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[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=236077.msg3489276#msg3489276 date=1235062977]Monarchy!!!

We(Africans) are genetically programmed that way.
One man, many wives and his absolute power.
Look at Africa for the past half a century and you will be convinced Nigerians are not the only set of people in Africa who hang on to power.[/quote]im african and i sure as hell r not programmed that way,safer to speak for yourself, every single african country that has held on to power s had the active connivance of some western country in the background,

@debosky thats why i absolutely detest reasoning with people on here,why dont you look at issues on its own merits rather than going off on a tangent??

is tribalism in nollywood or not??

if globacom decided that 500million was to be given to 10 artistes who represent a lot of their customers but not all, secondly from a particular ethnicity,that is highlighting the issue of tribalism inherent in nollywood.

so does maximum publicity involve only english speaking,young men and women,and viewers who the artistes appeal to?oh i guess they r the only ones who use glo products,the market woman who doesnt understand english doesnt?

the men and women who only watch yoruba movies dont use glo?
the hausa man/woman who doesnt understand a word of english and views their hausa wood or whaever dont use glo?
so i guess once a particular set of demographics have been taken into consideration,the rest should be ignored?that is not sound marketing.

maybe according to you,they should just cater to a particular demographics and the rest of their customers can go jump in a lake untill,globacom marketers are reader to roll out sunny ade,dan maraya jos and pasuma

when glo sponsored sunny ade,was he the only one?same goes for sammie okposo e.t.c
even though im not in nigeria im cock sure everybody was adequately represented
when they sponsored d banj,was he the only nigerian hip hop artiste sponsored,most important from other ethnicities?

what has caf/lagos to do with tribalism??everyone knows lagos is a cosmopolitan city so what r you on about

hmmn ,i see you are even proffering reasons that globacom spokes persons have not even come up with ,how hillarious, ill like to point out a little puncture in yur flawed thesis,why did they include the jenifa girl then,isnt she yoruba?see how absurd your thesis sounds

my tribal glasses for once,where exactly have we ever had a debate on tribalism where i was supporting a tribe before??dude,r you sure you v got the right person or you r mixing me up with someone else?

spikedcylinder:
Its alarming the way people raise tribal issues where there are none. Scary to think about seeing as I have to deal with such people everyday.

whoever you are,i hope you wernt reffering to me because i sure as hell dont know who you are, neither are you anything but a set of username to me so i dont know who you r reffering to as being scary,if you dont like people's comments,its easier to pass by or make your comments while ignoring theirs especially if they didnt reffer to you!!

JustGood:
You have mentioned some things that they have in their societies upon which their  democracies are built which we dont have. Why should we then try to build the same type of democracies when we obviously lack those ingredients within us?

exactly,the point here is that its not enough to say the system cant work in africa based on some corrupt cabal rulling us,what dont we have exactly?
we dont have honest and credible people who have the brains and brawns to rule us?

ill ask you what your alternatives are if you dont subscribe to democracy, as far as im concerned,the western world do not have a monopoly on credible leaders,but the various bobby traps they have set for us including our own individual and collective faults i might hasten to add is the cause of failure in african leadership

Lagosboy:
Ask yourself this question. since 1999 or even 1979 which president has Nigerians truly elected?

How many governors running govts of the people? at present it is only maybe Lagos,Kano,Bauchi and now Edo we can say have the governors they voted.

So how is this democracy favouring us. Curruption has to vanish before democracy can work for us.

im asking myself like you suggested,and the only thing flashing in my head is the fact that,we 100 and something million nigerians both home and abroad have allowed the status quo to be over the years,something is  terribly wrong with the inhabitants of a country that allows less than 10% to run roughshod over them and rape them and their economy, we in the diaspora are guilty even though many like to talk the talk and the nigerians living in nigeria have a lot of fault as well.

as for corruption,can you honestly say you have not participated in any corrupt exchange in nigeria?either giving or receiving,
so have i and 99.9% of every nigerian,even worse for these abroad who will willingly obey the law in their various diasporas and then get to nigeria and change over night,point of my rambling is that eradication of corruption which you advance as the main problem has to start with us

JustGood:
Some really sensible comments by Moonstone and Lagosboy.

We want to practice their styles when we dont have the kind of things they have to sustain what they practice. We want to start running with weak legs!

A lot of people who always advocate that everything has to be done the western way never think about the fact that there are so many western things/ways that will just not suit us. They may suit us later if some things are in place or if they change.

We are killing ourselves by just wanting to do everything exactly the way things are done in Western nations rather than take our peculiar circumstances into consideration.

what exactly are the "western things"that wont suit us?
a government for the people and by the people wont suit us?what is your alternative, and what things do they have that we dont apart from commitment to good governnance,conscience both leading to good leadership?
maybe you need to look at their histories to know they all weathered through the strom we r going through as well

[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=232845.msg3484438#msg3484438 date=1234975514]Yes, tribalism can still be involved but it makes no sense to claim that a company owned by a yorobaman is tribalistic against his own people. Can you tell me how Yorubas got the short end of the deal in Obasanjo's govt?[/quote]lets start with destroying afenifere,non development of social infrastructures?ill give you more if you want but these two are quite exhaustive and extensive,
and ill repeat again that,the fact that a yoruba man owns a company doesnt mean it cant be seen to habour tribalism in particular actions /inactions

[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=232845.msg3484438#msg3484438 date=1234975514]You think the organizers didn't look at the demographics before investing their money?. Either way you look at it, yorubawood is popular only among the yorubas and that means the audience they capture is limited . Nollywood cuts across lines, igbos, Yorubas, Edos, Ibibios, Ijaws, Efiks, Itsekiri's etc. Common sense should tell you that and if you are investing that much money, invest it on the latter besides, they were chosen as ambassadors because GLo is diversifying to other African countries. Which Yorubawood star is popular across the shores of Yorubaland like these Nollywood stars?. I'd prefer they choose at least 2 from each though.
Not true, they are not as popular as the younger ones. You need to understand the effect of sex appeal in pictures. Why is Van Vicker the most popular actor in African movies now when he is hardly a good actor?. Women set the pace in male stardom, it's their choice that matters because they are the ones that watch these movies most of the time. If most women hate an actor, no matter how good he is, he ain't going nowhere because your sales will drop.[/quote]organisers do but as well all know, judging by the state of all the "woods" they dont do a good job of anything,neither do they get their priorities right,they(meaning the glo execs in charge of marketing)have not taken all the demographics of their customer bases into consideration, which is a failure in my book,first of all,im not comparing all the woods as you are itching to do,all i am saying is that if ordinary 100 yoruba viewers are glo customers,they should be adequately represented or are you saying only 10% of nigerians watch yoruba movies?bearing in mind the hausas with a majority who are illiterate watch their own hausa wood rather than igbowood movies.

so where is the proportional representation in that?

now before i address the other part of your coment,what is nollywood?cause i certainly am not taking your own definition of it as i know better by my knowledge of history,nollywood by all definitions means the nigerian movie industry and practitioners,of all languages, first of all like i said in my other comments, there are more yoruba theatre and movie practitioners than either hausas or ibos,the likes of the late herbert ogunde who was known as far as hollywood from way back in the 1950s and 1960s and was working on a hollywood partnership production before his death is yoruba, hard to belief?

go and google "mr johnson and ogunde" baba sala is another yoruba artise,ade love all these people started in the 1960s.1970s and have a more loyal followership that artistes who started less than 20 years ago,so why are they not represented?its simple logic that if i have people supporting me for 30 years and you have people supporting you for 10 years,mine will be more loyal,why do you think the likes of clint eastwood,morgan freeman e.t.c all command enormous power in hollywood?

i didnt see the part where it said their branching into other parts of africa is the reason for the selection,ill appreciate it if you show me tho,lets even assume that you are right,i hope you realise that hausa is spoken outside nigeria including ghana,niger up to mali ?
yoruba as a language and culture is spoken in more countries not just in africa but round the whole wide world than any nigerian or african language ,go and do a bit of online research and you ll see this is true, so where is the logic from that these ppl will propagate the message better?

i totally agree with you on the sex appeal,but i hope you realise that the fact that young girls like van vicker or any of these gys doesnt mean millions of yoruba men/women in south east london,lagos,and the south west e.t.c dont feel left out,especially the ones who are glo customers,where is the connection if you r showing an illiterate yoruba woman selling lace in lagos island or a mama sikira van vicker or nonso diobi?
who will a carpenter in agege or a peper soup seller in ketu rather identify with?rmd and rita dominic or baba suwe and mama suwe?
women might constitute the bulk of the buyers but you are making an unsound sociological assertion by not looking at the whole picture, that is why i said the marketers dont know their left from their right,the first thing they should have done is look at their customers and the nigerians who their potential target is,then they will make sure they proportionally represent every single facet of the society,even the thugs in oshodi,why do you think glo and others use pasuma,obesere e.t.c

[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=232845.msg3484438#msg3484438 date=1234975514]Luca, I know this movie business may befuddle you but we get our stats from sales. It's the market forces that determines the pace in Nollywood.[/quote]trust me and im solemly declaring here that,i will do a hell of a better job than the glo marketers,i will even agree not to be paid if i dont meet the set out target,cause im that sure,i dont agree with you,where is any credible statistics in nigeria?
so lets assume from alaba you ship 5 million movies to lagos island,another 3 million to iweka road e.t.c how will you know an adequate and reliable number of males to female ratio?
how will you know which of the fat lagos island woman selling lace has sent her daughter,housemaid,worker who might be ibo or hausa to buy the movies?
how will you know if the ibo businessman/woman is sending his yoruba or hausa driver to buy movies? ypu see how problematic and inpactical your seertion is?so educate me on how they get the statistics lol

bawomolo:
his regime was resisted for trampling on freedom of the press and freedom of speech. you can't bully people to change. Such an idea didn't work during the Chinese cultural revolution.

well he needed to take these actions to wean us out of the collective quagmire we v found ourselves, have you ever seen an heroine addict detoxing?
they r shivering and feeling pains all over, called withdrawal sympthoms,that is what idiagbon s regime was going through,we dont want to pass throught the bitter but we want to be like the western world,china e.t.c

and who says china is not heavily state controlled till now?the government controlles every single facet of life there even banks/financial institution,go and google the latest on the bank of china/rothschild of france merger and what is delaying it,the fact that china is still a sucess story not just because of state intervention but communism which we never had any intention of practising is enough reason to negate these concerns you have raised

deor03:
There is absolutely no BIG deal about this. It happens everywhere. Do you expect NIPOST people to know everywhere in the world?

I remember asking a BUS driver in the UK about a route, guess what he told me, He said i could check on the internet for information and that he doesn't know ?

dont mind them,nigerians always want to model themselves after westerners im sure some of our people even in the western world dont believe its possible for a white man/woman to be illiterate,talk about the residue of colonial assimilation

Jakumo:
Let me be the first to declare this latest hit-and-run Executive Convoy victim as a National Hero, who bravely sacrificed his life to ensure that the Governor's Wife did not miss her appointment with the hairdressers.

The family of the victim can at least take solace in the knowledge that their loved one was run over by a stylish-looking brand new airconditioned SUV, and by not some rusted-out smoky bone-shaker taxi cab, which could easily have been the case were it not for the royal status of the vehicle owner.

im still trying to see the funny side you r projecting of a dead child and the grief his family must be in at this moment

@poster
sorry but im still struggling to see the hillarious side to this,if you posted this prompted by a genuine concern for the state of the nigerian postal service then i share your concern,but doing a papy luwe with it,im speechless,
one thing you shouldnt fail to forget is that,these people have not heard of training talk less of work shop,the money for that would have ended up in the pockets of some official,they are poorly paid hence no incentive to go out of their way to learn where malta is ,let me ask you how many american citizens know that africa is a continent?
how many postal officials in america or even uk can say where malta is off head without consulting their computers or google?
how many customers will come posting a package to malta of all places?its like asking me where leichenstein is exactly in europe or randomly asking a postal official here and u ll be suprised they ll be looking at you blankly

Nnenna1:
I don't think you understood my question.

The corruption bit is kind of where I'm driving at. Every government form has some corruption. However, conflict (be it tribal or other) will always be fodder for disorder, and in chaos, more opportunities will rise for those who have ulterior motives, thus making for corruption of the most insiduous kind.

Given our tribal-conflict tendencies, the real question is if a centralized, one-person ruler type democratic government has proven to be better for Nigeria or all of the conflict prone countries. If not, how can we change our ruling style to fit our political awareness better?

going by your expanding the scope,i think firstly true patriotism from the average nigerian to the richest nigerians, will inspire love for one's country and being able to fight any individual or group of people who are bent on destroying the country,patriotism is the reason why indigenes of a country will rather go back to their country of origin for less pay than they r getting,or doing more in terms of social infrastructures,being social reformers/activists,politicians e.t.c this is something most nigerians do not have both home and abroad.

also,when there is no true patriotism,thats when tribal afiliations rear its head and people gravitate towards their own,china has more than one ethnic groups but being a patriotic chinese is the average chinese's first priority amongst many other nations.

lastly,i still re iterate that democracy in its true and unsullied form is still the best form of governance,but ill add that nigeria being the way it is with the tribes and religions e.t.c should have true federalism and divest the powers concentrated in the centre while still retaining the titular head of government,if you care to look through the ages since independence,having the right systems,laws e.t.c has never been our problem but implementation,when tunde idiagbon came along nigerians said he was too rigid,his regime encouraged the local rice,cassava bread making,war against indiscipline,local groundnut oil e.t.c but nigerians resisted him, fashola too is another example of taking hard decisions that ll benefit all in the long run,but being criticised for it.

[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=232845.msg3480246#msg3480246 date=1234900671]So, GLO that splashed the millions is an igbo owned company since they chose just one Yoruba actress?


They cannot give producers that amount of money because they have to get something in return for their money. They need to advertise their products and you don't advertise a product with a movie producer or soccer coach or the boxers trainers, you do it with the stars themselves because they are more popular than the people that produce or train them. How many Nigerians will recognize Tunde kelani or Izu Ojukwu if they see their pictures?[/quote]and ill photocopy the rhetorical question back to you,does the fact that it is owned by a yoruba man mean that tribalism isnt involved?was the former president obj not a yorubaman and didntthey get a worse deal from him collectively than even abacha?

good producers make awesome movies that ll be shown to millions and tens of millions,glo will feature their adverts and colours both outside the jacket and inside the movie itself,and in addittion the same artiste will still feature in the movies and for a little bit extra will do an aside advert for glo so what are we on about here?

and lets even assume that they have to give 10 artistes 500million,shouldnt the ten represent all the fan base in nigeria?
some people like the agege,lagos island market men and women,dont watch igbowood movies but yorubawood, same as the hausas so should the demographics start artistes be completely ignored?considering these market women and co are glo customers.
one thing we shouldnt forget as well is that older artistes like the pete edochies,olu jacobs,jide kosoko,papy luwe e.t.c have more loyal fans who have been with them before most of these upstarts were even born.

if appealing to glo subscribers and promoting the arts was the objective of the money,i promise you that they wont get good value for money,and even if they got any value they wouldnt have achieved the full potential of what the money could have done, a result of marketers and branding execs who dont know their left from their right

there is no basis for comparison yet simply because all these examples are not practising an uncorrupted form of democracy, a corrupted form of democracy heavily tinged with a healthy dose of lneo liberalism isnt and cant be likened to democracy as it is worse than even communism in my opinion, a pure democracy is the only viable option for africa even though this sounds utopian,it is possible to achieve something close

@post
you need to seriously edit your post into manageable paragraphs,just looking at it is daunting talk less of subjecting one's eyes to the visual torture,i only managed to read halfway before giving up,however from what i have read halfway and gleaned frim the other half,you seem to be contradicting yourself,on one hand you want yar adua to be given the benefit of doubt and on the other hand you are highlighting the ills and failures on the part of the same executives that yar adua is the head of, i think its safe to say all nigerians know all this as they r moot points,safe,credible and pro active solutions should be the issue in my opinion,by the way pls translate wat yan kistan means for the benefit of those of us who are not multi lingual

i think he is just using the rabble rousing tactics to negotiate a better role for himself and his supporters,its clearly written in the constitution that you are barred from contesting if you have been impeached once before

@post
ojukwu is not that relevant in the day to day politics and is disconnected from daily events and intrigues.

uwazuruike has the talk but he doesnt command as much respect or financial clout,influence amongst the power brokers

so its got to be orji uzor kalu

thatnk GOD the judiciary in that state's tribunial were alive to their responsibilities,hopefully because thats all that one can cling to now,the authentic candidaTE WILL WIN THIS TIME, i see oni having a few problems including fayose to contend with and the opposition

OsunAmazon:
I think the money is the total amount needed to finance the project. There is no way GLo will give those riffraffs 50M each. For what?. Why not give it to Lagos primary schools or hospital board or some orphanage. This is a case of misplaced priority.

Again, why is it only 1 Yoruba movie star in the group?. I smell tribalism.

thank you very much,nuff said!!and we complain there is no tribalism in nollywood, even if they wanted to invest 500million in the nollywood industry,why not on producers of note like amaka igwe,tunde kelani and veteran artistes like pete edochie,olu jacobs,jide kosoko e.t.c

9jaganja:
Africans need to unite on their own not with the Arabs.

I'm sure religion is gone be the governing body in the end cause Arabs run their nations based on their religious views. For example, they don't let women drive in their country (don't know if that has changed). African cultures don't put women in the position Islam puts them. Women can be anything men can be in African cultures. Arabs are androcentric and believe in limiting female power. Sure African men marry more wives but not because of religious views or because of disregard for women. I'm not trying to turn this into a woman forum but I'm saying the way we threat our women are different and that's only an example. We are entirely different in everything from the Arabs. Like DR Henrick Clarke said before he died, that Gaddafi has a plan a very good one for Africans but his intentions are not good at all and might force Africans back into slavery.

you seem to be forgetting that contrary to the popular perception,its not about ghadaffi,the reason he is being seen as a larger than life image is because we dont have an assertive president,which is one of the very few things obasanjo was good at.

geographically it is not possible to collate the whole of africa under one rule even if hypotethically speaking everyone unquestionably accepts ghadaffi.
culturally it is not possible to account for the different cultural considerations,for instance gerontocracy in nigeria is a big thing,same sex relationships e.t.c compare it to other parts of africa where they are liberal about these things,

in financial economiocs it is not possible,we are rich,libya is rich then angola and others,you really think any of the other oil producing nations who are prepared to commit more than the smaller nations will willingly allow ghadaffi to run rough shod over them?
take someone like mugabe,you think he ll be content for ghadaffi to dictate to him?
why should we be scared of ghadaffi or the arabs?they should be scared of nigeria/west africans not thew other way round,we go to their countries and make a head way,they dont come here,we are more exposed,enlightened,we have more in human resources,skills e.t.c

9jaganja:
I'm sure religion is gone be the governing body in the end cause Arabs run their nations based on their religious views. It's based on military capacity cause Nigerian military alone is stronger than that of north Africa. That one military stuff is bullshit. Let Africans roam about Africa freely with African passport, let them have a free trade, and leave the military alone. That way, time will tell if we'll consider ourselves US OF Africa or not.

now i agree with this,personally i think the millitary should be left well alone to the various nations, the most important priority at this stage is the economy and trade in general

9jaganja:
I think someone already replied you well on your first paragraph. As to African culture creating a patriarchal system, bull shit!!!!! African cultures were not androcentric they treat women as men's equal if not more. Women used to rule in Africa. Matriarchy was a dominant aspect of our cultures. Infact majority of the part of our cultures were dictated by respect for women. To make it clearer that women ruled, I'm sure you've heard of queen Amina, I'm also sure you've heard of the wall of Bilikisu Sumgbo(Queen of Sheba) which rivals Egyptian pyramids in Ijebu land. Many many matriarchs in the past. We've been trading with Arabs for a long time so you really can't say what happened to that culture. In Ijaw language, Tamuno means God a (he) but in Ijaw's mythology, Tamuno means a  creatress(she). And everyone has a Tamuno that is, my Tamuno, my mother.

while there might well have been a lot of great women,compare the ratio to the men we know,how many african woman can decide to marry 4 men and live a normal life?
have you been to the villages and observe the mindset,traditions of villagers passed down from generations, ill re iterate again that while these women you have mentioned are the very few exceptions,that is and never was the norm,even up untill this very day, its very easy to blame religion but this was wayy before we came in contact with the whites who brought christianity or the arabs who brought islam,so you ant lay this on their doorstep,i will agree with you if you said religion did nothing to dissuade ro eradicate the notion but they didnt start it

debosky:
This is HIGHLY flawed analysis. From someone who has actually LIVED in Zamfara, I have a bit of insight into this matter.

Zamfara is a HIGHLY homogenous state - 90-95% Hausa-Fulani and Muslim. The fact is,whenever you have such an over-arching majority, you are less likely to see religious strife and battles. MAJORITY of the people support Shari'a and live by it, so there is no issue there. MORE IMPORTANTLY, they are not THREATENED by the miniscule Christian community, hence no reason to fight. There is no chance of the Christians dominating them or taking away their Islam so there is therefore no reason to fight.

that wasnt the point,what im trying to say is that sharia has never been a threat to the minorities living there who are christians or foreigners,like you have clearly highlighted,an overwhelming majority practise islam/sharia side by side with the minuscule number of christians and they dont get their churches burnt or anything,juxtaposing that with the larger picture united state of africa i dont see religion being a deciding factor or a big issue on any important issue, which is the point i was trying to make, thanks for the correction tho,much appreciated

debosky:
Compare this to Kaduna with a nearly 50-50 split between Christians and Muslims. There is DEFINITELY more chance of one group dominating the other and imposing it's religious beliefs on the other, hence the multiple battles. Violence will not be encountered in the largely homogenous Northern States, but will be centered on places with Jos, Kaduna and the like due to the clashes between similar sized groups.

going by this analysis,do you honestly think there will be religious conflicts if there was a united state of africa?bearing in mind the participants are not states under a federal system but nations with their own presidents or head of states,who have their own power and influence.

debosky:
Religion IS the problem in areas without a clearly dominant group, that is why Nassarawa is relatively peaceful now, since it is Muslim dominated, no longer part of the former Plateau State with near 50-50 split with Christians.

It's fairly accurate to explain away the skirmishes as 'tribal' and 'politics', but there is definitely a STRONG Religious component in place as well.

like i have said above,i hardly think one can compare states in a federation to nations in africa, nations have more reasons to arrive at a consensus in the event of any conflict because they have a whole lot to lose.
it will be an utopian dream for any single dominant leader to emerge from the united africa union simply due to the heterogeneous culture,government,language,international alleigance,geography e.t.c that exists,not even ghadaffi,and certainly not for religious differences when they have to consider international trade,natural resources e.t.c.

and while i agree with you on how strong the influence of religion is in a country such as nigeria and the dynamics as you have stated them,religion will not upset the apple cart as it where in a united nations of africa, do you honestly see ghadaffi ordering nigeria about or liberia/sierra leone,carribean? you seem to be looking at the african nations union in the context of states in nigeria.

, the worst that ll happen is the france/united kingdom,russia situation, both having divergent views and equal veto power with the rest of africa lining up behind their nation of support

naijaking1:
Good point. Luca was almost sounding as if sharia has brought unprecedented harmony to Nigeria

no not at all,i only used nigeria as an example,what im on about is the fact that religion will not be a deciding factor on what actions algeria or morrocco or ghana will take if the union suceeds, a cursory look at world politics will convince you of that

9jaganja:
@ Lucrabasi
I'm not a Christian and don't feel threatened by any Muslim no matter how stupid he is. Don't tell me you haven't heard of Sharia law in Nigeria and how they planned to make it a Nigerian law by constitution before Obasanjo shot it down (one of the good things he did).

We need to sort out our religious differences by eradicating religion entirely and focusing on humanity. Even Yoruba Muslims will fight Yoruba christians over religious differences. We need to put Women in their rightful position which is the position of power cause only the nature of women can handle power with humanity, men can't. That been said the crusade against women which they call Islam and Christianity must end before we even think of uniting Africa. We can't unite Africa with the Arabs and Islam being their religion. They have it in the Quran that a man can beat his wife . Women are the pillars of creation but men's lust for power can't let that be.

As for the question of whether African Muslims will see them selves Africans first, dreaming!! They see themselves as Muslims first then Africans second and will destroy anything for the sake of Islam. The Christians are the same too. MOFOS!! I hate religion cause it destroys culture totally!!!!

sharia law implementation was never a threat in nigeria,look at zamfara,in spite of thebid deal made of it,has there been religious skirmishes there?or be headngs oc corpers?
how come the skirmishes are only happening in states where they dont have sharia likejos,kaduna?the point im trying to make is that sharia isnt and has never been the problem,if you really think religion is the problem then you have not had an indepht appraisal of the nigerian situatin,it is politics and tribalism nothing else, the rest including the religious skirmishes are just smokescreens.

as for the position of women,remember that is more of a cultural/tradition with africans in general,befoe the advent of islam and christianity,men married 20/30 40 wives,and you will even get people telling you it is part of the african tradition for the woman to be subservient to the man and having as many wives as possible, our tradition brough about and fostered a patriachial system in africa not religion.

ask yourself this question,which came first culture/tradition or religion?then u will start to know which propagated and advanced the subservience of women,as for women being the pillars that means you are advocating for women being the leaders over men which is contradicting yourself really,shouldnt equality of sexes be the objective reason patten?

how many religious riots/fights has happened in africa generally?
if you care to find out,you will realise that africa generally has had much more of political tribal/ethnic upheavals than religious,most religious upheavals are at best isolated and far between,why dyu think islamic fundamentalists have not been able to penetrate into africa generally apart from north africa?

9jaganja:
It's a fact that the Arabs in the Northern part of Africa will try to impose themselves on the rest of Africa. So please spare me your stupidity and try to think. I'm stating that if Africans are going to unite, it shouldn't be with people who are also pushing for PAN Arabism. Where will their loyalty be?

common now,is that enough reason?we have an overwhelming number of muslims in nigeria and they have dominated leadership,our currency e.t.c has that suppressed christians ?
besides geographically and culturally amongst other considerations,it wouldnt be possible to be totally merged the most important single issue is having a clear and united voice when dealing with the west

traditionally africand dont subscribe to it
religiously whcih is universal,the bible quran that i know of frown on it firstly as a mere mortal who doesnt have the power to create let alone criticise judge a mortal as him/herself.

morally,it doesnt make any sense judging an individual who is dead and cant defend him/herself, its like threatening an individual in a remote village threatening george bush who he has no chance of meeting

@poster
of course they are yoruba,and the reason why they claim they are not is the same reason every other tribe are trying to carve out their individual identies, sense of identity and independence, calling themselves yoruba will project a notion of subservience to yoruba culture at the expense of theirs

[quote author=must_a_far link=topic=233795.msg3466283#msg3466283 date=1234543329]ati be be lo.[/quote]translation please,for the benefit of the rest of us
@poster
guess you were lucky,however being extra conscious of sensitive details including bank correspondents and transactions cuts across the whole wide world

Kobojunkie:
WOW !!! All this cause of simple questions asked? WOW!! lol

sorry no vex o,hope u wernt reffering to me,cause i was making a general comment,
@post
exodus,movement of nigerians,very soon recession will lead to the exodus of people in my village affected by the financial meltdown, lol

Kobojunkie:
Now what in the world are you going on about? What the frell are you now TWISTING my words to mean? JEEZZZ!!

HUH? Are you sure you are responding to the right thread here? What in the world are you rambling about now?

guess i should have known better,like most ppl have come to learn thereby steering clear, SORRY,YOU ARE TOTALLY RIGHT,HE SHOULD BE LEFT TO DIE WITHOUT OBSERVING HIS FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHTS LOL LOL ON THIS NOTE I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU,DONT BOTHER REPLYING AS THIS IS MY LAST SAY.

@bawomolo
for one it will allow africans to be able to harness the powers it has in negotiating a better deal for themselves,look at the agricultural rebate thing,if we all rejected it including the neo liberal imf,wto and co that are designed to keep us in perpetual slavery then we will be better off for it.

second we have oil,coca,diamonds,cofee e.t.c they need us more than we need them,the only thing they have better than us is superior technology mostly warfare and nuclear and a better government,copled with the fact that while their so called advanced world is being decimated by environmental polution,we still have unspoiled and natural atmosphere,rainforest e.t.c
therefore if we all came together as one and used our collective powers i.e what is written above,we will e in a better stance to negotiate(sort of in the original fascist ideology of being more powerful as a bunch)

the only concerns which i see there is ghadaffi trying to foist his ideals on the rest of africa including being a dictator,well he cant do that if there are adequate checks and balances,so he either agrees with the multitude or piss off to a corner and sulk, irrespective of his sinister motives,all he has done is espouce his own ideals which is open to negotiation,consencus or outright rejection,he knows and the rest of theleader knows this as well

Kobojunkie:
Yes!

hmmn,now i see the mindset you are approaching this with,lets hope the rest of the authentic and criminal minded millitants all die of kidney relatewd desease then while we wait twiddling our thumbs,after all the soldiers have not been sucessful thus far

Kobojunkie:
What are you talking about?

im talking about worsening the situation,including millitary intervention and occupation e.t.c encompassing your "just thing to happen" concept has never worked anywhere in the world

Kobojunkie:
Nevermind that he has so far contributed to the hell by organizing this millitant group? If he dies there, it is only the just thing to happen in my opinion.

yes and by dieing if that aggravates the whole situation,you r still ok with it right?is the "just thing" dialogue and general consensus or letting him die and then clamping down which has not worked so far and never worked anywhere in the world??

[quote author=must_a_far link=topic=232895.msg3460643#msg3460643 date=1234450612]he is taking soft drugs, cos i dint think hard drugs would make him want the Caribbean to join in.

i would want to know why he would want the Caribbean to join in. honestly.[/quote]why wont the carribean want to join in?whats so special with them apart from patronage from white tourists who treat them virtually like slaves? besides they will gain more economically and more relevance in the world stage if they join and they will be taken more serious rather than the stereotype of the smiling black steward who is always ready and willing to make his master happy.
@post
i think the man has very good and grand ideals "IN PRINCIPLE"what i am worried about is his own personal agenda,cause it seems to me that he is only trying to use the united states of africa as a weapon to get back at his arch enemy who he has had to go crawling back to beg america, however if adequate checks and balances could be put in place including seperation of powers then it could work, i dont see the union being like the united states, maybe symbolic and taking joint decisions when it comes to addressing global issue more like,trade co operations e.t.c

debosky:
Hehehe - OP said people are flocking to dubai (with a link titled shopping mania). What does that have to do with flocking to naija due to recession? Abi flocking means relocating? Abeg Tpia please help me o, maybe I nor sabi English.

i tire o,i wont say anything but thank GOD im not the only one who witnessed this , when i say some people are clueless and out of touch with nigeria and the only view they have is negative,ppl ll disagree with me , nigerian exodus to dubai as a result of naija recession

irrespective of what majority of nigerians think,the sad fact is that he may well be the ruling cabal's choice for president,when one looks at the quality of past civillian presidents in nigeria,they havent been contrary to the same or similar moral mould as the man