₦airaland Forum

@post
while i wont come on here and profess to have an indepht knowledge of nigerian history,especially concerning the pre independence era and the parts played by the leaders of that time,one thing that the article failed to address is the reason why the south failed to form a strong opposition to these injustice,prior to independence,especially seeing as they have seen the hand writing on the wall, one recurrent decimal from the accounts i have read is the issue of trust,its all very well and good calling these who aided them mugus,but an objective individual will thoroughly examine why the south opted to support the north,the underlying issues and concerns they shared,why the south south also supported nigeria,the issues and their concerns e.t.c before coming to a conclusion as to them being mugus.

i think the article also erroneously assumed that the north did not bring anything to the table as it were,their contributions to nigeria shouldnt be dismissed even though most of what the article said is the truth,no matter "the born to rule"ideology shared by by northerners,the only single reason they have been able to perpetually practise it is because of the coniviance of the same south including the south east,the technocrats,the politicians e.t.c

like someone said ,abuja's overwhelming northern influence isnt just because of some clandestine northern agenda,but its geographical proximity to the northern areasthis might have had the effect of more northerners than other tribes migrating there,after all,other tribes only started migrating to abuja not more than 20 years ago or considerably less,and it is mostly populated by northerners so it stands to reason more northerners will be ministers.

sentiments aside,from indications and accounts of the abiola saga we have been reading and hearing,abiola was not betrayed by the northern oligarchy as the media has been drumming into our ears,abiola's betrayers are in government right now,they are people close to him,from his own ethnic groups,from the south east,middle belt e.t.c
while the north might segregate other tribes living in their states,the writer has failed to mention hausas living in south eastern or south western states,are they not segregated as well?
dont south west and south easterns generally discriminate against them as being either dirty,smelly e.t.c its much more prevalent in our tv programmes with the negative stereotyping of hausas as fit for nothing more than mai guards,ignorant and illiteratecontent with his small transistor radio and small shack selling sweets and biscuits, the point here is that we are all guilty of it all tribes inclusive.

all the problems,and injustices meted out to other tribes by the northerners would never have happened if not for the tacit coniviance of the south east and south west,middle belt. the day they put ethnic distrust amongst each other aside and self interest then they can form a viable opposition to the northerners,where financial inducement will not make them break ranks,one pertinent point we must not fail to take note of is the fact that,majority of the average northerners are suffering from the same norther domination that the rest of nigerians are suffering from,so they are sort of between the devil and the deep blue sea, i wish articles such as this will make the distinction between "NORTHERN OLIGARCHS" AND "AVERAGE NORTHERNERS.

[quote author=B.O.S.S. link=topic=225168.msg3400291#msg3400291 date=1233240143]So would you support him if he changes his name to Badluck Jonathan?[/quote]its got a lot more to do with people's perception of him than anything else,so it ll require more than a change of name to help him,for instance like growing a spine and hold things down like atiku did when he was vice,having his own personality instead of shuffling about the place like a lost 5 years old kid

[quote author=must_a_far link=topic=224581.msg3400273#msg3400273 date=1233239889]Lucabrasi, u be like chemistry textbook. darn HARD to understand. yes he built the consulting room, but the darn consulting room wasnt good enough for him. he flew to florida for medical checkup, so says his PRO or whatever they call them these days. your thots are simply kinked when it comes to some things.[/quote] which one ababio or chemistry for beginners?
im just trying to say the fact that he built the ultra modern hospitals should be enough as its his individual choice to go anywhere for his health,lets be honest here,if you had health concerns that you r alarmed at,will you put the state or nigeria first or your life? by nature every single human being is selfish and will pursue their self interest first before anything, its basic human nature and shouldnt be counted against the man is what im saying.

kinked?theres nothing you people wont compare me with on here,first someone said gunk was coming out of my mouth yesterday,your own is that i have kinked thots GOD dey lol

i cant help but feel sorry for socia prefect goodluck jonathan, he has had nothing but bad l;uck since he became the vice president,i bet he ll be wishing he had been a governor instead of vp

@post
hmmmnnn, i see, there is fire on the mountain,and everybody seems to be on the run mr toks evidence pls
[quote author=B.O.S.S. link=topic=176871.msg3399847#msg3399847 date=1233234925]

?[/b] _{It must sure be a hell lot of fees to represent a fraudster.}[/quote]evidence pls,we r still waiting , he he he

i dont think fashola's wife has an ngo,besides i think the lady should be given the benefit of doubt till she abuses the trust,i dont think her husband will allow her to use the ngo to siphon funds,at least not at the rate the iboris dukes e.t.c did, i dont have any evidence of this just speculations though

Kobojunkie:
For the umpteenth time, if that explanation is what gets your mind to settle down finally, I am cool and my observation stands.

and if ranting and raving your way through will keep your bp down,then im all for it as well,im sure your observation and your stance on lagos/nigeria is constant just like the clocks in greenwich london

[quote author=must_a_far link=topic=224581.msg3397588#msg3397588 date=1233179982]how can a governor who part of his achievement as governor was that he constructed "2 ultra modern hospitals" seek treatment in another country? i guess all he constructed was an ultra modern consulting room.[/quote]maybe because he a can afford to? considering he has been in the civil service as an engineer for 15 years, and the last i heard the constitution has not forbidden that,the most important thing which the focus should be on is if he actually built the hospitals or not,if he did then pls give him kudos and stop bringing up issues that are not important, go and ask the citizens of the state enjoying the hoispitals if they are bothered about him using it or not

bindex:
All their "ACCOMPLISHMENTS" are only on the pages of news papers.

where else would the accomplishments be published seeing as we r not residents in yobe?have you conclusive evidence that the hospitals are non existent before your assertions?

its getting hot hot in here who is an assasin again than ran away from naija?
and who is the man that that ran a money transfer coy down?
please we r awaiting the juicy details lol

its no suprise that the nans leadership has become sycophants and government lapdogs, with the state of nigerian universities,this is what i was trying to say just a couple of weeks ago about the sahara reports guy sowore not doing much to highlight the decadence and corruption going on in nigerian universities,politicians have invaded universities including student unions ,nans and other student bodies and they r no better than the leaders they condemn all the time,

lol which one is my own,abeg its a free world o, dont mind me i was just making a casual observation of the eyes lol

[quote author=must_a_far link=topic=223917.msg3397010#msg3397010 date=1233171121]kobo u see wetin ur "rotflmao" don cause. now u r predictable! stop being so predictable already! change to lol or lmaorotf[/quote]na real wa for supporters club o,maybe this dude/dudette should run for a political post with this level of support, all hail the brigade

Kobojunkie:
And those of us who grew up in the state in question here who actually read the article that followed, and went to the site to check our facts are not serious for not reacting in the same way by injecting Fashola's name into it immediately? Hey!! like I said, whatever excuse fits, you are free to slap it on it to make yourself feel good. It really do not matter to me if you feel you need to inject the man's name into it all and make it a fight FOR OR AGAINST FAshola in all things. Now attacking the TOPIC is now the card you play.

I just observed and saw cause to laugh at you for doing it yet again. . . . If that does not sit well with you, I can not help you there as this is a free forum.

you read the article cause it fits into your usual stance on most issues when it concerns nigeria/lagos, as far as i am concerned,any article that is subjective isnt worth the 5 mins of my life,seeing as you read the article from front to back why dont you publicly show not me but everyone on here where it wasnt addressing the situation in lagos?maybe the article was about osun state perhaps,or sokoto state?

like i said before predictable, in fact ill be totally suprised and really worried and uncomfortable if you didnt laugh at all as that ll be so unlike 99.9999% of your comments

Kobojunkie:
Hey!! If your mind swallows all that gunk as valid reasons for your injecting Fashola into this and turning this into yet another PRO vs ANTI Fashola thread, good for you!!! If it keeps you sane, that is all that Matters. roflmao!!

i hear you,but not suprised really, resorting to sly verbal barbs as a reply to comments is really not the way to go, in case you dont belive my comments however all you have to do is glance up from your screenie and you ll see the thread heading again, LAGOS,NIGERIA,DONT GO THERE lol lol my mind doesnt have to sawllow anything as its visually clear to anyone the connection fashola has to lagos being what the thread is all about, but hey you might be right im getting it wrong lol

now that you have gotten that off your chest,calm down and dont take it so personal as if i have done more than make comments online lol.
as for fashola,im sorry to announce to you that come this time in 2011/2012 he ll still be right there,so you ll still be seeing him for a very long time

in case you have not read the article,lagos state was the focus,and even the thread heading was LAGOS,NIGERIA,DONT GO THERE, so who should be the obvious reference ill use in making my comments if not the present governor of that state?unless theres something im missing here,

lol who want the attention?r you sure it isnt you with your ever increasing posting of your trademark into every single thread?
as to the reason for injecting fashola into my comments,the above reason is more than enough to satisfy your curiousity and enquiry

donipal:
lucabrasi yes typical nairaland response. i hope u come back to nigeria and see the effect of poverty in our country.am not saying that people who died should be disrespected on their account of misdeed. as nuzo said politicians who do not live up to public expectation should not be celebrated.pls save us the breath of decency thanks

i do go back to nigeria thank you, you should direct that comment to the andrews that have checked out wayyyy back,
while i appreciate whatever he said and his right and yours to free speech,i hope you respect my right to free speech as well?and my own believe is that any human being that has left "the playing field"in a manner of speaking will meet his/her own judgement whereever he is presently and so shouldnt get adittional insults or abuse from mere mortals and whichever religion one practices has highlighted this fact

nigerians including you and anyone making noise now that the man is dead had all the opportunities when the man was alive,so how come it took his death for abuses and insults?
good for you if you dont want to have a sense of decency,but i hope you can see the subsequent comments after this one again,how many of them have followed your steps in abusing or insulting the man? lol

taking what personal??i made a comment and you called me out on it, now im taking it personal for replying you,whats wrong with us nigerians sef?

lets hope this will be the incentive for armchair critics to finally go back home and put their words into real pro active action

donipal:
lucrabis wetin be your problem abi dey give u part of the loot.what do you mean by decency ?havent you been reading other peoples comment its obvious that you are day dreaming

typical nairaland response
yes i have been reading other people's response,something i suggest you do as well including the one just before yours

predictable,

UNLEASHED:
see what that stupid thing wrote about Lagos and Nigeria as a whole for heaven's sake!!! what's his expected goal??

his expected goal is the same as all the other nigerian/african bashing mediums, neo liberalism,imperialism modern style all in a bid to keep nigeria in perpetual poverty,why should the westerners see anything good in lagos when fashola is running contrary to their usual expectations?if they did then fashola might be in danger of spreading that new way of doing things to nigerians and other states making us ledd dependent on the western world,knowing and fighting for our rights and leading other african countries in a united defiance of western world/values

[quote author=B.O.S.S. link=topic=224470.msg3394574#msg3394574 date=1233144009]@ Lucabrasi

I didn't engage in abusive comments with you and no that's not me especially when I know someone makes sense and things things in a bird's eye view which you normally do sometimes and I'll not take it from you.
Why on earth did you engage in indirect intonation saying I prayed to my God for the death of someone, then talking about how I said CCTV would fail, plus calling me a hypocrite? That takes no hair from my skin but i don't think I'll ever abuse you for not having the same opinion as mine - No mate, I don't go down like that.

But if you take it the wrong way, I'm openly saying sorry . Though I still maintain that we need a major top-down overhaul and NO, I'm not a hypocrite.[/quote]common now,what would you think if you saw an individual making fun of and pouring vitriol on a dead man?we all know the guy was probably corrupt im not disputing that,but i pointed this out to you and you remember the subsequent comments you made,that informed my comments on you rejoicing at his death.i never inferred or said you are rejoicing at the death of everybody or every nigerian but the man specifically.

like i said about the cctv situation,if you are to be totally honest and i can pull up the comments if you want,there were comments saying that lagos state doesnt need cctv now and that it will not work,the thread is still there in the second page,you can check it for reference,so i wasnt wrong on that neither.

i was not calling you as an individual an hypocrite but nigerians generally both home and abroad,you just happen to be the personification because you made the comment many nigerians tend to make without checking themselves,if you cared to read my last comment before this,i took the pains of explaining myself and in what context i made the statement,pls dont react to comments untill you have asked the person who made it to clarify which you know im always happy to do,you have a right to your opinions but i still maintain that corruption and other vices we are quick to accuse our leaders of need to be purged from us first,
1.we collect money to vote politicians in yet we blame them for being corrupt when we initiated it
2.we jump the queu at filling stations because we are always impatient yet we accuse leaders of using sirens
3.our students will rather bribe lecturers than study hard yet the the next generation accuse nigerian leraders of falsification
4.we would rather pay 10,000 naira for a 3 days intern passport rather than wait a week,or international linsence, how many diasporians who havbe a nigerian lincense actually did the drtiving test and went about it the proper way,including myself?
5.how many of us urinate or drop litter all over on a regular ,not pay tax e.t.c yet we are quick to blame the government
6.ill re iterate my point agin about nigerians in the diaspora,if poverty is the reason for crime by nigerian youths,what are the reasons nigerians indulge in crime abroad in large numbers?are the corrupt politicians responsible as well?

@toksajayi
bros,you are really vexing o,
abeg take it easy,calm down, im not holding brief for anybody but dont you think this your approach will be counter productive to the dapo guy?
you know the saying in law,that he who comes to equity comes with clean hands(not sure i got it right)
you r saying he shouldnt be judged on his past,but dont you reckon the fact that he is vying for an exalted position of authority is enough reason why he must be grilled?

its not enough that he has come online to answer questions,but he must be honest enough to answer all the questions truthfully and without any form of bias,it is not enough that he is doing charitable works,if that was the qualification then there are a lot of us on here who are qualified but it takes much more than that, look at the antics of the house of reps concerning the constitutional amendment presently?isnt that enoug reason to be twice shy as we have been beaten many times?

another important point i want you to note is that,while you are defending the guy's past i.e driving a v boot or navigator e.t.c you will see from his previous comments the guy has never admitted that he did these stuffs wrong, for his sake and oyoy state i suggest you calm down and let him answer people's questions,if you start abusing people either individually or collectively then you ll turn people off even coming back to the thread or votinhg him in

@nuzo
Its so clear that you are the one taking panadol for another man's headache.
Where did i ask the sufferheads to curse him instead of paying condolences? Are you one of the sufferheads?

Like you said in your second post; we have different personalities so we have different ideas. You can choose to celebrate dead rogues while i choose to question their loots and other corrupt practices; whether they are dead or alive.

One thing i would never be caught doing is condemning him on his private life, like sleeping with his daughter in-law

@nuzo
you think im the one taking panadol for another's headache?well there wonderful saying in english language which my dad uses quite a lot,its called "having a sense of decency"
i guess you see it as panadol for another man's headache,thats probably where we differ so i totally agree.

you can call me sufferhead or suffer plenty or anything in your vocabulary but thank GOD most people who have posted on your thread have vindicated my stance, your objective for opening the thread was for people to pour vitriol on a dead man because he was a governor but you check majority of the comments and see if they agree with you or with what i have said, you even attacked a comment as using the name of GOD in vain just because he had the decency to say his Islamic words in his condolence,who is taking it serious again me or you??

why wont you condemn his personal life?pls dont dissappoint me o,if i were you,ill go the whole hog and curse and condemn anything and everything concerning him,not sure where you are based but if its same country as where he died ill helpfully suggest you do the Iraqi style and get a couple of old slippers and shoes and beat his dead body

[quote author=B.O.S.S. link=topic=224470.msg3392457#msg3392457 date=1233087283]Now what you're doing is poining fingers and in a blind way for that matter. Could you review your comment and see where you've erred but I guess your pride won't let you. We just tried toscrutinise the CCTV me and my brigade eh?) - whatever.

Me and my people pray for people to die of Leukaemia - Boy get a life.

The fact that I said Nigeria needs a major overhaul (of our political system) - And you find that hypocritical - Why do I just find you amusing?
Now I know why you blindly support Mr I_clown with his silly in-your-face approach.
Enjoy man, it's your rhetoric . . . enjoy![/quote]and here i was thinking you r not like most people on here using verbal bashing as an armour,rather than reply in kind, i just have to let you know im thoroughly dissappointed,if you have seen my past comments, you ll know me enough that i dont back down from comments of these sort, but i really dont want to be known for that or for insults and verbal barbs to overshadow any iota of sense i make.

now to answere your comments whilke trying my damnest to be totally civil and objective,
i have reviewed my comments and im still struggling to see where i have erred,from the first phrase or part you bolded,i said you r being hypocritical BASED ON YOUR RETORT TO MY COMMENT, now i didint make the comment in isolation but wrote down the reasons informing my coimments,however try and correct me where i have erred so that i can either explain myself better or tender a public apology lol.

i have a very good memory sir,and i vividly recall some saying that cctv IS NOT AND SHOULD NOT BE A GOVERNMENT PREROGATIVE AT THIS TIME,THE THREAD IS STILL THERE PLS GO AND CHECK THE FIRT 2/3 PAGES, I DIDNT MANUFACTURE THESE THINGS,I JUST CHOOSE NOT TO MENTION NAMES

get a life??dude that is so lame and over used come up with something more original abeg lol
what else do you want me to say when you are all rejoicing and dancing over a man's death because he is a politician?
did you stop to think the man might have little children who will never see their dad again or wife/wives?


ok ill tell you why i said you are being hypocritical,first i was using you in the context of a nigerian(including yourself making the comment i might add)

you said we need a top down approach to the over haul,making it solely the fault of the leaders and not the average nigerian,which is totally false and hypocritical, reason being that we average nigerians both at home and abroad have corruption and a dodgy way of doing things ingrained in our system,i listed some stuffs nigerians did which has emmeshed corruption, lets assume nigerians in nigeria have the excuse of poverty,what is the excuse of the nigerians abroad??that is why i said you are being an hypocrite,hope you gerrit now, we all know and appreciate nigeria needs a complete overhaul nobody on here has ever disputed that,where we disagree is where it should start finito!


now im blindly sup[porting i clown?lol i wont mention names but i want both you and me to do a very quick what i call nairaland pol threads exercise, check the past couple of days the threads you have posted in and see weho you have been supporting in every single thread, then check my comments and who i have been "blindly!" supporting then you make up your mind who has been following anyone, its pertinent to note that your comments are susally followed by  some support in one form or another, you disagree?check all your comments on this section

pls,desist from the insults sir cause i really can give as good as i get im not mandating you but appealing

nuzo:
So you are the guy who was going to call for my head? Keep coming; its a free world huh?

Anyway, whether it's beating or feeding a dead horse; the point is that nigerians should stop immortalizing dead or living rogues.
Nigerians should also learn how to prosecute dead rogues; send them to jail or execute them in absentia. Enough of "dont speak bad of the dead".

I would only sympathize with any of his family member who openly disassociated himself during the looting.
As for the dead beast; may he rot in hell.

lol chairman dont take yourself or nairaland so serious,calling for your head ??
you can curse him all you like its none of my bizniz you have your mouth or computer i have mine,the only reason i wrote a retort to your comment was because of what you wrote about sufferhead people paying condolence,like i said,a 3 yrs old can say anything about a dead politician what are we going to do about the living ones?are we waiting for them to die of leukemia before we start dancing too?lol[quote author=B.O.S.S. link=topic=224581.msg3392344#msg3392344 date=1233085442]I hope Lucabrasi can answer that. Did you pray for Abacha - - @ Lucabrasi?[/quote]i didnt pray for him neither did i curse him

[quote author=B.O.S.S. link=topic=224470.msg3392318#msg3392318 date=1233085057]You wanna know? Everything!!! Why on earth would you let patriotism becloud your judgment? On a "wholistic" approach, Naija is not getting better at all. So Oshodi is getting cleaner means Nigeria dey better? And Aneneh is back, does that means Naija is getting worse? Look man, leadership starts from the top and we need to have a major overhaul. I realised you didn't criticise the police that arrested the goat as a robbery suspect (by the way, blame that on Nigeria is getting funnier) all because of your Ribadu-effect of partial analysis.

Oh well, it's getting better at least one rogue just died. God judged him for us. I no go talk o. I go just siddon dey look.[/quote]patriotism beclouding my judgement?hell no sir, when i see something good and worthwhile being done i commend and encourage, i dont throw the baby out with the bathwater,last time i checked oshodi in lagos is still part of nigeria no?and btwi can only talk about lagos because that is the only state im conversant with,some have posted pictures of porthacourt as well.
where did anenih go before?was madueke the present external affairs minister not part of aneni's crowd?so why the suprise,did fashola or other state governors install yar adua or anenih there?
of course we all know nigeria needs a overhaul however calling for a top down overhaul is being hypocritical, have you searched yourself as a nigerian and you are blameless?
after that can we start trying to call leaders to order, how many nigerians add little lies to embassy applications?
pay a little extra to buy fuel without queing,getting documents from the various local governments with little bribes,giving the policeman roger e.t.c

what about the policeman arresting a goat?i didint even bother reading it talk less of posting simply because they are part of the casualities of nigeria,i should be asking you the same question after all you and your brigade disagreed with cctv as an alternative form of policing and crime detterent, a police arresting a goat is the viable alternative you ll rather go for in lagos while they presumably use the funds to buy goats for lagodsians to feed on,

yes you are right GOD has helped you ppl to take the life of one rogue according to you,what are you doing about the millins of living rogues,or will you be waiting for them to die of leukemia as well?

@post
there are more than enough living corrupt politicians,diasporians and 10/15 years away nigerians should travel down to nigeria and see about addressing that instead of doing macabre dance on a dead man's body,even a 3 yrs old child can abuse a dead man so

[quote author=B.O.S.S. link=topic=224470.msg3392006#msg3392006 date=1233080369]I copied that from you and thought it befits the sake of this argument very well.[/quote]i see,thank GOD for english language next?
i hope you get the general context of my comment tho,that you dont view progress from a corner or a section of nigeria but on thew whole,what has npa and tony anenih got to do with fashola for instance or oshodi being clean or dirty?

meexteriox:
@Lucabrasi
What exactly is your point?

im sure you have a sizeable command of english language sir,so please read my comments and you ll get my point capische?

nigerians,and im the one always forcing my views on everybody i wonder what these comments are if not verbally bullying people who want to make comments without anyone jumping on their backs

AGAIN,infantille comments running rough shod over the poster's reason for opening the thread

nuzo:
See nigerians and condolence messages; its even too much anytime a big belle rogue kaput.

It so unbelievable that you sufferheads have not realize that you are the ones that should be recieving condolence messages. You guys keep getting played by criminals who will loot your treasury, live a comfortable life, marry many wives and jets off to a 5 star hospital abroad to die peacefully.

I also find it funny that those rogues and their praise singers have been urging diasporans to come back and witness christmas lights on the pothole filled roads only to check out at every little opportunity they get.

Its a shame he died a diasporan.

and you have honestly thought it out and you reckon the best thing for nigerians to do is to start jumping up and down like baboons high on speed because a man died of leukemia?
the fact that he died in any star hospital with however many wives isnt lost on anyone,the pertinent point here is that,whichever way he lived and whatever he has done he is presently now being judged by whoever he believes in either allah or GOD so its not for us to start running our mouths,im sure you have heard the saying before"beating a dead horse"

maybe its just me and i accept we all have different personalities, but i dont find morbid humour funny in the least,

[quote author=B.O.S.S. link=topic=224581.msg3390675#msg3390675 date=1233066801]You meant RIP Madman Bello [/quote]common now that wasnt called for, im sure you dont wish leukemia on your enemy talk less of your friend or yourself,besides the man is out of this world and being judged by GOD so no human being should pass judgement or say stuffs we know he cant rise up to defend

is it privately owned or government owned,and where exactly is ada in osun state, as ill be in osun state later this year, do they have instructors who ll teach or you just go off on your own?
also how safe is it,my dad come around these parts and he plays golf and many of his friends so i can help you do free adverts