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the funny thing about all this is that the senate and house of reps are as useless as a zero after decimal, there was an enquiry on the whole banking practises which came back with many alarming and frightening finds,but just like the power probe nothing has come of it after some money s exchanged hands alledgedly, its doubly sad because of the potential both the banks,and the nigerian economy have if they r above board,

how can a dangote or jimoh ibrahim or otedola with their billions still be owing banks billions of money without any attempt to pay back?they dont care if this has had a knock on effect on the average nigerian entrepreneur and its really sad

cre8tivity:
sweet heart, how does a lady speak?

no vex o,but all the bastard this bastard that isnt helping your stance on issues, its just an observation not criticism

irrespective of what has transpired,i just hope the man goat has enough sense to transform himself back now that it/he is out of police custody if he doesnt want to be transformed into several plates of pepper soup or asun

@post
correct me if im wrong,but im struggling to see why this requires an elaborate thread,these kind of decisions is left for you to make irrespective of what anyone thinks, and besides im sure no matter how much the girl thinks of you,she wont be running after you or begging you on a daily or hourly basis to accept money off her

@creativity
pls speak like a lady sometimes and watch your language,
@post
it is a welcome development only if this same properties will not be transferred to the people in power presently,then what has been the use?
i dont see the names of present government ministers and officials in the presidency there so im highly skeptical of the whole thing

enziga:
You ara dreaming.


Lol what's wrong with dreaming? I never said it is guaranteed to work, i said i believe it would work, I didn't say i know it would work.

you are on point ,i also agree with you that its a process and theres no indication to say it wont work,if you ask me i think that is one of if not the most fundamental problems facing nigeria and nigerians, patriotism

by watching a sermon series from a gifted and highly enlightened man of GOD pastor mathew ashimolowo, try and get a copy of the dvd series or book"what is wrong in being black"

there is still an abundance of young nigerian men and women who fit that mould, and we shouldnt make defeatist comments as we can only speak for ourselves.
@poster
nice one and i sure hope a lot of nigerian youths both in nigeria and the diaspora heed your call and you gys can get things moving

people have started again with unsubstansiated rumours o, so because the guy is doing whatever with a girl and drinking champagne,it must have been nigeria's stolen wealth and from his father??

let us watch our mouths before we make totally erroneous judgement like we always do even in the midst of either minute or no evidence at all, anyone who knows diya inside out and personally knows the children know that diya doesnt give his children and never did give them any preferential treatment,they got treated like any other child of an army officer even when he was second in command!

@poster
dont mind the guy,all he is trying to do is play into the collective pshyche of majority of the south africans, so that he will be shown some mercy, lets forget about the nigeria issue for a second
is he saying he hoestly doesnt recognise one of their biggest stars?its like a nigerian saying they dont know 2 face or dbanj or osuofia in london guy.

and even if he doesnt for some reason,lucky dube clearly doesnt look nigerian in any way shape or form,least of all the rasta hairdo,for their sake i just hope the judges dont fall for that excuse

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why have you got two totally different and unconnected articles in the same thread now?anyway may her soul rest in perfect peace,really sad

yes and you are totally on point pre-judging without evidence right?lol
why dont u let me make the judgement first before accusing me of anything

;d ;d

are you sure you read the whole article?
the dude is not painting a bad omen but being understandably worried considering what we have experienced of the niger delta,i quite agree that while the indigenes of imo state might complain now,knowing nigerian politicians, things will be ten times worse and they will have much more fundamental problems to contend with when the oil drilling starts in earnest.

personally i hope the indigenes raise awarness of these issues and resist any proper drilling or further exploration untill they have a cast idron agreement in place for dealing with the waste that ll ensue from the drilling,gas flaring e.t.c

JJYOU:
this is what they pay the people that gave them good education with.too many proffessors and ekiti this and that. ado ekiti, usi ekiti, ipe ekiti, ikole ekiti, erio.

maybe they should turn all them to different states. nigeria can afford the bill

totally agree with you,more so most of them even enjoyed free education schorlaship and rather than return the favour for the indigenes to enjoy they r playing politics with it,its just sad that one cant point to a voice of reason in the midst of the mini war going on there,
the only state where a speaker and his reps did target practise with a pistol,deputy governor accused of master minding assasination and currently holding the record for political assasinations, hopefully if they still have elders and leaders who are morally upright left,they will step in and arrest the situation before it gets out of hand

cctv is just a minuscule part of the i.t revolution in nigeria,i think the it human resources is actually where the big boom will happen in nigeria with that development, and tele sales as a very viable by product which will provide employment and skills to millions of nigerian youths, india has had their turn and its ours now, especially as we are not only the most populous but our english is clearer than that of the indians and most other nations where these tele sales skills have been outsourced,the yahoo boys will also be gainfully employed as software testers and develop the yahoo skills in a positive way

sashbaby:
who told you the oppostion are in support.pls highlight one good legacy he left behind.am really sick and tired of your baseless comments filled with sentiments.people like you made this thread boring.pls travel to yobe.

in case you havnt realised,i really dont care one way or another if any thread is interesting or boring as long as im telling the truth my motto is "no friend,no foe" .note my words carefully right from the get go,i said i do not know, and so will find it difficult to make any categorical statement or comment if the man was corrupt or not,if you have evidence why dont you post it on here then i can make my judgements about him.i dont know any legacy good or bad that he left,all i know is that "from all indications"available to us at this time i.e media,press the man seemed to be loved, that might be false but that is the generally projected view,what comments have i made that is fuelled by sentiment, where you see sentiments i see common sense and sense of decency.

if you have been there,and the man has not done anything,then it should be very easy for you to prove it,right?

[quote author=B.O.S.S. link=topic=224581.msg3416232#msg3416232 date=1233595546]Lucabrasi,
try and reduce the spacing of the above post please.

[/quote]whats spacing got to do with anything?you can read them clear enough cant you?so forget about presentation, dont let me erroneously assume that you are throwing a side pass in support of your friend o

sashbaby:
lucrabasi why do yoy keep repeating yourself.no body is talking ill of a dead man.what your so called naysayers are saying try to leave a good legacy.people are really tired of govt policies so they sidon look.am sure people from yobe are practicing the sidon look syndrome.what will they gain if they protest and nothing comes out of it.most times they are been told that is the will of GOD in their place of worship.

for someone asserting that i am repeating myself,your comments are frought with baseless assumptions
1.how did you come to that conclusion that the man didnt leave a good legacy?i dont know if he did or not but certainly the actions of the media,and his state has proved otherwise.

2.which government policy are people tired of?yobe state and by extension the late mamman bello?

3.how do you know that the indigenes of the state didnt support both the man and the brother in becoming the deputy governor,hope you realise the opposition supported this as well.

this thread is on the 6th page and till now,we are yet to get the man's perceived "ills or vices while in government"
yet you and your "supporters"are still persisting i your stance,why dont you post some good evidence to prove how corrupt the man was and if he actually built mordern hospitals or not and if he was kind to his people or not

bindex:
How will the CCTV identify the robbers? do they have a database with people's Id stored in it?

most robberies tend to be committed by the same set of people,hence the usual captions you get in the papers like"a gang terrorising for example ikeja area or victoria island area e.t.c
most robbers in nigeria are audacious and brazen enough to rob without covering up their faces,so it s really easy getting a facial database in a matter of weeks and then matching it up with criminals caught after

[quote author=must_a_far link=topic=224581.msg3415151#msg3415151 date=1233584211]Lucabrasi, did u say it was done to pacify his supporters. this is not a case of him being murdered by his opponent. he exited this world when his time was due. so this ur argument u sued to support the actions of the state get as he be. if we have a constitution, we have electoral laws, then him being made deputy is nothing but CORRUPTION![/quote]im not saying i support it as i have said it is illegal, face it, if either i or you or anyone on here supports it or not is inconscequential if the state indigenes support the illegality,have you stopped to wonder like i did why
1.a sitting deputy governor allow this illegality rather than stake his claim?
2.why the opposition did not protest or raise any objection?
3.why the indigenes of the state did not protest or object?

Kobojunkie:
I am going to guess you are going off the verse that says, “Judge Not, lest though be Judged”. Not sure how that verse FORBIDS you from judging or even tells you never to judge. If you read the verses that followed, you will note that you are told to be ready to be judged by the same measure that you judge others. So I see no reason why, if you are not guilty of the same, you should be FORBIDDEN to judge.

ok,now that you have clarified,are you now asserting for the benefit of everyone reading these comments that you are blameless yourself?hence supremely qualified to pass insults and judge him?

so if you were to be judged"by the same measure"using your own words,will you come out clean and blameless or will you be found wanting?

it is not a matter of being guilty of the very same thing,once you are a sinner yourself,either to a lesse or higher degree,you simply have no right under the religion that i practise to judge any human being,especially a deceased one, you do not know if any of the critics on here have done worse yet you are being a mouth piece for these condemning the man,can you conclusively say that every individual who have abused or pre-judged the man will not be found wanting?

Kobojunkie:
Another problem with this mindset is that the same Bible tells you that you are to Judge all things, and to judge righteous judgment. The Same Bible also calls you to make sure to stand afar from those who are doing evil deeds. How will you know them if you are FORBIDDEN to judge them as doers of evil? You are also told in the same Bible that if you see people committing sins against others, and you choose to turn the other way, you are just as guilty as those who you choose to turn away from and the Lord will judge you for that.

while i will try my best to untangle the muddled up responces and assertions from the bible you are making,i hope you realise that,these were different verses for different situations in different contexts, show me a verse and ill show you a unique situation the specific verse was intended for, the bible sees drinking as a sin yet jesus turned water to wine,does it now follow that he supports or condemns it as a sin, different situations,different contexts,

hmmm,and im the one twisting the bible lol lol so you have already found the man guilty without evidence of doing evil?
going by your last assertion,i guess the bible advocates christians being one man/woman vigilantes?lol
remember there is a warning for people who either remove or add to the words of the bible,

Kobojunkie:
Again, please learn your own Bible and stop injecting some verses into debates (debates that have absolutely nothing to do with such) when it is convenient for your brownie points collecting.

if you cared to check my original comment,which you obviously did not before diving in to attack,someone made a statement to the effect that the man shouldnt be judged and i backed it up with the relevant part of the bible where one is forbidden to judge so how is that irrelevant to such?
brwonie points ko,cookie points ni

Kobojunkie:
Unfortunately, I do take it personal when I find people lying and twisting the bible in forums that have nothing to do with religion, so they can seem intelligent in the eyes of those that know not.

lol,you still havent proven where i twisted or lied about the verse in the bible, considering that was your strongest point against me,i was expecting a concise and detailed retort to prove i lied about the verse or that it wasnt connected to the topic/thread,direct question requiring a direct answer without all the twisting and turning you were doing in your reply,

did or didnt the bible say that?i.e that we shouldnt judge,or else we would be judged, simple and delicate lol

Kobojunkie:
No one, NOT A SINGLE SOUL on here, BUT YOU, has chosen to go ON AND ON AND ON about SLAGGING A DEAD MAN OFF. I am afraid all that lives in your mind and you will have to carry on that debate with yourself. When you choose to actually read what people post on here, then maybe you will be on the same page everyone has been for the past 2 pages. So many people have tried up till now to correct you on that but you choose to go on and on there and I am afraid I can not help you.

well,you are right,but the fact that many chose not to join your abuse and insults but opted to pass positive comments and condolence vindicated me,no?
it takes two or more to have a debate,so was i talking to myself or inviting you to dive in and attack my comments?seeing as we dont see eye to eye on most issues,ill have though the expedient action for you to take each time is to totally avoid my comments,who knows, maybe im trying to get you the nairaland celebrity to have a debate with me, lol
so each time i disagree with you,it automatically means im disagreeing with "the people"didnt know you had that much of over reaching powers of though and actions.

hmmmn,i get the last line,so many people meaning "you and others who support your stance"every others who made positive comments,including genuine condolenses without abuse e.t.c are nowhere to be found?or are they part of the "so many people"lol lol i guess not,only these who have supported your stance!
ill keep it in mind,for the next time your royal nairalandess comes down to my level and grace my huimble self with a reply to my comment.

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Kobojunkie:
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Interesting how you base your arguments on an assumption made by you, and then conclude that to be a fact. Are you kidding me?



Are you sure I am the one jumping ahead of self? That YOU have not heard of his ALLEGED sins against his people does not mean they do not exist.

no,im not kidding you and i never held any part of my comments up as fact,any objective mind reading my comments to that effect will have easily discewrned that,but i guess i shouldnt be suprised seeing as that is what you have conditioned your mind to already, talk about pre-judging people

yes and untill we get proof that the man was as bad as you have touted or inffered him to be,will it kill you to simply drop a simple unbiased comment or condolense?just a suggestion and not a command o

Kobojunkie:
The post was focused more on the issue of absolving him ANY SINS HE MAY HAVE COMMITTED AGAINST HIS PEOPLE, that he may enter heaven. Not sure why the other poster there would ask us in here to FORGIVE him to he may GET INTO HEAVEN if there ARE NO SINS and you come in to affirm his demand. Are you sure you are not denying something here yourself? For one you tell him that he has spoken sensibly, and then you try to inject the bible as if it backs that statement in some way( which it does not), and now you turn around to ask me of the sins? Are you awake?

What sins? I ought to ask you that since you affirmed the beliefs of the other poster who urged us to forgive the man that his soul may enter heaven. Or were you BLINDLY affirming that post?

how would a post or poster absolve any man,woman or animal for that matter of sins when he is neither GOD or a religious cleric??lol

in case you dont get what the guy is saying,he is simply saying that irrespective of whatever the man might have done, i.e the man's alledged sin not an issue because he is dead.
he is saying even if the man is holy or not is not important,at this point simple!!
in burials with religious tints,it is popularly intoned that GOD will forgive the dead either he/she was holy/unholy, im suprised you dont know this why your inffered knowledge of the bible.
so what exactly will affirming demand do one way or another?
will it either send him to heaven or hell?
will your comments either positive or negative make any difference to where ever the man is going or is now?

food for thoughts,
the poster spoke very sensibly by asking for a dead man not to be judged,thank GOD he added the quranic verse backing his comment,and i added the bible verse backing the same point,so what are you on?show me where he doesnt back the point up without going round in circles like you r in your retort.

and yes i am awake,you should be asking yourself that,and im asking you again

on what grounds have you pre-judged the man of wrong doing?where is or are your evidence??

no,i wasnt blindling affirming his post,unlike you,he is not pre-judging,i.e he is being impartial which has been my stance, i never said the man was holy,all i said was he shouldnt be abused because he is dead and cant defend himself e.t.c so who is blindly subjective here,
me calling for him not to be abused due to the fact that
1.there is no evidence yet
2.he is dead and cant defend himself
3.because my bible tells me so

or you
1.having already judged and found him guilty of being a criminal
2.passing negative comments about him even though you have no shred of evidence to that effect
3.even tacitly blaming the man for daring to go abroad for treatment and not the hospital he was alleged to have built in his state as if that was a sin

so who is blindly sibjective of us both?lol

[quote author=Kobojunkie link=topic=224581.msg3415431#msg3415431 date=1233587256]Oh yeah!!! The “nobody is perfect” line. I hope you know that does not live in the Bible? Also, if you really believed that, why do you continue to cast down others for making mistakes? I have seen you cast down some of Nigerias leaders and even the west for mistakes made. Why not apply that same rule when you JUDGE those? Let me guess? It only should be applied when it is convenient?

Since when did Sahara reports become the only source of SINS committed by governors in Nigeria? You mean his soul will be judged by the sins record by sahara reports too? Lol

seems you are missing a point here,these leaders i have criticised are alive and kicking,being corrupt and stealing is a crime not a mistake and i make my comments based on such,however when a man is dead,irrespective of what i think of him,i know that GOD will adequately handle that and mete out the appropriate judgement he deserves,so why should i judge him again on earth,especially as we are all sinners, that is the "nobody is perfect"line if you care to know

if our words carried such powers,why didnt we judge him while he was alive?
GOD gave us our chance,and now that he is with GOD,we know pass judgement with our mouths??lol lol

no,i was giving you as wide a lee way as possible to provide evidence of the man's "alleged sins"isnt it food for thought if sahara and other nigerian media havent published the man's "sins"yet?
or you reckon they are waiting for his one year remembrance?

what does that tell you about the man?first the out pouring of love from his people,and nairaland yet to get any evidence of his corruption, the best we have been given is that he didint use the hospitals he built,is that worth insulting a dead man for??lol

UNLEASHED:
his expected goal is the same as all the other nigerian/african bashing mediums, neo liberalism,imperialism modern style all in a bid to keep nigeria in perpetual poverty,why should the westerners see anything good in lagos when fashola is running contrary to their usual expectations?if they did then fashola might be in danger of spreading that new way of doing things to nigerians and other states making us ledd dependent on the western world,knowing and fighting for our rights and leading other african countries in a united defiance of western world/values

@ lucabrasi
Fashola running contrary to their usual expectations? what expectations if i may ask?

their expectation of the usual nigerian corrupt politician/governor, hence theyr dissappointed and to mask their dissappointment,negative reports aimed at undermining the man's works and achievements e.t.c

brownbonno:
The first lady is part of the government,so why do she need an NGO to function ?.Even with good course she is runing a paralel government with her husband.

she is but without either an official function or portfolio as such,if she is sincere and not in it for selfish ends then i dont see anything wrong with it

sashbaby:
you finally replied.your statement confirms my speculation.no dissenting forces so it is an act of GOD

depends on what you r on about exactly?
the man's death?yes ,an act of GOD

the people making his brother a governor?illegal but hey,if thats what they want,and if it ll prevent anarchy while promoting peace and a general consensus who is to argue, the ingigenes of the state know whats best for them.

talking ill of the dead?totally wrong in my book,

reasons?
1.he obviously cant defend himself
2.purely from a religious point of view,he is probably being judged or in the process(no one knows but he will be at some point)so why should i pre judge him when im not his maker?irrespective of whatever perceived ills he has done on earth,the heavenly judgement is final and everlasting,and note this is my own personal view from my own religion.
3.from a political perspective,no one has brought any proven or unproven allegations of wrong doings on the man,the one and only allegation has been that he built 2 hospitals and rather than avail himself of the use of them,opted to go abroad,is that a sin or enough to pour vitriol on him?

you answer that.

modumanga:
Allah ya gafartawa mamman. All muslims and christian are solicited to forgive mamman for all his misdeeds while alive. This would facilitate his enterance to the highest of Paradise.
Please brothers forgive mamman.

LUCABRASI !!!! To err is human and to forgive is divine. I still maintain my position that mamman Ali ia a saint and has served the people of Yobe State positively. If he has committed any wrong during his lifetime, let every body forgive him for the sake of the wonders he performed. This statement remains and have no apology to any critic. QED.

thank you sir,but as usual they will all ignore your comments because its no tying in with what they want to hear, i believe you as well in as much as i have not heard or read a contrary view of the man yet either in the electronic or print media

[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=224337.msg3407800#msg3407800 date=1233396086]Chineke ekwela ihe ojoo.

@Lucabrasi, I hope you are not planning to disrespect your aunty, Tpia? [/quote]i dont get the joke

debosky:
Akande is being pragmatic - he clearly condemned Atiku's visit to Obasanjo. I am not of the opinion that you need to seclude yourself to appear clean or make an impact. These parties/structures will not change from the outside-in but only from the inside-out. The essential aim of the party was to prevent OBJ from destroying all opposition to his PDP, and they have achieved that to an extent. In that regard it is succeeding.

No 'old man' is telling any young one to relinquish power. I know the case of Adedibu is well documented, but apart from that, most Yoruba governors at present are relatively young and are in positions of power from their own efforts (corrupt or otherwise) and not based on some old man's backing.

hmmmn,i dont belief you r supporting akande here,while i must say the man comes across as being genuine but what one looks or talks like is toally different from what one actually does,his antecedents?
he condemned atiku's visit because it will directly affect his political party common now you r ascribing way too much moral uprightness to these people,same way chelsea fc was a whim and plaything of abramovich is the same way ac was the whim and plaything of atiku stronbgly deputised by tinubu, the rest is mere fallacious semantics honesstly.

you are right,adedibu an old man held on to power tenaciously giving only his son and political hangers on power,who dared to oppose him when he was alive?
apart from fashola,which of the yoruba governors actually won fair and square?
are these so called young governors the measure of the present crop of younger the yorubas have?be careful in answering that as that could be an indictment on the yorubas,

debosky:
The fact is that we need more young people to come out and make a decent impact. By listing so many young guys also involved in egregious corruption, then the elders' ruling system is NOT the Yorubas problem.

the young are not being given a chance to,thats the problem, one of the most sucessful weapons used in perpetually keeping them down,especially amongst the yorubas is the notion that the elders have the monopoly of wisdom,you must never under any circumstance challenge an elderly person e.t.c
coupled with the fact that,these same old men have suceeded in infiltrating the ranks of student unions and their leadership which would normally be the rallying point and catalyst, well look at it this way,who injected the virus into the system in the first place?the elders

apart from fashola,name one of these governors who was not installed by "the elders", you think they didnt know the quality of governors they imposed on their people?of course they did,but they wanted to give in to the people's yearnings while giving you a younger governor BUT one which they can control and who is bound to fail,its that simple!

debosky:
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Yoruba elders are fighting - yes. It is a good thing because a REAL leader has to come through a struggle to emerge. I don't think I would be happy if they were all happy and dandy given the crap going on in many aspects. People need to challenge themselves (peacefully) so we actually get the best. Again, seeing how many 'young men' are fighting each other as well, this is not an old man's problem. If Fashola, Tinubu and Akande could with their efforts bring someone like Oshiomole into the AC, that is a step in the right direction. We do need fresh blood in our elders groups, but they are not the problem per se.

i want to get this in its clear perspective,are you saying the state of yoruba politics,the in fightings e.t.c is justifiable?please i need a clear and concise answer for this before writing a retort, you are looking at the "young men fighting"from the periphery while totally ignoring the sublime issues going on,who are the individuals fanning the embers of discord in the background??yes you got it,the same old supposedly wise ones,

im a staunch fashola,tinubu supporter, but please lets be real here lol, it was for purely strategic purpose,nothing to do with shared ideals, oshiomole is a labour party man,he needed a stronger platform to win against the superior machinery of pdp and opted for a strategic alliance, the tinubu/atiku funds also helped as well in court cases and the like, what ac wanted was the party prestige of having a governor,so in efffect they both got what they wanted, yorubas dont need fresh blood amongst the elders as you really cant teach an old dog new tricks but making them totally redundant,then start on a new slate,

debosky:
What has Uzor really done? win an election with stolen money via the PPA? What is so unifying about him? I don't see the Igbos as any more united or focused under Kalu. I still maintain he is out for personal interest to become President, not any 'unifying' mission. One eyed man or not, he is NOT the kind of person I would like emerge as a 'leader' of any kind in Yorubaland.

if you havnt seen the guy's effort at unifying the isbo race,ideals e.t.c then you should read up on it, as its gathering momentum by the day,while i cant dispute the fact that its for personal interest,the fact is that it is working,why havent the same being done by the yorubas?i dont want to dwell on just the old men as the young men have a large share as well,which isnt suprising considering the fact that the only young men given any chance at all,are at the behest of the obasanjos,kuyes,late bola iges,olunloyos,akinjide,omisakin,ladoja,adedibu e.t.c

while he is not in the league of an obama,as far as the nigerian polity is presently constituted,he is doing an enviable job,show me any individual doing a better job of unifying a whole tribe in nigeria now?

debosky:
Which younger generation is 'scared'? Is Wale Tinubu of Oando scared? Is Tayo Aderinokun of GTB scared? Does Fashola appear scared?? Young Yoruba guys are out there being entrepreneurs, so I don't buy this excuse of being 'railroaded' by anyone. The key is knowing how to play your politics. There will always be opposition, but as these few examples have shown, you can deliver if you are focused and determined.

are you kidding me,who is wale tinubu apart from being just another multi millionaire entrepreneur looking after big brother's interests?name one thing of note he has done to further yoruba interests,most especially independent of his big brother or ac?

being railroaded,i meant politically, where are the yoruba independent and young political thinkers?forget about ideologies now, but standing for something,no matter what?t least kalu in the midst of his negative antecedents and self interests is standing for something,yes there are some business people, looking out for themselves big deal!
doesnt make a difference to the average man or woman in a village in oyo state or ekiti state does it?
seems you dont get me,the point here is that,when it comes to politics,gerontocracy has so eroded the yoruba socio-political landscape that
1.its either the yorubas controll power or
2.they install a young man /woman of their choice and in their total and unflinching controll,

look at gbenga daniel,he started having multiple problems the day,he stood for political fairness(i.e giving a region that has not produced a governor a chance)never mind that he is totally rioght,the likes of obj didint think so,now he is fighting multiple battles.

akala,is facing the same thing as well,for daring to refuse the demands of the so called oyo elders even though they brought the state to its present condition.

oyinlola is the wise one,he sorts the morally bankrupt and inept and greedy oba ooni of ife out with political patronage,respect and stuffs which has made him blind to any injustice going on,same as all other leaders in his part of yoruba land.

ekiti,ondo?go check them out and you ll be suprised,there isnt enough bandwitch on here to analyse the impact of the old men in these states

debosky:
Our problems are not age related. We need to unite and use our collective endowments to raise ourselves up. In this day and age, We should have more shining lights than just Lagos, we should be maximizing ALL our potentials - our rich and diverse intellectual base, our natural resources and our unique geographical location. Within Nigeria, there is no reason why we should not be pacesetters. So much needs to be done, but are we ready?

and where is the unity coming from when you still have willy and crafty old men scuttling around your respective yoruba states?dont hold your breath on that sir,as long as they are still around.

how will you have more shining lights than lagos,when its your same yoruba leaders that supported illegal pdp led governors, didnt aregbesola win in osun state?same as all the others, the so called state where they have more professors than any where else in nigeria is the most lawless, yet the so called leaders cant do anything about it,go and read the man bishop gbonigi's account of the meeting held to unite yoruba elders in afenifere, the man said it loud and clear than majority of yoruba elders are crass liars and hypocrites, google it if its still nline

ModestSam:
Just so you know, I'm against the CCTV projest as well, as CCTV is meant to complelement the actions of the police force on the ground, not to replace it.

and that is your only reason for being against the cctv initiative??lol lol

nuzo:
Must all Nigerians be subjected to the believes of religious fanatics?
Are all Nigerians binding to the rules in the bible, koran, sango or the nigerian constitution? Which one?

no,but religion if practised the way it should be acts as a moral compass,and also helps differentiate us from barbarians

Kobojunkie:
What does the Bible have to do with this one again? I don't ever know the Bible ever saying that we should not prosecute people who commit crimes and that our forgiveness gets them into Heaven. Is this all so you can claim yet another brownie point or something? @Lucabrasi. You seriously are willing to lie of the bible so you can claim a brownie point on this even when it has been pointed out to you over and over that you are going on and on about what was never said by the same? Come on!! How low will you not go?

lie that we are forbidden to judge others?what dyu mean lie,arnt you taking this a bit personal??
what exactly has been pointed out to me,that its ok to slag a dead man off?and i wasnt going on and on,all i was doing was reply comments specifically directed at me or my comments so what r you on about
[quote author=must_a_far link=topic=224581.msg3411078#msg3411078 date=1233501736]Lucabrasi, ok fine we wont talk ill of the passed governor.

but what do you have to say to his brother being upgraded to deputy governor. is that what the constitution says?[/quote]im sure you will agree with me that they r both two separate issues, its obviously wrong to have done that,as you have pointed out,its not in the constitution , however i imagine it was done to assuage the man's supporters/state indegene,its obvious there ll be a lot of grief in the air and if he was much loved then it is in the interest of security and calming frayed nerves to replace him,with someone mutually acceptable,the deputy governor has the power to impose himself with the support of the state reps but the fact that he didint do that and allowed a mere civil servant to be his boss,a lucrative position at that shows the measure of love and respect they have for the man even at death, wouldn't you agree?especially in a Nigerian political situation where people will kill to ascend the governorship seat.

Kobojunkie:
I understand what you mean @Must_a_far. I noticed that this seems to have been made all about his death,and out of fear, some here have been able to ABSOLVE the man of his sins against his own people while he was alive. lol. I am just against the fear-mongering that continues to paralyze us as a nation. Most all these fears are baseless and need to be condemned!

arnt we ahead of ourselves here?we are yet to see or hear any news of the man's corruption or bad deeds yet you arte here going on about the man's alledged sins against his people.

what sins are these specifically?bearing in mind nobody is perfect.

where are the written evidence,even speculations?even sahara reports is ok?
yet there is fear mongering,you are here making yourself judge,jury and executioner over a man you barely know or his works in his state.

chidichris:
Lucabrassi,
in govt, we say, the voice of the people is the voice of God. the bible said, whatever we bind here on earth is bind there in heaven so i don't know what the qoran says.
if our rulers kill people on daily basis with their wicked policies, if they cause deaths on our roads because of lack of care, if we die daily on hunger because of their selfishness, we will have no option than to celebrate on the day of the death. are u saying ppl will not rejoice over the news of mugabe's'assuming that happens now? were u in nigeria when abacha died? celebration galore.
for anyone who is holding us captive, his death will mean freedom and freedom comes with celebration so no appologies.
it is generally believed and accepted that 99.9999% of nigerian rulers are public enemies so whenever one is off, we celebrate his exit.
if you are their agent, tell them to turn to a new leaf to avoid us celebrating their exit and saying evil things against them.

yes but celebrating someone's death is wrong in itself,1 million times worse if you are celebrating a man's death without any evidence of wrong doing,all i have read on here is that he built 2 hospitals and rather than using them opted to go abroad as if that is a sin,if i mention ibb im sure you have enough to say,same as abacha e.t.c how come 6 pages later we haven't gotten any dirt about the man yet you are saying the voice of the people is the voice of GOD.

which people?are you a citizen of his state?
his people loved him,thats why a serving deputy governor will relinquish his right to the governorship for the man's brother,you think any politician will allow that?especially when the man is dead?

as unlawful as that was,bearing in mind that ordinary local government elections ll cause a riot,have you heard of any riots or dissenting voices since this was done?
what is that telling you about "the voice of the people?
i dont have to be their agent to make an objective stance

modumanga:
Allah ya gafartawa mamman. All muslims and christian are solicited to forgive mamman for all his misdeeds while alive. This would facilitate his enterance to the highest of Paradise.
Please brothers forgive mamman.

i hear you sir you have spoken sensibly,its even in the bible that judge not lest thou be judged,
@nuzo
good for you!!however im not trying to make anyone come round to my way of thinking but highlighting something that isnt right
@ARMCHAIR CRITICS
why dont you lead the fight to yobe,after all you are nigerians and yobe is part of nigeria and we will all follow you istead of cyber revolution from billions of kilometres away!

toba1909:
Fashola is the man!

Eko oni baje!

i hear you sir,he has always been and will always be, the man is just starting

lysaa:
I'm not a politician but pls o, since when does the health of a president decide the health of a nation?

since when it has created a vacum in governance, example,taking breaks leaving others in charge the constitutional amendment is in limbo because the senate and reps are at war,where is the president to settle it and come to a consensus,i could go on

cre8tivity:
it is simple: it is extremely painful for some people to deeply think. it is easy to say rubbish, but dealing with rubbish is a different story. we do not personally know this man, therefore it is stupid or senseless to speculate on what he's currently going through, mentally, politically and physically.
please, let us be sensible and a little bit of maturity wouldn't hurt anything either.

nobody is stupid or senseless lady,the presidency came out with the state of the president's health late last year,also the result of investigative journalism,we know what he is going through mentally and politically with what he has done since he came to office, its there to see and judge,we know how long it took him to re shuffle his cabinet,the nation is at a virtual standstill and we know he has negated a lot of obasanjo's laudable achievements e.g paying off the paris debt i could go on and on if you want

youngies:
Fair write up, with loads of assumptions and no concrete facts

im sure you saw the first line where i admitted i have only rudimentary knowledge of pre independence politics in naija,however why not state the assumptions so that i can address them?

is the assumption that there wernt trust issues as to who the south west was supporting during the biafra war?

or that the north's groundnut pyramids,diary and meats,and other agricultural products fed majority of nigeria even till now?

or that they north are not in power with the coniviance of both the south east and south west,middle east politicians,technocrats and political jobbers?

was m.k.o abiola not betrayed by people close to him and nigerians from other tribes who urged ibb not to allow him?

or that other tribes are not guilty of segregation and negative stereotyping of the north?

please where is the assumptions??

btw i hope you realise that my comments are just that, comments not a literary piece or journal article, there s a massive difference

[quote author=B.O.S.S. link=topic=224581.msg3400383#msg3400383 date=1233240917]Because of the length of your post most times, I’ll compare you to an Ababio – is that sorted?[/quote]i see,i guess many of us on here are ababios then,right?
[quote author=B.O.S.S. link=topic=224581.msg3400383#msg3400383 date=1233240917]Now, I’ve got to admit that you’re at it again though you still have a point but I’ve got to say damn boy, must you always twist everything in order to support these goons; but I’ve still got to give it to you though as you have a vey good point there, it just doesn’t suit this argument and doesn't partain to Nigerian leaders.[/quote]im not twisting anything,im simply saying selfishness is inherent in every single human being, that fact is documented and if you go through most political thinkers that shaped the politics and way of life we are now, most of them admitted this,its not like some vices that only some have that others dont like stealing,dominieering e.t.c if you were in same situation,are you honestly saying you will rather opt to stay in the hospital to prove a point? a nigerian leader is only the custodian of an office,if we fall sick, we are all ordinary mere mortals, if you have been to an hospital before like i have in this country,the rich and poor ,black and white all wear the same thing laying on the bed,
abeg just forget that example,i came down with malaria after my last trip to naija when i got here and when i became delirious,throwing up and feeling aches and pains all over i would have given anything and everything i had just for the pain to stop,go and check what leukemia and chronic diabetes patients go through, i have witnessed similar thing the man died from an asian mentor of mine in manchester and before he died i know what he went through.
[quote author=must_a_far link=topic=224581.msg3400448#msg3400448 date=1233241527]kinked, yes because one minute u r on a straight line (i dey always gbadun those ur straight line arguments) next minute you put more than a kink to it and it becomes something else.

i wasnt critiquing him for building twice hospitals. the people of his state dey gbadun am as u had pitched in somewhat. but if the hospital was not good enough to cater for his checkup. then im sorry na consulting room the twice hospitals be. prove me wrong and say he was referred to the hospital in florida by a doctor from his ultra modern consulting room. and i'll eat me words with some hot sauce topping.[/quote]ok,i hope you agree with me that building a standard hospital is one thing,and taking care of specific ailments is another?some ailments are more serious than others,if you read the article about the progression of the illness,the writwer said the man suddenly took a turn for the worse and was begging to be flown to the united kingdom, didnt the united states have "ultra modern world class hospitals" you see what im getting at?
poverty and any other condition is negotiable,but a man's health isnt,hence the saying i know you would have heard countless times"health is WEALTH"

ferdiii:
Many folks in Yobe State are walking corpses as a results of this confiremed dead man misdeed and misdeed of other politicians in Nigeria. Why are Nigerians always patriotic and sympathetic in the wrong way??

mere baseless assertions to play to the gallery or facts you can prove?have you been there before or know anyone from there??