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Nextt:
You have artfully dodged the question. The Word of God said a thousand years is like a day in the sight of God and a day is like a thousand years. Going by that, two days (two thousand years) is well within the context of 'soon' or 'quickly'. You can't deny knowing how people usually describe the passage of weeks and months as fast by saying, "Days are fast!". It is not even two days (two thousand years). The issue here is you said he hasn't returned since then as if He gave a specific timeframe. I hope you will specifically point that fact out, and leave no room for guesswork, not by hanging your argument on an abstract adverb - 'quickly'

LoLz. Quick question, in how may days did your god create the earth and the things in it? And how many days was he resting? Was it 6 days or 6,000years and did he rest for a day or a thousand years?

Who made the waters for the ships to sail? Can you or any scientist living create an ocean? Do you have the technology to create a star like the sun much less billions of stars in the galaxy? Who made the heaven for the planes to fly? Can you create the clouds to give rain and float in the sky? Every cloning attempt has suffered fatal failure following a very short spell of success. You think creating man and animals na beans? Why can't your scientists replicate the feat? I cannot begin to highlight the complexity behind the 'simple' creations you see that makes your so-called planes, ships and technological innovations look like primitive devices in comparison. The wisdom with which God created the comet, the galaxies, the planets, the seasons - which one can primitive science accomplish? The technology alone to make the earth from nothing is trillions of light years away from what science is able to achieve and can ever dream of achieving and you gloat on the use of ships and plane. Gosh. Lol. Like the Being who created the seas needs your wooden or metal ships to cross the seas? Lol. This error of logic is beyond me.

Nobody made it, which is the point. Your god remains an unevidence proposition. Saying that because scientists cannot replicate something proves a god is just as childish as saying Superman is real because no one else can fly faster than a bullet.

With the powers you attribute to your god why is it taking the advent of human technological progress to effectively spread his message? Why doesn't the god use his ocean creating powers to flood the earth with his message? It doesn't happen because your god is as real as Superman, existing only in the imagination and pages of a book.

And there are yet many places still living in the darkness of ignorance. God is a just and righteous God.

You meaning the stupidity of the idea that this god wants everybody to know something but instead of making everybody know by himself, he's just gonna fold his arms and wait for human beings, the same human beings he has already condemned as worthy of destruction, to do all the work so he can blame them for failing. LMFAO! It doesn't take rocket science to see just how bad of an idea some of these things are. Just low down stupid ideas.

I will be gracious and say to y'all that I don't blame you, these ideas are for suspending disbelief so you can accept some of the more disheartening parts of the nature of our reality and operate as if there something more. I totally get that but the ideas are still stupid nonetheless.

God does not count time the way you do. After the fall of Adam, He did not send Jesus immediately to die for the sins of mankind. It would take more than 5,000 years later for the Lord Jesus to appear from the time of Adam. When the Israelites were enslaved by the Egyptians God waited 400 years to send a deliverer to them. If the Lord Jesus had returned before now, how would the prophecy about the Antichrist and the completion of the third temple in Israel be fulfilled? We see that already happening in our time but the end will not be until this is done. God has laid a calendar of events that must be fulfilled before the end. That is the reason for the delay besides His mercy and grace of repentance. Lastly, before technology God spread His Word; without it His Word will still be spread by leaps and bounds. Nothing can hinder its progress. Nothing and you know it.

Without technology your so called word of god would have evaporated like many of the pre written word civilizations before. Your religion is the beneficiary of a series of human actions and inventions, it doesn't make it more special, the same way you aren't more special than all the people who died last night. Being the beneficiary of good fortune or fortunate circumstances doesn't make it true a god exists or make those fortunate circumstances the work of a god. One only has to read a wide breath of human history to see that if a god existed and was orchestrating anything, the god must be insane. I on the other hand realise it is all the doing of humans, no gods required.

Dtruthspeaker:
Carl Benz and his Mercedes-Benz is right next door.

But when we are the only one who makes a product and the only one who can make it, we never badge or trademark or logo them!

There is no need to!

And that is Why God is The Only God! AND THERE IS NO OTHER AND THERE IS NONE BESIDES HIM! Hahahahahahahahaha!

So if I show you a product that only one company produces in the entire world yet is still labeled and badged, what will you say?

Nextt:
Please reread the post I made in reference to the bolded to verify whether I asked the question or not.

My answer would essentially be the same, they all came about by natural processes with no sentient control in evidence.

When you see a work of art, a paint or picture you do not ask who painted it but you subconsciously accept the fact that a painter is behind it. The painter may be anonymous, he may be dead or alive, he may be black or white. You don't care or seek evidence of a painter behind a paint because you know brush strokes cannot move on their own to create a logical picture. You just know someone is behind it though that someone may not be known to you.

I know it is humans that do all these things because I know humans do it and not natural processes, that is how we distinguish between what we call natural vs what we call artificial. On one hand it can be demonstrated every day of the week and twice on Sunday that these are human creations while the other hand you cannot demonstrate in any meaningful way that a god has done anything. We know it is brushstrokes that are paintings because these are techniques developed by humans, you cannot tell me the techniques your god supposedly used to make anything. All you'll continue to do is make the claim, you are unable to evidence it.

You can admit testimonial and documentary evidence in the court of law but when it comes to the bible you consider it hogwash. This double standard is glaring. As with the painter, who may leave a note through an agent to verify his ownership of the paint such written evidence is admissible or considered authentic enough to lay his claim to the paint. This is exactly what happened thousands of years ago before any exploration into space was made, He who formed the earth said it is a circle in His Word. A manufacturer has a manual of how a product or device operates. The bible is also God's manual of his creation. Galileo would have been saved the stress of proving that the earth is round if only he had simply made reference to the book of Isaiah.

The Bible is a collection of stories some of which contain reflections of the cultural settings the stories are based in. Stories are not evidence or else every tale ever told is just as equally true as any other which is obviously not true. Your bible is not any more evidence for anything other the culture of its time than Cinderella or Grimm's tales. In order to show me that the Bible is true you need evidence outside of the stories. And one feature of stories is you can make them mean almost anything. The same book you claim says the world is a sphere is also the same book people say it is flat also quote so between you and them who is correct? Only external evidence can show who is correct. Simply saying something is true doesn't make it so.

It is gross fallacy to think empirical evidence can match every kind of reality. For example, do you have any explanation for how the imagination can be objectively observed? You can't see mine neither I yours. Does that mean it doesn't exist? Science can tell there is imagination but cannot prove it. Maybe you can provide the empirical evidence of memory, consciousness, and morality.

The only way to be certain of anything is to have material evidence in my opinion. We have memory tests, we have intelligence tests, we have MRI that can show the brain at work and how it corresponds with your thinking process but you want me to ignore all of this and accept your conjectures based off of the writings of more primitive people. No thank you sir. I will stick with science and the results it produces, your conjectures don't count for anything in comparison.

On the nature of the existence of God, who created and exists outside time and space, asking evidence of His existence is simply shallow thinking. Scientific methods used to verify the existence of anything is severely limited to phenomena subject to time and space. It is like fitting the entire universe into your little laboratory. As impossible as it is there is more hope for that than to fit God, who created the universe and exists outside it, into observable, testable methods. It is like looking for the evidence of the presence of a matchbox company in the matchbox product itself. Lols.

The only reason you can say outside time and space is because of science. The primitive writers you base your beliefs on thought heaven is in the sky which was why the tower of Babel was gonna intrude on the god's territory and he had to destabilize the plans of humans. Of course science can't prove an imaginary sky fairy that doesn't exist which is why you retreat your god to a place that cannot be investigated. Unfortunately for you, your insistence that a god is responsible for anything puts the onus on you to demonstrate it because you are insisting that this timeless, spaceless god is doing things in time and space. That means there must be evidence of the effect of this god's actions. Yet all the most prominent things the god supposedly did cannot be evidenced. It's not me who is being fallacious and shallow.

Finally, an artist signs his name on his paint. That is his badge. You can read this last bit up and make your findings. DNA mapping has been discovered to include the name of God in every living thing. The numerological DNA sequence reads YHWH in the Hebrew language. It is encoded in the DNA of all living things. That is the artist signing His work.

LMAO! DNA is a chemical, a protein, they simplify the language used to describe it has confused people like you into making these kinds of childish conjectures. Dude we used to use chemical formulas to spell our names back in secondary school, it would be stupid to claim that because I can spell a name with chemical notation it means that thing exists.

Zonefree:
She's not wearing bra. Her dilapidated breasts are romancing her tummy.

She for just button the jacket and plead with the man. You don't just shout and argue with your lecturer and expects him to succumb to your silliness.

God bless the Lecturer for eradicating nuisance in our society.

E bi like say you get xray eyes. You dey see the breast wey dey inside cloth from this poor quality video. Chai! Soapy crew I hail o! LMAO!

Dtruthspeaker:
When we are the only one who makes a product and the only one who can make it, we never badge or trademark or logo them!

There is no need to! And that is Why God is The Only God!

It is the presence of co-creators which makes creators place marks and trademarks and logos on their toys (creations).

But for God, THERE IS NONE. THERE IS NO OTHER AND THERE IS NONE BESIDES HIM!
Hahahahahaha!

I am surprised you didn't bring Toyota and Toyoda into this. Bwahahahahaha!

Dtruthspeaker:
No need for science paper. Every reasonable and normal person can see that things do not create themselves and that they are abundant or scarce or even absent according to how their Creator set it to be.

Secondly, even the cloth on your body is evidence and proof of your tailor even where we all do not know her. So you have no valid argument.

Dude I am not going with your say so, provide the evidence, your intuitions are worthless to this discussion.

Nextt:
It is easy to say the gravitational pull of the sun causes the movement of the earth. It is easy to say nuclear fusion of hydrogen atoms to form helium is the reason for the sun's self-sustaining energy over billions of years. That is like saying a car moves when the engine burns fuel and converts the heat of the fuel into traction by which the car can operate. What company designed the car? If I wanted a sun or moon with my name on it and customized to my desire where do I go to have one made for me? What designed it? Did the sun create itself? Did the earth create itself? Did life create itself? If so, why is life absent on other planets we know? These are the questions you have skipped skillfully.

Very good! Where is the badge of the manufacturer on anything that clearly states it was made by your god? Where is the trademark or logo or label?

I haven't skipped anything because that's not what you asked me. You are the one claiming these things where made by your god so the onus is on you to provide the evidence that it is so. Your incredulity about the natural processes that bring about the formation of the sun, earth and life are all your problem not mine, so it all lies on you to provide the evidence that these natural processes are being conducted by your god.

KnownUnknown:
When you take your car in for service, make sure they check the coolant, refrigerant, and replace the pack of gravity. Ensures a smooth ride. My cars use two packs of gravity each, yearly.

Damn! No wonder my car has been misbehaving, I forgot to pack some gravity. I think I'll just get a super pack of gravity so I don't forget again.

Dtruthspeaker:
Gravity is not in the place we call space if we accept the hearsay of those who say they have gone to space, so clearly someone packed it here exactly how climate control works in our car.

And gravity cannot create itself exactly as the climate control did not create itself . So the proof of God is all over the place for every person to see and only unreasonable devils and of course devils are always haters of God that is why you are the only ones who deny God's honour. No reasonable person does that only devils like you.

LoLz. Go submit your own science paper that evidences someone packed gravity na. Bwahahahahahaha!

Gravity is a natural force and a property of the universe, it doesn't have to have created itself to be operational. What is not in evidence is a god creating it, you saying it is a god that created it is not evidence or proof of any sort.

Nextt:
Exactly my point. How did it come to be? Can the process be replicated? Why is the earth rotating on its axis and making a revolution round the sun which we call a year? A car moves and we know why but the planets also move and what fuels their movement? Why does earth support life but other planets don't? Is it a random occurrence or random selection? What made the sun, the earth, the stars? What governs their movement? Can you explain any of these?

Gravity fuels both their process and their formation. We see the same process play out across the sky in various star systems. You know what we haven't seen? A god doing anything anywhere.

Gravity is not random, we can see that it is proportional to mass and inversely proportional to distance. If a god was real and able to do anything then he wouldn't need such a mechanism since he could just as easily make the sun revolve around the earth.

Nextt:
No one said God is depending on any technological advancement to have His Word spread to all the earth. Phillip was translocated to the path of the Ethiopian Eunuch so that He could explain the scriptures to the Ethiopian. Paul went by ships to different nations to preach. Besides, I also mentioned people where the light of civilization has not shone. Do they read books, watch TVs, surf the internet? In the midst of this technological advancement, there are billions without formal education. Many must have heard the word preached in the language they can understand but books and the internet are useless in propagating the gospel to reach this class of people.

Again, you mentiond 'nearly 2000 years of history...' as if Christ gave a timeframe of His return and has failed to do just that. I will like to see that evidence now if you don't mind.

Oh but he did provide a time frame. Unless 2000 years is also synonymous with quickly then that timeline has already failed but I am sure you'll explain it to me won't you. LoLz.

Yes, your god seems to be waiting for technological innovation to spread his message. It wasn't your god that made the ocean going ships that brought Christians from Europe to Africa, the Americas, Australia and the Pacific Islands. That took more than a 1000 years after Jesus had died for that to happen. Why?

There are many places civilisation has already shone and yet the god still hasn't passed his message across, who shall we blame for that? A universe creating god that created everything in a week needs 2000 years of human progress before he can achieve this spread of his all important message? Please.

ocnovakmichael:
LordReed
I guess you think the Lord Jesus, anointing to the brim, healed all. Yet the Bible says in his home town he could do no mighty works.
Mark 6:5
[5]And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.

Scripture told us why Jesus couldn't
Mark 6:5-6
[5]And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.
[6]And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.

Therefore even if the church comes to the realization of this potential power resident in her, unbelief will still deprive many from being heal.

No story, make an amputee's limb grow back.

Nextt:
A pretty bold thing to say. You and I may die in the next 50, 60 years and Christ may not have returned by then. Why? The Gospel must first be preached to everyone in the world including those who are cut off from civilization. Secondly, the prophecies that precede His return have not come to pass especially the prophecy about the mountain of God (Christianity) being exalted above the world's system of living and His last effort to reach mankind by sending His Spirit of repentance to the whole world so that people will cry in repentance to Him without needing a preacher. As it is appointed for each and every one of us to stand before Christ in judgment, so shall His return. It is appointed and there is no going back. His delay is His grace of repentance to the world to turn from the sins that decay them to His light of salvation.

I have nearly 2000years of history to back up what I am saying so I am just stating the obvious. Meanwhile I am yet to see anything to the contrary. Funny how a so called universe building god waits for human technology to progress first before his most important message can reach everyone. So which technological invention is the god waiting for now? We've done books, TVs, the Internet yet the message hasn't reached everyone? Maybe he is waiting for quantum computers or quantum tunneling communications, LoLz.

Nextt:
The very same thing Satan told Jesus, "Turn these stones into bread if you are the Son of God".

He knew Jesus is the Son of God. Oga, God is not your entertainer and the works of God are not done for entertainment.

You say God does not exist. The Bible says that you can't deny His existence as you are without excuse because God's invisible nature is seen in His created order. You are daily surrounded by it. You know that God exists but shut your ears to the truth. It beats me how anyone can witness Day turn into Night and the seasons follow each other without overtaking and at their appointed time, the wisdom that formed them has never been explained or duplicated by science to this day, yet the same person says something created it, not someone. Lol.

LoLz! Did you listen the primary school science lessons of how the earth rotates on it's axis and revolves around the sun? That's all the explanation I need for day and night, summer and winter, not a magical sky fairy.

Greenfaces:
Exactly.
But na wa for southerners sha. How do you marry women you can't trust. Is it not simple again? I can never do dna test.

This isn't about trust. I don't want to have another child, the OP didn't want a child yet.

Efna55:
I got married to her a virgin and we never intend having babies early because I intend putting her in school, to cut the long story short she became pregnant and I was very sure about the natural methods I used, there were also many circumstances that made me think the baby may not be mine, the baby is few months old and I took her to do a secret DNA test while the mother went to school for some registrations, the diagnostic centre said without the mothers consent it cannot be done..
Pls advice..

Guy even me I sure my method but I had to switch to condom use cos I no wan hear say mistake enter. It is very, very possible you are responsible for the pregnancy despite your method..

TemplarLandry:
I don't know why entitled people feel triggered when patriotic Americans like Donald J. Trump say they don't want too many immigrants. Trump is a patriot.

I dedicate “Big Dog” by Benny the Butcher feat. Lil Wayne to him.
Great jam!

And I dunno why dumbasses can't see when a bigot is calling you diseased just because of your skin colour. Did you see him mention immigrants from Europe, Australia, etc? No, because they are "white" but he calls people of your skin colour diseased and you are jumping for joy. SMH.

HISSCRIBE1995:
WELL!
time is still ticking; so keep listening.
but at the end you will corporate without strife

Is it gonna take another 2000 years before y'all can use your Jesus issued miracle power to heal an amputee? LoLz.

Dude I am not holding my breath because it's not gonna happen. No amount of wait and see will make it so.

HardMirror:
hello sir. I did not get it.

Thanks

Sent. Thanks buddy.

Dtruthspeaker:
Potential Beast's prophet If you live for the next 30 years you just might see Him Come.

He is much more closer now like the movies warned about Corona, the noise of the coming of the beast has begun, so He would soon be here.

Story story. LoLz!

jaephoenix:
The guy is a big case

A basket case.

HardMirror:
my chairman abeg enjoy your Sunday

Thanks bro. Sent you an email,seen it yet?

HISSCRIBE1995:
time will tell who is right or wrong ,but before time tells you ;remember we told you .
many people are currently in hell and blaming god for been there just the way they blamed god for giving humans
the free will to either do good or evil .

some will surley play the blame game forever even in hell but there they would not be able to deny that god exist
because even while blaspheming his name yet they would still cry for his help but it would be too late .

my friend be willing to pay any price for the truth because if you depart this world without
it then you would have to pay for it forever with your soul being the price .

Dude, time has already told. Restore an amputee's limb with all the god powers y'all have been boasting of for the past thousands of years, no show. May be when y'all can do that task you can come back to talk. I can bet you anything you like that till you and I die, Jesus will not return, another thing that time has already told. LoLz.

Theopneustos:
Good nairalanders
Please how do you handle a situation where you have a senior colleague in your workplace that has a clique that supports her secret acts that are contrary to the workplace do's and donts.
In addition to that tries to discredit you before the MD because you don't join her clique.
Is It to report her to the MD or let it slide?
She's so toxic but pretends a lot before the boss

By DOCUMENTING any infractions you can, if you want to take it to the MD word of mouth will not be enough.

Dtruthspeaker:
If your observation was true you would have observed that I was the one who trapped him and he tried turning it in me but in his attempt he went out of the ring (off point) like karate AND THAT IS WHERE HE LOSES!

Nah, he gave you upper cut and you are crying. LoLz!

Dtruthspeaker:
Says the one on the floor who could not argue on the point! Hehehehehehe Loser! No Road!

I am not arguing with you, I am observing your argument with jaephoenix in which you traps you with your own words and here you are waffling like a wind blown rag. LMFAO!

Dtruthspeaker:
That's always what I'll say when an opponent dodges the point of the argument by raising another thing.

And you devils can never argue without going off point.

So this is just you showing that there is no way to argue on the point

LoLz! He gave you upper cut and destabilised your jaw so as usual you resort to shalaye. Bwahahahahaha!

Dtruthspeaker:
Off point

That's always what you say when you see you've been trapped by your own words. LMFAO!

PrinceOfLagos:
I'm a free spirited person and want to send something to my boss for Christmas. Is it appropriate to tell him to send me his account number let me send him something for Christmas even when I know he doesn't need it?

Bad idea. Deliver the cash to him or buy something with it and give it to him.

ocnovakmichael:
1Tripple Cee:
Brother, I couldn't agree more! The church need to start exercising what is written and not what they think is written.


Thanks

Use this so called power to give an amputee their limb back.

jaephoenix:
Nah he aint compassionate no more. You're burning in hell forever for grieving the spirit

The way religion has traumatised some people no be small thing.

DKM123:
It only means the other two scored higher in overall marks than your child na. What's with the tears?


Some of this private schools that dole out A's just so the parents would continue to patronise the school... That's why they are hardly anywhere close to the winners in inter-school competitions yet have 999/1000 in thier school work. No be JuJu be that?

Look at the part for skills ratings. What's the probability that that section is entirely the same 3-marks ratings and the other psychomotor section is entirely 1-mark rating?
They should have just left that place blank instead of the obvious fake rating they gave.

That skills rating makes it look faked. The ratings legend doesn't include tick marks as part of the rating system so it makes me suspect the OP just cooked this up for some fun. I could be wrong though.