhense - A Must Read !!! by LogicPower(m): 12:14pm On Nov 17, 2014

pendy79:
Who is the finger itching mod who hid my comment on this post. I asked why this post is not on front page if personal opinions are worth front page.

Olisa agbakoba gave a constitutional opinion despite being a maritime lawyer it flew to front page, an erudite professor of constitutional law gave a contrary and informed opinion but it was left to wallow in the Politics section.

What rule have I broken to warrant my post being hidden?

Move this thread to front page or we should accept that only opinion in favour of the PDP deserves to be there, so we don't bother asking

Gbawe:
Bro, we are used to this sort of abuse of power. It is the Nigerian way after all. We are a people, despite conventional education, still emotionally and democratically immature. The notion of behaving in a just and equitable manner always is not something some Nigerians are ready to accept let alone live by.

This is one of the reason the poor and disenfranchise do not currently have a voice or strong representation in Nigeria. The Nigerian elite, in positions of influence same as the mods and the owner of Nairaland enjoy, abuse their powers and use it to intolerantly muzzle the wishes, opinion, voices and aspirations of the Nigerian people. I accept what Nairaland is and you will notice I am never found complaining here. This is because I know that the supporters of GEJ who run this forum will never prevent future development that are meant to be. GEJ is a terrible President Nigerians want to see the back of. The discriminatory antics of Nairaland administrators will not change anything.

Although I hardly ever subscribe to conspiracy theories (and I can recognize one, when I see it), I am now convinced, more than ever before, that some cunning pro-JEG elements among the NL mods use their positions to surreptitiously and craftily stifle enlightened voices of opposition to the GEJ government, thereby defeating the whole essence of a forum like this. Or else, how can one explain the systematic killing of debate on two brilliant pieces by Dele Momodu and Sonala?

Politics › Re: As Easy As PDP (to Defeat) By Sonala Olumhense - A Must Read !!! by LogicPower(m): 6:17pm On Nov 16, 2014*

banki:
.....

I still ask myself how we got ourselves in this mess.....

We all knew that for two years as governor of bayelsa.....He kept giving excuses how he was only continuing the job his predecessor started blah blah
As acting president of Nigeria he couldn't even stand up to Turai Yaradua and her cohorts in the same ASO rOCK

I don't expect him to to stand up to shekau.....
just 3days ago Tompolo threatned the president and nothing happened instead the president chickend out and didn't go to warri

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Your question in bold is not difficult to answer.

First, among those who voted the clueless in 2011, there were many who genuinely, albeit naively, believed that he actually represented a clean break from the inglorious past; hence they perceived him as a harbinger of 'fresh air'. But he has now proved to them that he can even hand the ministerial slot of any state to the most evil and most corrupt character from that state if he perceives that could enhance his electoral chances in that state.

Second, there were many, among those who voted for him, who were enlightened and discernible enough to know that he would not make a good president, simply because of his antecedents; they were fully aware that as a deputy governor, governor and VP, he exhibited enough worrying traits of weakness, cluelessness, indecisiveness, pandering to the corrupt elite, or even being part of the corrupt system himself, yet out of ethnic sentiments, they decided to vote for him as a lesser evil, the bigger evil being a Northerner, whoever he might be.

Third, there were also the religious bigots, who simply voted for him because he is a Christian, just as some equally bigoted Muslims in the North would not hesitate to vote for a corrupt character, like Atiku, against a Christian candidate who is not so tainted by corruption. Although the corrupt elite of Nigeria (Christians and Muslims) have been exploiting these religious divide among us to their personal advantages, our clueless leader and his cohorts in CAN deliberately, and most cynically and dangerously, have been exacerbating it for political gains, knowing how gullible the Nigerian masses are when it comes to religion.

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Politics › Re: Why Tinubu Dumped Buhari For Tambuwal by LogicPower(m): 3:04am On Nov 16, 2014

Abagworo:
The reason why the rich are scared of Buhari is his uprightness and nothing more. The corrupt elite believe Buhari will kill their empire. Especially IBB.

Exactly.

The corrupt Nigerian elite, be they Hausa-Fulanis, Igbos, Yorubas, Kanuris, Tivs, Ijaws or whoever, can go to anything length in their desperate efforts to stop the emergence of Buhari as the next Nigerian president.

In fact the fear of Buhari is a singular unifying factor that binds all the thieving Nigerian elite, regardless of their party affliations, ethnic or religious differences. They are all equally worried and fearful of the unknown: what would be the fate of all the massive ill-gotten investments that they have been cornering all these years, for themselves and their families only, at the expense of the long-suffering Nigerian masses and their children?

This is how Dele Momodu succintly puts it:

"The Nigerian Mafioso is united in its pathological hatred and/or trepidation for Buhari. Despite the fact that Buhari would have to govern under a different democratic climate, those folks are still scared to their pants about what Buhari’s government portends for members of the privilegentsia. As a matter of fact, this is the veritable source of all smear campaign and fear-mongering against Buhari."

https://www.nairaland.com/1998559/dele-momodu-note-caution-apc#28039134

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Politics › Re: Dele Momodu: A Note Of Caution To APC by LogicPower(m): 6:18pm On Nov 15, 2014

Awesome and flawless analysis, with all the points so succinctly, logically and plausibly expressed.

For those are too mentally lazy to read the whole of this intellectually unassailable masterpiece, or too dull and clueless to comprehend it, I hereby shorten notate it for you, retaining verbatim and in quotes all the original sentences of Momodu:.

- "Our current crop of leaders has learnt how to keep us permanently in bondage. They are efficient at chaining us down like dogs with three heavy padlocks: money, ethnicity and religion. The average Nigerian would always swallow their bait hook, line and sinker. But the discerning ones amongst us can see better today that we must rise above those primordial sentiments and rescue this rudderless ship regardless of our political affiliations."

- "There are not too many options left to us. The first is to allow the charade called PDP to continue dribbling us endlessly with no hope of any, not to talk of monumental, achievement now or in the future."

- "I’m bold enough to admit that APC is not our IDEAL alternative. The Party suffers its own contradictions but in the Party lays flashes of hope and new vistas of opportunities."

- "The sheer possibility of sacking the unfortunate behemoth called PDP is enough to drive the fear of God into present and future politicians in Nigeria."

- "I’m reasonably convinced that PDP is incapable of changing the way it is presently configured but APC still has a good chance of re-inventing itse(not least because it is a reconfigured Party and is therefore not overly burdened by the past) -- if the ubiquitous godfathers allow good counsel and common-sense prevail."

Momodu on Buhari:

- - "No Nigerian currently has his cult-followership. He has ostensibly become an idol of sorts to many Nigerians old or young, an Icon to be emulated. He suffers three major setbacks:
(!) "The first is on account of his age. If he gets the ticket, he would be running against a much younger PDP candidate,
President Jonathan."
(!!) "The second issue about Buhari is on religion. He’s perceived to be a Muslim fundamentalist, an allegation that has not been
proven by his accusers till this day;"
a. "Buhari has related well with Christians all his life."
b. "His first daughter was married to an Igbo man, a Christian."
c. "Both his drivers and cook were Christians."
d. "He allowed Christians to observe free days on Sundays and told Muslims they can’t
be exempted from work on Fridays because there was no such mandate in the Koran.
e. "As Head of State, he even reduced the number of Muslims going on holy pilgrimage by half in order
to find money for developing the nation.
(!!!) "The third issue is psychological in nature: the fear factor.
a. "The Nigerian Mafioso is united in its pathological hatred and/or trepidation for Buhari."
b. "Despite the fact that Buhari would have to govern under a different democratic climate, those folks are
still scared to their pants about what Buhari’s government portends for members of the privilegentsia"
c. "As a matter of fact, this is the veritable source of all smear campaign and fear-mongering against Buhari."
d. "But APC has more than enough technocrats in and outside its fold to help Buhari do his job in a civilised manner."
e. "There is no doubt that PDP is hoping that APC would indulge in some fanciful experimentation by picking
a candidate less formidable than Buhari.
e. "I will not write off the chances of other aspirants but none could be brighter than that of Buhari."
f. "In Buhari, APC has a ready candidate who can go to the battlefield with passionate troops."
h. "The almost bizarre and blistering attack against Buhari is symptomatic of one fact; that he is the best choice
against a Party as entrenched as PDP."

Momodu on other APC candidates:

Atiku:- "I believe the ship of Atiku has almost hit the rocks after sailing repeatedly in the stormy sea of PDP.

Kwankwaso:- " - his boat is not yet big enough to navigate in the wild waters of Nigeria".

Tambuwal:-
(!) "He was my first choice over a year ago but he has become an after-thought to his promoters who ditched him earlier."
(!!) "Those dragging him into the Presidential race at this late hour are doing so purely for selfish reasons."
(!!!) "Even a novice would know that the race ahead is an unusual one that would be fought like a third world war."
(!V) "It requires a well-tested combatant."
(V) "If APC picks Tambuwal, his exit from the PDP is still too recent and clinically fresh that the Federal Government
would have more than enough rope to tie around his neck."
(V!) "I would advise him to pick his Gubernatorial form and wait for another day."

Momodu's advice/warning to APC leaders:

(!) "APC has the brightest chance ever of dislodging PDP and that is why the stakes are so high."
(!!) "The control freaks in the Party should kindly give Nigeria this one chance."
(!!!) "The country has been very kind to them (i.e. the control freaks)".
(!v) "There is nothing more they should desire other than a greater nation before they all depart this sinful world. Who knows the
appointed date and hour with our Creator when we shall all return to account for our good or evil deeds on earth!"
(v) "Let’s all join hands and make this dream realisable even if we won’t be the direct beneficiaries at the end of the day."
(v!) "The time has come for the APC to make up its mind about winning the next election at the centre or whether to waste
everybody’s time and sell out to the highest bidder."
(v!) "It is one poser that would haunt the APC apparatchik in the future if they mismanage this incredible opportunity."
(v!!) "I can see something wonderful in my crystal-ball: what APC is looking for in Sokoto (the far end of North West Nigeria) is right
"there in their sokoto (trouser pocket).
(v!!) "May God open their eyes soon enough."

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Politics › Re: 2015: Jonathan Schemes For S’west Votes by LogicPower(m): 11:54am On Nov 15, 2014

oduastates:
This man squandered his goodwill by going the way of the oppressors. The
Subsidy theft and subsequent removal
Elevation of convicts across the country
Empowerment of rejected abacha era sycophant
Destruction of governing institutions
Highest level of corruption ever
Enslavement of the people with IMF/ World bank policies
Monumental theft from the treasury.
Lack of control over subordinates.
Reduction of the country to medieval existence.
Clan mentality.
Insecurity and bloodshed all over.
Turning Nigeria into a global object of derision.
Spreading of poverty all over.

All this means that the urban living SW are not going to buy his BS.
His paid trolls on nairaland have also hardened the resolve of most omoluabis here to participate actively this time around.

You have said it all.

When the garrulous, unrefined and boorish Asari Dokubo, Edward Clark and some other hate-filled and bigoted elements from the SS/SE started to run amok in their incessant crude and clannish attacks on the people of the SW and the Northern regions, all in the name of 'supporting' GEJ, the president never seemed to have realized the extent to which such ethic and religious attacks from the Asaris and the Clarks could jeopardise his re-election bid - hence, he never even pretended to publicly denounce such insults and call his pack of wild attack dogs to order.

Now that the time of reckoning is fast approaching, they are all becoming jittery!.

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Politics › Re: Why Did Buhari Sentence Fela Kuti To 10 Years In Prison? by LogicPower(m): 7:47am On Nov 11, 2014*

docadams:
Most of the youths loved Fela in those day mostly because he was a non conformist ready to 'yab' the government of the day. He was law unto himself while alive. He serially broke laws without minding the consequences.
The law then said you cannot have more than £50 or so on you at the point of checking out and he had £1600 on him then. A law abiding person would have simply given each member of the team his share before reaching custom. But not Fela. He wont allow such.

When I was at university, like almost every other student at the time, I was such a fanatical fan of Fela- for exactly the same reason you mentioned here as highlighted. And like millions of other fans of Fela, I felt really bad when our musical hero was jailed by the Buhari regime. Although Fela broke a law, which we all knew he often did, we expected the military junta to 'tamper justice with mercy' but to our disappointment, they didn't.

But even if the incarceration of Fela were to be considered as an act of state injustice and callousness by a military regime under Buhari's leadership, the current situation we are witnessing - of wanton destruction of lives and properties of thousands of innocent Nigerians (of all religious and ethnic backgrounds) and the unprecedented levels of corruption that have been happening under the GEJ's watch - is far worse, and much more atrocious and unforgivable.

I would rather vote for a leader who, in his determined and honest efforts to fight corruption and ensure discipline, would commit a mistake like that of jailing Fela, debatably unfairly, than vote for a 'leader' who would look the other way, and shrug in an I-don't-give-a-damn attitude, as the BH savages continue to spill so much blood of thousands of innocent people and the corrupt elite bask in unprecedented governmental protection.

I am sure if Fela were to be alive today and be given a choice between re-serving the number of days he spent in prison under the Buhari regime and witnessing the current destruction of lives and properties, and the massive corruption taking place under the GEJ's administration, I believe he would choose the respectable and altruistic option of re-serving the jail term and save the lives of the ordinary people who are slaughtered daily as they are betrayed and abandoned by a 'leader' who is so callously unconcerned about their plights.

I fully agree with Dr. Paul Unongo, a former minister and a leading politician in Benue, who concludes that GEJ is a "disaster" to this country. He describes GEJ's nonchalant attitude in protecting the peoples he swore to protect, and his preoccupation with his election, as "immoral" and "sinful".

Link: http://www..com.ng/index.php/political-news/item/1187-jonathan-a-disaster-to-nigeria-unongo

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Politics › Re: Yoruba In The Hands Of Gen Buhari When He Was The Head Of States by LogicPower(m): 2:19am On Oct 29, 2014*

xtervaganza:
it is incredibly moronic for you to say buhari is not corrupt.

Where did he get the billions he has spent on his eternal failed mission to become president?

Stop fooling yourself cos you ain't fooling nobody here

Buhashit (Buhari) is just as corrupt as jonathan

I don't think even GEJ and PEJ themselves can honestly believe in their hearts of hearts that "Buhari is as corrupt as Jonathan"

You may like GEJ and prefer him to GMB for your own personal reasons, and in fact the former may even be a better candidate than the latter in some respects, but when it comes to corruption and attitudes towards the corrupt elite, it would be utterly absurd for anybody to even try to compare the two. They belong to two entirely different worlds!

And even if billions were spent in the political campaigns of Buhari, I don't think any reasonable person would believe that
Buhari himself provided those 'billions' from his own personal money. If he is such a multi-billionnaire, he wouldn't have become so widely and universally reputed to be an icon of honesty, incorruptibility and integrity, and he would have surely long been exposed by the powers-that-be.

Even the worst of his online haters have so far failed to dig up any proven case of corruption and personal enrichment against the general, hence they often find it much easier to paint him as a 'religious extremist', which whether proven or not can still stick in the minds of the most gullible, the least informed and the rabid and incorrigible religious and ethnic bigots among the ordinary folks.

Politics › Re: Yoruba In The Hands Of Gen Buhari When He Was The Head Of States by LogicPower(m): 8:29pm On Oct 28, 2014*

Gbawe:
Thank you. I laugh when I see these desperate efforts at pathetic scaremongering obviously aimed at frightening the pivotal SW from voting Buhari. I will advise OP and his ilk to stop wasting their own time. The Yorubas, when election is free and fair, will not tolerate or indulge misrule. We only need to look at the decimation of the PDP in the SW in 2011, where even the daughter of former President OBJ could not win the ward outside her father's house, to know that the folks of the SW will always reject misrulers.

Jonathan is no longer the "boy with no shoes" or "fresh air". Nigerians have seen him in action over 5 years to know he is hideously corrupt,highly inept and a divisive misruler. He has no goodwill left in the SW because he has failed Nigeria monumentally and also encouraged his minions (Dokubo Asari et al) to wage an abusive ethnic war of attrition against the Yorubas. I can't speak for others but I know the Yorubas will not abide with GEJ to then give him 4 more years. OP and others should find better things to do with their time.

Excellent points, as always!

There were dozens of former governors, ministers, business people of Muslim Hausa-Fulani origin who were similarly jailed by the Buhari regime. Just a few examples:

1. Umar Dikko, a Muslim Hausa Fulani scion and arguably the most influential northern politician at the time, was unprecedentedly pursued up to his UK hiding place, abducted by the Nigerian security agents, bundled and literally 'boxed' and almost got smuggled back to Nigeria - to account for his alleged corruption during the Shagari regime.

2. Isyaku Rabiu, arguably one of the richest ever Hausa Fulani businessmen, and one of the most highly respected Islamic scholars as well (he is indeed one of the leading Tijaniyya Sheikhs in West Africa), was not only thrown to jail at the time but even got one of his legs reportedly broken by the security agents in the process of his arrest, probably after his hundreds of supported tried to prevent him from being arrested.

3. Another super-rich northern businessman in Kaduna, late A Haruna Dan-ja, also a Muslim Hausa Fulani, was equally arrested and thrown into jail (both Sheikh Isyaku Rabiu and Danja were allegedly implicated in corrupt practices that were considered harmful to the national economy, such as misuse of import licences, hoarding of essential commodities, etc.).

4. Late Sabo Bakin Zuwa, a former governor of Kano state, was sentenced to 300 years in jail WITH HARD LABOUR by a Kaduna military tribunal, after which he was rumoured to have 'begged' the tribunal for more years, saying that 'mere 300 years' were not enough! LOL

5. A prominent businessman of Katsina origin, a Hausa-Fulani Muslim, who had been allegedly aiding and abetting cross-border smuggling between Nigeria and Niger for many years prior to the coming of the Buhari regime, and who was so well connected in the country, had to hide in the ceiling of his house when security agents swooped his home in the dead hours of the night; they evacuated all his family members and spent hours looking for him. He eventually had to run to the Republic of Niger where he took refuge!

6. A very influential former ambassador of Kaduna state origin, a Hausa Muslim, is STILL living in the capital of a Western country, apparently too traumatized and frightened to return to Nigeria, having been implicated in a massive corruption case back then.

Like in the cases of Southern politicians, almost all of the northern Hausa-Fulani politicians jailed during Buhari regime were NEVER FREED until AFTER the Buhari regime was overthrown. The fugitives among them also never returned until after the overthrow of the Buhari's government (a few never returned to date!). Whoever is old, enlightened and honest enough should know all this, as it was very much a public knowledge.

In fact, immediately after the ouster of the Buhari regime, hundreds of friends, relatives and business associates of Sheikh Isyaku Rabiu trooped to his Kano residence and started frenzied celebrations and special prayers in anticipation of the release of their billionaire Sheikh.

What many people in the South do not seem to know is the fact that the corrupt among the Hausa Fulani Muslim elite hate and fear a Buhari government as much as the Christian bigots and tribalists would hate it, but for different reasons. While the latter group hate Buhari for nothing other than sheer religious bigotry and incurable tribalism, the former fear the general because they know very well that it would never be business as usual for them under a Buhari-led government - being a Muslim and a Hausa-Fulani would NOT shield anyone of them from being held accountable!

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Education › Re: Celebrating Great Ife @ 50 by LogicPower(m): 4:23pm On Feb 09, 2012

ola_pluto:
In all our celebrations, let us remember Obafemi Awolowo. When others were using the money from oil boom to build empires and strengthen caliphates, he build Cocoa house, NTA and Great Ife! Today, how many universities can compete with OAU's infrastructure?

The bolded can only succeed in detracting from the excellent celebratory mood that we have all along been enjoying about this great university; you are the first poster to come up with a comment that obviously verges on an unnecessary, provocative ethnic baiting.

It is a shame that you could not sing all those praises of Awo's visionary leadership of his people, which was acknowledged by all and sundry, without casting any uncharitable aspersions on other peoples' leaders, whom may be equally respected and revered by their respective peoples.

Crime › Re: Two 9-day-old Babies Abducted By Gunmen In A Private Hospital In Imo by LogicPower(m): 1:30pm On Dec 03, 2011

Unspeakably horrible!

To storm a maternity ward of a hospital with heavy weapons and kidnap nine-day old babies in their cots, separating them from their biological mothers when they need the latter most, is PURE AND UNMITIGATED EVIL!

It must have been a horrendous nightmare for the affected mothers; just after coming out of the untold physical and emotional trauma of pregnancy and Cesarean section, this gang of heartless scumbags subjected them to this hellishly terrible experience, which, coupled with their other problems, can precipitate them into a form of postnatal depression.

I am not a supporter of death penalty, but I would not mind if I were to see these evil and heartless criminals apprehended, tried and sentenced to death for this particularly heinous crime.

Business › Re: Failure To Remove Fuel Subsidy Will Lead To Economy Collapse – GEJ by LogicPower(m): 11:18pm On Oct 25, 2011

Remii:
This was the same way Babangida forced all his SAP conditionalities on us, saying that we just have to have them or Nigeria collapse, we all know what happened to Naira and Nigeria since then.

Even America has subsidy in her economy, steel and cotton are highly subsidized in the US or else their industry would collapse.

You just 'took it from my mouth', as some posters would say.

Yes, it is quite reminiscent of IBB's era when his govt was under similar pressure from IMF/World bank to take their deadly concoction of the so-called 'structural adjustment programme (SAP), selling it as the only medicine for our country's economic malaise.

Just like GEJ is doing now, his 'father' IBB was also then regurgitating exactly this kind of rubbish he had been spoon-fed by his Western masters, that there was "no alternative to SAP".

Now, all those who naively thought that it was GEJ who had personally wanted the return of Okonja Iweala so desperately, or it was his own personal idea to give her so much powers and influence in determining the direction of his economic policies, must have realized that she was not brought back to Nigeria in order to serve the interests of ordinary Nigerians, to the detriment of the interests of her Western masters!.

And as we all know, her all-powerful real masters in the West are so ruthless and mean when it comes to protecting and promoting their vested interests, hence they wouldn't give a hoot about the increased widespread hardships and sufferings such a measure is bound to cause to the ordinary Nigerians, who are already groaning under severe poverty and acute lack of functioning infrastructure.

And since it would take the courage of a 'super-lion' or a 'super-general' to even try to resist the awesomely powerful forces of economic imperialism and neocolonialism, as represented by IMF and World Bank; and since our president lacks the courage of even an ordinary lion or an ordinary general, we should not expect him to even try to resist such a pressure from the West to remove the oil subsidy, no matter our outcry and outrage.

We all remember how he was so full of pride and delight that he was praised by Obama and two African leaders at the last UN general assembly meeting.

So Obama, Sarkozy, Cameron would only need to keep praising him, and he would gleefully look the other way, while Iweala dutifully implements their economic agendas, to their neocolonialist and imperialist benefits and to the detriment of our people and our nation.

Fresh Air for us, ordinary Nigerians! And even FRESHER air for our children and grand children indeed!

Politics › Re: Nigerians Are Greedy And Selfish - Gov Sule Lamido by LogicPower(m): 8:17pm On Oct 22, 2011

Kilode?!:
This question about Nigerian greed or whatever is one of my favorite benchmarks for judging a Nigerian public commentator. With this response, Sule Lamido scored very low mark on my scale. I'm not surprised though.

This is a silly argument. There is a reason why human wisdom created the concept of government, organized society, laws and punishment. Edmund Burke put it best in one of my favorite quotes [see below]. it is silly to think individuals will act right and be unselfish in the absence of a properly organized society with well enforced rules and regulations.

Did you create a law to punish him for that? Are you enforcing it?

Do you have a tax code? Are you enforcing it?

Rules and it's enforcement is the job of government and leadership. Not the ordinary man on the street. That was why the wisdom of man created government.

Now this argument brings a kind chicken and egg situation: Which comes first? People or the government system? I'll say it's not important, they are both with us, let those with the power and responsibility -in this case government leaders, do their jobs.

The Taxi Driver that you fail to punish is not the problem. It's rational for him to cheat if there are no consequences. It's irrational for you to expect him not to.

This argument betrays an ideological weakness. Blame those with the power and responsibility to lead and ensure societal order.

It is arrogant and naive to think humans will not act selfishly.

If you drop Japanese people into this Nigerian System, in a short time, majority will act like that driver. Nigerians are not inherently greedier or more selfish than other humans. The system is poorly managed. Opari!

Government is a contrivance on human wisdom to provide for human wants, men have a right that these wants should be provided for by this wisdom -Edmund Burke

Spot on!

You have completely demolished the gov's feeble argument that attempted to shift the blame from the government to the governed, so unconvincingly.

To me, you simply came up as a much better-informed than the governor.

I always find it doubly offensive and grossly insensitive, like adding salt to a man's injury, for a Nigerian politician to blame the ordinary Nigerians, who are like a people inextricably trapped in a huge derelict structure that is gradually but steadily collapsing on them, for what is clearly a case of governmental failure and irresponsibility.

To see a bunch of corrupt politicians oppress and impoverish their people so badly in a country that is so rich is reprehensible enough; and to hear such morally bankrupt politicians blaming the very victims of their corruption makes it even more nauseatingly abhorrent!

Politics › Re: Corruption Has Reached Endemic Stage In Nigeria – Onosode by LogicPower(m): 10:47am On Oct 14, 2011

felifeli:
When even Mr (or chief, or professor or, ) Onosode cannot even tell the difference between "endemic" and "epidemic" the country is really in serious Poo

Could you kindly share your thoughts with us on this, please?

Politics › Re: Why The North And West Hate Igbos So Much? by LogicPower(m): 11:33pm On Oct 13, 2011

onye_okwu: " igbos are the light of this nation and we all knows it"

alj harem: "if so, then very good for the igbos and Nigerians, at least we have a source of light in this dark nation".

Excellent, sharp and witty response. I can't think of a better one.

Politics › Re: Police Detectives Storm The Nation's Office & Arrest Four Editors by LogicPower(m): 12:36pm On Oct 12, 2011

Demdem: "The typical Nigerian Police style. why dont u think of it this way:
O yes, the President knows all letters on his desk and he noticed that one critical one is missing and wants to know the mole in his office"

Beaf: "The more reason why the perpetrators need to be locked away and questioned by the security services. They cannot play games with the Presidents office, that is subversion, a serious offence which carries a hefty punishment. There are really no kind words to describe what the Nation did. Those editors are in real trouble indeed."

Demdem: "very Good but that is a different story entirely. The issue at hand is if the letter in question is fake or not. If the above scenario is true, (i.e. a mole stole and leaked the letter to the paper) then the letter is real and not fake.
also if this scenario is true, i see nothing wrong in what these journalists have done. the only person that needs to be punished is the mole in the President's office simple"

Demdem, you have clearly and aptly demonstrated how awesome and formidable the power of logic is, by this your simple deductive reasoning.

And the best thing about logic is that it is intrinsically objective, constant and neutral; the value of your argument, for instance, would remain the same regardless of the side of the debate on which you are, as far as Beaf's premises are concerned.

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