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TenQ:
The blind will receive his sight back at resurrection.

But would you rather that the wicked person who gouged out the eyes of a fellow man go unpunished!?

So what will the torture benefit the victim?

Nope I expect there to be justice meted out to the perp but not everlasting torture nor do I expect that a god that is supposed to be all wise is unable to figure out what to do with criminals any better than humans.

BassReeves:
What matters is, you now know better and you've been correctly informed that:
1. God is not in any shape or form sadistic.
2. There is no torture chamber.
3. God doesn't not have any place for endlessly torturing people for eternity.
4. God is not in any torturing business.
5. Of course God will pay back to each person according to his deeds [justly, as his deeds deserve], to those who by persistence in doing good seek [unseen but certain heavenly] glory, honor, and immortality (i.e. Romans 2:6-7)

I know better what you believe. When someone who believes something else comes I won't be arguing what you believe with them, the onus is on you to go inform them of what you believe, I won't be arguing it for you.

BassReeves:
We are not doing a blaming game here.

As for fellow believers, well, fellow believers that know their onions, make distinctions or disparities between Hades and the Lake of Fire, in that, the former is a holding place and the latter is a glorified refusing dump perpetually burning. There is no endless torment because once burned up, thats the end of the existence of the incinerated

Again address your clarifications to your fellow believers so that y'all can get on the same page. If a believer comes to me and tells me your god will torture me endlessly I will give him the corresponding response.

BassReeves:
Matthew 10:28
'And you shall not be afraid of those who kill the body that are not able to kill the soul;
rather be afraid of Him who can destroy soul and body in Gehenna.”'

Why arent I not surprised you got lost and slipped on 'endlessly' banana skin

Like I said blame your fellow believers like the OP who come to say it is endless torment.

BassReeves:
See, you're are still stepping and slipping on the banana skin

LoL.

TenQ:
It's not about whether it's eternal or not. It's about recompense

So how does torturing the perpetrator provide recompense? Is the torture going to restore the eyesight or provide the victim with anything useful?

BassReeves:
Your knowledge of God, instead then, is wack

I reiterate that God is not in any shape or form sadistic.

God does not have a torture chamber. God doesn't not have any place for torturing people for eternity. God is not in any torturing business.

Blame yourself then because the god you present is wack.

Your god created an everlasting place of torment that is what I refer to as a torture chamber. If you have a problem with that concept take it up with the people who keep presenting it as the work of your god concept.

BassReeves:
The IOL caused you to do a LMFAO! OMFD!

I totally understand that, he who laughs, does not believe in what he laughs at, and that, denial is a very powerful human component plus laughing at good, means denying its power and not preparing oneself for the time when to face it.

When our senses are numbed with delusion and denial, we wind up living a second-rate version of our lives rather than the God version He planned for us.

LMFAO! You can't or won't demonstrate your claims but it is I who is delusional for laughing at your refusal. Bwahahahahaha! So very rich.

Image123:
Of endlessly.

You've lost me.

Image123:
We're all monsters, happy?

Quite. It leads me to conclude that some monsters imagined a super monster who can't solve the same problems they are having and called the super monster a god.

Image123:
Wasn't really aiming at your belief but understanding.

My understanding of what?

BassReeves:
I concur with you because dustbin isnt called dustbin until it has dust in it. Each and everything has its own value. Things not of value, things that have expired, things that have gone bad, gone off etc unceremoniously end up in dustbins

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Your theology of God is wack. God is not in anyway sadistic.

For your info, refuse dumps, like Gehenna, the one on the outskirts of Jerusalem, burned endlessly, but, the purpose of incinerating refuse dumps, the likes of Gehenna and whatnot, are to burn up and end the existence of things, not to endlessly torture anything.

Human beings are tripartite, meaning they they have body, spirit and soul.

When the spirit aka ruach leaves the body, it returns back to its Owner, God. The body returns back to being dust, while the soul leaves the body enroute to a departure lounge area, to wait for Judgment Day date and the soul's departure destination

Oga I don't have a theology, you people are the ones telling us that your god has a torture chamber where he tortures people for eternity.

Image123:
Kindly show these beliefs from the Bible. i have high regards for Israel too but there's no such directive or information on starting any war from the Bible or Christianity.

You'll have to ask those who hold such beliefs that question.

Image123:
You're probably a monster to the living things you killed and ate, are you less of a monster or you don't have such perspective?

Maybe I am a monster to the things I have killed and eaten.

Image123:
Humans have spirits. Spirits don't die as they come from God. Do you want to live with God in Heaven?

None which has been demonstrated in any meaningful or substantial way so why would I believe so.

BassReeves:
Not bad an observation but the significant common repeated underlining theme is that the speaking in unknown tongues happened for the sake of the, yet-to-believe Israelites or Jews diaspora, who though living outside Israel, make the yearly pilgrimage to Jerusalem (i.e. Acts 2:4), it happened for the sake of unbelieving Jews (i.e. Acts 10:44-46) and again happened for the sake of yet another set of unbelieving Jews (i.e. Acts 19:6)

The targeted catch were the unbelieving Israelites or Jews, as the gospel is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes [in Christ as Savior], but it is to the Jew first to be proclaimed before it gets to the turn of the Greek or Gentile.

Therefore, [unknown] tongues are [meant] for a [supernatural] sign, not to believers, but to the unbeliever Israelites or Jews, who might be receptive to the Gospel aka Good News unfolding at that particular time and/or set of circumstances

LMFAO! OMFD!

BassReeves:
You dont belong to the Acts 2:4, Acts 10:44-46 and Acts 19:6 settings' time and/or set of circumstances target

LMAO! Na wa, anything to avoid demonstrating your claims. Ok o. Bwahahahaha!

Skyview01:
Hello peeps, i have a very important observation i would need your input and thoughts.
The question is , do you really need religion to be moral? Can one be moral without religion.
Now, morality is knowing and having a sense of right versus wrong.
The reason for this question is my observation of Nigeria and Nigerians. We are deeply religious, go to chrch every day in the week, but in my observation, the most immoral people in the world.
I have constantly interacted with friends from Asian countries like Vietnam for instance who are never religious, never been to a church but nevertheless, deeply moral. They are willing to do the right thing and obey the law compared to my deeply religious Nigerians who are always willing break the law for example.

Well you have your answer and it is no, you don't need religion to be moral. You can choose to live a moral life without religion because religion and morality are not the same.

BassReeves:
A cord of three strands is not quickly broken, so Ecclesiastes 4:12 says. The number three is symbolic, so please read Acts 2:4, Acts 10:44-46 and Acts 19:6 contextually over, then share what you observed the underlining repeated common theme among the three recorded occasions of speaking in an unknown tongue is.

The similarities I can see are it was more than 1 person speaking in tongues, they were in public and it occurred after hearing from a preacher/apostle.

BassReeves:
Of course, you are an unbeliever. You're an unbeliever of another stratum

LMAO! What stratum of unbelief do I belong to?

Hismasterpiece:
Lol. You say God is wicked, but i say God is Good. Just as He rewards the wicked with torment, He rewards the good with comfort and pleasure.

From a human point of view torturing people for eternity seems wicked, i understand. But it isn't logical to dissect a being such as God using human intelligence. Regardless of what you say, I just can't judge God as being evil because He doesn't just torment the wicked, He also comforts the righteous.

You are just repeating what you said before and so the answer remains the same. Favouring others while being a monster to others doesn't make you less a monster.

BassReeves:
If the time or set of circumstances that makes it possible to do so are present, as described written in the Bible, of course I can speak in another language that I've never learned to speak as described written in the Bible.

Beloved, it is very important to recognise the biblical reason and appreciate the justification for an action or event (i.e. speak in another language you never learned to speak as described written in the Bible)

I am an unbeliever, what other condition is required since you said its supposed to be a sign to unbelievers.

Hismasterpiece:
Lol. Again you fail to realise the fact that God indeed sends people there who are worthy of going there. He is not a moral monster, He is Just.

By the way who are you to call God a moral monster? You are subject to sin, you can be tempted with evil. None of those things apply to God. God is Holy, Just and Good.

Show me one evil thing God has ever done. The real monsters are the devil, his bunch and we humans.

Hell is God's way of passing a comment on how He feels about evil.

That is not justice. Torture is not justice. The god concept shows the god is a monster of epic proportions. Torturing people endlessly is only a monster that can conceive of such a vile thing.

Image123:
i replied already. It will be because of Israel not because of Christian beliefs.The Bible doesn't instruct or inspire anyone to go to war anywhere.

They did that because of their Christian beliefs. They wouldn't have the same regard for Israel otherwise.

Image123:
Lol, Americans okay. They want a war because of Israel not because of Christian beliefs. I thought you were saying that there were Christians in the middle east who wanted to go to war, that's what i called negligible and a fantasy. If some American wants war, it's not because of Christian beliefs. The Bible doesn't instruct or inspire anyone to go to war anywhere.

Did you miss:

LordReed:
I talking about American Christians in particular. Mike Pompeo and Mike Pence when they were in government wanted a war with Iran ostensibly because of Israel and their Christian beliefs, its not a fantasy. They were the ones who urged Trump to have Soleimani assassinated. It seems its you who is naive here, you seem to think that every Christian is a pacifist and there are none who want war.

BassReeves:
Acts 2:4
'And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.'

Acts 10:44-46
'44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word.
45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.'

Acts 19:6
'And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.'

If I am honest, I'll say, I don't follow what your question is. How do mean 'can you speak in tongues in the manner you describe'?

There are only three recorded times, as you put it, of 'speak in tongues in the manner you describe' and the three biblical recorded times are found in Acts 2:4, Acts 10:44-46 and Acts 19:6, reproduced above to see how people miraculously spoke in other actual languages, that they couldn't speak before and cant stress it enough that, this happened for the sake of unbelievers

Speak in other tongues, in the three above verses, means, speaking in another tongue, one never learned to speak. The three times, this happened in the bible, was on each occassion, done to shift the hearer's unbelief to the Good News. Its important to note that the act exclusively was for the benefit of the unbeliever and not for the sake of any believer.

Can you speak in another language you never learned to speak as you describe written in the Bible?

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Lemme register my laugh. Bwahahahahaha!

Standing5:
Yes. They have eternally affected another persons chance of a glorious destinty.

How is the person affected eternally? Is he not going to die too? Or he's going to be eternally blind?

TenQ:
And some people argue that God is wicked for creating hell (a prison of judgement) for such wickedness of taking a man's eyes

Hahn, Kobojunkie, LordReed

So you think eternal torture is the best response to the person who did this?

BassReeves:
Glossolalia actually properly put is speaking in unknown tongues. It becomes a spiritual gift because of the 'unknown' keyword there, which means, if as an Ibo speaking person, out of the blues, I start speaking with a Hausa speaking tongue that previously I am not known before to be able to do, then it translate to be a spiritual gift, although given for the edification of the church, it's primary purpose according to scripture, is not for the sake of the believers, but rather is for the sake of unbelievers

1 Corinthians 14:22
'Therefore, [unknown] tongues are [meant] for a [supernatural] sign, not to believers but to unbelievers [who might be receptive];
while prophecy [foretelling the future, speaking a new message from God to the people] is not for unbelievers but for believers.'

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I totally see where you're coming from and the point you were trying to make, with the gauntlet you threw down, that no one wants to take up and maybe talk about if 1 Corinthians 14:22- 'Therefore, [unknown] tongues are [meant] for a [supernatural] sign, not to believers but to unbelievers [who might be receptive]', is that bible quite believable, why then, to the earshot of unbelievers, who might be receptive, don't we, hear or see christians interpret tongues, as much as they willy nilly speak it?

Can you speak in tongues in the manner you describe?

Hismasterpiece:
Again, you put all the emphasis on one place. What about the other place (which He actually wants people to go to).

What do you have to say about God for creating a place as marvelous as Heaven?

The Hell concept is a hard pill to swallow, agreed. But you fail to mention the fact that in the Scriptures God is constantly giving us ways to avoid going to that place. He actually sent His own Son to die shamefully so that people won't have to go there.

Jesus talked about hell more than He did Heaven, the reason being that He doesn't want anybody there.

In your argument against hell you have failed to see this fact.

Hitler loved his country men and in fact did what he did to make Germany great, it in no way absolves him of the atrocities he caused. Your god concept is the same, it doesn't matter he has his own favoured people the god remains a moral monster.