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Neimar:
Ronaldo not to score oo

Winning is the Priority. Scoring is a bonus. He wants to be the first player to win the champions league (in current format) a record 5 times, which I'm sure he'll choose over becoming the first player to score in four CL finals, if given the choice.

Every true Madrid fan would rather he gets both. If he becomes the first to have a CL hattrick, even better; since Liverpool have the worst defense of all the teams he's played against in the final.

Hala Madrid!
#APorLa13

-Lord

Paperwhite:
President Muhammadu Buhari, earlier this week, terminated a new defence procurement contract initiated by the members of his cabinet over allegations of fraud...

Biko, post this as its own thread. Don't know why people can't take the extra few minutes to edit an OP properly.

But why now? Why would they wait until now to cancel the contract. If all the Presidency wanted was their share, they'd have let it go ahead and discuss with Ameachi, after all they reached a similar multi-billion naira deal with the principal members of the senate.

Maybe the rumors that the Presidency is falling out with Amaechi has some substance to it. Not sure about the reason. Amaechi is a powerful enemy to have, not because of his electoral value (that's gone now, not that he ever had that per se), but because of the war chest he's acquired as a super Minister with an outrageous budget.

Or maybe they think they don't need contributed cash anymore because of obvious reasons.

-Lord

Miremoses1:
4-3-3 or 4-4-2, I don't really care. To beat a team like Liverpool, we just have to hold on to the ball more and keep possession.

I get your point, and I heartily endorse it. But I'd rather we didn't suffer like we did in the last 3 CL games. I want me some Cardiff repeat.

-Lord

Miremoses1:
the way goals will rain from both ends tonight. It won't be funny. Hope Ramos co-ordinates our defense a little bit

We are winning tonight

Personally, I don't fancy the whole end-to-end setup. Not necessarily because Liverpool could potentially outscore us, but because it plays to their strengths, and we shouldn't be doing that.

If this game gets to 60" and we are still at parity, we win. If it goes to extra time, we win. If it goes to pen, we win. The Liverpool plan is to have us chase the game. They aren't looking to break down our defense by intricate passing from the back through the midfield (a la Barca), they want to create chances simply by geggenpressing. Hoping that as many of our march forward turn to breaks for them.

So instead of trying to flood their area, how about we keep possession, using our exceptional passing to evade their press and try to pick our moments. They'd get sick of it and become restless/reckless. We know how to manage games, we shouldn't give them what they want.

That's exactly how Chelsea, Tott, and Man U got them. Guardiola tried to be a fanatic 3 times, he failed every time.

-Lord

Miremoses1:
Guys, BBC might be starting the game tonight . 4-3-3

Still think it's a ploy to keep the smokescreen up. Although I could be wrong.

Earlier today, reporters covering the training were saying Bale trained like he wasn't starting (meaning he wasn't as intense in training as CR7 for example). Then hours later Marca change their probable lineup to a 4-3-3 and say the BBC starting is most likely.

Sorry, ain't buying it until I see the actual lineup. They just want to throw Liverpool off because they only have one style, we have a whole alphabet of styles and schemes.

-Lord

johnny1980:
[s]You guys are insufferable.


Read the quote and if you understand basic English tell me what this means.

"People say that Marcelo is a player that goes forward a lot and doesn't defend well. But football isn't so simple. Madrid have no weakness. It's not as simple as telling Salah to go to the right wing and look for space'"

People say? That means that is not his words and he doesn't even believe that. Also look at the words that follows "But football isn't so simple" because he understands that what a player gives in attack might limit his defense activity.


Maybe we do a simple english text for you guys. People say Buhari is a failure and doesn't know how to govern, But democracy isn't so simple. Buhari is an honest person. It's not as simple as saying just put 50billion here and there and Nigeria is a lovely place to be. Was i shading Buhari or defending him? You lots should be over the moon that Klopp is backing Marcelo and highlighting the importance of his attacking threat to his team.

You lots need to go get a refund from your high school. The media knows how to play on your emotions because they know millions of you are educated illiterates who can't understand simple sentences.


cc: Ksslib and co.[/s]

That is not even the quote.

Go read the bloody transcript! Classless club!

We're putting out all stops.

-Lord

Miremoses1:
saw the interview.

Even when Marcelo was having his own interview, one of the journalists said: klopp said you can't defend.

Marcelo then replied :I won't believe what you said until I watch the video.

Well, klopp might not be throwing sheds,but he shouldn't have said that.he has his own players to worry about.

Just like you said, his defense is full of average players. Moreno/Robertson can't lace marcelo's boots talk more of been a better defensive LB.

He's sending shots, trying to rattle Marcelo. Else he had no reason to pinpoint Marcelo.

We're Madrid. We'd eat him up, chew him out, and he'd be a one hit wonder when we're done with him. He should ask Athletico and Juve.

The RM contingent has not had anything critical to say about Liverpool players. There's been a healthy amount of respect shown even from the GOAT and the Legend Coach. In the interest of sportsmanship, that should be reciprocated. The entire Liverpool base thinks Marcelo is the weakest link in our team, so the coach going out of his way to make that statement isn't a lapse in judgement, it's tactical.

Marcelo would shut him up. The team will tear him a new one.

Pretty sure Marcelo went back, watched that video and entered Beast mode.

-Lord

InvertedHammer:
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I type as guided by the oracle based on facts. If you have issues with facts, come to the shrine with a bottle of Schnapp and present your case before the gods.

Moving on...you really do not understand the concept of first impression in the financial circle. You need to be prepared to make a good impression as a knowledgeable fund manager backed by the performance results of your company. But the black in you thinks it is about "baffing up".

Investors and their attorneys already researched your company and have expectations. Your job is to build on the confidence they have in the company and close the deal. How you think all these are tied to expensive watches beats my imagination.

LOL.

I'm not going to respond to a fellow who admits to not reading my posts thoroughly.

It's an effort in futility.

-Lord

InvertedHammer:
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Sorry. I only read the part where you made sense.

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Owning up to your inability to read, aren't you. And if any part is way beyond your comprehension, why not respectfully ask for clarification rather than give the impression you comprehended all I had to say.

Here I am thinking I'm in a flow, and you're out there cherry picking what parts of my post you want to read. Explains the lazy arguments and racial profiling. Have it your way, can't be bothered.

-Lord

InvertedHammer:
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You are going off tangent. Investors fly down to meet you because of GS and her track records. Wearing a suit (corporate attire) is the official dress code at GS and have nothing to do with Patek, Rolex or other expensive watches. I don't do research on things I see or witness. Therein is the diffetence.

Racial profiling? Yes. Because what I stated is a fact.
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"Investors fly down to meet you because of GS and her track records?!"

Sh*t, you haven't even been reading my f*cking replies. What a tool!

-Lord

Who else got miffed by Klopp's Marcelo's comment?

It's one thing for us fans to prod him to improve his tracking back. It's a whole other thing for an opposition coach to flay him before a UCL final. I don't see Zidane saying same about the bunch of bang average players in their back line.

Well, it's no holds barred. Mutual respect out the window. Good thing they're the reds, so the carnage looks good on them. Let's do to Klopp what we did to Diego after his Messi is better than BBC comment.

-Lord

koice:
I don't see how. SoG is an illegal religious like organization known for their shady activities. I didn't go out of my way to make up this allegations. People much more learned on the subject matter have since classified them as a cult (The FBI and Homeland Security), I only but use their playbook as my subject of testimony.

It can rightfully be argued that RCCG is a legit religious group since they don't pay tax. But that can only be attributed to the incompetence of the Nigerian constitution that doesn't have laws designed to curb the excesses of the such groups... add that to the fact that africans are very religious as a rule, it will probably never happen. However, if RCCG were to be transplanted to the States, the fundamentals will change drastically. The organization ticked some of the shady boxes... for eg, tithing is a mandatory practice required of every member, in fact, their GO publicly declared once in a viral video that people that don't pay tithe won't make heaven. If that isn't a form of cult like behaviour, I don't know what else is. My concern here is that if things were to continue like this, RCCG might end up like Jonestown - another testament of the destructive force of unconventional doctrines.

Hmm...

Dude you called CoS a cult and called RCCG a cult in the same breath. Are you confident that most people on this thread--scratch that, the person you quoted--would agree with you that RCCG is a cult?

If yes, we could ask him/her or organize a quick poll for 24 hours anywhere of your choice on this forum.

If no, then I'm positive you see the reason why my advice to temper your label rattling is not out of place. People can have a binary view of most controversial terms. You can't reasonably assume they'd always take to your definition/understanding/viewpoint like white on rice on a paper plate in a snowstorm.

The average random person reading that comment of yours would not imagine that by using the word "cult," you were referring to an organization like the RCCG (or sits in the same category). And therein lies my main point, don't call SoC a cult, because it is a religion (or more technically, a religion would be a more acceptable toga to vest on it); same way RCCG is a religious sect.

Which leads me to my second point, aiming a shot at Elizabeth because of her affiliation to a religion was way out of line, same way you wouldn't do same to a RCCG member playing an Ogboni Confraternity member in a nollywood movie.

I'm not sure what part of this rattles you or why. As I've said, and would repeat, it's not all about your opinion, it is also about perception. You might call it overlooking facts, but that is immaterial. Most "facts" can be manipulated to fit a narrative. Evident from all the examples I gave you of organizations that do same or worse than SoC that most people don't call cults.

And I would know because I'm deeply irreligious. And I know enough of the back story to sound like a conspiracy theorist to even above-average informed people like yourself. You don't go around sharing labels like you got an express delivery from Santa.

The interesting part is you don't even have to agree with me. I have no interest in changing personal opinions, that's too painstaking a job to do. I'm only passing a point across to you not to use a label because of its sensitivity. Clearly, you understand that. Why you want to make it confrontational beats me.

-Lord

Buhari this table you're shaking. One full tribe dey stand on top am ooo.

-Lord

InvertedHammer:
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You have no idea. Either you watch too many movies or the black in you is doing numbers on you. By black I mean, look good first and make money later. Ever wondered why blacks are at the bottom? Look in the mirror because you are a prototype.

Investors are impressed by returns/results not appearance. They have data on your performance and that matters more.


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I take it from your reply that you haven't ever researched partners at hedge funds.

Here's an excerpt on partners at Goldman Sachs (just a bank not a hedge fund),

"Partners always wear suits, even when going for a smoke," says the senior banker. "You always know the MDs who want to make partner," she adds. "They have new suits. They start wearing their jackets. They grow beards."

Link -- https://news.efinancialcareers.com/us-en/242688/secret-dress-codes-investment-banks

You think these MDs don't have "returns/results"? Why then are they putting in the effort to pass off the "I'm successful and I look like success" message? It's part of their MO. That's high finance. Surgeons don't have to do same for their job, they only have to put on scrubs. Eventually, if they're looking to become directors at centers where they have to kiss a$$, they'd have to tune up, buy more expensive tux and dinner dresses. It's social interaction/making an impression 101. You don't escape it.

You only get one chance to make a first impression and if you're about to land an HNWI as a partner, you don't go looking like a pauper or like you just stepped out of a golf course. It shows you have no pride in your job, no respect for your client, and if the client doesn't like you, no amount of results/returns will get him/her to sign up. He'd take his/her money elsewhere.

The richest 10% of the world population control 76% of the world's wealth. In America, the richest 10% own 84% of all stocks. If you want a slice of that huge pie, you can't afford to treat each prospective client like he is replaceable. He could very well be your last as word travels quickly in their circles. You impress, you flatter, you do everything to get that account. And if a five figure limited edition Patek will get your foot in the door, you'd buy it.

You call it the movies, it's someone else's reality.

And to your nonsense about blacks at the bottom. In individual professional settings, blacks excel. And they play the game. Do some research, it'd do you good.

And do you see how you went straight into doing racial profiling, like you've got nothing else to back your opinion. Inferiority complex is dangerous. Wean yourself off of it.

-Lord

TheCabal:
Choose one identity; your are either an ethnic/religious bigot or a member of the society who's interest is the promotion of the human endeavor.

Have you answered any of the questions in my last response to you?

You are either an ID*OT or a F**L!

Why not you explain to us how demanding for Leah to be released by Christians is religious bigotry? I'll expose all this your st*pid BS!

Are the Catholics protesting the killing of Catholic priests religious bigots or not? Answer and expose yourself for the unproductive, senseless animal that you are. Answer the questions.

-Lord

greyham:
Dapchi was staged

Which reinforces the need to pile maximum pressure and not let the only Christian captive be used as a cliffhanger in their plot.

-Lord

eph12:

Is there a summary?

No.

Seriously, you guys should read na? Haba!

If you guys know about these challenges in-depth, politicians wouldn't be playing childish games with you.

@OP, please edit the thread to make it easier on the eyes.

To the topic, the plan seems reasonable, although I have issues with certain parts of it ($200b cannot give us 160,000 MW in Nigeria, there is virtually nothing on Nigeria's shambolic structure that needs an overhaul, and a good portion of it is wishful thinking). However, it is a decent plan that proves the person behind it understands most of our problems to a commendable degree.

The problem however has always been implementation. For example, it has taken over 2 years for a policy on 3rd-party metering to be set up. It would take at least another 2 years before it begins to solve any problems. And that's just one tiny spoke in the wheel of the power sector, much more the economy as a whole. We have Acts that have even been passed into law that have practically been abandoned (or at least relegated to the sidelines). We've spent the better part of a decade debating the PIB in the Nat'l Assembly.

So color me pessimistic, but instead of these lofty plans with pomp and grandeur, we need micro plans with less headline-grabbing objectives that tackle select issues, and that more importantly, take our socio-economic and geopolitical eccentricities into account. For example, we rid the country of Polio (with priceless help from International partners) and everyone pitched in even though there were hiccups along the way. No one can say that corruption, bureaucracy bottlenecks, or the infrastructure deficit (poor road networks to the rural areas, poor primary healthcare, et cetera) didn't bedevil the FG-led eradication effort. Yet, there was success. Belabored, of course, but it was actualized.

In my opinion, we need to do the same about several other issues that abound in virtually all the sectors of our economy from metering to double taxation to port reforms to lending rate to wastage. Break up the big issues into small bits, prioritize the most crucial ones and strive for small successes that are a lot more achievable rather than big wins that are infinitely difficult to bring to fruition because of obvious reasons.

-Lord

Good.

Instant Karma!

-Lord

Daeylar:
That's so sad, heartbreaking. Was really happy only to read further and find out that it was a dream, hope there is more coverage on this story so at least pressure will increase on the FG.

Really ridiculous that the FG haven't even spoken to her about her daughter at all.

I pray she is still alive.

As for all of you interpreting nonsense.

Please don't kill this woman's daughter before her time for her.

According to some news coming from Dapchi and the FG (specifically the IGP) this week, it appears they are about to release her.

Whether it is being done to pacify the Christian crowd because of the Fulani herdsmen and Catholic Priest killings/Nationwide Catholic protests; I can't be sure. But I'd be elated that she is released.

Virtually everyone but her mother failed her.

-Lord

koice:
And I say glossing over facts to fit a narrative doesn't make the facts less true. Good day.

And I could say the same about your comment.

-Lord

koice:
What I can gleaned from all these is that you're well versed in conspiracy theories. I salute you on your knowledge sir, but thing is, I don't care about speculative history and theories. I go with the facts bro, and facts are facts. Some ex SoC have come out publicly to denounce the organization as a cult. They can't all be lying now, yes?

You said I can't use the outlawed stuff as a proof, and I say yes, I can, and here's why. To be outlawed is to entail that a group or person is involved in an illegal activity. If a religious organization is illegal in top SECULAR DEMOCRACIES the world has to offer, then something must be very wrong indeed. You can gloss over it as much as you like but the fact remains SoC is an illegal religious gathering.




Semantics bro, semantics. Sects, cults, followership, bloc, et al are different nouns describing the same thing: an illegal religious/irreligious gathering of people in other to perpetuate mischievous activity.

You know what's pretty remarkable? Temple of the Disciples of Christ (TotDoC) started pretty much like this RCCG. It was at it's early stage a place where people of all race and station can met and interact and worship God, blah blah blah... It was all unicorn and rainbows until 'Rev' Jim Jones convinced his hundreds of brainwashed followers - and the reluctant ones at gunpoint - to drink cool-aid laced with cynide. 918 people died that day.

It's good that you brought up Joel Osteen, because he's another Jim Jones in the making. A charismatic brainwasher like him is remarkably dangerous if given an audience. Which is why the FBI has a file on him and others just like him. Joel was recently kicked out of Denmark unceremoniously, because unlike USA, most european countries don't have a loophole in their laws (the first amendment) that protects vile organizations and people like the SoC.

Bottom line, classifying a goose as a duck just to fit a narrative doesn't necessarily translate to actuality. A duck is a duck whilst a goose will always be a goose. A cult being called a church so as not to anger friends and the community doesn't stop it being a cult in practice. Like I said earlier, if it behaves in a certain way, then it's what it is. Let's try and call a spade a spade biko.







There is a flaw in your argument. The military can't be a cult because it's a public institution. Public institutions are owned and run by the government and that automatically disqualify them as cults. However, Paramilitaries are cults ala neo-nazis et al, because they are motivated, funded and owned privately. Hence, tagging SoC as a cult is very justified. It goes beyond being a mere religion, it's an illegal gathering.

Have you watched The Mentalist? There is a church like cult called Visualize. What fascinated me about this cult is the way they operate. First of all, they will encourage you to tell them everything about you, after which the brainwash will start. They will isolate you from your family, brainwash you into 'donating' all your money to the cult, until the point whereby the only thing you'll be living and breathing is 'Visualize'. The creator of the show has since come out to say the cult was modeled after it's real life equivalent, SoC. It's a scary thing to see, believe me.





True, you can't label everything, only the appropriate ones, and labelling SoC and it's cousins is very appropriate.

Clearly, this will be a drawn out back and forth if continued so I wouldn't pursue it further.

In closing,

My point is simple: You can't use the "cult" tag recklessly and loosely, especially considering the sentiments that tag conjures up. And it is very evident in that if you did a poll on this thread (or the forum in fact) to identify how many believe the RCCG is a cult, the overwhelming majority would choose the "NO" option. Yet you just labeled both the RCCG and CoS as cults.

You called Elizabeth a cult member. And so if we're to go with your train of thought, then RCCG members from the VP to the artisan on the street are also cult members. As so it'd also be hypocrisy for an actor who is a RCCG member to play a member of the Ogboni Confraternity in a local home video since both are cults.

You see what I did there?

It's not just about your opinion. It is also about perception. Which implies that we should be careful about our comments in the public sphere. The CoS is a religion.

PS: I'm not well versed in conspiracy theories. It isn't a theory that some ex POTUS's are members of the Order of Skulls and Bones (for instance, the Bushes). It is an established fact that they don't hide. Here's a Wikipedia list of prominent members -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Skull_and_Bones_members. The influence of the Bohemian Groove is an open secret.

You don't get to cherry pick these things. I'm only saying if you opine that the CoS is a cult for being shady, I can point you to a million other more mainstream orgz that are shadier and you wouldn't call cults.

-Lord

TheCabal:
So Leah is more important than other girls in captivity. Many others have no one to speak for them. Yet, the "Christians" decided to foolishly follow PDP's cue and make it a religious matter. Look at the bring back our girls campaign, and ask yourself why it is so successful.

Only peasants fall for the religious card.

Osinbajo was attacked in Benue using the religious "guilt trip". I am glad, he made it clear to them; he had much more evolved Christian identity. One that is not rooted in general consensus.

And only daft people think humans aren't social creatures.

There have been several xenophobic attacks against multiple nationalities in South Africa, yet it is that of Nigerians that Nigeria and its people care about. Would you also say it's only the lives of Nigerians that matter.

Better take this st*pid assymetrical bullsh*t far away.

If Christians can't rally around a Christian teenager abducted, who'd rally around for her? If Nigerians don't talk about Nigerians killed extra-judicially outside the shores, who would? If the Middle Belters don't make a big deal out of the killings of their kinsmen, who would lead the fight?

Dumb f*ck!

Leah Sharibu is a member of the Christian family in Nigeria. A family does not abandon a member in distress.

Nonsense... "So Leah is more important than other girls in captivity." Why not you tell us how each of the other 90+ Muslim girls are more important than Leah? Why they deserve to stay only 3 weeks in custody and Leah deserves to spend 3 months plus in custody? Why the FG can send money and release murderers so all the Muslims girls can be freed with an heroic welcome but could not do same for the only Christian girl?

And Christians are looking like zombies.

Waste of Oxygen! Quote me again. You think I'd pander to your sentimental rubbish!

-Lord

Leah Sharibu!

Apparently Christians have roughly the same population as Muslims in this country, yet the only Christian girl in the Dapchi kidnap was not released and Christians go to Church praying to a Sky Daddy to release her.

Whatever happened to unending protests and unrelenting pressure from Christians.

How can the Muslim girls spend less than 3 weeks in captivity, while the only Christian girl stays in captivity for 3 months.

Thank heavens I'm not a Christian. Very spineless, useless bunch. I'm sure if it were the other way around, the Muslims would be a lot more reactive. Heck even the Jews and Hindus with this kind of population wouldn't be this undisturbed about the plight of a teenage vulnerable adherent in hostile custody.

-Lord

Origin:
Long story short......


You live in his house, eat his food, wear his clothes, spend his money....




Bros you are married to your father in law....



And as a wife you have to listen to your husband o.

LAWD have mercy!

PS: After reading the whole thread, n*gga must be kicking himself why he came on here to share his troubles. Anyway the way out is clear enough. It's up to him to use the innate intelligence he clearly has not been using.

-Lord

InvertedHammer:
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People who are rich and simple rarely run out of money.

There is nothing more satisfying than knowing that you have more money that you will ever need to meet your basic needs.

In my book, the man that wears $300 fake Rolex is trying too hard to belong but should be pardoned whereas the man that buys $10,000 Rolex is irredeemably stvpid. They both tell the same time. What's outside can never fill the big void inside.
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You have no idea.

You should spend relative to what you are worth. A fake $300 Rolex and a $10,000 Rolex do not both just tell the time. A $10k Rolex is more accurate and precise than a fake $300 Rolex. Read about watches. And when you enter a room with top shots, a 10k Rolex will buy you more goodwill than a fake 3h Rolex.

Say you're a partner at a hedge fund with an eight to nine-figure net worth, looking to sign on a nouveau rich Chinese client, who flew you on a chartered Gulfstream to meet him in his fourth home in the French countryside; you don't want to show up like Zuckerberg showing up at work (even though he is much richer). You want to show up in a four-figure custom suit, a five-figure limited edition Patek Phillipe and a Ferragamo pair of dress shoes.

Heck, the Patek Phillipe may kick off the conversation, warming you up to the client.

Now, if you had a six-figure windfall and do not have the same profile as the hedge fund partner, do you go all out to splurge on such luxury items? F*ck no! You may be able to afford it, but buying it is not an informed decision.

Want to know how to manage your finances? Watch how the old money spend.

If you've got a big void on the inside, spending a ton wouldn't fill it, but so will not spending. Striking a balance is harder than it looks. It's an art.

-Lord

koice:
Uh-oh. Not this again. I've already have this conversation with a collegue, so I'll cut to the chase.

A cult is sneaky. They rope you in with curiosity, do some simple processing on you, when that makes you feel better, they push it a little further and a little further. Since you can't deny that you felt good, you gradually start to believe. Soon, you are giving up your money and time to the cult.

SoC is outlawed in western europe, Russia, and the Scandinavia, Roman Catholic is not. Why? Because SoC met the above criteria, Roman Catholic Orders didn't.

No one on the planet can outlaw a Roman Catholic Order. The Pope is a head of state. The Church is older than most European countries. SoC is being outlawed. Catholic Orders were exterminated like pest in the Middle Ages. Heck the foremost Catholic military order that fits the cult tag like a glove in them days--the Knight Templars--were thrown under the bus by the Pope himself. Members were tortured and executed.

Today, no one dares cross Catholic Orders because they're untouchable, not because they don't fit the cult tag.

And there are many cults in the developed world that aren't outlawed. From the Order of Skull and Bones (with former US Presidents as members) to the Bohemian Groove. No one really knows who the SoC screwed up with. Apparently, they launched a multi-national operation against the Feds (both in the US and major Western nations) and got found out. Like they were the first or that the Knights of Malta doesn't have eyes and ears in over 100 embassies on the planet. If powerful European nations are after them, it's either some sh*t is spooking them or there's some turf war.

So you can't use the outlawed stuff as a proof of them being a cult. All popular religions have members who occupy powerful positions in the society and who would use such authority where necessary and possible to protect their beliefs and organization.

Even In Nigeria, we have 3 high profile cult like Institutions: RGGC, SCoAN and Christ Embassy. Yup. Their respective members just don't know it yet. In a saner clime like USA, Germany, France and Norway, such institutions will be paying taxes just like any other other business or outrightly outlawed.

And this is why I said you shouldn't use the cult tag so loosely, because people would misinterpret it. Very few people on here would agree with you that RGGC/RCCG, SCoAN, Christ Embassy et al are cults.

And in the USA, em sects would be very welcome. They have so many analogs over there--the Joel Osteen crowd.

You're right, SoC is not the only religious like organization that has been investigated by the feds. Remember the Branch Davidians? It was a commune with crazy ideas not disimilar to the ones SoC are currently promoting. We all know how it turned out, don't we?

Bottom line, when a formal/informal gathering of more than two people become in any way unorthodox (deviating from the norm), it can be qualified as a cult. That's the universal rule.

The norm always changes. And if you're going to be really literal with that definition, most mainstream orgz are cults. From military special forces to a small informal online community of people with peculiar sexual interests. Which is another reason why I say using the cult tag for SoC is in bad taste. It is a religion.

Like Wicca, Laveyan Satanism et al. People are weird and in this age of unprecedented freedom of association, people would continue to have gatherings that are "unorthodox." Can't use the label for everyone. That's muddling things up.

-Lord

koice:
Bro, let's not even have this discussion. It's a well established fact that CoS is a cult. If it moves like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck. CoS ticked all the right boxes that qualify a private organization as a cult, at least according to DHS (department of homeland security) and FBI. The only reason they haven't been shut down is because of the first amendment, and also having a lot of friends in high places.

Patrick Melrose is an excellent miniseries. It is difficult to watch, yet you'll keep watching to know what happens next. Benedict Cumberbatch will undoubtedly be an emmys nominee for his stellar performance as Melrose.

True, we shouldn't derail the thread. But if you look up the meaning of the word 'cult,' you'll see it is very broad. And it's connotative meaning is often sinister and loosely applied, sometimes without merit. CoS is as much a cult as over a dozen Roman Catholic Orders. I'm talking orders that'd send shills down your spine if you learned of their MO and how much influence they have. And let's not start with the myriad of New Age Movements.

Yet people (at least most by the way) don't accord others the same treatment as CoS because of its profile and the bad rap it seems to ooze. The CoS is a religion. You may not like how it operates or its beliefs but I think calling it a cult is in poor taste. Moreso if you're going to use it to pin a hypocritical label on Elizabeth. The CoS is not the only religious organization (not traditional cults mind you) that has been investigated by the Feds for wrongdoing.

I'd check Patrick Melrose out.

-Lord

Stupid Kim.

Thinking he'd get concessions out of Trump by being a brat. Well lookie, it's not Obama. Maximum pressure continues.

-Lord

koice:
Handmaid's Tale is a bleak dystopian drama about a cult taking over the United States and using selected viable women as baby producing machines for their infertile wives. This women are called Handmaidens, a name picked from the bible. It's very addictive and Elizabeth Moss is phenomenal in it.

Fun fact: Elizabeth played a woman trapped in a cult controlled United States but is a member of church of scientology in real life, a cult. Hypocrisy?

The Church of Scientology isn't a cult. They've got crazy beliefs, but what religious sect doesn't.

How's Patrick Melrose btw?

-Lord

Say it like it is!

-Lord

Thank you POTUS!

-Lord

Throwback:
I will advise that you reach out to Okonjo-Iweala to delay the release of her book.

It can only make your image laundering job for the Jonathan family very difficult, while reminding many at this season of election why they voted out PDP for the equally useless and ungrateful APC.

Imbec*ll*c ignoramus!

The book has already been released. And it was applauded by Mo Ibrahim, Gordon Brown et al.

BTW, if you want a copy, I'd check if a friend of mine who brought some in has any left. Said he sold 50 copies in 3 days. Since you make enough in a month that some make in a year, you should put your money where your mouth is.

PS: The book was not written only to launder GEJ's image. It was mainly written to add to the discussion on how best the West can support the anti-corruption fight in developing countries, as she has the ears of key members of the global order.

PPS: In a recent interview, she was talking about she and others were discussing about setting up an International fund to support people who help fight corruption in developing countries after they leave positions of authority. As there is very little incentive for people to risk it all to fight graft in power when they could easily join in. She specifically gave an example of Ribadu who was provided resources by the Norwegian government for 18 months after OBJ's tenure so he could settle in after the turmoil.

I'm positive you don't know any of these, because in your sick, empty skull; you are trying to make GEJ appear bad 3 years after he left power. Well get on with it, nonsensical irrelevant buff**n!

-Lord