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Image123:
Define omni with an example again?

Yeah I should answer your question but you won't answer mine. LoL. Answer this first: when he says he cannot do something its not a limitation, what is it then?

enilove:
If scientists can not test the rate of growth of what they see on a daily bases , it means human brain is limited .

Let me ask you this . How many tests have been carried out to produce a human blood that have succeeded ?

Blood is a scarce commodity which is very necessary for survivals .
There are many mothers who died during child delivery as a result of loss of blood .

Why can't the scientists of this world produce a human blood , so as to prove there is no God?

All this rigmarole just to say you have no way to test if a ghost is present? LMAO! Ok.

enilove:
Can you test and tell how tall a human being will be ?

Does that mean he is not growing.

Can you tell at what time and periods humans grow ?

I don't need to test what height a person will be to prove they are growing. What is very important is I can actually test that human is growing so tell us how we can test that a ghost is present?

enilove:
You know falsehoods.

There are count less documentaries done by scientists to explain how the sea could have divide like the biblical event . But they couldn't explain how and why other than it being supernatural.

The present Israelites would never tell you it did not happen , unless they are not thw true Jews. So stop deceiving yourself.

LMAO! OMFD! Why don't you link us to these documentaries, are you afraid you'll be laughed at? Bwahahahahahaha!

lekki1444:
Salute to you

Twale!
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enilove:
Meaning , atheists don't believe in ghosts ?

This plainly shows they are not realistic and are deceiving theirselves .

Good grief LMAO! How can we test for ghosts to be sure they are real?

FatherOfJesus:
Is that your evidence?

If that’s your logic then Tooth fairies, Easter bunny, Flying Spaghetti Monster, Invisible Pink Unicorn all exist. If they don’t exist then why give them names?

You see how ridiculous you sound?

Harry Potter and Spiderman exist because they have names. LMAO!

enilove:
You want an objective evidence that anything supernatural has ever happened anywhere ?

Here is One :
Exodus 14:21-23,28-30 KJV
And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.
[22] And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground : and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.
[23] And the Egyptians pursued, and went in after them to the midst of the sea, even all Pharaoh's horses, his chariots, and his horsemen.
[28] And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them. [29] But the children of Israel walked upon dry land in the midst of the sea; and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left. [30] Thus the Lord saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians; and Israel saw the Egyptians dead upon the sea shore.

Is this event a supernatural one or natural occurrences that do happen to seas , oceans or rivers to depart for hours occasionally ?

Before you argue , think why the Egyptians have never at any time came out to dispute this written event . It happened to their ancestors and there are archaeological evidences showing that the Israelites actually lived in Egypt.

LMAO! Says objective then points to the bible.

Link us to the discoveries that say Israelites lived in Egypt because as far as I know mainstream Israeli archeologists have admitted that the Exodus story has no evidence it happened.

lekki1444:
this man you still dey alive

You been wan kee me b4? LoL

Papertrails:
Please nairalanders I need your advice on something that has been bothering me for sometime now.

I am a young graduate who graduated from the university almost two years ago and am done with my youth service too but am still trying to get a job or put up something maybe a business that will be fetching me money considering the situation of our country in terms of availability of jobs.

Then there's is this girl I have been dating for three years and everything has been going well but recently she has been really disturbing me to come and see her people or get her pregnant, am someone that will do everything within my power to make sure my kids don't pass through the hardship I have passed through being someone that wasn't born with a silver spoon, and another thing is that I really love this girl.
Am really confused and don't know what to do.

Don't do either. Wait until you are financially stable or else you may have many regrets down the way.

RIP to the man.

Image123:
God Himself says He CANNOT do many things. Don't be naive.

Ah sure I forgot, he is god the omni-[insert attribute] so when he says he cannot do something its not a limitation. Uh what is it then?

Image123:
Here we go again. Is a condemnation of human sacrifice by God your definition of being limited?

You just said your god CANNOT do something. You said it yourself. LoL

Image123:
He cannot do it again because it is needless. You must have heard "It is finished".

Ok so he is limited.

Image123:
Because He made it once. We can't work on your presumption that God allows and accepts human sacrifice, which you refer to as like for the smell of death. You later equated it slyly as "many times". Glory to God, things are better cleared up now.

You are free to continue to apply your persistent misinterpretation to what I said as much as you want. However you are not disagreeing that your god can make exceptions as many times as he wants you just want it know he did it this one time. If he wanted to do it again would he require your permission? LoL

Image123:
No, i didn't but your submission is well noted.

Why then did you object when I said he can make exceptions when ever he likes? Are you disagreeing just because you are speaking to an atheist?

Image123:
So God is not limited for condemning human sacrifice, good.

You are the one saying he can't make exceptions when he likes so lol.

Image123:
Is a condemnation of human sacrifice by God your definition of being limited?

Where did I make such a definition?

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HUSTLER001:
My boss have asked her employees to either take the corona vaccine or resign. I didn't but I don't want to resign either. I'm expecting to get sacked and take up a legal suit. I still need advice though.

If you get sick by contracting covid in your office now you'll be demanding that your office foot your medical bills, simple precaution you don't want to take.

Image123:
Of course, He's omnipresent. You still remember, that's so cute.

Actually I forgot but you reminded me.

kingxsamz:
I know it's late.

I will start calling you jedijedi man. LoL

Image123:
You tell me, should He be otherwise?

You're the one with a god you tell me. Is he limited or not?

Image123:
He's everywhere even when you are snide. lol

Sure he is, even when people are making love he's there watching. LoL!

AmazonTopaz:
Trump and the GA GQP are a disgrace.
They tried to please the clown but he wasn't pleased instead they ended up being made fools of and played themselves.

LMAO

Bwahahahahaha! My goodness, if I was reading Trump as a character in a book I'd be disappointed in the author yet in real life we had a full blown clown as president.

budaatum:
Where is my darling troll? I miss you!

Bwahahahahaha! Badass buda.

Image123:
Once is not anytime He likes, is it?

So he is limited?

Image123:
The Ark coincidentally is Jesus Christ, lol.

Nice to know. LoL

hiddendude:
Disclaimer: I'm a theist and this thread isn't to say morality isn't objective, it aims to highlight problems with the divine command theory.


A long surviving philosophical quandary (problem) to believing in God-dictated morality is the Euthyphro problem. It was posed by Socrates to Euthyphro in a discourse and it goes thus:

"Is the pious loved by the gods because it is pious or it is pious because it is loved by the gods?"

Simply put: "Is something right because it is commanded by God or God commands something because it is right?"

While this doesn't seem like it is a problem, it poses a huge one regardless of what your answer is. To explain how, I'll take each horn of the problem and explain why it is a problem.



1. Something is right because God commands it:

You might be compelled to think God only commands appealing things like "do not kill", "do not commit adultery" e.t.c. but those of us who know our Old Testament, would agree that God does command killing when he feels like it.
Now, imagine a hypothetical scenario where God appears to you and says he's reversing the 10 commandments and you can now do their opposites and not obeying this instruction would be a sin. Would you?


2. God commands something because it is right:

This implies that there is something above God. How? God commanding something because it is right means he cannot command what is wrong, hence he is obliged by such circumstance. If God could never at some point command what he pleases, it means God like us is obliged to a moral standard and is thus below it. It means morality is what God has just discovered and uses. It is not right because he commands it, he commands it because it is right. This makes God superfluous or unnecessary with regards to the grand scope of morality. It means if God did not ever exist, morality would still exist because it is independent of God's command.



Your thoughts?

It's a real dilemma for the divine command theory. For me it's a clear indicator that I can figure out my morality independent of a god or religion.

hiddendude:
1. The universe couldn't have always existed as this is inconsistent to how we experience it. Cause and effect work with a forward computation of time from a possible point (a possible infinity).
There are two kinds of infinity (possible infinity and actual infinity). A possible infinity begins with a point in the past and continues infinitely into the future. An actual infinity exists infinitely in the past and continues infinitely into the future (e.g integers on a number line).

Like I pointed out your understanding of infinity is flawed. If the universe is infinite then there'd be no point in speaking about a beginning, we will not be able to identify it. This does not now translate to it is impossible for the universe to be infinite, that is a conclusion you really have no basis to arrive at.

2. If the universe were an actual infinity, then the present epoch would be logically impossible. How? Like I posited in the first argument, cause and effect work with a forward computation of time from a possible point. We understand this because we get to present times by successive additions. To understand this, think of the number line. The number 0 stands for the present epoch/point in time, negative numbers represent past epochs and positive numbers represent future epochs. Think of a hypothetical situation in which you have to traverse the number line from negative numbers to 0 (you do this by making successive additions e.g -3, -2 (-3+1), -1(-2+1), 0 (-1+1)). Such an addition is only possible if you have a starting point from which such additions can be made. If you traverse infinitely into the negative part of the number line (i.e numbers before 0 on the number line), you'll never make successive additions because it would be impossible to pick a starting point, hence you'll never get to 0.

Again you are making a flawed conclusion about infinity. A section of infinity can be understood just as we can understand 1-1,000 even though the series of integers is infinite. Therefore if our current epoch is a part of a series of infinite epochs then we are able to understand it within limits.

3. If the universe existed infinitely in the past, there can be no cause and effect because a forward computation of time would be impossible within the universe.

There is no reason why an infinite series of causes and effects can not be the case, you simply have no data upon which to draw a conclusion either way.

4. The universe must have a beginning for cause and effect to be possible.

This an indeterminate question especially with regards to infinity.

5. If the universe had a beginning, then itself is an effect of a greater cause. Whatever caused the universe must itself not be caused as this would lead to an infinite regress which we must reject because we know it is possible to make forward computations of time which would not be possible with an infinite regress as demonstrated using the number line. This thus leads us to infer that this cause is itself actually infinite.

Again there is no reason to speculate an uncaused cause and deny the same attribute to the universe.

6. This actually infinite cause transcends the universe because it precedes it.

This like a magic trick, there was no universe but a cause existed in this no universe state. How can that be? How can something exist before existence?

7. Thus God is the best possible explanation for this as the concept of God assumes actual infinity is a feature of God.

Another fantastic Olympic leap. How do you know this cause is not an idiot savant or some form of energy we have no concept of or even a being that expired after birthing the universe or any of the many concepts men have postulated over the ages?

I'm open to counterarguments with logic.

Looking forward to your response.

FYI: I am not arguing for an infinite universe, my point is you have no real basis to declare it one way or the other.

basilico:
Is it not true? That leftists are now unhinged, the media is the propaganda arm of the democrats now so openly, gas prices are up because Joe Biden stopped a pipeline construction and wants to wean off oil to EV ( a practical impossibility for at least a century) .

Joe Biden' s America is no different from a commie state. BLM burn stuff all over , no one is arrested.

LMFAO! OMFD cry me a river.

basilico:
I would say under Biden the left has become unhinged. Their ultimate goal is not very hard to decipher.

Power at all costs. Their electoral reform bill is full of loopholes to let them rig.
Their spending bills have a lot of $$$ for their pet projects ie climate change, clean fuels, abortion on demand, insane lockdowns due to covid, uninhibited immigration . Today Biden has 20k unaccompanied children whereas Trump had only 2600 and all media could talk about was children in cages that Obama built.
Biden has also appointed leftists to key positions in the judicial and cabinet levels. Extreme leftists.

He's planning to increase taxes to fund his infrastructure shovel ready jobs that Obama spectulariry failed in creating. And for pet projects too.

He is just enacting Obama era policies , and I think he is a marionette with other players like Obama pulling the strings behind him.

This sounds like a baby whining for his mother's breast milk. LoL